Genuine question. Why are so many men comfortable with abandoning their children? This is not a small percentage of men. I remember going to a summer camp that my father worked at and was informed I was the only child with a present father. My father gave up a college just so he wouldn't have to move away and see me more. It's like an alien concept to me.
Oh, are you not aware? That men are extremely emotionally stunted because they aren't allowed to feel emotions and this manifests itself in many ways including but not limited to being absent in their children's lives? No?
>>85128113There was nothing comfortable about it and all his mother had to do was not be a psycho. Had no interest spending 18 years dealing with false allegations and legal issues. I was already broke after two years of custody lawyer bills. So fuck off. God I hate women
Lack of fatherly intuition. Or maybe the mother is preventing the father from seeing the child which does happen. Overall not an issue you can just generalize, lack of father figures happen for many reason but I will say the destruction of family values in Modern America is a big part
It's a mixture of low empathy, only valuing women as mothers, and control. Having a "baby mama" is a brag for some men and doesn't shrink their dating pool. Basically sex and reproduction are seen as degrading for women yet if you don't do it you still get shamed anyways.
>>85128113Fatherhood is an invention. Originally men abandoned the women after impregnating them, the women returned to their families and would raise the children by themselves, with the childs uncles playing a fatherly role to them. Forcing men to be fathers is unnatural.
>>85128126Then stop having unprotected sex if you aren't emotionally ready for a child. Or does accountability only apply to women?
>>85128156This must be your siscon cuck fantasy, anon
>>85128160Sorry I don't take accountability I blame the systems that be, like you all do
>>85128113So weird that women are genius Social Darwinists that only pick good men but then they get ran out on after getting knocked up.
>>85128156It really is another broken Christian/religious concept much like women are only supposed to be with one man and men shouldn't fuck each other in the ass and all the other shit humans aren't capable of..
>>85128156Children raised without fathers have psychological issues that children raised with fathers are less likely to have. Men also have physiological effects when raising kids, which would be useless if they did not have a predisposition for it.
>>85128164Nothing cucky about it since the uncles would do the same thing to different women
>>85128138Maybe you should take accountability for choosing the wrong woman. Now your son has to deal with the psychotic bitch you chose to impregnate during his formative years. Congrats for subjecting an innocent human to your mistakes.
>>85128197I am taking accountability. I know exactly why I was drawn to her. How about you? How have your relationships been? Pretty good?
>>85128138these are the type of men who go on female abuse victims pages and say they deserve it for "choosing wrong"
>>85128113Modernity stripping the father's control over their children while being expected to be good little provider slave plays a role in my guesstimation.Don't like that your son develops into a reddit type nu-male and want to change him for the better? Tyrannical patriarch scum trying to create another evil patriarch.Don't like that your daughter becomes sexually active by age 13 with guys much older than her and want her to stop? Tyrannical patriarch scum who wants to control your sexually liberated daughter.Not to mention that many women also select a partner for physical attraction and financial status instead of paternal instincts.
>>85128217Wtf are you talking about? That has nothing to do with me
>>85128203I'm a virgin sleeping well knowing I didn't create a person who will have lifelong abandonment issues because I wanted to fuck just anyone like an animal, so yeah.
>>85128236>lifelong abandonment issuesIt's not the 50s anymore grandpa
I automatically look down on people who abandon their children. My grandfather was subjected to that and he had mental issues his entire life that led to him becoming a NEET at 70 years old and refusing to contact anyone or meet his younger grandchildren. My time was stolen because someone treated their human like an optional relationship.
>>85128113Women can abort their children wheneverMen are expected to deal with it of she accidentally gets pregnant25% of women try to commit paternity fraud
>>85128228>Don't like that your daughter becomes sexually active by age 13 with guys much older than her and want her to stop? Tyrannical patriarch scumGen Z hates pedophiles more than millenials did, parents get routinely praised online from defending their children against predators especially with the internet being infested with them. These are just a list of excuses for not seeing your offspring and then getting mad when they don't want to take care of you when you randomly pop into their life after their mom did all the struggling.
