Currently reading Plato's Republic, only to find out that Plato was saying men and women were equals over 2000 years ago, and moids still found a way to keep women oppressed and domesticated ever since. Knowing this, I genuinely can't help but smile at what's happening to moids all over the planet right now.Let's be real: the weak, ugly, short, stinky, stupid, and socially inept moids among you were always going to end up filtered out the exact second women got an actual choice. This was ALWAYS true. Women just weren't allowed to act on it before. This isn't feminism doing something to you, this is just us having unlocked choice.You only have the crimes of your ancestors to blame for this, you know? Had men simply allowed women to pick their own partners, it never would have resulted in the abomination that is (YOU), instead, you would have had an appearance actually desirable to women. If you can't figure out how to adapt to that, you deserve to be alone.You're not unlucky. You're just what happens when nobody was allowed to say no for 2000 years.
>>85023981>I readYou got filtered
I'm not reading all that shit written by (you) but I can definitely tell you're an ugly ratfaced balding overweight man who 'became his own girlfriend'.
When you're done with the Republic wanna read Proclus and Iamblichus?
>>85023997All that reading ?Come on come one anons jsesus do better. This is nothing. i am not sayin anon is no rambling out of his asshole but it's not lot to real this is nothing ..nothing.
>>85023981Plato was a dumb simp. What the fuck do you think he knew about the time thousands of years ago?
>>85024011they caint read u need to use pictures
>>85023997Bye bye Moid! You're a genetic dead end if 30 seconds of reading is too much work for you.
>>85024011>>85024033Hi glaring newfags. Normally I'm opposed to spoonfeeding retards who arrived only today but since I'm in a good mood I'll do you a favor.https://knowyourmeme.com/photos/1038094-tldr-tldr
>>85024020Actually a whole lot, little retard bro. He accurately analyzed that there's a relationship between Barbarian tongues to the north of Greece and Greek and on their development (Indo-Euro languages).He also accurately described practices of neolithic Anatolia (esp. Catal Hoeyuk) when describing the ''Athens'' of the Republic.And much more. You've no idea what you're talking about.And to begin with he's fundamental to Western philosophy and developed the theory of the forms
>>85023981You seem to be a big fan of this Plato guy, you in favor of the proto-fascististic city Plato laid out in Republic? You do know that passage about women is followed up with Plato arguing for censorship on all poetry and art? You in favor of that too? Or is all what you took away from it Plato saying that women can be in leadership military roles if qualified and decided to make an asinine thread on /r9k/?Also Plato was a bitch I wish I could go back in time and fight that fucker.
>>85024040*Instert I was only pretending to be retarded meme*
>>85024044Wrong. Not all poetry, but only the frivolous kind. Proclus expounds on this in detail in his commentary.Also you wouldn't, Plato literally means broad. He was swole as fuck. His real name was Aristocles
>>85024050I very much doubt you were just pretending to be a clueless redditbook tourist.
>>85024051Yea and he was probably a little manlet. I'm 6'3 and strong as fuck, I'd put him in the dirt.Socrates too, that ugly bitch.
>>85024011it's not lot to read* this is nothing
>>85024042Am I supposed to be impressed? Archeology as a reputable science is a recent development, the earlier writings might as well be fan fiction or the Mormon Bible.
pspspsps she ps he laff
>>85024021Pictures like in preschool or pictograms man.
>>85024066Ok prove it>>85024073Yes. Be impressed
>>85024040This much text OP shitted out dos not deserve tl:dr at the end.Bro practice reading it's good for you.
>>85023981Very true, women have their work cut out for them to make up for thousands of years of dysgenic patriarchy.
>>85024073>reputable lmaoThe record changes every year, so do the interpretations. And yet it's a stubborn as fuck and has got extremely egocentric old farts clinging onto their outdated interpretations.And there's the problem: stratography and c-14 are fine but archaeology as a''science'' (which it isn't) is defined by its interpretations of the data. And that's completely subject to human failure. All the fucking time.
>>85024093It's quite hilarious when cretins like you wag your condescending finger whilst being completely unable to squeeze out a proper sentence in the first place. Do you even proofread the verbal drug-induced diarrhea you vomit up? Of course you don't.
>>85024087>foid immediately wants pics of someone after they say they're 6'3never changeAnd also to say Plato just wanted to censor 'frivolous' poetry is a bit of understatement. He was advocating for banning Homer, which is basically the bedrock for Greek culture. That's a bit more than 'frivolous'.
>>85024109I'm not the foid, retard. I'm Plato's strongest soldier.And Proclus reconciled it all in his commentary :)
this is what u think u see
this what reality
Yes men and women where equal until the concept of owning property came about. own a woman to make sure you're not raising another man offspring
"But we should just briefly mention how all other creatures came to exist; it won't mean prolonging the speech much, and we'll be able to judge ourselves to have given a more balanced account. We may take the following, then, as our account of this topic. Some men, once they had been incarnated, lived unmanly or immoral lives, and it's plausible to suggest that they were reborn in their next incaranation as women." - from TimaeusHate to break the news to you, but Plato didn't have the highest opinion of women.
>>85024105>condescending Who started it?
>>85023981>Let's be real: the weak, ugly, short, stinky, stupid, and socially inept moids among you were always going to end up filtered out the exact second women got an actual choiceI see ugly, short and retarded men walking around with their partners and kids all the time whenever I go outside. It's only intelligent and successful men who are always single (They are mostly Autistic). I see them in Church, they never have a partner. Yet I see some of the ugliest and dumbest men walking around with women.
>>85024124please provide a passage or tell me where to find it because I'm curious.
