>>85163655
3, all gfs. One even sent me some videos. But I don't really date like slutty women like that and I have NEVER asked for nudes as I think it's cringe. But I have take sort of sexual photos when we are together, but tasteful ones. I didnt really masturbate to them except for one video one sent, I just find it really nice to look at (mostly my own photos). It reminds me of good times and how beautiful/hot I found these girls.

>>85163655
I'm not a robot - fucked three real biofems
But two of them hated nudes and were super strict about that
But I had a FTM fwb last year and she (yes I won't say he, she still had pussy and tits) was kinky as fuck and sent me tons of nudes on snap, including playing with sex toys
Wish I saved them
Still got a couple of short vids of me fucking her doggystyle tho
Actual gfs are very strictly anti-nude tho

>>85163655
Three have. One was a high school gf, one I met off a fetish site, and one I met via instagram. I did a lot of camsex with the girl from instagram, it was quite fun.

No one has ever sent me nudes but a naked girl walked into my room once

I dated a trans woman and she sent me tits and ass pics at random. I learned not to open messages from her when I was at work

Cis women think sex and sexuality are forms of rape so they won't generally do this

There is a reason so many men became chasers, trans women are just better in many ways. They come with a shitload of problems though so I can understand the fear

>>85163759
Holy fuck imagine trying to brag about dating a menttally ill monstrosity that mutliates their own body, FUCK

>>85163655
OP: a woman hasn't even sent me a "Good morning!" in my entire life.

Getting a nude picture from a woman (that is interested in me) is pure fantasy.

>tfw there are nudes a girl posted on here back in 2014 or 15 for my bday and I am unable to find them in the archive

ive tried, fuck they were decent, she did multiple and exactly what I said.

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>>85163655
Yeah, man. I also have sex like all the time! With lots of different women!

>>85163813
If you understood that as "bragging" maybe you should try a trans woman, sounds like you're more into it than you want to admit to yourself

I prefer cisgender women for a number of reasons but I had to give it a try and I can see why a lot of guys prefer it. Maybe you will too!

>>85163999
>a lot of guys
lol yeah sure
The real world is much bigger than r9k, bro, come on
>Maybe you will too!
Nah my latina gf is good enough for me. She's a real woman and hasn't mutilated her body or hormones, she is a real woman. So I don't have to cope and pretend to live in a fantasy world unlike you. I pity you, I really do. Damn. Come on man, you can do better, please. I know it seems hopeless now, but.... just keep trying. You can change things. You can achieve what you want and get a real woman someday, trust me.

>>85163655
Can i genuinely ask, why do nudes mean so much to you guys? Is it just the gesture of "the girl likes me so much that she wants to show her body to me", or is there more?

Reason i ask is because, if that was the reason, then why is Onlyfans a thing? Those girls don't care about you and don't want to show you shit, you are paying them for it. More importantly, if you want to see literally any public figure naked, you can probably find her nudes leaked with 1 google search. Or, just look at some of the quintillion other free porn materials out there. OR photoshop her nudes, it's very easy, especially with Ai being a thing now.

I genuinely am curious about this moids, what is your reason why nudes are so important and desirable?

A previous gf had an onlyfans and woukd send me nudes, that were posted on onlyfans. I was like wtf I don't want these either don't send anything or make one for me. I never asked for nudes but she'd send them. Her logic being "I put heaps of effort into these photos and j look my best". Female logic lol. Unsurprisingly we broke up.

>>85164049
I never got one, nor I have ever paid for porn/erotic content, but it's must feel really nice that a girl trust you so much that she sends you that kind of stuff.
It's intimate and hot, and shows trust and willingness to make you happy, what can't you understand about it?
> But you can look at porn
Seeing that side of a woman you know doesn't compare to any of that, like I imagine something similar from a man you like would also feel far more special.

>>85164049
For me it's just the thought and gesture of it. I've never asked for nudes but getting sent one shows she likes me, is sexually interested in me, plus it's incredibly sexually exciting seeing the girl you like naked, and she's willingly being sexual with you. Its iike max tier arousal.

Onlyfans and porn is just a visual stimuli for me to masturbate or be sexually aroused by. I hardly even see these women as real people with actual lives. They're just objectified bodies. Also I mean come on, aren't you curious? It's exciting. I've looked up celebrity nudes before and it's cool to see what they look like naked.

>>85164049
Yeah I think it's purely a pschological thing, like "oh she likes me so much she'll send me slutty shit like this to please me"
But realistically it doesn' mean much
My current gf is extremely strictly anti-nude because of privacy reasons but is a total slut in bed and will let me do anything I want to her, like third date I fucked her up her ass because she was so eager to please me, to me that is WAY more a clear sign of a woman being submissive to me. She didn't like anal but kept doing it for me.
Psychology is very important for sex, especislly for men bc actual sex doesn't feel as good for us as women, but still. Nudes are meaningless for the most part. It means way more when the woman will do what you want in bed, not over the phone.

>>85164049
Also most men are highly insecure and unsure if the girl even likes him, so her sending nudes is like confirmation of it

>>85164081
>>85164088
>>85164099
Okay, good. I want to say, because of my disability i'm an absolute social alien, like to the point that except with my Dad, i never had a succesful 2 sentence long conversation with a person IRL, so i was just assuming, but good, your reasons are basically what i imagined it is.