>>85128262Id love the data if you have it. The rate of paternity fraud is likely higher than anyone wants to admit. But I somehow doubt it's fully 1/4 of women attempting it. As to OP, some dads suck. My dad wasn't really in my life despite us living in the same home. He used to rough me up if I got bad grades but otherwise was emotionally absent. Shit sucks.
It must be so fun being a moid you can knock up any bitch and eat pizza chill while she is on the verge of death birthing your child, struggling to make ends meet and crying at the kitchen table every friday night while you live your life because you "aren't ready" for the child you created, and get to see them when all the work is done.
>>85128113>Why are so many men comfortable with abandoning their children?because we have abolished all the social norms that used to make fathers stick with their kidsdon't get me wrong, casual sex has always existed but it came with the notion that you weren't exactly the model citizen if you did it, it was proper etiquette to only have sex with someone you truly loved so having a kid with be a blessing rather than a problem you want to avoid
>>85128240Children raised by single moms are at a higher risk for basically every bad thing that could happen to a person. Addiction, poverty, abusive relationships, etc.
>>85128297As if she ain't the one chilling with her multiple new partners and multiple child support payments. Stop posting retard
>>85128228Abandoning your children just ensures that your child ends up as one of the things you listed.
>>85128323Now ur just describing black ppl. Just stop
>>85128297Knocking girls up is a way to make yourself permanently poor or end up in prison as a dead beat dad. Men have to be really careful about sex until they're married. Meanwhile a distant cousin of mine has causal hookups with randos and she has 4 kids with 3 baby daddies and is living a comfortable but unglamorous lifestyle on child support payments from 2 of the baby daddies while shacking up with the third baby daddy.
I feel like this thread is full of pre teens with zero life experience
>>85128344>Men have to be really careful about sex until they're marriedA piece of paper is the new male savior? Ur just a fucking child. Stop posting
No. Men who are solely raised by women have greater issues with emotional regulation. This is not exclusive to black people, it's just more noticeable because they abandon their kids so fucking often.
>>85128278Cool story, many 13 year old girls are still getting sexually active with guys that are 5+ years older than them. The pearl clutching and virtue signaling online means nothing in reality.The loss of control fathers have over their children has been a huge problem, which none of you want to address since you categorize control by default as something inherently toxic and abusive.>>85128329True, but out of sight, out of mind.
>>85128354>emotional regulationZoomers need to stop with this retarded phrase that don't mean shit
>>85128360>out of sight, out of mindThings only a father could say.
Is someone here mad that their whore mother can't hold down a relationship???
>>85128360>Cool story, many 13 year old girls are still getting sexually active with guys that are 5+ years older than them. Cuz most dads don't give a fuck about their daughters even if they're present. My dad has 3 daughters and none of us slept around with older men in our teens because we were taught better. The teen pregnancy rate has also gone down significantly which is why the birthrate is lower.
>>85128295I'm having trouble eith my internet connection at the moment but I'm pretty sure the data is that 25% of paternity tests taken indicate the child is not the father's. Which includes issues like paternity tests are more often taken when there are already doubts and the fact that hospitals have completely swapped newborn babies between couples before. Also statistics are worse in countries like france, and vary from place to place.
>>85128379Men really think not having access to pussy means there is no point in talking to their children.Then they cry about being alone and ignored in old age being treated how they treated their family in their prime
Most of the stats of sexual abusers are fathers so idk why tf anyone would want one of those ppl in their life
>>85128382>>85128228>Not to mention that many women also select a partner for physical attraction and financial status instead of paternal instincts.
>>85128345Genuine question, why do men get a million excuses and asspats for knocking women up with children they don't care about but women get branded eternal sluts and abusers if they are not the perfect single parent.
>>85128405Your tangent gas nothing to do with my post. Maybe you clicked on the wrong one. Maybe ur retarded. Maybe ur parents are siblings. Wtf do I know
>>85128418I literally don't know anyone in this position that you just made up in your head. Maybe take it up with your lying cheating manipulative whore mother
>>85128326Child support doesn't make you rich and having a child actively robs you of free time/career progression.
>>85128435I don't have an absent father but there are absent fathers in this thread getting aggressively defensive about the fact they refuse to talk to their 10 year olds who sit with empty cards on Father's Day.
