Should manlets be feminists?
>>84965595No one should be feminists.
>>84965595Men shouldn't be feminists in general. Feminism doesn't mean anything its just a fancy word for the women's rights movement all that shit about feminism is for everyone is bullshit. And why would you support more rights for a group of people that already has more rights than men?
No they should be Martyrs for a case of their choice. If you're not gonna get any pussy anyways might as well go out fighting.>Inb4 fedExplain why my logic is faulty without name-calling.
>>84965611>all that shit about feminism is for everyone is bullshitIt's a perfect example of the Motte and Bailey fallacy, so if you're ever arguing with a feminist that makes this argument, you can just namedrop the fallacy and win the debate.
Just saw an umpa loompa torta looking 5'7 towering over a 5'5 Hispanic dude, we need to go tip her over like a cow, that shit ain't right. It was in broad daylight in a parking lot mind you
>>84965595>feministsGet over it grandpa
>>84965595I'm only a feminist so I can beat the shit out of women
>>84965595"Feminist" men are the biggest larper of our modern time and they are just desperate for pussy and women validation. With the exception of faggots of course)
>>84965595Feminism is the belief in the conspiracy theory that the society you live in is a patriarchy, meaning that its social hierarchy is predicated on male power and women are subjugated and oppressed. So nobody should be a feminist, because it's wrong and this belief has real world harmful consequences, since it manifests in policies that violate men's right to fair treatment.
>>84967467>policies that violate men's right to fair treatmentWhat?Have you taken your schizo pills today?
>>84967514Affirmative action. It's not a hypothetical, it's something that was actually implemented in many institutions including the government, companies, and universities.
>>84967551If you're actually tilted over women being given an equal voice to men then you can go ahead and fuck off a tall building. Nobody will miss you. Affirmative action exists to promote equality and redress wrongs among marginalized groups that have been systematically persecuted in the past. Black people weren't allowed to vote in the US until 1870, and women couldn't until 1878. Black people were then still systematically and legally discriminated against until the 60s, and cultural stereotypes still effects decisions made today. Besides, it's not about women specifically, its about all sorts of groups.So, again, how the actual fuck are men being treated unfairly in society? How would you prefer to be treated? What changes would you make in your country to make yourself feel better?
>>84967594NTA>If you're actually tilted over women being given an equal voice to menIt didn't exist to give them an equal voice. It existed to achieve equity, not equality. Equity, meaning parity of outcomes. It's as if someone came in and decided that men going to prison more than women is wrong, so they gave way lesser bar for actions to be considered criminal to actions done by women. This is not equality. Equality is about equal treatment. If your policy discriminates against someone on the basis of their sex, you do in fact violate their rights.>Affirmative action exists to promote equalityNo, it existed to promote equity. Equality would mean fair treatment. Affirmative action is about explicit discrimination to achieve parity of outcomes. Which is a ludicrous goal to even pursue, because there are differences between groups, especially between men and women, especially when it comes to their personalities and dispositions.>groups that have been systematically persecuted in the pastNobody alive today experienced that discrimination.>Black people weren't allowed to vote in the US until 1870, and women couldn't until 1878If your grandpa harmed my grandpa, does it give me the right to harm you?>and cultural stereotypes still effects decisions made todayYou don't address it by explicitly violating people's rights. Two wrongs don't make a right.>So, again, how the actual fuck are men being treated unfairly in society?Again, affirmative action. It's not hypothetical, it's not some vague notion of systemic non-explicit discrimination, it's actual explicit discrimination. I don't care how noble you think your intentions are, you don't get to violate other people's rights. Your freedom ends where other people's freedom begins. There are also other aspects like the systemic discrimination in the justice system and the systemic discrimination in K-12 education, but those aren't necessarily germane to the discussion about the wrongs of feminism specifically.
>>84967594>So, again, how the actual fuck are men being treated unfairly in society?normal healthy male behavior stigmatizeddivorce lawsfamily courtthe entire concept of marriagefemale perpetrators given light/no sentencesviolence against men ignored or minimizedhypergamy normalizedmen expected to pay for everythingboys marginalized in schoolsetc etc
>>84967594Your false belief is by giving them preferal treatment, they'll do better. Reality has told us a different tale. Perhaps you were oppressed for a reason
>>84967594Found the male feminist
come on dont fall for it that fast
>>84965595Men categorically cannot be feminists because positioning yourself as a mouthpiece for women instead of allowing women the space to be heard is an inherently misogynistic and ostensibly anti-feminist thing to do. The closest thing to a feminist a man can be is a feminist ally.