This is why i'm so confused why Onlyfans is a thing to the point some girls make thousands a month or millions a year even. As one of you said, "just visual stimuli", but then people still pay the onlyfans girls for the same thing you can have for free. There is literally billions of terabytes of porn for free, and you instead pay a girl 20 bucks a month to see an amateur video of her doing the same thing at home. It's just baffling to me like... why?

You don't get this feeling you guys want that we like you enough to send you nudes just to make you happy, it's just porn, but it also drains your bank account. Why is this a thing that exists?

>>85164093
The anti-nude policy can be explained. On this site alone i have seen many people post private nudes just because angry or for no reason, so her not wanting someone to have that power over her can make sense. It's the same reason why i don't want to post anything, even tho i have very little to lose even if i did. I'm a catastrophic dissapointment so at least i can feel good about myself that my Dad can be proud that i'm not plastering porn of myself on the internet.

Also why do so many girls hate anal? I swear it's not bad. I mean in my case of course talking only Toy experience, but it's genuinely good.

Yep and I saved them all lol. My last girlfriend got pissed since I never asked her for nudes. She was pretty fat and ugly though. Dark times.

>>85164189
The main thing you're missing with OF girls is the feature that you're able to "message them" directly. It's not just seeing the images of the women, it's believing you have the chance to talk to some really hot girl somewhere. They all know it's probably an Indian man in a basement but they suspend disbelief regardless

Some women don't like anal because they find it degrading. Every woman I've ever been with that has enjoyed anal was an actual sex demon too which was nice

I'm no chad, not even a normie, but I have had girls interested in me, have had a couple gfs over the years and have definitely had a few girls desperately attracted to me, at least fleetingly. But I've gotten very unlucky as far as nudes go. Every girl I've ever been involved with has been incredibly reluctant to send them at best, and at worst, had a personal principl ethat they would never do it for anyone. So I've never been sent them, other than on this one old reddit account that had a slightly solicitous name, a couple girls sent me stuff totally unprompted and I never even responded. On general principle I think pornography is wrong and agree that girls shouldn't take explicit photos of themselves, but as common as it is and as much as even many robots get them, I can't help but feel a little snubbed.

>>85163655
Yes, one of my exes would occasionally send me videos of herself masturbating. Was kino.

>>85164189
If I'm not mistaken, a big pull of that type of stuff is that you get "messages" or some kind of cheap interaction that helps you build a parasocial relationship with the content creator.
Most of the big girls have either some form of script/tool or even an employee who's only job is to interact with her costumers.

I don't get it entirely, but if you have money to burn and don't feel disgusted at this kind of women (my misogyny is probably what saved me from that type of trap, because otherwise I would be a prime candidate for it) it isn't that insane: you can probably fool yourself and think you have a connection with this girl.

>>85164238
I also had a former situationship who would send a lot of Snapchats of her feet. Those weren't "nudes," per se, but as an irredeemable foot pervert I found them just as exciting.

>>85164227
You can message them? Like a discord DM? I actually didn't know that, but like, do they reply? There is no way they actually would. And what about the girls who got like 9999999999 subscribers, they can't reply to 1000000 DMs like no way. They gotta use Ai, you are paying to talk to ChatGPT on Onlyfans, holy fuck it's worse than i thought.

>Anal = Sex Demon
Lol i find that funny, because i actually do like anal, at least with my Toys, but i'm not a sex demon at all, i would probably be terrible at it in fact. I only had sex once in my life and it was against my will, but even apart from that, my only sexual experience is just tons of gooning, because i can't have a boyfriend or anything due to my disability, so yeah i definitely do not fall into this category.

Still anal is fun, but not something to do often. Like once or twice per 2 weeks max, and gotta use lube. I genuinely think from what i read here that a lot of people attempt it dry or with nothing more than a little spit. Jesus christ people, don't do that.

>>85164258
They are absolutely either being responded to by bots or someone else controlling the account but the feature does exist and that para social link is what drives people to OF

The sex demon line doesn't necessarily entail skill, more like excitement to please. The last girl I was with that enjoyed it was horrid at actually sucking dick but knew it still felt good even if I didn't finish. She was CONSTANTLY sucking my cock to make up for it to please me, even when I had to stop her to finish myself she would still be desperately trying to lick the tip. It was great.

What disability do you have that stops you from these sorts of experiences?

No, not me and not anyone else here either. Lots of liars in this thread.

>>85164212
>She was pretty fat and ugly though.
Why do men date women they dislike?

>>85164293
>what disability do [ I have ]
I have a dodgy knee, I also am a fun lover and hate whitey

>>85164332
Sometimes you just need a wet hole to break a grinding dry spell.

>>85164293
>disability
So i have extremely severe neurotic SPD since i was born. It's a condition that causes me to be unnable to form human connections or build feelings such as love and affection towards others, with the exception of my Dad (common for schizoids to latch onto 1 person and create an "exception"). Also, it makes me basically alergic to people. Being near people is unpleasant, their voices sound like airhorns going off in my ears, and worst of all is touch, which when unmedicated almost instantly triggers either a violent seizure or a neurotic outburst, while my brain boils itself alive in my head. Obviously it's not real pain, it's phantom pain, but to me it feels just the same. This basically prevents me from being able to have any kind of human contact, and that's why i'm on disability, i'm stuck in my room, i do nothing and i'm frying myself with a big handful of meds i take.

On top of that, i basically ruined my Dad's life because i costed him his marriage since Mom left because of me because she wanted to enjoy what is left of her youth when i was 12, and there is just a lot of things that he does for me which are a burden, so i'm basically just one giant burden to him. And then there is another very mentally unsane thing that i feel towards him that i don't really need to explain right now, but yeah i'm a trainwreck.

