>>84929051
I accepted him when i was a kid and i still ended up miserable.

Yahshua is messiah

>>84929051
I don't care for your archonic bullshit

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>join my group delusion so you won't ever have to think again!
Don't you have a megachurch to donate to?

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I accept it but now that my life has fallen apart and my soulmate ghosted me... I feel empty.
I can't even meditate or concentrate to pray anymore. I feel totally broken and drained of all hope and energy.

How can you tell yourself that you're going to be fine when literally everything in your life results in humiliation and failure?
How do you deal with thinking that all your life's struggles were worth it because you met your soulmate to being suddenly ghosted by her and now your whole narrative about God/Christ finally rewarding you for your struggles is proven false???

I can't even believe I'm making a post here again...

>>84929051
I can no longer suspend my disbelief after reading the Bible (woops)

>>84929365
There is liderally no downside to pretending it's true anyway, especially if you can't breed.

>>84929391
>literally no downside

stop lying. wasting countless time and energy being scared off and worship a dead jew. not to mention being dragged into pro Israel politics together with other backwards retards

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>>84929397
scared off of what? being a mentally ill degenerate?

>>84929391
It's not faith if you don't believe it, numbnuts.
You don't have to believe in the literal truth of the Bible but you have to believe in what Jesus said and that Jesus is the path to salvation. Reading and thinking about Christ should make this clear, give it an earnest try; try to actually physically feel his the light and warmth of his hope and love within your soul, when you finally feel it you will be wondering how you have missed it for so long.

>>84929397
Jesus was not "pro-Israel" and his return to Earth requires God to destroy the nation of Israel and kill most of humanity besides those faithful to Christ (so not Jews).
Jews can't even carry out plans over the course of a couple weeks, yet you think they pulled off a 2000 year long con...

>>84929416
>It's not faith if you don't believe it, numbnuts.
You can believe Jesus was right about whatever without believing he is the Son of God.

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>>84929416
>literally the exact opposite of reality

Your bible says the jews have to enslave the earth before your fake rabbi can come back lmao

>hey goy let jews enslave and rape you so that you can get heaven

the "synagogue of satan" has to achieve global domination before your jesus decides to come back lol. this is literally your entire kike eschatology

>>84929431
>Your bible says the jews have to enslave the earth
they already have through central banking so it's a moot point lmao

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>>84929416
>>84929431
>christians hating on jews like they dont both worship the same god
lmao

>>84929431
As >>84929435 pointed out, we've been enslaved to a world owned by evil kikes holding money for decades by this point.

You are like the scared Jews such as Bibi who beg to be "allowed into Heaven" by pretending they were only being evil and enslaving the world SPECIFICALLY TO BRING BACK CHRIST ON EARTH... it's the funniest gambit ever because Jews legitimately celebrate the fact that they keep trying to trick God.

>>84929455
Christians aren't supposed to hate Jews. They are supposed to convert them to Christanity.

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>>84929435
Christians also gave jews central banking

Because surprise the bible told them only the chosen ones can perform usury lmao it's sinful for you to control your finances goyim!

>until you accept that Christ is King.>
Christ isn't king, Yahweh controls us, Benjamin Netanyahu controls us, >CHURCH OF SCIENTOLOGY IS ALSO INVOLVED>

>>84929481
>no you see usury is actually BASED
oh boy

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>>84929470
Theres no point for them to convert jews, they already worship yaldabaoth just like christfags do

>>84929501
stop posting satanic nonsense in this blessed thread

>>84929510
how you can continue to worship a god that has deliberately created a world with such misery in it is beyond me.

>>84929051
Tell that to the faggots on 4chan.

>>84929510
reminder that Christianity emerged from Judaism

>>84929527
surely you could have done better

>>84929538
Yeah right buddy. Next thing you're going to tell me Jesus was Jewish.

>>84929537
They already told us but i still dont understand why god wont just let me be another males boywife.

>>84929547
Jesus was born into a Jewish family in Judea dumbass

>>84929553
>Jesus was born into a Jewish family in Judea dumbass
WHAT????

>>84929549
If you read the Bible, it's pretty clear why.

>>84929555
its been understood throughout Christian history

>>84929540
surely you could have done better than a completely meaningless reply that contributes nothing to the conversation. But its par for the course of what i expected from someone who worships the demiurge.

>>84929568
Thanks for the history lesson. I love Israel now.

>>84929563
I know the bible just says its a sin, but gives an actual justification for why its a sin.

>>84929571
hell no fuck Israel, Jews, and Christianity

>>84929570
Obviously we cannot even conceive of what it is like to be God, which is why you are seething right now.

>>84929577
Well, the shortest possible answer I can give you is that marriage is defined as a union of a man and a woman. This is enough in the context of the Bible, but if you want more, then it's a sin because every sin in the Bible is basically stuff that will ultimately lead to failure for you or society as a whole. Look at HIV rates for homosexuals, for example, and tell me if you were meant to do that. Or procreation: can you get pregnant, my guy?