>>85024170Funny how you got hung up on that particular word and not you, yourself, being a retarded hypocrite. Anything else you want to impotently whine and flail over?
>>85024102Making big claims based on little data about the past is the surest way to recognize that the scholar in question is speaking bull. That's what I mean.
>>85024177procliginally
>>85024172They probably lack the "socially inept" part...
>>85024213procliginally2
>>85024199Yet that's all that archaeology does. Curious!
>>85024105Ok friend i did mistakes, i am sorry you had to decipher while reading.I even made better version for you:This amount of text OP shat out does not deserve tl:dr at the end.Bro practice reading it's good for you. Now>cretins like you wag your condescending finger>verbal drug-induced diarrheaI haven't insulted you once if you read my post with typo in it again. (this is you subconscious reaction i think) to any criticism or even suggestion, because you've been here forever and kinda lost touch with how people interact witch each other.Taking it way to personal. It's okay bro i will let it slide, hope you do better. and don't tell me this si too much text to read because it's fucking not
>>85024213>>85024220this seems like some expert level cope by Procluswhat book is this?
>>85024231The retard has to do this little gay internet meme cycle where if a post is more than 2 lines long, he has to post his gay little "tldr" meme, for gay little updoots, It's pure brainrot. Even more pathetic when people do the counter meme of calling the "tldr" tard illiterate for it and he gets upset about it.
>>85024246Proclus: An Introduction by Radek Chlup. I recommend it.And you're entitled to being wrong, Anon. The One blesses us all with our peculiar pursuits of the Good in what we deem good.
>>85023981Youre the one on the 4chan incel board instead of making tiktoks and fucking chad
>>85024259>reddit projectionClockwork, pottery, etc.
>>85023981>and moids still found a way to keep women oppressed and domesticated ever since.You can thank me for this. I am the most miogynist man on Earth.
>>85023981The flip is coming. You will live to eat your words. You're only protected by the zombie economy of debt and money printer go brrr. When the bottom finally falls out, the rubber band effect will snap back. It's inevitable.
>>85024269thanks, I've had Proclus on my to-read for a while, so I'll start with this. And I exaggerate my hate for Plato; in reality I'm a very big Platonist/Neoplatonist fan. It's just funnier to play the Nietzschean and hate on em.
>>85023981Plato was wrong about a lot of things
>>85023981Ugh, replied before reading and realizing this is AI slop
>>85024040>>85024170Oh lol i havent even noticed. Anon >>85024105 you are such a hypo.Shame on you really.
>>85024093your grammar is genuinely pissing me off holy shit kill yourself i can't believe people like you have the same rights as me
>>85024302You're welcome, Anon. I'm reading this rn. he reads very Perennialist-adjacent, but then I do consider myself a Perennialist and see the whole Sophia Perennis thing of the Renaissance as the rightful heir to Neoplatonism/Hermetism. He does a good job of highlighting how early philosophy and the concept of philosophy itself in antiquity was never necessarily bound up with a bloodless rationalism the way we'd understand it colloquially today. and that it in fact often included irrational (that is, supra-rational) practices and doctrines.Yeah, I get it. After all it's 4chan and trolling is more important (genuine opinion, no sarcasm).
>>85024379ok kiddo, tone it down a little.You are among other people now behave.
>>85024389Nice, I read that a couple years back. I'm a fan of Uzdavinys, I've read most of his major works. Philosophy and Theurgy in Late Antiquity is a good follow up to that. Next one I'll read someday is Sufism and Ancient Wisdom.I wouldn't call myself a Perennialist, but I don't inherently disagree with it. I just think authors in the field go a bit too far with the universality of philosophies/cultures sometimes and hand wave the very important differences, but I still appreciate guys like Guenon/Evola/Uzdavinys
>>85024297Moid. When it all crashing down, it's you, not me, who will be caught first in the whirlwind.
>>85024393Awwww you creatures think you're people? That's actually cute.
>>85024273Still only engaging in memes? Can you not see the simulacrum?
>>85023981>moids still found a way to keep women oppressed and domesticated ever since.Women agreed to patriarchy to control other women.
>>85024535Yes we are.We think, we feel, we express. We have needs, moments of laugh and sadness.We get angry as well as generous. Yes we are human beans. Are you dumb or something ?
>>85024633>Are you dumb or something ?guehh???
>>85023981> only have the crimes of your ancestors to blame for this, you know? Had men simply allowed women to pick their own partners, it never would have resulted in the abomination that is (YOU), instead, you would have had an appearance actually desirable to women. If you can't figure out how to adapt to that, you deserve to be alone. Foids shouldnt make this argument because you will overlook any shortcomings if a man has enough wealth/resources, don't act like you are innocents in this. Men, in many ways, hold other men to higher standards than foids themselves do.
I also love ""history"" without quotes, just say things but don't actual reference or quote anything.It's like Paul in the first century saying there's no difference between men and women, just take that out of context and therefore men and women are the exact same and equal in everything.
>>85023981For any non-foids who actually read, the Republic informs the modern playbook for the elite ruling class dominating over us:>"The wives of our guardians are to be common, and their children are to be common, and no parent is to know his own child, nor any child his parent." (Plato, Republic)>"We shall have to invent some ingenious sort of lots [klerous]... so that the less worthy may blame their own ill-luck and not the rulers." (Plato, Republic)>...these women, all of them, should belong in common to all these men, and ... none of the women should cohabit exclusively with any one man; the children, too, should be held in common, so that neither will any father know his own offspring, nor any child his father. (Plato, Republic)>>85024389Learning philosophy to spend hours on 4chan is comical.