Like the sensitivity to touch thing is absolutely hairthin. About 3 weeks ago i had my latest incident, where i had to go get my meds refilled, and Dad couldn't take me so i had to take the bus, and some guy put his hand around my shoulders and tried to start talking to me. Instantly went down to the ground screaming and had a small seizure and stayed down for a couple minutes. Made me miss my stop so i had to walk home for like an hour. Very bad.

>>85164414
Okay yeah, this doesn't sound like some "teehee I'm just a little shy" type of issue, this sounds like a full blown life debilitating problem you've had for a long time now. I can't imagine how many times this has flared up and dug your self esteem and connection to others further down, it sounds very isolating.

I know this is a lewd thread but I do truly hope if this condition can't be one day fixed the burden it has is at least a little lighter

>>85163655
Why is this fat chick getting spammed lately?

>>85164414
I've seen you talk about this a few times already, you should create a copypasta you can just paste to explain all of this easier. I know all about your Dad and stuff. Anyway, I'm putting you on my /r9k/ personalities list. Congratulations!

>>85163655
Yeah, I used to collect them from bitches of omegle when I was younger. A few girls were even weirdly obsessed and would send me nudes without me asking.
Funnily enough, all you had to do was be a piece of shit.
The blackpill sometimes does turn out to be true.
I deleted all the nudes though out of fear that my family would find it (had it saved on my phone back then).

>>85164049
>what is your reason why nudes are so important and desirable?
I have no clue myself. I have never asked for or gotten nudes from women IRL. I have seen those same women nude.

One random brown chick randomly showed up sending stuff and sexting I think it was from soc? And then several trans girls mostly from here
>>85164448
Probably someone is compelled by her ginormous breasts

>>85164443
Thanks, yeah it is very limiting. Thing is, my Mom is a huge cunt, i had this since i was born, but she insisted i was fine and just being a brat and forced me into regular school and barred me from any psychiatrist visits or what not. So most of my life has been constant hours long torture sessions of sensory overload 5 times a week, plus of course bullying, because somehow it never stops being funny to see me have a neurotic outburst when shoved to the ground from behind or something.

I was 16 in second year of highschool when i became so dangerously underweight i had to be hospitalized and i was finally sent to psychiatry and put on disability. Last almost 6 years have been the least bad ones honestly, free from daily torment, hiding in my room from the world is much nicer. Still hate myself for being a huge burden to my Dad. After Mom left him he only has me now, and that is basically like having a tumor.

>>85164454
I never really know how much i will talk here or if anyone will ask, but maybe i will save some notepad file with it. Not a problem to write it tho, not like i got anything better to do. Also yeah no need to mention the other Dad stuff.

But hey thanks, im on the new era Shindlers list of 4chan mentally ill weirdos.

>>85163655
>Has a female ever sent you nudes?
Yes, numerous times.

>>85164189
>There is literally billions of terabytes of porn for free, and you instead pay a girl 20 bucks a month to see an amateur video of her doing the same thing at home. It's just baffling to me like... why?

I will never get it either. I think it's mostly Indians and thirdies paying. I believe onlyfans functions by allowing men to have a sort of parasocial connection with the girl, because you can pay for customs, dick rates etc.

I've onky ever considered paying for porn once, but that was for extreme fetish content where I couldn't find the videos anywhere and I was a fan of the girl. But thought better of it. At that point hire a prostitute right? I've hired like 15. Paying for porn and onlyfans just seems insane to me.

>>85164521
>>85164443
I'm this guy and although I don't want to lessen the fact that you're in a really rough spot hearing "WHY DON'T OTHER WOMEN PLAY WITH THEIR ASS MORE?!" from a woman who can't be touched otherwise is pretty funny.

Enjoy what you enjoy but thanks for the laugh lol

Yes, some American-Indian girl. She had amazing tits. Ultimately I ghosted her because I live halfway across the world, and I don't trust sluts.

>>85164414
That sounds absolutely horrible and I feel terrible for you honestly. Also you aren't really attracted/want to fuckt your dad (I assume that's what you mean), it's just that you're horny and by proximity he's the only man around. I bet you're not a burden to your dad and that he loves you. Often when we get depressed we feel burdensome to our loved ones, and even have dark thoughts they'd be better off without us. Parental love is near unconditional for a lot of people, hopefully for your dad too. His life, even if in some sense you're a burden, it's a worthwhile burden to bear because he loves you and wants the best for you. I've had these same thoughts before (lol not fucking my dad.. kinda) but I mean feeling like a burden. Its simply not true. People shoulder all manner of responsibilities for their over ones because it's worth it for them, it's meaningful for them, and they love you.

>>85164521
>>But hey thanks, im on the new era Shindlers list of 4chan mentally ill weirdos.
lolol You definitely have one of the more interesting cases I guess. There's another girl who's skin basically rots off if she leaves bed, and an 800lb black girl who never bathes and instead sits in one spot forever but I haven't seen them post that more than once so it might be a larp. I have guys on the list too but they're just typical shit. It's not even a list for like tragic cases, it's just a list of posters I see a lot no matter what they say. One day I'll publish it. But I can never remember posters until I see them again like I just did with you.

>>85164049
we actually like the woman herself, unlike you. You aren't attracted to the man himself, you are attracted to his status, money and the way it makes you feel. We are different.