>>84929119
I LOVE YOU ASHLEY

>>84929577
>>84929632
I heard a Catholic priest talk about this recently. He said Satan takes the most pleasure in perverting sex because having children is the only time man can participate in the act of creation, something divine and something Satan cannot do.

>>84929391
Lol you kidding? There's many a downside, being retarded enough to state something like that being one of em.

>>84929588
>gods probably got a super good reason for all his morally inconsistent actions, just trust me bro
actual retard

>>84929681
>I could have done better than God!!
redditmaxxed

>>84929416
>but you have to believe in what Jesus said and that Jesus is the path to salvation.

Oh is that all? Well good luck determining what jesus actually said vs what what put on his lips.

Such a shame God didn't think to make his son able to read and write. /s

>>84929563
Which Bible? Early ones make no comment on adult consensual homosex

>>84929659
Stay away from priests and pastors and whatnot; just take the Bible. Especially Catholics that have a rampant faggot problem.

>>84929693
It makes no comment on fucking sex bots. Do you think God wants us to fuck sex bots?

>>84929687
Jesus lived his life by the Ten Commandments and wanted people to follow them, however he had one additional commandment of his own:
>love each other as I loved you

>>84929686
The bar ain't that high, just don't be pro slavery and genocide

>>84929700
>implying pedo priests are are uniquely a catholic problem

>>84929706
You don't support enslaving women and Total Simp Death?

>>84929632
>marriage is defined as a union of a man and a woman
but unmarried straight men and women arent deemed sinners and sent to hell, seems pretty hypocritical that only homos are considered sinners for not being in a true marriage
>Look at HIV rates for homosexuals
Thats because of lgbtq+ culture heavily promoting hookups, its not an inherent fault of being a homosexual.
>Or procreation: can you get pregnant, my guy?
Nope, but can infertile women get pregnant either? Or what about all the nuns and preists who are sworn to a life of celibacy? They arent procreating either so whats the difference

>>84929659
So it would be okay for to get a boyfriend aslong as i dont have sex with him?

>>84929724
>So it would be okay for to get a boyfriend aslong as i dont have sex with him?
that's called having a friend

>>84929706
So you want God to control everyone's life and their actions as well? You want to have no freedom of thought whatsoever?

Why do you want God to make the world a paradise when he already did that and we betrayed him to gain our freedoms?

>>84929686
I easily could by just not creating any living beings in the first place lol. Its not that difficult to comprehend.

>>84929731
wow that's absolutely genius anon why didn't God thnk of that

>>84929724
Ok, I will say it differently because I don't think you understood me properly. Leviticus 18:22, Romans 1:26 27, and 1 Corinthians 6:9 10. makes it clear that it's an unnatural way of life. If you are feeling gay but don't sleep with people and say you devote your life to God, then it should be fine, although I personally think if you are gay in the first place, it means you were corrupted. And it's not just the hookup culture; it's the anal sex itself because the ass was not meant for that, and the lining tears way easier than the vagina, which infects the bloodstream.

>>84929734
Please tell me why god didnt think of that then lol

>>84929700
the priest I was talking about was raped by a Catholic priest when he was 11

>>84929051
Yeah, worked for me. It took awhile, but I would not have gotten anything in life without God.
>Got a hot young girlfriend whose a Christian and who covers up a lot of my own flaws (ex: she's educated vs my lazy intelligence).
>Started a career, found out that I actually do have a work ethic and my willpower can actually increase over time and exercise. Found out I like helping people and work is not all bad anymore.
>Got into a house, literally just fell in my lap. A super rare opportunity that would not have happened without God giving me opportunity.

Everything good that's happened to me is because of God, one way or another. I'm going to build a prayer altar in my house dedicated to him. Glory to the Lord.

>>84929778
I was being sarcastic. I don't think you understand how retarded it is to imagine yourself as God.

>>84929710
It's not just that. Haven't you noticed how friendly toward LGBT Catholicism is? We don't have that in my orthodox country.

>>84929710
And I will never understand why the pope has so much power to even dictate doctrine. All you need is the Bible. But the Catholics instead just have a guy interpret the Bible as he sees fit and spread it this way. Is there like a shortage of Bibles in the West that they resort to that?

>>84929716
>You don't support enslaving women
Nope, radical I know!
>and Total Simp Death?
Go on....

>>84929729
What's that got to do with God being pro genocide and slavery and those things being amoral?

Also, no, and apparently he didn't if it included an evil snake.

>>84929728
You kiss and cuddle your friends?

>>84929760
>If you are feeling gay but don't sleep with people and say you devote your life to God, then it should be fine
Is it fine to also be in a sexless gay relationship too, or must i remain strictly single?
>it's the anal sex itself because the ass was not meant for that, and the lining tears way easier than the vagina, which infects the bloodstream.
fair point, but on the other hand, god did give the male anus a g-spot.
i hope i dont come off as disrespectful in any of my replies, you seem much more levelheaded respectful than anyone else ive discussed this
topic with before.

>>84929734
Then who would he torment or pick favorites with?