>>85023981By plato's own logic that can't be possible since the forms of the genders are from different origin, how can they be equal forms in function? Either he's contradicting himself or didn't think the implications.
>>85024691>Learning philosophy to spend hours on 4chan is comical.how exactly?
>>85024716They aren't. He says that a woman can have the same 'nature' as a man when it comes to a specific job.
>>85024535>>850246601.Coat a baking sheet with olive oil to protect against potato stick-age.2.Clean your potatoes (I leave the peels on) and slice them into 1/4-inch-wide sticks.3.Soak the potatoes in hot water. (Remember, this step is worth it!)4.Drain and dry the potatoes with a paper towel or kitchen towel. Toss them with the remaining oil and spices until coated, then place them on the baking sheet in a single layer.5.Bake at 450 degrees F for 15 to 20 minutes. Use a spatula to flip the fries, and move them into a single layer. Bake for an additional 5 to 10 minutes, or until the exterior is golden brown and as crispy as you like. Sprinkle with some extra salt to taste.
>>85024686>Outing yourself as an illiterate who hasn't even read The Republic
>>85023981>only to find out that Plato was saying men and women were equals over 2000 years agoI just looked it up and he admitted they are weaker in every aspect. He was just a simp I guess
>>85024869You need to read the whole of the republic to understand the context of what he is actually saying.
>>85024836Why would I read Plato? At all? Have you read Herodotus' Histories? If I reference Herodotus, I would show what I'm refencing are you mentally ill? This is how history is discussed? Or do you get your information from youtube videos so you're used to things not being referenced... Oh... you're joking, I see.Because obviously you'd be mentally retarded to say someone is illiterate for not reading a specific historical document. oh you haven't read all of Josephus? Well obviously it says this and I'm not going to reference it.But yeah, you're pretending to be stupid so I'm wasting me time.
>>85024691You can blow me>>85024477Oh totally, I'm a very idiosyncratic Perennialist. Mostly Evolian, especially in the way he acknowledges primordial tradition but as suspended in history and subject to change. I like Guenon, but his whole school is too abstract in the sense that they live in models and seem to mistake the finger for the moon too often. And Schuon is mostly flowery language. And there are those nonce allegations.
>>85024691Manmade philosophy is perfect for 4chan, it's just as worthless and vain as the website.
>>85024932>Manmade philosophyAs opposed to? It's all manmade
>>85024914>Have you read Herodotus' Histories? Yes.>This is how history is discussed? The Republic is not history. It would be dishonest to pick out a qoute from it devoid of it's full context. You would not understand it without having read the entire text.
>>85025243It is history. Atlantis was real
>>85023981You make a mistake thinking it's you who's been granted the ability to choose, but this is wrong. Only chad has been given the ability to take his pick from the litter, don't act like you now have access to a sea of chads who would all say yes to marrying you, that right is reserved only for the best foids (who you are likely not among.) You will eventually have to settle for one of these undeseriable "moids" you seem to be laughing at. You might be allowed to pick a guy with better looks than the man you would otherwise have been shackled too, but I hardly think this is something to be arrogant about.
>>85025229It's a christcuck singaling that the Bible's philosophy is not manmande.
>>85023981If you're an equal, why are you oppressed in the first place? Pathetic lol
hi, this is moid.
>>85023981natural selection is stupid. it's what gotten many species extinct, because the females retardedly only selected for arbitrary sexual features. it's why the sabertooth tigers went extinct, the females kept choosing bigger and bigger teeth, until the species literally couldn't eat anymore. patriarchy is there to stop females from only choosing the most psychopathic and sociopathic males. if women were given mating choice 2000 years ago, the world would be absolute chaos and misery.
>>85026119>it's why the sabertooth tigers went extinct, the females kept choosing bigger and bigger teeth, until the species literally couldn't eat anymoreSource?
>>85026119>>85026130It's a dumb factoid thrown around, but runaway fisherian selection is in fact a thing. sexual selection can select for traits that are unadaptive.
>>85026130retard. exaggerated traits for reproductive success is evolution 101. asking for a source on this is like asking for a source on gravity
>>85026119*sexual selectionSelection by the environment vs. selection in the process of mating/reproduction its all in the wordAnd yes it's horrible if you want to look at examples of matriarchy and how that ended after thousands of years we can look no further than the Dinka tribe in Africa where all the men are 6'3 with health problems and all the women are 5'1 midgets because they kept on selecting for taller and taller men. Or that tribe in SEA that puts rings in their women's necks to make them bigger. Patriarchy is a blessing for civilization. Women's sexual selection is no different from random brownian motion for worthless traits.
>>85026119Damn every species has white women?
>>85026154No but the ones that do suffer a significant environmental fitness debuff and often are on tract for extinction. Pretty grim stuff
>>85026152Moving the goalpost, It was very clear I was asking for a source on that specific claim.
>>85026171the teeth getting too big wasn't the single factor that caused extinction, it was one of many factors, prey reduction, climate change, human activity, etc. my point still stands but here's a source since you're autistically hyperfixating on it>Randau M., Carbone C., Turvey S.T. & Evans A. (2013). Canine Evolution in Sabretoothed Carnivores: Natural Selection or Sexual Selection?, PLoS ONE, 8 (8) e72868. DOI: 10.1371/journal.pone.0072868.s001
>>85026119>natural selection is stupid. it's what gotten many species extinctRetarded argument as it's also made many species not go extinct.>because the females retardedly only selected for arbitrary sexual features. Way too broad of a claim if you are applying that to all species. Are you saying a spider foid has the same fundamental issue as a monkey foid when it comes to choosing mates?>it's why the sabertooth tigers went extinct, the females kept choosing bigger and bigger teeth, until the species literally couldn't eat anymore.Baseless claim. They starved because the pray they had evolved to hunt went extinct first.>patriarchy is there to stop females from only choosing the most psychopathic and sociopathic males. if women were given mating choice 2000 years ago, the world would be absolute chaos and misery.Another baseless claim.
