>>84884699
You're telling me the Iron age philosophy doesn't meet modern moral standards?
Shocking

>>84884699
>I get my knowledge of religion from reddit memes

>>84884699
God doesn't need your worship.
People not knowing God makes it clear why he doesn't allow them in his kingdom
They are in the outer darkness where there is wailing and gnashing of teeth..
The people born after Christ had a chance to know him which grew larger every year. The people born before Christ who embodied virtue were freed by Christ in a jail break. The harrowing of hell

>>84884699
Hell isnt fire, hell is simply isolation from god, which you chose

God gave us His son but the basedjaks at the time didn't believe so he's now giving us the silent treatment. All the miracles stopped abruptly after His grand reveal.

"Eternal torment in hellfire" is the most serious corruption of Christianity and displays a flawed understanding of God. There's more evidence in the Bible for conditional immortality and universalism than eternal conscious torment (ECT).

>>84884901
Just a way for redditor fags and troons and their enablers to cope by imagining back doors for themselves just in case. I wouldn't be surprised if modern-day scholar schizos also started seeing references to AI technology in the Bible all of a sudden.

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>>84884699
What modern people think of Hell comes from the 13th century poem The Divine Comedy. Most of the ideas of Hell in The Divine Comedy came from the Greek Hades and Tartarus.

The actual bible mentions a fire lake twice I think, and it calls it Golgotha (the name of Jerusalem's landfill) and does not further elaborate on it. It has been, however, a great tool for scaring people into obedience for a few thousand years.

God cannot be all loving and all just if being a sinner means desrving hell and loving one means not wanting them to go to hell.
Either God has conflicting desires (both wants to send sinners to hell and to save them) in which case he isn't perfectly simple or justice is something outside of him which he can oppose, meaning he isn't the source of justice.

>>84884699
Good thing god isn't real, and Islam/Judaism/Christianity is all retarded fairy tale shit written by ignorant goat-fuckers to keep each-other in line, millennia ago.

Anyone who believes there was a world-wide flood and god had a man make a big 'ole boat and put two of every animal on Earth on it, is operating with 400B.C. goat fucker levels of intellect.

>>84884955
The concept of ECT relies on mistranslations. Augustine (a former manicheaist) popularized the concept of ECT and he couldn't even read the original Greek New Testament but only the flawed Latin translations. Jesus commands us to love our enemies. The ECT supporters make God into a hypocrite by commanding us to love our enemies while he himself tortures them for all eternity.

>>84884959
You mean Gehenna, not Golgotha. Golgotha is the name of the execution site where Christ was crucified.

>>84885050
This. Gehenna (Valley of the sons of Hinnom) was known as the trash dump of Jerusalem where trash was burned all the time and where in the old days human sacrifices to Moloch/Baal had been made. It was thought of as a cursed place. Jesus talked about Gehenna but in our modern Bibles it has been translated as "hell".

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>>84884873
imagine being some shmuck tribesman in bumfuck nowhere earth, being sentenced to eternal damnation simply because he wasn't alive in a specific location and specific time where he could be presented with a jewish fairy tale. Poor sod

>>84885019
Sounds like autistic literalism and grasping at straws to deboonk a highly-specific category revolving around the temporal aspect of punishment.

>>84885119
That's why people are willing to jeopardize their lives to spread the gospel, in places like North Korea.

>>84885119
when a person is about to be conceived, God checks to see if their soul is evil or good. If it's an evil soul, they will be born into a situation where they will never have the chance to hear the gospel or become a Christian.

>>84885139
yea that still doesn't cover every human pre-33 AD and the many uncontacted tribes throughout at least the 1800s. They chose to be isolated from god by sheer unluck.

>>84885163
Why doesn't god just, you know, in his infinite knowledge and power, just prevent an evil soul being born. Makes god seem like an amateur software developer with all the buggy humans he let through every update patch.