>>84929464
>uhhh it's destiny jews enslave us
>you can't do anything about it

pagan nations just flattened jews all the way to their temple lmao

meanwhile christcucks are tripping all over themselves to die for israel

>>84929789
Because they'd die out even faster if they didn't lol, same thing happened regarding slavery

>>84929827
>meanwhile christcucks are tripping all over themselves to die for israel

Mostly the stupid ones so we got that going for us at least

>>84929788
Its not too farfetched to imagine ourselves as god, since your god, the demiurge, was not all-knowing or omnipotent and humans arent all-knowing or omnipotent either

>>84929788
That's either incredibly self aware or hilariously ironic and I'm not sure which.

>>84929843
even if that was true your solution of having nobody exist would still be retarded

>>84929827
Israeli and Jewish hatred has never been so mainstream and widely accepted as right now. You couldn't even suggest Jews were profiting off of Covid during the pandemic, but now even your average normie unironically believes Jews are trying to control the world through evil and sneaky methods.

>>84929851
hehe I would upvote you twice if I could.

>>84929821
There is a whole can of worms called adelphopoiesis. It fell out of use, and I think personally it was blasphemous. As for the G-spot, it's not up your ass; it's just close to the anal wall. The prostate serves to produce seminal fluid to nourish and transport sperm, and

>>84929856
literally how lol. There isnt any problems or suffering if there isnt anybody there to suffer in the first place.

>>84929867
Didn't mean to add *and* got a brain fart

>>84929873
>life is literally hell for everyone
You are probably a NEET shitposting on 4chan from the richest country to ever exist. Let's not get carried away here.

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>a human can forgive without a sacrifice
which makes them superior to god who is like some weird constrained accountant

>would you create a world with ch*ld rape? you wouldn't
which makes you exceed the benevolence and mercy of the biblical god

I went to a Catholic church here in Israel many times and the Hebrew speaking congregation there wasn't welcoming at all. The priest is Polish and he wasn't welcoming either. They all felt kinda brainwashed to me. It was disappointing.

>>84929858
>even your average normie unironically believes Jews are trying to control the world through evil and sneaky methods
the Mossad motto is "By way of deception thou shalt do war". They are literally cartoon villains.

>>84929902
>I went to church in the church capital of the word and everyone felt brainwashed

Wow! I bet if you go to the beach you'll find some water too!

>>84929911
Well when exactly that is all over the news week after week...

>>84929902
>Catholic church
>welcoming
They are there to do rituals and worship. It's the same in the US.

>>84929887
Why should life be hell for anyone at all? Why would you subject even just one singular person to a miserable life unless you were a petty cruel god.

>>84929922
Such a great question. Too bad I'm not God and thankfully you aren't either because my life is not literally hell.

>>84929867
>I think personally it was blasphemou
Could you tell me why? Im genuinely curious

>>84929918
It was pretty awful. Like after Mass everyone would go to the congregation room, and people would sit with each other around the table while I'd be on the sidelines. I knew maybe 1-2 people and they wouldn't even invite me to sit with them, just go talk to someone as if I'm invisible. The priest didn't care either. After the second time I just stopped going to Mass altogether, but I occasionally visit the church when I'm in the area because it's old and quite beautiful.

There's a Lutheran church in my area but it doesn't seem very appealing, and orthodox churches tend to be ethnic, like a church for Russians, Greeks etc.

>>84929925
Ah yes, the classic christcuck defense maneuver of 'I'm too stupid, sorry!'

>>84929925
i obviously was saying life is hell in a figurative sense, you dense sisterfucker. you cannot even manage to come up with a single defense for anything your god does, pathetic.

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>>84929931
stop trying so hard to be an abrahamic golem

it's just a bunch of religious narcissists high on their on farts thinking they're perfect because they subscribe to a label and everyone else deserves torture

>>84929940
>heh he's not smart enough to know what it's like to be God like me
you are just plain retarded

>>84929945
>life is hell in a figurative sense
sure, when you choose to debase yourself and stray from God

>>84929928
The whole idea behind adelphopoiesis was to create a spiritual relationship between 2 men. The problem in my eyes is why you want to do that in the first place when the church community should be united spiritually anyway and take care of each other. My explanation is that it was a loophole to get some mad dick back in the days.

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>>84929954
Ok bro explain gods reasoning for the events in this video

>>84929954
i was raised catholic and even as a god-fearing child my life still sucked lol

>>84929966
>if God why bad
you got me bro
>>84929968
You should not fear God. Nobody fears God more than an atheist.

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When you let atheists and pagans freely debate God and Christ, they always resort to two assumptions:
1. That God is not just good and all-knowing but is all-powerful and able to actively affect reality however he wants.
2. That God would WANT to constantly watch over all our lives and constantly tweak our minds or the minds of others into whatever he feels would be best for the whole of humanity.

It's almost insane what they want
>STOP MAKING ME INTO A GOY CATTLE SLAVE!!! YOU ARE SUCH A CHRISTKEK!!!
>YES GOD PLEASE CONTROL OUR MINDS AND LIVES!!! DON'T ALLOW US ANY FREE WILL OR YOU ARE EVIL!!!!