>>85128326Niggers really think they should be able to just ruin any woman's life with pregnancy and have zero consequences
>>85128435>Maybe take it up with your lying cheating manipulative whore motherIs this a rehearsal for what you'll say to Timmy when he asks why you won't give him a Christmas gift this year?
>>85128418>why do men get a million excuses and asspats for knocking women up with children they don't care about but women get branded eternal sluts and abusers if they are not the perfect single parent.Because women are the ones who decide who they get into bed with. The crux of the issue are women who select for men who are untrustworthy and display virtually zero paternal qualities.I'm guessing you are some teen girl who is mad at her dad for neglecting her. Word of advice: Choose your future partner better if you don't want your children to suffer the same neglect you suffered through.
I have kids and I'll be in their lives until I'm dead. I grew up without a father and it's shit. My dad never got a chance because my mum literally moved countries with me.
>>85128138I take men who say they have a crazy ex with a grain of salt because half of the time they did some shit in the relationship they refuse to take accountability for.
>>85128113Women select for men that won't be present.
>>85128517>they did some shit in the relationship they refuse to take accountability for.Such as?>drumroll
>>85128486I grew up with my father he has ADHD and grew up fatherless/poor and never abandoned me which is why I despise when men use mental health issues to justify abandoning their kids. It would be more honest to say you don't love them enough to keep contact with them.
>>85128517How interesting, i think the exact same way about women who say they had to deal with an """"""""abusive"""""""" ex. One can never trust a woman's words since they're all lying bitches
If I found out my boyfriend had kids he doesn't contact, I would immediately break up with him. My cuck mother stayed with a man like that and I had to empty my entire savings account because his wages got garnished from child support (he produced the child while cheating). My life was delayed for years because of my mom's mating selection.
>>85128569I know you're saying this to hurt me but I already know this is the mindset of the avg moid. That's why I'm celibate. I don't envy you breeders.
>>85128544>which is why I despise when men use mental health issues to justify abandoning their kidsAnd how does this relate to what I wrote...?
>>85128583>I know you're saying this to hurt meHe's saying this to let you know that the animosity and distrust is mutual, dumbass. But unlike foids, men have much more reason to feel that way nowadays.
>>85128616>it's mutual yeah because men's hatred of women is a brand new discovery that we are completely unaware of and not reminded of constantly since the day we were born, thank you captain retard>But unlike foids, men have much more reason to feel that way nowadays.pro-life men will actively laugh about women being "punished" with pregnancy and single motherhood while expecting me to care about the child support system. shove it up your asshole.
>>85128616It's honestly amazing how much that one phrase about leftist discourse also applies to women. This chick has to be like 15 (if it's even an actual chick)
>>85128637Lol right, pregnancy causes a plethora of issues (scoliosis, tooth loss, bladder issues, etc.) that is basically treated like a non issue because of how common pregnancy it is. So why the fuck do we have to care about men's issues when they don't even care about ours? Women are expected to be endlessly compassionate and selfless while men can be selfish victims. Fuck that shit.
>>85128637>>85128659Troon hands are writing these, y'all are just falling for obvious troon bait. I fucking hate y'all, /r9k/ used to be so much better than this
>>85128486>>85128657Insisting that someone is underaged because you don't like it when your own accountability stick is pointed in your direction lol
>first im 15>now im a troonI'm neither of these things but it's funny how you're so desperately coping because you're not getting asspats for not raising your child.
>>85128113r/K strategy
>>85128616Yeah yeah women have perfect lives 0 problems and men are always victims while women are solely responsible for everything we heard it before.
Women want to get knocked up by chads who don't want to stick around. That's what happens when you only find absent men who don't want to settle down sexually desirable until you're 40 and desperate.
>>85128709Does that mean most black men are Chads?
This thread just solidified me not having sex until marriage. Imagine being pregnant and some guy pussyfoots around saying "Uhhh, I don't wanna be a dad I'm not ready, also I'm going to tell everyone you're my crazy ex who chased me away from the child". What a nightmare honestly.