>>85026214stfu retarded foid. you know damn well that you wouldn't go anywhere near any moid that isn't at least 6'3 with a dark triad personality type. your pussy literally doesn't get wet otherwise. is that really a world you want to live in? a world where every man is tall to an unhealthy degree, violent and possessive?
>>85026239Originally yes she does
>>85026239Yes I want to date the apex predator. Problem? Why would I want to be with the guy who falls prey to him? That just sounds like a bad survival strategy.
>>85026311Full circle lmfao
Bvmo.The retarded goycattle of r 9 gay NEED to see dis
>>8502631150-90% of females want to date the apex predator, which is less than 10% of all males at most. notice a problem here? and knowing that the 'apex predator' is a piece of garbage human being that won't settle down for any piece of fuckmeat, you'll either never get anything but meaningless sex from him, or he'll inject you with his psychopathic children that you'll have to raise and be tortured by on your own. the problem is that you have no long-term planning. "i want chad, fuck everything else".>Why would I want to be with the guy who falls prey to him? That just sounds like a bad survival strategy.my sister in satan this is literally cavewoman logic. we don't live in the prehistoric era anymore. also the best survival strategy is BY FAR empathy, cooperation, social cohesion, etc. it's what's allowed all these advanced and civilized societies to flourish so much, and now you want us to go back to you being raped and tossed to the side by monsters?come to think of it, it makes me feel bad for women. if i could only get horny by men who have disgusting behaviors, who step on the heads of everyone else to get on top, i'd be disgusted with myself. maybe that's what the feminist movement is about: women hate that they're turned on by things like rape, so they do all they can do pacify men and try to deny themselves, while at the same time liberating themselves and wondering "where have all the good (evil) men gone". there are fewer and fewer apex predators because of feminism, and the few ones that are left are even more psychopathic than ever before and won't settle with you. truly feminism is a nightmare made reality
>>85026363You'll never get through to her. She would rather have the whole world be a giant shitpile because fucking the guy at the top of the shitpile, even if she's just his 47th child concubine that dies in childbirth at 12, makes her pussy wet; that's all there is to it. Everything else is just a justification downstream of that.
>>85023981>You only have the crimes of your ancestors to blame for this, you know? Had men simply allowed women to pick their own partners, it never would have resulted in the abomination that is (YOU), instead, you would have had an appearance actually desirable to women. If you can't figure out how to adapt to that, you deserve to be alone.That's a dumb thing to say, the baseline for normal would just shift further up, the people below it would still suffer the same exact way and nothing would be different.
>>85026363>the problem is that you have no long-term planning. "i want chad, fuck everything else". Dangerous levels of cope. I want children that are maximum levels of desriable to the group at large. Sorry but that does mean intelligent, tall/strong and beautiful. Yet somehow this is "short-term" planning? Lol.>also the best survival strategy is BY FAR empathy, cooperation, social cohesion, etc.Moid, you do understand that even the dark triad men had to have atleast enough empathy to partake in society and raise their children to maturity if they wanted their bloodline to continue? You seem to think them nothing but violent apes.>he'll inject you with his psychopathic children that you'll have to raise and be tortured by on your own.Hilarious that you think this is actually real.What is it with loser men and thinking they have the moral highground over "chad" men? Stop projecting that just because women want them and not you they must somehow be evil.
>>85026610>You seem to think them nothing but violent apes.>Why would I want to be with the guy who falls prey to him? That just sounds like a bad survival strategy.Balright.Foid-hating digits continue to impress me once again.>>84999999nta so don't reply to me.
>>85026516You would, given the chance, gladly be that guy at the top of the shitpile with a massive harem of young fertile women to fuck though.It's two sides of the same coin, cease your hypocrisy.
>>85026610>i want a man that is intelligent, tall, strong, beautiful, dark triad, narcissistic, manipulative, sadistic, but also empathetic to partake in society and raise childrenthis absolute peak of man either doesn't exist or is absurdly rare. you are delusional, not to mention paradoxical. a man that gets off on causing harm to others will never raise children with you, but you'll let him manipulate you into believing he will because his sadism turns you on that much. and then you'll be tossed to the side again and again, until you become just another lonely wine cat lady. many such cases.>>85026660projection of the highest order. YOU want a guy at the top of the shitpile and be part of his harem. if some douchebag wanted to be that guy, he should be rightfully put in his place by a society that can't allow sadists to threaten the peace. men have had their violent urges be pacified, especially in the last few dozen years. wouldn't you agree that it's for the better? the world becomes a better place, but your precious apex predator becomes more and more elusive. or do you unironically want humanity to return to an apocalyptic and anarchistic world where women are seen as nothing more than property, as they have been in the past? you complain about men leading the patriarchy for thousands of years, yet you cling to those very thousands of years. are you a conservative foid wanting to be a tradwife? if so, i wouldn't blame you, in fact i'd say it's the right direction to take
>>85026735So what, at the end of the day hes attractive and has good genes and you have shit genes that you wont even get to pass. Its just natural selection moid. Deal with it.