>>84929966
>gods reasoning
Free Will. God created us. We bit the fruit of knowledge and gained Free Will, but lost our innocence. Lost our ability to be shepherd by God. We're sheep who've escaped the pen and yet wonder why we're getting eaten by wolves. We've turned Earth into Hell, when all God wanted was to give us a world where we could live in harmony with our wives and our animals. God can't just make us do His Will, not without violating our own Free Will. This is the Life we chose for ourselves, why blame God for the mistakes you willingly make daily?

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>>84930003
>>84930052
So Church isn't sacred ground? So Church isn't God's "pen"? The truth is you faggots have never spent time reading the Bible in Greek. The truth is God feels powerful whenever he causes death and suffering. Kinda based if you ask me!

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>>84930003
Both are affirmed in your bible

Cope forever

>>84930052
Free will is denied in the bible

Can you do anything to thwart gods will according to your narrative? No? Shut up with your poor evangelical gaslighting

>>84930141
>Why does God allow bad things to happen to good people?
What makes you think he lets anything happen to anyone? What makes you think God is on a linear timescale and not in all times all at once?

You're gonna be in front of Him after death, explaining yourself to Him, no matter what. He has no reason to jump in and help unless it is part of his cosmic plan, as he demonstrated by instructing Jesus to accept his suffering and death rather than allowing his friends to save him from his fate.
Jesus called Peter "Satan" because Peter attempted to stop Jesus from having to be crucified, because Jesus was legitimately angry that his friend was putting his human emotions over Jesus' divine mission; to Jesus, this made Peter no different than Satan despite doing it for a pure reason of wishing to help his friend avoid suffering.

>>84930141
God's House is in Heaven. A church is just our place of worship, "God's House" is a metaphor, just like the fruit of knowledge - if it really exists like the plain text, then we don't know to what extent. But no, a church doesn't save people. Christianity doesn't save people. A book doesn't save people. God saves people. Everything else is just interpretations on how to worship God, they should be learned and studied, but without a relationship with God - none of it matters.

>>84930194
>Can you do anything to thwart gods will according to your narrative?
The entire world turned against God except for Noah and his family, which caused God to flood the earth to kill everyone besides the ones he chose to survive.

Every civilization and culture on Earth shares the story of a great flood that wiped out humanity btw. It's 100% based off a real ancient event where most humans died in a massive flood.

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>>84930198
>what you sound like to non-retarded people

>>84930194
>Free will is denied in the bible
Where? Without scripture or stories, you're just spouting your own opinions. That doesn't matter.

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>>84930234
>he didn't read his bible
Here you go :)

Now apologize christkike

>>84930233
>hurr durr why would a partially-divine human choose to do the opposite of what Adam and Eve did and obey God's will no matter who said what to him and no matter what fears and emotions he held!!?? how does that forgive original sin?!??
Jesus did the impossible. That's why he was a miracle.

>>84930255
jesus is a myth

they don't take down corpses immediately after crucifixion they leave you hanging and rotting there as a warning

>>84930255
the first liar of the bible is god btw "if you are of this fruit on THAT DAY you will surely DIE"

Adam and Eve didn't die.

you don't understand your jew cult is demiurge disclosure

>>84930296
*if you eat

>>84930284
They did the public humiliation beforehand because they knew his body would have to be taken down due to Jewish law before sunset.

Not a single Roman who doubted Jesus's divinity ever made this point as far as I know, meaning that they saw nothing strange about it. Their main gripe was that a "god" cannot DIE on the a man-made cross, killed by men.

>>84930296
They did die. They had eternal life in Paradise until they ate the fruit and were forced to be tied to the material world, where everything must begin and everything must end.

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>>84930310
Whatever. You believe in flying rabbis

Tell me where did jesus go exactly? Is he hiding in Jupiter right now?

Making up bullshit about flying to the sky might be impressive to goat herders but we know what's up there now

>>84930252
That doesn't deny Free Will? Just because a Father chooses to raise two children in different ways, doesn't mean those two children had no Free Will.

I mean let's tackle your argument from a secular point of view, just to point out how dumb your point is: You actually think
>a 3,400 year old book
>that was rewritten and edited multiple times
>that the largest religions on earth are based on
>whose first story is about the fruit of the knowledge of good & evil and consequences it had on humanity
Would just have a blatant contradiction without any reason or additional context. Why do atheists think the Bible can be used against people who believe in the Bible. You're not smarter than the Bible, I'm sorry. If the Bible could be defeated with some common logic and a google search, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. Your debate skills are not smarter than the worldest largest religion. That defies all logic.

>>84930333
He's in Heaven, or God's Kingdom.

This is another universe outside our own. It is not within the world of matter and time and space, it is outside all of it while simultaneously aware of them all at once. There's nothing in the sky or out in space, because Heaven is another reality. It's a lot like dreaming, not imaginary but not fake.

>>84930333
If you don't believe in paranormal/supernatural (i.e. your religion is materialism) that is obviously a non-starter for believing in Christianity.