>>85128637>yeah because men's hatred of women is a brand new discoveryNot my fault that women are just terrible people all throughout history, sweaty.>pro-life men will actively laugh about women being "punished" with pregnancy and single motherhood while expecting me to care about the child support system. shove it up your asshole.Yeah it's hilarious when consequences are forced to meet accountability. Was about time you retarded whore lmao.>>85128657>This chick has to be like 15You can easily tell its a biofoid instead of a tranny by the fact that she acts like a retarded toddler lmao.>>85128708Glad you finally concede to reality foid. I know it's difficult for your ilk.
>>85128726In womens' eyes, yeah. The more animalistic, the more arousing
>>85128742>WAAAOW LE HECKIN TRAD WIFE???
>>85128699Nigga i don't even have kids. No one on 4chan does. What point are you making? You're shouting at clouds. Why aren't you going out with your friends? Why aren't you spending time with your loved ones or watching funny videos on YouTube? Why are you here? What good does it do to you?
>>85128113Fatherhood is a creation of the patriarchy, it's unnatural, harmful and restrictive for women.
>>85128742Tradwife, save me... Save me, tradwife...
>>85128761>Yeah it's hilarious when consequences are forced to meet accountability. Was about time you retarded whore lmao.Then don't cry on 4chan about becoming your baby mama's paypig. You asked for it. Wrap your dick up or shut the fuck up.
>hehe when these moids read how a wholesome tradwife gets disillusioned by them, they will totally dance to my tune! I'm an ebin genius manipulator!
>>85128790This, weren't women the ones who kept saying we don't need fathers? Why is it our responsibility to care for you and your kid now when daddy government can provide all you need?
>>85128138That's what you get for fucking a psycho Stacy. Let's pray your son doesn't pay for your slutty behavior and bad mating selection.
>>85128809Are you always projecting this much? By any chance, are you one of those foids who get pumped & dumped by Chad and then come to r9k to complain about us men being assholes, as if this place is full of guys like the Chad who dumped you?
>>85128815I don't want to date any moid who browses 4chan. You're safe.>>85128783I could ask you that question you've been arguing about the existence of deadbeat fathers for several hours on a weekday.
Since some federal changes, the man no longer has the ability to establish dominance over household affairs. Given the maligned nature of the prole, often we found that this dominance was corrupted from executive decision making to ego-centric wife-and-child beatery after hard days at the ball crushing factory. As such, the state replaced the husband as the executive in their own household. Women leverage this shrewdly, men recognize it unconsciously, and so they leave. Humans are very good at figuring things out on their own, bit like cats. So then it goes. Besides, who needs a dad when you have Batman or Bobby Baratheon?
>>85128832Femcels will never not be sad and shallow LARPs. You wish you had the edgy swagger of incels so badly.
>>85128113Why do foids breed with psychopaths?
>>85128840I'm a virgin. Again you cannot argue with me without making up false information on an anonymous person. You're genuinely pathetic.
>>85128113It's a byproduct of the feminist movement. For years and years women have been told to never settle so even after getting married and popping out kids she will continue to looked for "a better man" and will leave her husband the second she thinks she found him. She will then spend the rest of her life blaming the failed marriage on her ex and gaslight her kids into thinking he was the bad guy.Hell I bet there are several people in this very thread who got gaslighted by their mom into thinking their dad was a piece of shit
>>85128846>I don't want to date any moid who browses 4chan. You're safe.And no decent guy wants to date a foid who browses 4chan. You're safe from a happy future :)
>>85128113I wonder the same thing. Basically every man I graduated hs with is an absentee father
>>85128138You shoulf kill yourself immediateIy little faggot, you're no better than a nigger
>>85128867>I'm a virgin. Again>>85128773
>feminism bad also when women had problems before feminism most of us did not care Hm.
>>85128892I'm not offering my virginity to you nor do I expect praise for being a virgin. I answered a question. Stop being so damn emotional.
>>85128895I knew you were a negress the moment you bitched about single motherhood kek
>>85128869I have about as much empathy for men post-feminism as men did for women's issues pre-feminism. Make of that what you will.
>>85128903>I answered a questionAnd I don't believe your answer. Which you would've picked up on were you not fucking dim in the head.
>>85128916>feminism is totally not about revenge btw
>>85128908My father is present unlike yours. Don't you have interracial porn to spam?