>>85026363Wanting optimal genes and daying a litteral apex male so getting top notch genetics for kids (should you chose to have them) is long term planning.Also culling genetic garbage like incels is also a long term effort which will only benefit society at large and destroy the patriarchy
>>85027016>shit genes: reliability, stability, empathy, peace, cooperation, long-term thriving>good genes: high-risk, unstable, apathy, chaos, hatred, short-term intensityno you bottom of the barrel femcel, YOU have shit genes. the core of your being is working on an archaic bias that favors harmful genes. i look like chad but because i'm nice and quiet, foids see me as ruined potential. behavior is also tied to genes, you're attracted to evil behaviors and therefore reward evil genes. i wish for your sake that your despicable psyche is rectified so you no longer are forced to find evil men attractive.>>85027037dark triad males are not optimal genes, wtf kind of fucked up drug are you on? giving birth to kids that enjoy causing harm on others is so bad in the long term, not to mention the aforementioned apex male leaving you to raise said kids on your own. populating the world with only the most evil yet attractive men is a recipe for world-wide disaster. even now the oligarchy is rewarding only the most selfish and short-term centered people. humanity will likely end in less than a hundred years due to climate change and other complete lacks of foretelling. is a guy with the body of a model but the behavior of a saint "genetic garbage that must be culled"? you are a sick and twisted piece of garbage human being, no better than the psychopaths you fetishize. you'll get what you ask for; misery, abandonment, bitterness. exactly what evil men provide, especially to the evil women that pursue them.
>>85023981does the picture refer to the fact that women have an apple instead of a brain, and the whole thread is a post-modern hype?
>>85027105Don't worry incelbro. As a dark triad male, I will continue my activities. These haughty women think they accomplished something by arguing online. ROFL.
>>85027125this isn't the gotcha you think it is
>>85027125> dark triad maleretard detected
>>85026660And yet decent societies, the ones everyone wants to move to, that are responsible for most of the scientific and technological advancements, etc. are (or were) structured to avoid that by pairing people up. Don't worry though, you'll get what you want, the west is done. But, as it turns out, the guy on top of the shitpile is a 70 year old imam who'll marry you when you're 9, and he'll have you buried to the neck and your ears and nose cut off (eyes too if you were real bad) to be eaten alive by vultures when you talk back to him if you don't die in childbirth before then. Your ideal society is shit and produces nothing but misery 99% of the time for 99% of both men and women in exchange for making your pussy wet 1% of the time, and only in theory, because I doubt you'd feel the same in the position of a 9 year old married off as chattel. I doubt you even believe the shit you spew. You could have moved to ISIS controlled territory back in the day, or Afghanistan or some other place where women are chattel now. Polygamous societies just aren't competitive with monogamous ones; too much human energy gets wasted on struggling to be one of the few who succeeds in the zero sum game, rather than being directed into useful economic activity, which is positive sum. The only way they'll win is because social media has convinced the developed ones to commit collective suicide.
>>85027431It's very obvious this is your fetish lmao.
>>85026735>you are delusional, not to mention paradoxical. a man that gets off on causing harm to others will never raise children with youYes let's pretend that men that go to war or are soliders are incapable of raising children for some reason.>men have had their violent urges be pacified, especially in the last few dozen years. wouldn't you agree that it's for the better?I would not agree that his is true. But yes it's better if men are less violent (they arent).>or do you unironically want humanity to return to an apocalyptic and anarchistic world where women are seen as nothing more than property, as they have been in the past?No, I think men should be property. Preferably society should have a rate of 10 women for every 1 man.
>>85027445It's hers not mine lol. I think that she's based her worldview on it without looking at the kind of thirdie dumps that actually practice it.
>>85027105>giving birth to kids that enjoy causing harm on others is so bad in the long term,Retard. Can you stop operating on fake science? Being le "evil" is not a genetically inherited trait. I think you are yet to make one single scientifically accurate claim.
>>85027524>men that go to war or are soliders are incapable of raising childrenthey literally can't lmao, they die in war, come back with ptsd, get cheated on while their wife waits for absurd amounts of time. children need an active and present father figure. or do you really want to be a single mom that bad? that would explain wanting to be tossed aside by an apex predator>if men are less violent (they arent).they absolutely are less violent, at least those native to first world countries. what do you think incels are? they're pacified, living alone in basements playing videogames as outlets of their frustration. isn't that what you foids criticize incels of doing? or do you wish incels were taking out their frustration on you instead? that's almost romantic of you>men should be propertywhat happened to the whole "i want an apex predator" bullshit? men can't be the apex predator if women are the apex predator, retard foid. this isn't even idealistic according to your own desires and urges, you don't even know what you want.>>85027538>what is nature/nurturemental illnesses and behaviors are inheritable, that's common factual knowledge. you seem to have a problem with basic science, do you believe in a flat earth or something?
>>85027580>they literally can't lmao, they die in war, come back with ptsd, get cheated on while their wife waits for absurd amounts of time.Moving the goalpost again, seemingly your favorite thing.>they absolutely are less violent, at least those native to first world countriesOh wow! Men do not just go around commiting violence to members of their own tribe?! That's not new. Go put them in a warzone where they could kill and rape as they please and you would find nothing has changed. Surely you don't somehow think that the human genepool has changed so drasticaly that it's impossible? Nanjing was not even 100 years ago.>mental illnesses and behaviors are inheritableWell this convenient as it gives me a fantastic reason to avoid loser men.>what happened to the whole "i want an apex predator" bullshit?I would gladly trade that in for the utopia that would exist if moids were outnumbered 10 to 1.