>>85164620
yes what this guy says, the reason your messages dont make me cringe mouse is because your issues are actually real, unlike the other foids here who claim to be femcels and their problem is just that out of 200 chads that wanna fuck them none has a big enough dick to beat her dildo
>>85164754
well she actually loves and wants to fuck her dad, so she is a bit of a special case

>>85164904
Brain damage locked me out of being a Stacy, reality is so cruel. But seriously other girls got problems too, come on.

>>85164620
Well i don't post a lot, i usually come here when my brain desires some socializing or talking to people but also doesn't want to be around anyone. The anonymous talking to a bunch of nameless letters is the perfect fill.

>>85164582
Thanks. And yeah, that is what i mean. But sadly, i very much am attracted to him and it's not just a physical thing, also just wish i could be like his replacement wife or something. But i'm not just a brainrotted gooner, i understand that these feelings are very damaging and very ill, but it's kinda hard to be fully in control when i'm not fully in control of my brain.

Yeah he is the only person in the world who's touch feels good and voice is soothing and to whom i can feel anything, so i understand it's a mentally unwell desire created by circumstances, but that doesn't make them not real. But i try to keep being nomal. I have in the past done some things i'm not proud of when the less sane part of me took the wheel. I mean even now in my "sane mode", the way i keep myself in check is often by violently gooning while fantasizing about him to kinda get it out of my brain, but it never fully leaves it. That's the difference, if it was just a fetish thing like those incest fetishers, it would go away after i get off, but the emotional part doesn't. I'm sure in porn it's fun, but struggling with these feelings IRL is hell, because it's not something that just happens.

About being a burden... yeah. If you want i can tell you just how bad i fucked up his life in full, but trust me, he would be so much better off if i was never born. Why couldn't my Mom just fall down the stairs or something...

>>85164557
Glad it was funny i guess? Idk i just see other girls talk about it like it's literally being skinned alive with a potato peeler, and like, it's not. It's good and a very unique sensation.

>>85164022
You're way too emotionally invested in what other people do to get their rocks off. Consider my words next time you're wondering what's missing from your life. Nobody comes to r9k because they're normal. Remember that.

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>>85165289
>yeah. If you want i can tell you just how bad i fucked up his life in full, but trust me, he would be so much better off if i was never born.

Shut up. Don't ever say that about yourself. You wouldn't believe how had I fucked MY life up. I'm literally fresh out of prison on bail living at my parents house, drug addicted, plus like 1 million other things I've done. Also im a grown man so its pathetic lol. I've felt the sense of being a burden you feel. Part of this is what drove me to variously try to end my life. Other reasons too but I really felt like the world and other people's lives would improve without me. It's delusional depressive brain rot. You aren't making an accurate assesment of reality. I had a real heart to heart with my parents the other night and they said exactly that. How much they loved me, how they are here to get my life back on track, and don't ever think I owe them anything or that I'm in anyway a burden. My mom in particular loves that I'm back home. And I don't have mentall problems as bad as you but I've had lifelong issues with social functioning. Parents I think are primarily concerned with you being happy, content, enjoying life. Whatever you choose to do. Even if it's bedrotting fuck it.

Also about the father fucking thing I just made a post on /b/ I'll add as a pic. Yes it's a semi gooner post and I'm kind of getting off on it (still do desu) but it's completely true. But more importantly I never really understood why she did it or why she wanted it? On the one hand it makes me so turned on, on the other I'm just sort of incredulous like why? On my third hand I'm kind of sad. Like was this driven by trauma? Why did she want it? Perhaps you can shed some light it's not like I can ask anyone irl, and yes j understand her life and desires are her own and it's impossible for you to know but like, shed some light? I wasn't about to ask her because it felt like a really private thing between them and I didn't want to pry

>>85165383
I should just add that if she just straight up said I got a real hardcore incest fetish and it made me cum so hard doing something so taboo, I mean I'd understand it, but I feel it wasn't like that, it was way deeper than that and I don't get it.

>>85165289
"i have in the past done some things i'm not proud of"

You can't just say that and not elaborate. It's against the rules. You have to share (please).

>>85163756
Your mom doesn't count.

>>85163655
6 girls maybe? Random foids I met online. Never done anything in real life.

>>85163655
The knowledge that I'll never get a girl like that makes me want to claw my face off

>>85165402
Well there was a huge thread where people gave me advice and i was at a very low sanity period and the feelings were very strong, so i ended up following some advice i shouldn't have.

First of all one of the advices was to start wearing his shirts with nothing underneath. Again i'm such a social alien i have no clue about flirting, so they said this is like a signal that a girl wants to be intimate with a guy, wearing his stuff like this, so i started doing that.
Funny enough. this developed into a habit now, because i love wearing his shirts. They are so light and big on me, it's like a home dress, and they smell like him.
Another thing was, we often watch movies on the couch, and i was told to only sit on his lap, and make circles on his hand with my finger if he holds me by the hip. I did this twice and the second time he flinched, or readjusted or idk, and that was when i kinda realized "holy fuck wtf am i doing". I don't actually know if he was creeped out by it, i hope not.
Another advice was to not wear underwear around the house. I spend most of my time in a big onesie i got called The Oodie, so i was told to not have anything underneath, especially for stuff like sitting on his lap.
Another thing was, i sometimes sneak into his bed to sleep with him. I don't do this often, i mostly do it when i have horrible night terrors, and he is fine with that, he doesn't mind. I did this since i was a little kid, not a weird thing. Well i was told that since he is fine with that, i should try doing it every night, and maybe naked. I couldn't gather the courage to do it naked but i did go to his bed 3 nights in a row and at the third one he asked me like if i'm having very bad night terrors, and i got very nervous because i didn't know if he is saying it genuinely or if he is saying "wtf are you doing", and i got such a panic attack i went down on the floor and i couldn't get up, my legs wouldn't move, so he carried me to my bed.