>>84930320
False

1. the translation is clear actual DEATH on that DAY

2. the elohim (canaanite pantheon) convenes later and outright says Adam and Eve were not immortal and the only way they can be immortal was to eat from the tree of life

You don't know anything

>>84930334
There isn't a conversation to be had. You niggers are delusional. That's why you're speaking about this bullshit

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>>84930349
Nope the bible says he flew up

Is he on mars right now?

Jewish prophets believed the sky was god's kingdom but we know better now lmao

>>84930356
You are desperate to make that quote into
>If you eat the fruit, then on the day you do you will drop dead.
but that's not what it says unless you can't understand English, in which case you shouldn't be quoting and trying badly to explain grammar of a language you can't speak.

>>84930368
that's what it says lol

sorry your pastor tricked you into believing made up semantics

>>84929889
>sacrifices
I thought Jesus dying on the cross for our sins was the ultimate sacrifice, which ended old testament law requiring sacrifices to God? To my knowledge all you need to do is believe in Christ and repent for your sins. Where are you getting this? I'm an atheist and was raised by atheist parents but even I know this shit.

>would you create a world with ch*ld rape?
>>84930052

>>84930361
>Nope the bible says he flew up
He did, then he experienced apotheosis and became a spiritual being that then went to Heaven.

I'm truly not sure what your point is.

>>84930378
You can't speak English.

>>84929416
>24But he answered and said, I am not sent but unto the lost sheep of the house of Israel. 25Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me. 26But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs. 27

Why are christcucks in denial that they worship a jew rabbi? There are countless copes in this world and they choose one of the retarded ones.

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>>84930380
Made up after powered flight.

Your jewish religion believed heaven is in the sky. Christian hymns sing about gods kingdom in the sky. Cope.

>>84930379
Again a human does not require a sacrifice to forgive while your god does

Free will is denied in the bible >>84930252

>>84930334
>blah blah

provide a verse that supports free will. meanwhile many verses affirm gods absolute control and will over creation. stop embarassing yourself already

>>84930360
Same could be said about you guys. It's ridiculous that you think you're somehow smarter than 3,000 years of debates, theology, and religious prosecution. Of course we don't agree, we have two completely different worldviews. The audacity of you is that you completely disregard a worldview and think it could be completely demolished. How utterly delusional you would have to be to believe the world is so simple and nice.

>>84930390
>on that day(immediate) you will die(death)
>NOOOO THIS ACTUALLY MEANS SOMETHING ELSE

lol okay

>>84929051
When you think of Jesus as a black dude then it makes sense why he seems so likeable

>>84929949
Good thing that's not what I said then huh? If you're struggling to read/comprehend you can ask for help

>>84930379
>>would you create a world with ch*ld rape?
Yes, we - every single human on earth - created a world where child rape can exist, where it can be rewarded, and protected by the powers that be. Then we continue to choose everyday not to change or fight against the people in power. God didn't choose to create that, we did. God gives us the Free Will to shape the world, you think that God is some kinda of tyrant who defines every action in the world because that's what YOU would do with power. And that's why the world will never change, your mindset is too common for us to fix ourselves on our own.

>>84930392
>27 "Yes it is, Lord," she said. "Even the dogs eat the crumbs that fall from their master's table."
>28 Then Jesus said to her, "Woman, you have great faith! Your request is granted." And her daughter was healed at that moment.

Earlier in the chapter, Jesus tells everyone that the Jewish Rabbis (Pharisees) are hypocrites and that they defile God with their lies. They think they can tell people what God wants and have them obey, but Jesus tells the woman here that she can have everything that God grants to the Jews so long as she accepts God's grace when it comes to her.

>>84930406
On the day they eat the fruit, they have cursed themselves to suffer death which they would've been blind to and never experienced had they not done so.
Learn English.

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>>84930405
>3000 years of perverts arguing and killing each other

you used to kill people for suggesting the earth orbits the sun lmao

you spread your religion using torture and threats

you can't even agree which of you churches is the right one

you're literal jewish golems

>>84930405
>3,000 years
Christianity is less than 2000 years old.
>Theology
Delusional niggers arguing about delusional shit
>Religious prosecution
Because niggers were delusional and believed in delusional shit
You can extend that logic to every other religion and civilization in history, including ones older than yours (Hinduism, Zoroastrianism, Judaism, and Jainism) that directly contradict Christianity. You could use that logic to argue that civilizations shouldn't have been conquered due to their rich cultural heritage.
The truth is that the world is simple and brutal. Religions are wrong, civilizations are raped and pillaged. You can continue to cope about religion, but I'm taking time out of my time to engage and tell you guys that you are steeped in delusion. If you continue to use religion as a coping mechanism that's on you. Just don't complain when there is no eternal soul, when the world becomes black, and when you finally realize on the operating table that the world is simple and cruel.

>>84930427
>1 hour later
Did your sissy hypno goon session really take that long?