>>85128921I'm autistic, not dim. >And I don't believe your answerThat doesn't make it false but okay. You just seem extremely angry and bitter person. I'll let you be a cunt in solitude rather than ruin my day.
>>85128950>I'm dim, not dim.Alrighty then.
>>85128113I honestly have no IdeaI figure back before welfare its because your so broke and poor and overbearingly shameful that people just skipped town to escape it, but I dont know why anyone does it now
>this threadI'm OP I didn't realise this would be a dumping ground for baby mama/daddy drama and gender war spam. >>85128143Thanks for giving an actual concise answer. That's all I needed really if you want to continue arguing with mentally ill people below this post feel free to waste your time. I'm going to play minecraft.
>>85128956>autism makes you dimThe most dim-witted post on this fucking thread and that's an achievement in itself.
>>85129026Contrary to what your parents and psychologists told you, you are a fucking retard, autist.
>>85129032>you are a fucking autist, autistdamn you're still showcasing your low IQ we get it already
Dec 5 is my last child support payment. What the hell am I gonna do with an extra 445 dollars every month..
Zoomer niggas will spend 10 hours a day arguing on 4chan with bots and then wonder why they're behind in life
>>85129048>>you are a fucking autist, autistGlad you acknowledge autist and retard are synonymous with each other.
>>85129068Spamming slurs because you have nothing of value to share is low IQ behavior.
>>85129058Why not give it to your actual kid as an allowance
Having a present father is going to be a symbol of prestige in the next 10 years due to the normalisation of single motherhood since the kids are either dumped on the woman against her will or held hostage by the woman 90% of the time.
>>85129076 (me)This is my first day on 4chan btw
>>85129085Where did all the money go for the last 18 years?
>>8512910110 years? It literally is now. 2026 Father's day posts constantly got bombarded with fatherless niggas traumadumping on people with fathers. It is SO annoying. I'm not responsible for your dad being a soulless slut. I don't even go on the internet on Father's Day because it becomes a public therapy session and I'd rather spend that day appreciating what I have.
>>85129138You are really bad at ragebaiting. You don't even give a fuck about this issue(non issue)
>>85129154Look at this absent father giving anons more attention than his blood child. I should be flattered.
>>85129194Bodied that nigga
Does this retard actually think she talks to single dads in this thread?
I am way too immature to be a good father figure. and the mother didnt want me to wear a condom. probably because she wanted me to stay with her. My parents have to help me pay child support bc i literally cannot find a job. She knew that Iwas a loser and she reproduced with me because she wanted to fix me. If i can get a college degree and a good job then i will live with my child and the mother. Idk about marriage because she's pissed at me but it does seem really weird to live with a woman and raise a child with her while not married
>>85128113Kill yourselfOr maybe choose a man that wouldn't do this
>>85129255>Or maybe choose a man that wouldn't do thisImpossible! She already demonized any man who doesn't fit her narrow criteria of attraction as just as terrible as the Chads who don't care about supporting her and her kids.
>>85128742Congrats you're a trad girl. If only majority of women were like you we wouldn't have the curse of sexual liberation. May you find a good partner in future.
>>85129214R9k isn't a niche board. There are all sorts of normalfags here. You're an oldfag who is stuck in 2015.
>>85129255Erm ackshully chud, women don't have sex with guys with bad personalities
>>85129252>she didn't want to wear a condomThen you don't fuck her simple as. Unless you were held down and raped/threatened into sex you did this to yourself.
>>85128113>I remember going to a summer camp that my father worked at and was informed I was the only child with a present father.I feel like you misunderstood someone telling you that you were the only child with a father that was currently at the camp.
>>85128113The most important thing a man does for his children is choose their mother and most men are desperate simps that choose piss poorly just to get their dick wet. So naturally the situation implodes when he can't deal with the psycho bitch anymore. It's not really complicated women worth dealing with are never lonely. Most people with fucked up loser parents are just too ego fragile to admit they're in the dysfunctional demographic.
>>85129368Heat of the moment. And i'm not defending my behaviour. Thats just the truth
>>85129384No because she said I was lucky to have a dad and people were traumadumping about how their fathers don't speak to them. Probably some of them had present fathers and she was exaggerating but fatherlessness was not a rare event.