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>>84884699
>the guy has countless people burning in fire for eternity because they didnt believe in him
That's literally not even true once you understand the Gospel in its fullness as restored by Joseph Smith

>>84885175
>durrr my mutt heretic is the truth
americans ruin everything they touch

>>84885174
Free will o algo. Also, the creatures pushing niggas down in the cauldrons in hell got families to feed.

>>84885174
Good and Evil are real
Satan calls you towards darkness. God calls you towards the light

>>84885218
but its not free will if everything's already predetermined by god like god putting someone in a situation which will damn him no matter what.

>>84885019
You might as well be speaking with someone about, for example, politics, and then a redditor barges in talking about boneld dolmpf being literally hitler

It's a caricature in red tights with a pitchfork that exists in his imagination.

>>84885238
It's ok soibro, the damnation isn't forever according to the sinful subhuman defense league of expert linguists.

>>84885250
honestly i'd rather be damned than live with ancient jews for eternity. Seems like the real paradise.

>>84885261
That's just their brief earthly image. We are all one.

Do people of different faiths end up in the same heaven? Imagine a heaven with 5 billion niggers and jeets.

>>84885285
there would be closer to 100 billion souls there now, most of them a different flavor of brown

>>84884699
>christcuck
Seems like the cucks are the people burning in hellfire to me.

>>84885285
do they inherit their fleshly when they enter heaven? I thought only their souls ascend. Otherwise its give new meaning to 'multicultural paradise'

>>84884699
Just don't be a jew and you'll be okay

>>84884699
Believing in him and not going to hell is a privilege, why do you think you deserve to have Christ's righteousness automatically applied to you?

If you read the bible Yahshua answered questions about suffering you're just a brainlet.

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>all this inconsistency and paradox
when you realise that people who wrote the bible literally thought we lived in a flat disk covered by a firmament of water, you know its all made up bullshit from the minds of low IQ herders. How could such simple minds even begin to resolve the philosophical complexities related to the the world and the 'afterlife'?

If atheists are so smart why are they dying out as a demographic?

>>84885396
>muslims are the smartest because they are breeding like rabbits ahh argument

>>84885413
If it wasn't for their fierce religious beliefs they already would have disappeared. White Christians are the only ones still breeding too. Atheism is a failed experiment. Mankind requires belief in a higher force to survive.

>>84885413
I thought that was atheist chinks

>>84885426
yea we know degenerate white trash 'christians' are still breeding demons and whores in this country, but so are african christians. surprise surprise, low IQ retards have more kids

>>84884699
Jesus never existed, pure fanfiction.
Centuries of "trust the government" and inquisitions are where we get the modern cult that is Christianity

>>84885174
He finds it funny and uses free will as an excuse for his goycattle to cope

When did 4chan get infested with jesus freaks /pol/ tourists?

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Yeah it's fucked up and weeds out the non committed people very easily.

>>84885444
>the productive, reproducing members of the human race are inferior!! not me!!

ONLY A LOVING GAWD WOULD GIVE HIS ONLY SON FOR THE SINS OF THE WORLD

>>84885174
he needs them to carry the boats(work 14 hour shifts in bangladesh brick kilns)

>>84885502
The most documented person in historical books btw you retard

>>84885139
They should kill themselves instead, only way to be sage from God is to remain ignorant of it.

Granted, it's all fake anyways

>>84886461
>The most documented person in historical books
His earliest record comes from Paul's letters which is at least 10-20 years after his crucifixion, and outside sources only surface at 70 years after the fact. He is actually one of the least documented person in history.

>>84884699
well I mean isn't satan the one in charge of hell right now?

should your gripes not be aimed at them?

>>84885334
>why do you think you deserve to have Christ's righteousness automatically applied to you?

So he didn't die for our sins? Careful what you say lest ye become a heretic

>>84884873
Wrong on so many levels.

>>84884959
>What modern people think of Hell comes from the 13th century poem The Divine Comedy. Most of the ideas of Hell in The Divine Comedy came from the Greek Hades and Tartarus.
Actually came from the Apocalypse if Peter which was read in churches in the 2nd century.