>>85165383
But my Dad was literally like the biggest winner based on what i imagine social standards are.

He got married at 18 to his school love, his last living family member died so he inherited the family house, so he was basically fresh out of school, no debt, fully owned house, good job, and a wife. They had me before even turning 20, because they were just happy and secure.

Then i was born, little mentally ill disaster. I couldn't love Mom and could only interact with Dad, so he had to constantly do everything with me, because i could only do it with him. All possible clothes shopping or stuff girls usually do with Moms, he had to do. Also often leave work to handle situations.

Then when i was 12 Mom left us. He was so depressed for like the next 2-3 years. She assraped him in divorce court and he had to sell the family house, and Mom said she never wants to see us again and wants to have fun with what is left of her youth. He was so sad for years, made me so sad. And i hated myself for causing that.

And even now, since i was put on disability and became a NEET, he only takes about 7000 bucks per month from my disability checks as rent, so i even get to have some spending money on myself, and i still have situations like this one or the last one where he had to come get me.

And i'm a grown adult too, i will be 22 in 3 days. I absolutely fucked up his life. And now i could fuck it up even more. I could tell him about the time i got raped, i could tell him that i have incestual love feelings towards him. He already suffered so much because of me and i still have another nuclear bomb to drop on him. I'm not gonna do it, but just so you see, he really would be better off if i didn't exist. And plus i'm sure he is lonely. I owe him, and this could be at least something i could do for him, but that is a very wrong way to look at it too, and i'm aware of that.

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>>85163655
Often.
After 2010 girls got super comfortable with sending nudes, and I have no clue why cause in the 90's and 2000's having a girl let you take a single Polaroid of her nude was a massive ask and every girl knew that if you send nudes they could end up everywhere.
>One was of my highschool GF when I was she was 18. Her dad actually defended them back and my ex was willing to take the hit getting in trouble to demand them back
>Then a few flings were willing to get naked on webcam cause they didn't understand how screenshots worked.
>Then 2 of my college exes were willing, but because they expected a dick pic in return I declined.
>Then a college relationship I will refer to as an ex did it with no shame cause she liked taking nudes and just didn't care.
>Then a girl who dated her then started fucking me did.
>Then a long distance ex I met when my dad died did it often.
>Then the girl who had a threesome with us did it, and said she wanted to make sex tapes with us, but things fell apart before it could get good.
>Then the ex after her basically did it all the time and made sex tapes with me
I to this day will not send a dick pick. I have loosened my rules on taking nudes. So long as she is in the pic with me naked too, I'll do it.

>>85165413
Firstly holy fuck that is hot omfg. I kind of just want to goonrespond because if that's true wow, I am so turned on. But more rationally, don't listen to gooners on 4chan like me. They don't know your relationship, and the parent/child relationship has one of the biggest imbalances in all of existence, if not the most. Specifically father daughter. He's supposed to protect, nurture, teach. Of course it's incredibly out of the ordinary for the daughter herself to want to transgress the boundary, normally it's the pedo scum father that molests or rapes the daughter.

To give you some real advice -> it's almost certain your father has ZERO sexual attraction towards you. I dunno how old you are if I remember it's early 20s, well if you've made it to this age without him at least testing a boundary -> a little touch here and there, a pat on the butt, watching a sexualy charged movie with you, etc, then it's HIGHLY likely your just his daughter. Your being a sexual option is like unthinkable, and I mean not because it's disgusting it's just, non abusive rapey men, like normal men have ZERO sexual interest in their children. So all that shit you did, although it might sound like a way of "turning" your dad on to 4chan incels, I guarantee he just interprets it all completely innocently. Why is she wearing my shirts? Dunno who cares just hope she washes them. Why is she sitting on my lap? Whatever if she's comfortable there then I don't care. I doubt he even noticed your lack of underwear. We're you like grinding on his upper thigh bare lol? Doubt it. He's not even thinking about that. And him flinching was probably like "can this girl get the fuck off me and get her own seat lol". Also the night terror thing I guarantee you no part of his mind was like "she's here to try fuck me I better call her out on it". He was probably just genuinely concerned or just curious like wtf are you doing?

>>85165889
Of course from the outside an adult daughter sitting on her dad's lap or sleeping in his bed is highly unusual, which is why I bet 4channers want to imbue some sexual overtone to it, as if "he must want it". But people's family dynamics vary wildly, hell I know a guy who goes home and sleeps with his own mom in her bed after a night of drinking. Probably just feels safe there or something.

Sorry to burst your bubble but you kind of need to hear this. Fantasizing is one of thing, I'll be straight honest I'm a fucking male and sometimes I love the idea of sex with my own dad (I'm bisexual), but actually trying to act on it and make it happen is seriously stepping over a hardcore hard stop boundary. You need to stop. It will never happen. You father isn't going to risk life in prison to fuck his confused and mentally ill daughter. I doubt he's ever even thought about fucking you. This is seriously illegal and cunts like that get stomped in prison (ask me how I know). So stop. You need a new sexual outlet. You're jeopardizing what sounds like your closest relationship, risking prison for your dad, for yourself, ruining everything, and even potentially risking a severe rejection. And I don't mean "I don't want to have sex with you, I mean 'get the fuck out of my house you fucking freak. Incest is normalized on 4chan. In the real world it's utterly horrifying.