>>85027664you don't know what moving the goalpost means you vapid cunt, you don't know shit. take the average modern incel and put him in a warzone, he probably won't even be able to lift a gun for more than a few seconds, let alone have the balls to rape anyone. he'll crumble in fear at the thought of being cancelled and jailed, that's how brainwashed they've been into being passive. every male is a loser male to you, which is why you indulge in your delusional 10 to 1 woman to male ratio garbage. and wouldn't that mean billions of women would be destined to be lonely and have their needs unfulfilled? your utopia is so abstract and delusional it has no tangibility whatsoever, it is merely the fantasy of a foid that has completely lost it. you so badly want to live in a world where men kill and rape left and right, because a man that kills and rapes IS what you perceive as a 'winner' male. you are a neanderthal, and you are scum.
>>85027733I'm honestly impressed by your delusion. You actually think men have somehow become incapable of acting on their urges if they were put in a warzone where they could rape and pillage as they pleased, especially that you seem to think an INCEL of all people would be extra resistant to abusing women if given the chance, come on, this is laughable. If they knew there would be no consequences for it they would, you know they would.
>>85027733Every single sentient person knows the female mind is lower than even the biggest down-syndrome retard. You shouldn't waste your time and energy arguing with them. Rather, play along with them until they get bored (and they get bored quite easily). Women speak only to get male attention lol.
>>85027793are you fetishizing incels? really? that's extremely pathetic, even for a femcel. you want a mouth-breathing skinnyfat incel to threaten your life while raping you? i knew women were into dark romance, but i didn't think it'd get this low. too bad the quiet majority of incels would desert the warzone at the first gunshot, even if they were explicitly told that they were there to kill and rape. you want to know just how docile incels are? go talk to the first nerdy quiet guy you see in public, if you see any. most incels are frustrated pacifists, your attempts at gaslighting them into being violent is just a projection of your depraved fetishes.
>>85027843So in short you do not think men capable of rape in warzones anymore? Noted.
>>85027856did your heart miss a beat from fantasizing about all those dirty violent incels abusing you? your sentence is broken. i assume you meant to say>you don't think there are men capable of rape in warzones anymore?that's not what i said. there definitely are men capable of rape in warzones (i'm sure you know all about them), what i argued for is that most incels have been so thoroughly domesticated that they would piss and shit their pants on the spot the moment a single gunshot would go off, let alone ever get themselves in a warzone in the first place. it's why there's so fewer young men going to war, or to jobs for that matter. if anything, in your 10 to 1 woman to men utopia ratio, the men you call 'property' would practically be incels. domesticated, docile, controlled: everything that makes your pussy dryer than the atacama desert. my god, what absolute torture it must be to be a woman. hopefully one day technology advances to a point we can rectify this entire clown show.
>>85023981>>85024320thank you i am glad i'm not the only one it's so retarded that people fall for this shit
>>85023981>WAAAAAAAAAA WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA I'M A VICTIM.You really expect serious minded people to expend any energy to argue with a worthless, victim mentality hole like you op. Amusing.:^) Modern femoids are so deluded.
>>85027916Why are you so obsessed with my pussy and assuming I have weird fetishes?
>>85023981this was written by moid handsstupid larp
Thank you for that based thread
>>85027105Apex males have optimal genes and beating up uggos, incels and inferior males into submission is optimal behavior. Scrotes shouldnt have any rights anyway much less non attractive ones.Tradwives are a patriarchal concept, women have no obligation to make or raise kids. That what men have to do
>>85029947Thats right, by natural selection laws you foids should be beaten, raped and brutalized, because you are weak as fuck, you dont deserve mercy or sympathy or any compassion because thats how nature works, I guess it cant be held, so sad, this dark and very violent jungle :)
>>85023981>Currently reading Plato's RepublicBased. I still resent you for being a woman though.
>>85023981>Plato's republicCouldn't get through it because I lack consistency. The dialogs are interesting to read and get involved in. But they are frustratingly retarded. The sophists had more of a point than Plato gives them credit for, which is why it bothered him so much.
>>85030286Blue eyed cats are freaky
>>85023981Gooning to this rn while imagining OP screaming the post's content at my face. Thank you foidanon.
>>85025780Women aren't just choosing from among men. They don't play your redpill hypergamy game. They choose community alone together, regularly, increasingly.
>>85032537Nobody cares about old hags in lesbian communes. I also guarantee most of them procreated with men.You're so foidyim-brained
>>85032550How many would take it back though, if they could? >Old. Nobody cares. Ah, you must be part of the tech elite that hope to again immortality and avoid this awful fate.
>>85032598What? Like, genuinely, nigga... what??
>>85032614One typo and you suddenly can't read? Not caring about the elderly is huffing copium that you won't get old. Maybe you mean to rope tho? You do you.
>>85032635I didn't even notice the typo. My what was directed at the huge fucking leap. You seem rly neurodivergent
>>85023981What did the weak, ugly, short, stinky, stupid, and socially inept moids ever do to you?You're victimizing them because of historical patriarchy. But of course, ur a foid who dinks with her hormones and not her sense!
>>85032669I hear the reading comprehension exams these days just confirm you can get the literal immediate meanings of 3 sentence paragraphs. I bet you did great at those.
What the ever living fuck are you guys smoking. This is simply a return to natural order. In nature not everybody gets to breed. Artificially propping up genetic dead ends like you "moids", whatever the fuck that is, is holding us back as a species. Let go, you lost. You can't force a woman to bear your children, and you can't convince one to like you with your shitty attitudes and world views. Guaranteed that the first person you reveal your inner thoughts to is going to run, if they have any sense. The only silver lining is that you're all going to fade into irrelevance over time.