>>85129401If my dad abandoned me for like 20 years and ranted about "my psycho bitch mother" being the reason he never called me on Christmas, I'd tell him to go fuck himself and never contact him again.
>>85129470>If my dad abandoned me for like 20 years and ranted about "my psycho bitch mother" being the reason he never called me on ChristmasI kid you not that's exactly what happened to me. Just with the caveat that I also blame my mother for having chosen a guy like that to reproduce with.
>>85129470>>85129489I mean the child resenting the guy for retarded life choices is to be expected and a normal appropriate reaction. but OP asked why it be like that and there it is. Shouldn't be surprising some dude that knocks up some wacko bitch would be selfish and unattentive to the child. Most people think like a dumb teenager their whole lives and don't actually think anything through. People with caring present parents that "can't imagine someone being like that" should count themselves lucky for living a sheltered life unaffected by how many arrested development douchebags are in the world and grief people go through surviving the dark sides of humanity.
>>85128113Here's the deal: humans, like most animals, have this thing called r/K selection, every species and in the case of humans, every individual, lands somewhere on this spectrum.r-strategists: Prioritizes having many offspring with many different parters, investing very little effort in each of them.For a man, this is the pump and dump kind of behaviour. Find a female > get her pregrant > abandon her when the child is born > find a new female > get her pregnant.Examples: rats, niggers.This is why africans have so many children. The men basically just go around empregnating women and then abandoning them. This is also why black men in the US have a stereotype of abandoning their children.K-strategists: Prioritizes fewer offpring with few partners, spending their whole life raising, protecting and taking care of them.The lifelong monogamous kind of person. 1 partner for life, few children, high effort in raising them.Examples: elephants, white people.The problem with women is they fucking love the r-strategist man, abusechad, who pumps and dumps them and then leaves.
>>85128352Huh? It's literally illegal to not pay child support in my state. It's a criminal offense. As in, they can be arrested and go to jail. And this does occur from time to time. It's also not that hard to get child support ordered. There's a whole special family court system to ensure men pay women.. I mean.. to ensure kids are provided for
>>85128167They are horny sluts first and foremost.
>>85130194retard moid. how much do you think is left over from child support payments? it all goes to the kid or the kid dies
Men are punished legally for wanting to see their kids and the state still gives mother's automatic primary custody and child support, femcels will screech but kids are just as much collateral to them also.
>>85130329Retard jeet, child support payments are based on income, I know a guy that pays $1000 a week, I know for a fact raising a child doesn't cost anywhere near even 1000 a month unless you are putting them in a preparatory school, plus alot of mothers get welfare/food stamps
>>85129970>Examples: elephants, white people.I think asian people are a much better example of this.
>>851281131) shitskins are the ones abandoning their children, because they are low IQ and don't have access to abstract thoughts (muh dick and muffugah bix nood aren't abstract thoughts)2) whites don't, because obviously they are the superior race and understand what having an offspring means3) single mothers lie and game the system to hurt their ex husband and take their child away
The men that abandon willingly are retarded, but many men don't get a choice.
>>85128113Women don't get it's not abandoning the kids it's abandoning them that we're fine with. We just can't stand you so much we have to ditch the kids to get away from you. Not even trying to be mean but as someone with kids the worst part of having them is having to interact with my ugly ass ex wife every time I go to pick them up.
>>85130606This is a good point also, If I could sneak a phone to my kid and just avoid the cunt ex entirely I would desu
>>85130649Shouldn't you be using a reaction imagine of Konata's dad considering you are a father?
Most people--not just men--only have kids as a collateral consequence of having sex. They don't really want kids, so they treat them as a burden. The fact that women have aborted their own children in the tens of millions ought to make that clear.It's honestly really fucked up how backward people are about sex and children, because the sole purpose of sex is to make babies. I don't think anyone should be having it unless they want kids with the person they're fucking.I've been celibate for nearly decade and a half because I see no point in sex unless I can find a woman worthy of being the mother of my children. I genuinely really want kids and to give them an amazing, loving home, because my parents were abusive fuckups who each abandoned me as a teen.