>>84885562
It's contrarian to be religious so 4chan schizos take that positions without even being spiritual or religious themselves. It's all signalling.

>>84884873
if you can understand this symbolically why cant you do the same for god? why must it be the christian one specifically?

>>84884881
Miracles and demonic activity never stopped and I wonder why people think they did.

>>84886701
Even atheist historians believe Jesus was a real person. The only question is was he who he said he was, and if he was, that's why.

>>84885562
because people intuit theres something more than physicalism going on but arent sophisticated enough yet to go beyond modern religion. there are truths in all religions but their mistake is completely mistaking the map for the territory

>>84886737
>Christianity may not be le true religion
It's irrelevant at this point. If it's not real then it's like Neo escaping the matrix then the underground world they're in still not being real. It's totally over at that point. People are turning to Christianity because everyone can see we live in soulless times and things are only getting worse, kind of like Jews prophesied thousands of years ago.

>>84886720
historical existence isnt unique to christianity and it doesn't explain why symbolic readings stop at hell and not at god.

>>84886756
so because we live in soulless times you're just gonna pick a random religion devote your life to it and hope its actually true..?

>>84886771
It's not a random religion.

>modern materialism seems incomplete so i'm going all in on a specific religion.
this is so surreal to me it makes my head hurt
i cant believe you're adults

>>84886797
You are assuming it's not true, but it is. The only reasons people are not Christian is ignorance, arrogance, or apathy. I was all three.

>>84886808
of course i assume any highly specific religion from thousands of years ago is untrue. so do you do for 99% of them except the one thats coincidentally socially and culturally relevant where you grew up
it's ironic that you call me arrogant and ignorant when you confidently make such a claim

>>84886808
Ignorance of what exactly?
And.
What even convinced you that the God of the bible was the true and real God?

>>84886808
>I was ignorant until someone told me the story about the talking snake and how his imaginary friend was going to torture me in magic lava unless I believed in him, but now I am euphoric!
Epic, dude!

>>84886832
>socially and culturally relevant
Not relevant to me, again you are ignorant and assuming things.
>>84886834
Demons are real, Satan is real. That's what kicked things off for me. A lot of people believe in God that "works in mysterious ways" so that wasn't an obstacle. If it is then you are arrogant. The biggest obstacle for me was believing Jesus rose from the dead and performed miracles, but if you believe in supernatural evil as I now do, it is not a stretch to believe in supernatural good. Again, this could all be an elaborate psyop, but at this point it's irrelevant.

>>84886839
ignorance, arrogance

>>84886680
>Actually came from the Apocalypse if Peter which was read in churches in the 2nd century.
Yes, but the idea that the original Christians didn't imagine a hell full of the dead who rejected God until hundreds of years after the death of Jesus is correct. Early Christians believed that Christ would return within their lifetimes. There was a pit of fire for those who were against Christ when he returned to usher in his heavenly kingdom. The idea of hell as we imagine it now is pagan.
The Jewish idea of hell is also younger than Christianity itself.

>>84886857
Okay, so explain, specifically and in detail, what you were ignorant about before and what's now enlightened you. Was it the story about God impregnating himself into a human so he could live as a carpenter and then get killed as a human sacrifice so he could forgive humanity for creating them the way they are, and wouldn't be forced to burn them for eternity in the magic lava, while knowing what was going to happen from the start? If it wasn't that, then go on and tell me exactly what's made you so euphoric.

>>84886873
I already answered here. >>84886853
I ignored the part of your reply where you started your sarcastic atheist circlejerk. You must be very young because not even redditors do that anymore.

>>84886859
>The idea of hell as we imagine it now is pagan.
>The Jewish idea of hell is also younger than Christianity itself.
It's not pagan It's on the concept of eternal reward and eternal punishment which is Jewish and specifically Christian. There is more similarities with Jewish concepts and Christian ones then Christians and pagans.