>>85165894
Anyway now that I've got that out holy fuck did you really out your dad's oversized t-shirt on, wear no underwear and watch a move sitting on his lap, playing with his hand. That is so fucking hot omg. Was your pussy dripping wet? Did your pussy ever directly touch his clothes or his thighs, or were you more sitting sideways? Well I don't have a daughter and I have an incest fetish so I'm thinking to myself, my heart would be pounding my cock would be so fucking hard I don't think I could resist, just pulling my t-shirt up, exposing her pussy (she's an adult in this fantasy don't call me pedo) seeing how fucking wet she is and just laying her back onto the couch, spreading her legs open really exposing her pussy, telling her I love her and how fucking much I want her, and then bla bla bla fucking her raw, creampies, begin our new life as nudists in the house, freeuse on my daughter, maybe even impregnate her and move to a new city and act like she's a gf so they don't know our little secret. Imagine that. Raising a daughter and instead of her wanting random boys, she genuinely just wants you, sexually, romantically, she wants to actually BE your woman. Man that would be fucking insanely hot I'd take her to gangbangs and stuff as well, share her around and have people watch us fuck raw, whole time nobody knows it's really my biological daughter. She'd love it because she the incest taboo makes her fucking shake and cum like crazy but also she just genuinely wants to make her man, her dad, happy.

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>>85165900
And then I'd want her to have a period where, although she lost her virginity to me (of course I didn't really take it, she basically threw her pussy at me wanting me to fuck) I'd want her to go out and meet boys her, sexually experiment, even get a bf. But through it all and even when she gets creampied by random men on tinder or even a bf, she comes home unsatisfied and all she really wants is her daddy. I'd fuck the cum out of her, loving sloppy seconds on my own daughter, but deep down what I love is how it's not just sexual, we really are a romantic couple who deserve happiness and a family like every other couple. She stops the random hookups and very seriously tells me she wants a baby and a child with me. How could I say know? I love her and I want happiness for her. And no we wouldn't do any pedo shit with the child don't even suggest that. This is all fantasy because I'm a gooner and reading your post has me spun to fuck.

Also you didn't respond to my image it relates.

Also reddit is good if you have a fetish for this as well, although it sounds like you're way beyond that

>>85165632
Sorry I meant to respond to your post not the other one. Your post has me spun to fuck lol

>>85165632
>And i'm a grown adult too, i will be 22 in 3 days. I absolutely fucked up his life. And now i could fuck it up even more. I could tell him about the time i got raped, i could tell him that i have incestual love feelings towards him. He already suffered so much because of me and i still have another nuclear bomb to drop on him. I'm not gonna do it, but just so you see, he really would be better off if i didn't exist. And plus i'm sure he is lonely. I owe him, and this could be at least something i could do for him, but that is a very wrong way to look at it too, and i'm aware of that.

Alright I got my sanity back. We are really nothing alike but also I quite relate to you. YOU didn't fuck your dad's life up. Your mother did. She sounds like a fucking cunt. What kind of mother walks away from her daughter? Abandons her? Thats disgusting and horrific. It's her fault your dad's like got fucked up, because SHE failed as a parent. He stayed, raised you, he's still raising you, he loves you. There is zero possibility he would be better off with you dead. Do you think you're the only lonely one? I bet part of his motivation to go on after marrying such a worthless cunt, is YOU. His love for you, his responsibility to you. You are mentally ill and are making an erroneous value judgment about how someone would better or worse off by your death. You're wrong. Your mentall illness clouds your ability to accurately reflect what's true. Yes I know I said this earlier but it's true. Obviously me just telling you this won't convince you, because you have a set of ingrained thinking patterns that will take work to overcome not just some degenerate telling you you're wrong. But just know sincerely, you are wrong. Fathers love their daughters. He's stuck by you all this time. He probably loves your company fuck he even let's you sleep in his bed. Most men would be like fuck off get your own bed lol. He likes you, loves you (platonically).

>>85166065
He wants the world for you. I'm just going to also be vulnerable as well here -> I suffered a quite traumatic male on male sexual assault in my late teens. It wasn't full on rape like you but it really messed with my esteem, my view on others etc. As you certainly know, being a victim of a sexual crime is horrific, traumatizing. And now here I am in my early 30s, and only last week did I feel comfortable enough to tell my parents what happened to me. And I told them everything. I told my mother that despite being horrified I went into a "freeze" response and actually ended up cumming from it, which horrified me, confused me and further traumatized me. I told her I went back go their house and lay in the shower scrubbing my body raw, unable to get the sensation of being tainted and disgusting off my body. I just sobbed in despair and shame. And now it's like a decade later of just burying it and bottling it up (among many other things I decided to share with my parents), and I tell you, I feel better. All these years just burying things, never sharing how I feel, never really getting truly genuinely close to people it's devastating to your mental health. I don't want to tell you what to do as well all have our own lives to lead and choices to make, but looking back I just severely regret not telling someone at the time. My parents, a therapist, anyone. I just kept it to myself all these years and am worse off for it.

>>85166072
>I owe him

Firstly if he's lonely then your presence is a great joy to him, like I say earlier. Imagine how much worse he'd feel all alone in that house, dead daughter. But more importantly -> if you owe him anything, its to show him he's raised a happy loving resilient gf. Do you understand? I don't mean getting a job or some bullshit I just mean, make him proud of you with your character, your ability to face hardships and be strong, to overcome, to be courageous and even share things with him (like your traumas). I'm sure he's already proud of you, but if there's any sense in which you owe him anything, that's how you pay him back. Not some twisted incestual degenaracy that he would instinctually recoil at. I don't think you realize how insane you sound. Sex isnt payment. You don't pay your dad back with sex.