>>85032703Your mind is truly an enigma, Anon
>>85026610>at least dark triad men have the empathy to partake in society and raise their childrenYou know what, you deserve it. If anyone has the best interests of women, it's the guy splitting his attention between 70 other women. 71 now, but you can be 72. You go girl, that'll show the incels. At least he's got the drive to improve and do better one day. What do you guys have?
>>85023981Anon, you sound like your hate will turn to love at any secondIt makes me think your type will be an opressive man that looks soft and tender from the outside, yet is a devil himself on the insideYou will not resist by that point when you see him and simply flatter before himIt happened countless times, and if you do resist and make him draw his gase away your body will cry out in agony <3That's just the way it goes girl, sadly all the theories are juuuuust there to prolong your agony
>>85032906Are you seriously looking at these websites for gold diggers as proof anon?Literally any regional groupchat will filter out 90% of these when they see him talking to other women
>>85024477>>85024044Kalos??? (oregano)
Lot of dudes here crying about not getting the 10 they rightly deserve, because she chose somebody else. The alternative is, what, arranged marriages? Now imagine that setup. How do you make it fair? What if you get matched with a 1?
>>85026610>What is it with loser men and thinking they have the moral highground over "chad" men? Stop projecting that just because women want them and not you they must somehow be evil.Still waiting for a moid to adress this. I know your entire coping strategy is built on this delusion.
>>85023981Plato didn't have to actually deal with the median woman saying what she actually thinks so he never got actual data on how retarded women are
>>85023981>Plato was saying men and women were equalsYes. He wss right.>moids still found a way to keep women oppressed and domesticated ever since. The opposite. Foids found a way to get scrotes to feed them and house them. Men are and have usually been the cattle in the deal.>Knowing this, I genuinely can't help but smile at what's happening to moids all over the planet right now. You're smiling at gender inequality but in favor of women>the weak, ugly, short, stinky, stupid, and socially inept moids among you were always going to end up filtered out the exact second women got an actual choice.So, men and women aren't equal in your view, then? Because you don't personally find them attractive because for thousands of years we've been conditioning society to never view men as having innate value. Because in all thr porn, we never see HIS face. Just his dick at best? And even then feminism finds a way to call being more valuable than men and having leverage somehow degrading?>Women just weren't allowed to act on it before.Not what women said. They were opposed to equal rights for a while, because they got much out of the exchange they had from men. Hence why they won't give up those same protections and privileges despite wordsmithing to call them burdens.>This isn't feminism doing something to you, this is just us having unlocked choice. Actually, it's both. Women have unlocked choice, and feminism won't let men unlock choice too, since to allow that would be to acknowledge that the "patriarchy" works both ways and moids were always oppressed.>Had men simply allowed women to pick their own partners, it never would have resulted in the abomination that is (YOU), instead,Objectively false. Women are incentivized, since eggs are more scarce than sperm, to select for bigger tails, even though it's detrimental to the health of the species. Picrel.>appearance actually desirable to womenNo, women's standards would just raise, the same as in other species.
>>85023981Yeah if only they had air-conditioned offices where women could check emails, go to meetings, and plan office parties all day 2000 years ago, womyn would've totally owned those moid chuds.
>>85033085>The opposite. Foids found a way to get scrotes to feed them and house them. Men are and have usually been the cattle in the deal. Ah right... Remind me which gender was historically nearly always considered "property" again?>You're smiling at gender inequality but in favor of women Very much so.>Because in all the porn, we never see HIS face. Just his dick at best?95% of the viewers are straight men>Not what women said. They were opposed to equal rights for a whileNow go ask women who actually HAVE equal rights if we want them removed.
>>85033000Moids don't select for good traits, only what makes their little pp hard.
>>85033264>doesn't even bother to give rebuttals to argumentsleast intellectually dishonest foid
>>85033264>Very much so.Then I hope you wont mind me smiling when women go back to being the cattle class.
>>85023981>Let's be real: the weak, ugly, short, stinky, stupid, and socially inept moids among you were always going to end up filtered out the exact second women got an actual choice. This was ALWAYS true. Women just weren't allowed to act on it before. This isn't feminism doing something to you, this is just us having unlocked choice. Women had the same choice then that they do now. The thing is, there is a finite number of men to choose from. Once all the Chads are married, all that's left is the rest of us. Nothing truly revolutionary has happened. Women competed over Chad then and they continue to compete over Chad now. There is no infinite Chad generator. Chad is relative. He represents the most desirable man with the most desirable amount of traits. If every man now became Chad then there would be no man greater than another, and therefore there would be no Chads at all. We're not being filtered. You're filtering yourselves with your own delusions.
>>85035282You NEARLY had it. The fact of the matter is that it's a Pareto distribution and nothing would change. Turn all men into chads now and women would still only pursue the top 20% with the 12' inch cock, 12 pack and the 12 figure income
>>85032537Lol, go join them then.
>>85035293So in conclusion, you moids should give up if you are not already close to hitting these genetic markers then WE DONT WANT YOU.
>>85035394Well no, that's exactly my point. There are no strict, set genetic markers. It's all relational. It's about percentages, not values.You'll always go for the top few percent. If you turned all 4 billion men right now into what the top 20% right now are then you'd adapt your selection to only go for the top percent of that new set.You're not very brightAlso who the fuck is ''we''? I do just fine and get more than decent attention.
>>85035415addendum: this is best illustrated by the experience of being in a social setting where women's choice is limited. Even if most men in that context would never be a viable mate choice for them outside the context they will go for the top percentage of that set. Seen it several times over. I remember being in a clinic where the pickings were especially slim and fucked 4 different women, 2 of which would've been out of my league outside.