>>84886853
What made you believe in supernatural evil?

>>84886883
Unexplainable personal experiences combined with stories from people I trust that exhibit stereotypical demonic possession and paranormal activity.

>>84886878
So believing that God kicked an uppity angel out of heaven and he became the devil is the reason you believe in God now. That's odd and kind of backwards. What made you believe in the devil?

>I ignored the part of your reply where you started your sarcastic atheist circlejerk.
So which part of what I said was false? Please point it out to me.
>You must be very young because not even redditors do that anymore.
I don't give a shit what reddit does.

>>84886889
I should mention I don't blame you people for not believing. I was in the same boat literally a month ago. In fact, I was anti-Christian for the entirely of my adult life.

>>84886889
What specifically brought you to Christianity because all other religions believe in that malicious spirit stuff.

>>84886889
Interesting. I'm sorry you went through whatever you went through, anon.

>>84886898
Yeah bro you just know these things and the bearded man in the sky helps you.

>>84886898
I'm the anon you're talking to here >>84886897
And I went to religious school for grades 1-12 and was extremely invested in it, almost went to religious college as well. I'm essentially the opposite of you.

I'm sorry for being a bit of a dick, anon. If believing this stuff gives you meaning, then have at it.

>>84885396
They arent, you're thinking of christians

>>84886938
Islam is the fastest growing religion.
This guy >>84886898 should consider converting.

>>84886720
>this guy existed!
>what? No we can't confirm anything about them

Sounds like they conceded the point to not get lynched lol

>>84885691
>all those obese meth head trailer park retards and cartel spics mutilating each other are the REAL productive members of society!!

>>84886905
This is where we come to the "if it isn't true it's irrelevant at this point" because I know for a fact Jesus' name works in exorcism, and many others don't. Maybe in other parts of the world other names work, or people who believe in other things have other names work, but Jesus is one name that works for even non-believers.

>>84886756
>People are turning to Christianity because everyone can see we live in soulless times and things are only getting worse, kind of like Jews prophesied thousands of years ago.
Naw that's ai fueled propaganda, Christianity is dying out, though likely to be replaced by Islam if the rest of us don't get our asses in gear

>>84886771
>>84886777
He's right, it wasnt choaen at random, it's the one he was born into. That's what makes it the true one!

>>84886853
>Again, this could all be an elaborate psyop

You mean is an elaborate psyop. Just study history and the history of your Bible lol

>>84886889
>'i don't know therefore God' argument strikes again

Pathetic

>>84886976
as opposed to "I don't know therefore it's all nonsense"

>>84886881
>It's not pagan It's on the concept of eternal reward and eternal punishment which is Jewish and specifically Christian.
It's not specifically Christian, the idea of eternal reward was very common in Near Eastern Faiths. Ancient Egyptians believed in an afterlife where the good and evil were sorted. Greek and "Asiatic" mystery cults like the Orphic Mysteries, the Attic mysteries, Dionysian mysteries, preceded Christ, and they had the same premise - if you follow a particular set of practices then you will be rewarded in the afterlife.
Eternal punishment is less common, but it was present in Egyptian religion and Zoroastrianism. I don't think it's even apparent in the Gospels, Acts or Revelations, because Jesus doesn't present a dichotomy between Heaven and Hell, he presents a dichotomy between eternal life and death.
Rabbinical Judaism never had any concept of eternal punishment either. Their idea of "hell" is closer to the (much younger) idea of purgatory. Christian Hell is much closer to Tartarus than it is to anything in the OT or Rabbinical Judaism, and it only started to emerge in the 3rd and 4th centuries when they started to doubt whether Christ's return was as imminent as it seems in the Bible.

>>84886954
Lol you got fooled by an exorcism? That's pretty weak bruh

>>84884699
If you can't reconcile love and hell, you've never dated a BPD.