Also I'm leaving the thread for a few hours but don't just blank me. I put a lot of effort phoneposting to you, because I relate to you. I have suffered in similar ways (although yours sounds way worse). Please don't take this as me hitting on you or anything. Just know I somewhat see myself in the problems and issues you've had, and being a decade older than you I feel I can try give you advice or guide you a little. Speak some sense into you. I don't expect a big response, even just to say you read it or for me to fuck off. Sorry I just hate effort posting then the thread dies and I never know if the person read it. Also please ignore all my gooner bullshit. Thank you. I've enjoyed our conversation.

I'm about to go open the door for the cat, the door is right by my mom's room. I'm gonna do it completely nude. The thrill of being caught and how risky it is is exciting to me. I bet that's how the girl who wants to fuck her father feels. Vagina tingles because of the thrill!

>>85163655
No, I'm not chad; I only get them second-hand from the internet

>>85166117
Yall freaky as fuck, god damn

I've gotten plenty of nudes, some of my favorites have been from this titcow girl I dated. Actual perfect insanely huge udders.

>>85165889
Sorry i was gone for a bit, i was watching a movie with my Dad, and my benzo meds are frying me super hard right now so i also just spent like 20 minutes looking at the ceiling having a wicked spinning headache.

Wow that is an absolute mountain of text to come back to, let me try to respond to all of this. First of all, yes, unlike me, my Dad is a normal person, non-braindamaged, and is just the best Dad ever, he took care of me, never abandoned me, and he always wants to watch movies with me or go out on bikes or just hangout or talk to me when he gets home, like he actively wants to interact with me and have me around, which makes me insanely happy. So i know he would never want to do anything evil like force himself onto me or even accept a proposal if i was to tell him how i feel and my wants, because he is a good parent and a good person and not mentally ill.

But that makes me feel that much more shit and guilty. I have no right to have Daddy issues, i have no right to turn out shit like this with a good parent like him. And still i did, i ruined his life, i'm a massive burden to him, i have no future prospects, i rot in my room all day, i can't do basic things right (i hope no one remembers the cooking story), and on top of that i have feelings for the 1 person i'm never supposed to have them for. Literally just fuckupmaxxing and i'm doing a damn good job at it.

>>85163655
I used to be a big playa on Omegle when I was like 13-16 so yes, many.

Nowadays nudes don't really interest me. If I wanna look at boobs, I have google. I just wanna cuddle a woman while we fall asleep together tbhonest

>>85163702
>yes I won't say he, she still had pussy and tits
Based I'm surprised she didn't detrans after finally getting some dick lel, mine did

>>85165894
Yeah the sleeping in his bed thing is not meant to be something overly sexual. I have done that since i was a little girl, and that is because when i had turbo night terrors, i'm talking waking up screaming and sweat drenched, it genuinely helped, and since the wicked dreams never stopped, and i never stopped being mentally ill, this also just never stopped. I will admit that in the last couple of years, not every time i climbed into his bed has been because i needed it. I would say 70% needed it, 30% just wanted it. Plus he sometimes is fully hard in the morning without even waking up, so i kinda enjoyed seeing that, but i never did anything to cross a boundary like touch him or anything. He absolutely just protects me with this, this is not a sexual thing, we have been doing this since i was little. Also feels evil to say and feel this, but i'm personally glad Mom is gone, so that i don't have to "share" him with her. But i know how much he loved her, so i wish she would be back for him. But she won't be.

Also of course i would never tell anyone to get him in trouble or anything like Jail. About finding a new sexual outlet, that is kinda what i'm doing. I don't have any other option so i kinda just goon my brain out. I got some toys and i violently fantasize about stuff, but many times it's about him and i can't really help it, but i think it's better to get that itch out with fantasies than to try doing something stupid i would regret.

I really just don't want to hurt him or show him this side of me, i'm already a monstrous dissapointment, i don't want him to be even more dissapointed.

>>85165900
>>85165941
Yeah this is wayyy to far and also the previous image, i didn't really have a response for it, but that just sounds like it was more of a fetish thing to her than what i feel.

All the stuff you described past a point, gangbang, sharing, getting a bf but still secretly fucking, like this is more of a porn scenario or something than what i would really want.

>she genuinely just wants you, sexually, romantically, she wants to actually BE your woman
This is how i feel. I don't want this because it's forbidden, i don't want it because of some fetish, i want it because i love him, but in a very twisted way. It's heavily influenced by everything. I don't have other options first of all, second, my brain can't develop connections to others, third, i can't even just get random hookups to get off or anything since physical touch is also limited to just him. I very much understand that these feelings and wants developed conditionally, but speaking purely fantasy wise:

I don't want this to be a porn fantasy, some ridiculous crap where we share with others or where it's only hot because it's incest. I wish it wasn't, i wish i was adopted or something so that it could just be normal, i don't want this as a fetish thing, i want it as a genuine emotional connection thing. But again, this is speaking purely just the fantasy i want, i understand it's something i can't want from him in reality.

About the first question, yeah of course i was turned on from wearing nothing underneath and sitting in his lap, of course i got wet, but i didn't like grind on his leg or anything, it was a mix of "please notice" and "please don't notice". Again, i understand now that it was wrong, it was just a mentally weak couple of days where i let the bad part of the brain control me. It's hard to pilot a defect brain when it doesn't listen to you all the time.