>>84929994
Lol project harder I dare you

>>84930434
>On the day they eat the fruit, they have cursed themselves to suffer death which they would've been blind to and never experienced had they not done so.
that's not what the verse says boy lmao

I accept your defeat since you had to add a bunch of nonsense to cobble up a point lol

>>84930400
>provide a verse that supports free will.
Joshua 24:15
"But if serving the Lord seems undesirable to you, then choose for yourselves this day whom you will serve, whether the gods your ancestors served beyond the Euphrates, or the gods of the Amorites, in whose land you are living. But as for me and my household, we will serve the LORD."

>>84930451
If you ever have to say "I accept your..." during a debate, you lost.
Pretending to not understand poetic language doesn't make you sound smarter, FYI.

>>84930255
Somehow an even worse take on genesis/jesus

>>84930461
Keep coping

You're making up nonsense evangelical deflections for bible failures and it shows

>>84930454
In accordance to the rest of the bible

They chose that way because god willed it to be so

Try again

>>84930320
Because they ate the fruit or because yaweh is a petty little bitch?

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>>84930461
>>84930466
Forgot the image lmao

>>84930468
Because they stopped being immortal beings living in Paradise. They were kicked out and forced to live alone on Earth and fend for themselves, which meant they would get hurt, sick, and eventually die like everything living does.

>>84930441
>3,000 years
>Christianity is less than 2000 years old.
The Bible is older than Christianity. The fact that you'd even think I wouldn't know how old Christianity is - shows that you're not taking this seriously.

>>84930469
>still doesnt realize he's doing what the serpent did by deliberately misunderstanding God's commands in order to trick people into thinking God was lying
major OOF

>>84930477
So do you think mormonism is a 3000 year old religion because they draw from the torah then?

>>84930466
>Try again
No. Free Will. Your life is the sum of all your decisions, I'm not gonna argue that against someone who refuses to acknowledge their own decisions because they regret all of them. That's on you, and only you. You know why? Because besides God - no one else cares. So either you fix it or ask God for help. Or keep making mistakes, humanity is too flawed to help you.

>>84930494
>trying to move goalposts

god claimed they would die on that day and they didn't

he lied lol

>>84930496
I wasn't talking about strictly Christianity in my previous post you replied to, we're talking verses, and that includes the Bible's version of the Torah - The Old Testament.

>>84930500
The bible rejects free will. You reject the bible then.

Good job blasphemer. No one can thwart gods will.

>>84930503
He didn't unless you deliberately misunderstand what he was saying, as if he warned them the fruit was poisonous.

>>84930514
You are the one misunderstanding the plaintext as you christian typically do.

It means nothing else than dying on that day even in the original language

>>84930513
You can't use religion against someone who knows their own religion more than you. You haven't said anything in last few posts that made sense. I think you've rejected logic, because logic implies a free will. If it didn't, then logically this debate wouldn't matter.

>>84930520
Literally everyone but you and Adam and Eve understands it another way; that when they eat the fruit they are dooming themselves to death in more ways than literal.

>>84930534
You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about lol

Romans 9: 13-23

Again I'll make this simple.

Can you thwart the will of God? Yes or no?

>>84930538
Yes millions of stupid evangelicals believe in your bullshit lol

But the plaintext is there for anyone

Your god lied

>>84930553
If you cannot resist God's Will then there would be no story of Job. There would be no story of Moses. No story of Jesus crying out for God's Mercy on the cross.
You can resist all you want, it's just ultimately fruitless.

>>84930553
You can't honestly expect this to work, can you?

I can feel through the text that you don't even buy your own line of argument.

>>84930360
Are you sure you're not one yourself?

>>84930571
Roman 9 says exactly that

No one cannot resist the will of god

So either admit free will doesn't exist or go on being a blasphemer lol

>>84930593
Adam and Eve didn't die on that day :) Sorry

>>84929051
>Reminder that you will never know true happiness and peace in life until you accept that Christ is King.
Has anyone in the thread proved this wrong yet?

>>84930392
Then what do you believe in?

>>84930607
Nope, it's just anti-Semitism and a lot of bad words.

>>84930607
Does that include all the priests and pastors that r*pe children in the backrooms

>>84930606
>No one cannot resist the will of god
Resist doesn't mean defeating the will of God. There's thousands of resistances that fail everyday. There's no point arguing this.
>So either admit free will doesn't exist or go on being a blasphemer lol
If free will doesn't exist, then why would God test Job? You can't test someone who you already know how he will answer. Omniscient doesn't mean you're automatically making someone else's choices. Why would God try to convince Moses? He willed him to do a task, Moses should have automatically done as God asked, if God didn't give him Free Will. Why would Jesus ask if God had forsaken him? Why would Jesus sacrifice himself at all? Jesus whole life would not have matter if he had no free will. God would have just willed it to be so.

Why are you so deadset on disproving Free Will? You're more concerned about Free Will than Christianity. You're not arguing that God doesn't exist at this point, you're strictly focused on Free Will. What's so bad about Free Will? What possible reason could you want it to not exist? It doesn't make sense with Christianity, and it doesn't make sense with Logic. Most people take Free Will as a given certainty. Only in places like r9k, would you find someone who can't stand the thought of their own free will. You're willingly choosing to deny free will, nobody is forcing you to argue against it. God definitely isn't, judging from the stories I talked about above. It can only be your own will that's keeping you going.