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>>84886954
>I know for a fact Jesus' name works in exorcism, and many others don't. Maybe in other parts of the world other names work, or people who believe in other things have other names work, but Jesus is one name that works for even non-believers.
Holy retarded shitskin.

>>84886984
No one's prefaced they're accusation of nonsense like that, that's just you projecting as a defense mechanism.

>>84886993
Probly thinks the blinky light box pictures are real life too

>>84886988
Yes. I have also noticed people who oppose Christianity the most on 4chan are generally people I don't want to be more like whatsoever.

>>84886954
>exorcism
I sometimes forget we gave thirdies the internet, and then we get posts like this.

>>84887003
What a strange cope this is.

Lots of passionate Christian opposition in this r9k thread. Seems very organic for an incel gooner shitposting board.

>>84887017
Aww is someone's indoctrinated beleifs feeling threatened?

>>84886853
i can believe something happened to you, and that you see things more clearly or feel sharper or cleaner, or whatever. but i think you're making a mistake by ascribing this to only the christian god specifically. even if you believe in supernatural good it's just so absurd to me that youve hung it all on one specific religion.
i dont have a problem with intuiting higher powers or whatever, in itself, but you're completely mistaking the map for the territory when you think the reason you feel good and open in church or out in nature is because of jesus christ specifically (just examples). which brings me back to this>>84886701

>>84887017
A lot of pathetic people are leftist and leftists are very anti-christcuck. It's practically their only based opinion.

>>84887068
>indoctrinated
>anti-Christian until a month ago
lol.

the leap from "the current model isnt sufficient" to "modern christianity specifically, without a doubt" is the absurd part for me. everyone can intuit it the first, but to be sure about the second is extreme. and then to think you can defend this pov? youve got to realize how insane itll look to others

>>84887071
>think you're making a mistake by ascribing this to only the christian god specifically
Why is that a mistake? What's the downside to being a Christian?

>>84886993
>>84887008
Demonic attack stuff isn't funny, it's a real experience I went to also but I don't recalling the name of Jesus having any power so I find it very weird that it works for some people like that anon.

>>84887089
>modern christianity specifically
I never said that. There are countless Christians who are misled today.

>>84887093
*went through
*don't recall

>>84887082
Non-sequitor, try again. You can do it!

>>84887122
You don't know what indoctrinated means my friend and you don't know how to spell non sequitur. Christianity must be superior then.

>>84887090
because at minimum, literally believing a framework to be uniquely true reduces openness by definition. once you've decided you already have the answer, there are possibilities you no longer seriously can entertain. it is constricting. not saying that christianity isnt better than some alternatives, or that it is particularly bad. i just think it needs to be possible to see that christianity can contain some truth without being the whole and only truth. imagine a sign that points beyond itself to somewhere else, and how easy it could become over time to mistake the sign itself for the thing

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>>84884764
Actually, I got it from growing up in a church and reading the Bible.

>>84887133
Imagine having such a low bar for your beliefs, lmao

>>84887206
>reading the Bible

Oh yeah, that'll make an atheists outta ya.

>>84887198
Fair enough but if you remain open to everything forever you will believe nothing.

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>>84884699
Hell isn't even like that in the Bible.

>>84887226
it doesn't have to be complete openness, just not absolute certainty. some people are completely fused with their beliefs

>>84887239
The Bible literally talks about casting people into a "lake of fire".

>>84887309
It's also not isolation from God because the Christian God is omnipresent that means he watches people in eternal conscious torment.

>>84887239
There's a reason the church resisted translating the Bible into languages people actually use

>>84887309
And? If you're referring to revelations thats clearly schizo babble (which is saying a lot in a book of schizo babbling) that the church shoulda removed but it made for good scare tactics

>>84887424
>picks and chooses what he likes from the supposed holy text and discards the rest
Typical religiretard.

>>84887428
Well yeah that's how religion works, you cherry pick what you want/need/want or need in the moment, and disregard the rest.

>>84887239
atheists will spread this meme without ever reading the bible, people fundamentally don't change lol. then as now