One fat girl with big tits did. And I was too dumb and slightly ghosted her because I thought I was too good for a fat girl. Turns out, I'm not and now I'm still single and virgin.

>>85165632
Mental issues are very complicated. Don't think that just because you've always struggled with it, you always will. I had crippling social anxiety my whole life up until about 17. I would shiver like it was cold, but I was just extremely nervous and any social interaction would trigger my adrenaline. Over the course of years and years I've slowly exposed myself to more and more of the world, and now I can finally say I'm aj extrovert.

The brain isn't like any of the other organs in your body. If you're born with a faulty kidney or something, there's no changing that. But the brain is meant to be highly adaptable and "plastic". There's always the chance to become better, never stop trying nona!

>>85167139
>but i think it's better to get that itch out with fantasies than to try doing something stupid i would regret.
You're not getting it out of your system, you're getting it into your system. The gooning is 100% not helping you.

>>85166065
Well i don't know, i just know that he loved Mom so much, and when she left he was so depressed for like 3 years or something. Yeah i think her leaving was a cunt thing to do, and assraping him in the divorce court and getting so much money he had to sell his family house was cruel just so she can go "have fun with what is left of her youth", which i'm sure basically means she went to fuck around and party or something. I don't know. But the thing is, i think if i didn't exist, she wouldn't leave, so Dad wouldn't be sad about a divorce. About her i don't care, but it would prevent this big despair thing for him.

I mean the event of her leaving is actually somewhat why the rape thing happened. I was 13 and Dad was depressed and i wanted to try anything to make Mom come back so he would stop being sad. I saw in movies how people seem easygoing and happy when drunk, so i thought maybe Alcohol would stop whatever was wrong with me. I was still undiagnosed and everything back then, so i myself had no clue why i'm like this. I couldn't really get hands on any alcohol, so i snuck out and went to this open house party i heard about in school, and i tried getting drunk. Didn't help at all, just made me feel sick. Then some guy dragged me away and pushed a pill which i believe was ecstasy into my mouth and then did the thing. That was the most painful experience of my life, my brain was boiling itself in my body so much it genuinely felt like i was being skinned alive. I can't imagine how it felt good for the guy, i was having a seizure, flaying my limbs like a ragdoll and screaming at the top of my lungs uncontrollably. How was this worth? Anyway yeah i just somehow managed to walk home and sneak into my room through the window. Never told him about this, because i fear he would blame himself, since i put myself in that situation trying to help him, which of course is not his fault.

>>85167245
Thanks. I don't know really, but my Psychiatrist said she never seen anyone with neurotic SPD this severe, the innability to form connections is usually there, but the sensory seizures are usually like discomfort or nausea, basically i was told i'm more braindamaged than anyone she ever seen with this disorder.

My meds help me maintain a somewhat functional way at home, Alprazolam and Sertralin help, Quetiapin antipsychotic for episodes and stuff, and then a bunch of other things for like nutrition. Also last year i stopped being critically underweight and finally got above 41kg in bodyweight which my doctor was happy about and said to keep going. I still can't eat as properly as i would like to, especially since my Dad's cooking is great, but i tried to develop a snacking habit to get the necesary numbers in, and it kinda works.

But really as you said, if there is a chance this just goes away or that a new cure for it is found, i would be very happy. But right now i don't see my future very green.

>>85167271
>The gooning is 100% not helping you
Well i see what you mean but also, you know i have needs, i get horny, or worse, meds high horny which is a very weird state, and being stuck in my room i gotta obey some of the wants to keep my sanity in check. I also have touch starved moments that aren't sexual, just like i want hug or to cuddle, and if Dad is not home i just cuddle my huge plushie for like an hour while i cry or whisper stuff to it as if it was alive. It just helps, it makes me feel better.

Again, i know none of this is good, but i'm kinda just working with what i got available on hand.

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>>85163655
yep, plenty over the years, videos too
actually just had someone send a few this afternoon out of the blue, it was a nice surprise

>>85163655
One time, didn't enjoy. Not a nudes guy, plus she was mentally ill.

>>85164049
I don't but I imagine it's a power thing for most guys or they're just coombrained retards who need constant stimulation

>>85163655
I got nudes from this fat chick but nothing ever came of it.
I cringe at that era of my life because I was trying to be all suave and lovey dovey but looking back that was desperate simp tier shit.
I don't think at any point in my life have I been cut out for this. I think were I to have the opportunity, I would take the creators of this world and torture them for eternity.

>>85164049
>"the girl likes me so much that she wants to show her body to me"
As a woman, it's implied your whole life that you have inherent value of some kind, validation is like water or food, a necessity that going without long enough feels like dying.
We have to earn our value and even then we could have some fatal flaw that ruins our chances completely, we do not have people to turn to, we must deal with it on our own or kill ourselves. You don't understand the implications that come from a woman wanting to show that kind of vulnerability to you, it means she trusts you and views you as at least someone worth fucking. It means God or nature, whatnot, decided that you should continue to exist. You have watched your peers left and right become filtered out by this system, and you are not one of those men.

Otherwise, like us, you are told that your only purpose is to slave for people who hate you, and someday feed some worms. That's why escort fags and gooners aren't happy at all, it isn't genuine. They know at the end of the day they will only ever be a chud. It was deigned by god before we were born, because he hated us from the womb.

>>85163655
would a fembot with big tits send me nudes? shooting my shot.