>>84930630
>uhh rape exists, checkmate christians

>>84929051
>Reminder that you will never know true happiness and peace in life
correct
>until
incorrect

>>84930443
Concession accepted

Was on a walk lol, were you here the whole time seething?

>>84930788
no I just got back from my sissy hypno goon session and was projecting

>>84930472
>Because they stopped being immortal beings living in Paradise

And did that happen because they ate the fruit or because yaweh is a petty little bitch?

>>84929119
TEXT KYLE, ASHLEY

>>84930607
Multiple people, Christians just ignore it like they do inconvenient Bible verses, the suffering of poor people, the crimes of their priests and presidents, etc

>>84930823
It should really say "you will never know true happiness and peace in life as long as you are a prideful and arrogant anti-Christian"

even buddhists are not that

>>84930832
Sure they are, considering how low a bar you have for anti-christian

>>84930850
buddhists are not prideful and arrogant.

>>84930832
You know, I've never once seen an Anti-Christian be happy. Nobody ever argues against Christianity because they're so glad they stopped being a Christian or that Life is so much better afterwards. They always seem so angry instead. Hm.

>>84930856
Ah you must not understand what a 'low bar' means.

I was saying that since you have such a low standard for considering others people prideful and arrogant Buddhists would qualify

>>84930868
lots of Christians would qualify too, that doesn't mean it's a good thing

>>84930858
>Nobody ever argues against Christianity because they're so glad they stopped being a Christian or that Life is so much better afterwards

That's been argued many times here lol >>84930823 strikes again.

I'm much happier post deconstruction but the anxiety disorder I contracted persists unfortunately

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>believing in something without proof
"arrogance"
>believing in something without proof and getting rewarded with knowledge that you were right all along
"pride"

>>84930871
>lots of Christians would qualify too.

You mean most lol

>>84930879
>I will just autistically completely redefine words
okay

>>84930883
probably. what's your point?

>>84930887
Lol you're just esl, calm down

>>84930887
nah, atheists are simply obsessed with proving religious people wrong and they hate how difficult it is to convince anyone who genuinely holds their faith and has thought about it plenty of times.

>>84930878
Oh okay, sure. Then link a post about an Anti-Christian being happy. I wanna see what's so great about being Anti-Christian. I wanna open my mind and learn what I've been missing out on.

>>84930895
That the original accusation of arrogance and pridefulness is projection (mostly).

I do mirror some of it back at christians admittedly, hard not too in those amounts lol

>>84930915
It literally doesn't get more arrogant than thinking you could do a better job at being God.

>>84930903
Sure, https://onlys.ky/the-happiest-nations-on-earth-are-strongly-secular/

It's neat stuff

>>84930921
Not really, your god is a bit of an idiot.

>>84930902
Truth does not require belief

You already failed lol

>>84930903
Christians are the most miserable people on the planet lmao

You keep complaining about everything and hate you neighbor the moment they deviate one iota from your delusions

>>84930937
There is really nothing to say in reply to this. It's just cringe.

>>84930926
How high does the Vatican place on the happiest nations?

>>84930950
Here I'll demonstrate.

If I were God I'd just forgive people and not require human sacrifices.

Also, wouldn't create hell.

Bam! Easy

>>84930926
>Finland
>The happiest place on Earth.
I've been enlightened.

>>84930959
Again, essentially assuming free will does not and should not exist.

>>84930957
https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=How+high+does+the+Vatican+place+on+the+happiest+nations%3F

Though not a nation so dunno if it's listed

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>>84930982
Truly a wonderous nation, full of happy people.

>>84930984
That free will cope doesn't work where it's applicable, which here it is not. Care to try again? That's strike 1 btw

>>84930731
because you're god is a schizo and the bible doesn't make sense

again can you thwart the will of god or not. yes or no

I disprove free will because you use it justify every evil when your god admits he controls every variable and the decisions of people

even SALVATION is not in your will "by grace you are saved not by works" you have to be chosen to be saved according to the bible

>>84930946
>Immediately posts about how angry Christians make him
You just proved his point.

>>84931000
>judging a book by its cover
You were raised Christian weren't you?

>>84931003
Daily reminder it is impossible to live as if you do not have free will.

>>84931007
>you have to be chosen to be saved according to the bible
This alone proves you have never read the Bible. If you had, you'd know that choosing to accept Jesus' sacrifice as the Son of God is the only way to be saved. That's a choice of Free Will. God gave everyone a gift, but it's still our choice to accept it, this is Church Kindergarten level stuff.

>>84931030
Okay and?/never said otherwise

>>84930946
>Truth does not require belief
How many people still don't believe Covid was manufactured in a Chinese lab and that Dr. Fauci was involved in making it???

Those are all facts btw, dismissed as conspiracy and lies because nobody wanted to believe it and they were threatened if they talked about it.
So, yes, truth does rely on belief to spread and be accepted.

>>84931048
And your conception of nu-God only makes sense if free will does not exist.