>>85035415>You're not very bright>Also who the fuck is ''we''? I do just fine and get more than decent attention.Those that are not close to the genetic markers mentioned, are you dyslexic?
>>85023981if women and men are equalhow have foids been oppressed since they existed?this is the question that proves you incorrect.
>>85035502No? The "we" in that context includes you. "We don't want you". You speak for all women?
>>85035293>You NEARLY had it. The fact of the matter is that it's a Pareto distribution and nothing would change.This is exactly what I was describing.
>>85035394>So in conclusion, you moids should give upLol, where do you think you are? This is r9k. You're just kicking dead dogs at this point. What are you going to do next? Make fun of a homeless guy for being broke? A cripple for not being able to walk? Whatever you think men are doing to you, it's got nothing to do with us. We're not the ones in charge. We can barely run our own lives.
>>85035663>If every man now became Chad then there would be no man greater than another, and therefore there would be no Chads at all.No it isn't
>>85035754>No it isn'tYes, this illustrates the point that the value in a man is relative to his standing compared to other men. If every man is Chad then no man is Chad. Chad is the 20 in the 80/20 rule.
>>85035808... I just explained it to the other little idiot. If you magically pulled up the bottom 80% to the quality of the top 20% the same rule would apply again. So you'd have a new, more elite 20% women would go for.Are you trisomic?
>>85035829>NO FOIDS!!!! DO NOT RAISE THE BASELINE OF THE SPECIES!!!
>>85035870Not the point of my post.
>>85035870Unironically agree with that. You clearly weren't listening to other anons talking about fisherian runway. The traits females pick are useless to us at best (height) or detrimental at worst (narcissism). You mentioned iq somewhere here, but no, studies consistently show negative correlation between high iq and fertility rates. Deny it all you want, I'll trust the data. We're better off as a species without uncontrolled female selection tbdesu, but maybe some advanced tech could bioengineer females to be attracted to useful traits only (like muh heckin personality) and be happy.
>>85036065On top of that you oughta contemplate this: behavioral modernity has been a thing for about 45-50 thousand years. Anatomically modern humans aka homo sapiens have arguably been around for about 300 thousand years (Jebel Irhoud).Even the most primitive, isolated tribe in the highlands of Papua New Guinea regulates sexuality and uses the process of coupling to strengthen and establish bonds between families. This is usually done through the elders, I'm not even going to make an argument for patriarchy here because that's neither here nor there, not the point.Knowing this and from everything we know about human social cohesion, from sedentary people to hunter gatherers we KNOW that female sexuality has to and always has been regulated. Not just to maintain civilization. To maintain simple, tribal cohesion. No human culture without the subjugation of women.My point being that I think we can confidently say that the selection process for the past 300 thousand years hasn't been in the hands of women anyways. Meaning, for as long as we've actually been human women have never, ever done any selecting anyways. It's dubious if they even did the selecting in homo heidelbergensis populations 500 thousand years ago.And before anybody tries: those 17:1 reproductive figures for women and men respectively only occured in a limited timeframe at the beginning of the neolithic, when agriculture first came onto the scene.
>>85036065>fisherian runwayBecause it's a really low IQ argument. If we had uncontrolled female selection you are arguing like it's going to be the end of the species. But the reality of evolution is that we would eventually hit a 'equilibrium' state where if you are too large you just fucking die, so only those that are in the equilibrium state get to reproduce anyhow, Moids are the ones holding back human evolution because they fear the possibly of falling out of the genepool.
>>85036212Wow. Pathetic. Try again
>>85036217>4 WordsTry again insect.
>>85036263You try.
>>85036212>you are arguing like it's going to be the end of the speciesno>if you are too large you just fucking dieThat's what I actually implied. I said "better off", not "end of species". You're replying to your own fanfic of people's arguments instead of the arguments themselves because you lost confidence in your retarded position. Time to sage and move on i guess.
>>85036271Your parents didn't even try, why should I?
>>85035829>So you'd have a new, more elite 20% women would go for. >Are you trisomic?Yes, but theoretically, if all men were exactly the same, they would all be equally worthless. That doesn't contradict the pareto principle. It is true, irl, that if you actually tried to do something like this, that women would find some other tiny variable, some complete utter nonsense in men to hold over other women, that would then constitute another 20% top men, no matter how ridiculous it would be (like fiddler crabs preferring males with one big useless claw as big as possible), but I was speaking purely theoretically to illustrate that it's the separation that women crave, that without it, they wouldn't be interested at all.
>>85036617They didn't even try and yet I'm 160iq, handsome and tall. Imagine how terrifying it'd be had they tried, oh heavens
>>85036627Ok, gotchu. But I must say it's of no consequence to the argument, is it?
>>85036661>Ok, gotchu. But I must say it's of no consequence to the argument, is it?No, I think it's good to make the realization that men undistinguished from one another are nothing to women. It shows you what they really value.
I have a question, not that any of you are really qualified to answer I'd wager, but are men not biologically meant to be rapists? Not talking about what is "le good for social cohesion" etc, but rather if a male wants to choose his woman ("in nature") does he not do so by raping and impregnating her? Since men have the ability to impregnate infinte women it costs a man nothing to go around simply raping any woman he came across, atleast some of them would end up giving birth. So is the theory that this turned out to be a bad survival strategy because descendants of such a man were not viable (due to being too violent) when "group play" became the dominant survival strategy?
>>85036718What is nature? We've lived in bands and tribes for as long as we've been human. Rape was always punished, even and especially as a property crime.
>>85036718The thing is humans evolved from apes who already were doing group play.