>>84931037
Interesting, we have two Bible passages saying the opposite of each other. Guess we gotta ring up God and ask which is correct!

Oh wait....

>>84931009
>christians
>who historically kill, oppress, spread ignorance, fraud authority
>serve jews

why wouldn't they be hated? you effeminate retard

>>84931055
Nope, already told you as much. Handwaving all the issues with your god with 'muh free will' is disingenuous and lazy.
Strike 2

>>84931072
You don't even understand your own argument.

>>84931063
The only effeminate people are the non-Christians.

>>84931088
Formulate that into a coherent thought, ESL.

>>84931086
you literally model a fictional relationship with an abusive unavailable uncommunicative skydaddy lol

>>84931063
Narcissists cannot handle the consequences of their behavior, it is known

>>84931063
You are inverting reality
You are saying the people who preserved knowledge were stressing ignorance. The people who said "turn the other cheek" and accepted Crucifixion at the hands of the Roman state you are calling killers and oppressors

>>84931084
You're projecting again...
Ball 1

>>84931037
"no one can come to the father unless the father draws him first"

oops try again. the bible is clear its not your work lest you boast

>>84929051
kill yourself, smug faggot

>>84931105
>preserved knowledge
you literally destroy every nonjewish culture you came across

>turn the other cheek
commits genocide anyway

>accepted crucifixion
meanwhile christians persecute people everyday lmao

>>84931095
That and other reasons is why Christians comparing God's love to a parents gives me the ick real bad

>>84931094
>ESL projecting

it's a bible quote disproving that salvation is your choice

John 6 44

I have to spoonfeed the bible to these christcucks

>>84931136
Why would someone trust some seething atheist's interpretation?

>>84931136
And that has what to do with truth needing to be believed???

>>84931125
>>turn the other cheek
>commits genocide anyway

You turn the other cheek first so later once you've converted enough people you can do a genocide, as a treat!

Islam is a bit more official policy about it, starts with a t and sounds like a Mexican dish iirc

>>84931125
The Scriptoria Scribes preserved knowledge. Cassiodorus created the Vivarium Monastery specifically to collect and copy sacred and classical texts. Irish Monks preserved classical worked including by pagan authors like Cicero, Virgil and Aristotle
Pagan authors are not Jewish.

>>84931148
What interpretation? It's right there in the text.

Err right, you can't read above a 5th grade level. I forget my apologies.

>>84931095
Sigh... What kind of LGBT faggot are you?

>>84931150
>free will denied
>salvation is a choice denied

it's all the jewish gods whims

>>84931136
>I have to spoonfeed the bible to these christcucks

Often tedious, sometimes hilarious. Very rarely effective unfortunately

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5WRRwA7JvXc

Drive the nails as hard as you can I now see my vision through the holes of my hand.

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I'm tired of people who never picked up the Catechism telling me what Catholics like me believe

>>84931164
Always has been....

BLAM!

>>84931155
>Roman Christianity when they didn't fully lose their reason yet

Tell me about how christians uplifted and preserved Native Americans by killing 90% of them and stealing their land

>>84931164
You already deleted the post because you never meant to respond to me, yet you act like you can salvage it anyway by bullshitting hard enough... or you just forgot who you were talking to...

What does your quote have to do with me showing that the truth isn't always evident but must be believed by people in order to be taken as truth?

>>84931160
Thank you for apologizing. I accept.

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>>84931161
>forgive me daddy I've been a bad bad goy

(You)

>>84931179
>people who haven't read the book telling you what to believe don't believe what the book told you to believe and you won't listen to it them because the book told you not to.

None of that is surprising

>>84931202
>people who reject Jesus reject Jesus
thanks for summarizing the thread

>>84931182
90% of native Americans died from disease. If you listen to Canadian politicians like Justin Trudeau they start every speech with land acknowledgement statements and guilt about how Canadians treated natives
But you know who else wiped out a continent of people?
The Chinese. The Bubonic Plague that wiped out Europe came from China. Do you ever see Xi doing acknowledgement statements?

>>84931187
What are you even babbling about

If you can't follow then shut up lmao

The entire discussion was free will and choice salvation both denied by the bible

>>84931197
I'm not a bad goy you faggot. My people literally were saving Jews from the concentration camp during the Second World War.

>>84931227
>if i takk down to you then--
LOL
nah, you're still just an angry atheist googling Bible passages that you think fit your arguments

>>84931212
Ah, seems you dont know what the catechism is. It's a funny book

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>>84931251
>meanwhile you have no argument at all

I accept your concession

>>84931230
Lel

>>84931313
And it's better to be a goy than a faggot.

>>84931349
yeah yeah ok moishe you want everyone to worship dead rabbi on stick

>>84931443
No, I want faggots out of society.

>>84931466
But anon... you're the faggot!

>>84931560
I'm not a faggot, I swear, bro.

>>84931560
>>84931466
>>84931443
>>84931349
I need you two to post pictures of your ex girlfriend otherwise the allegations are going to stick

>>84931701
Look, I'd gladly do that, but my dog ate the only photo I had of her. But I'm straight as an arrow.