Slavery = picking cotton, all limbs intact, you got to have a family and virgin wifeConscription = being shot at, being droned, getting your skin and flesh burned, your bones broken into a dozen pieces, no wife, no gf, no limbs. When you return there are foreigners from pakistan, nigeria, iraq, somalia. Possibly a dozen competing grooming gangs in your neighborhood alone
>>85198884Based draft dodger.NEVER go two continents away to die for dickless moguls and cowardly kikes.
>>85198884Draft and circumcision are the two things I find unbelievable that anyone could support.
>they send me>fight for the west and its values (kek)>return from war>see this>think, yeah that's what I fought forhttps://i.4cdn.org/pol/1785239053799247.webm
>>85198920No one support those things, which is why the draft isn't required and circumcision rates are going down.
A war is necessary to cleanse the gene pool of unworthy males.
stop being anti semitic and die for israel
>>85198884The time approaches.Soon americanoids will be weak and unable to raise forces to defend themselves.It's working.
>>85198884Why no communist was against draft?
>>85198884Conscription is about doing your role as a man and defending women and girls. Man the fuck up and stop being a bitch. Why don't you chop your dick off and be a tranny if you are such a bitch?
>>85199150it's mostly antifa trannies and foreign shills making these threads to demoralize young men and prevent them from doing their duty
>>85198884Sure, the outcomes are worse for the guy in question. But instituting the draft under certain condition is a necessity for a nation to survive in the world. It's one of those unfortunate realities of living in the real world. It's not necessary to have slavery for a nation to survive. In fact it can thrive without it.
>Go outside>Dont see a country you can call yours
>>85199150You sound like an obedient migration-loving reddit JOGling
>>85199161Before mass conscription wars became a thing, nations thrived and went just the same. You dont even share in the loot nowadays.
>>85198884I think if men can be drafted for war, women should be drafted for motherhood.
>>85199176The world has been in a state of constant war for the majority of human history. If another nation invades yours, then it's all hands on deck or you won't have a nation anymore. In many cases this also means genocide or being relegated as the slave class. Because there's so much violence in the world, you need the draft. At least in some cases. I agree that you don't need the draft to carry out a war overseas against a much weaker military. It's just that in some cases it has to be done. In situations where the war becomes an existential matter for the nation. It's similar to how you need taxes to make the public infrastructure run, because relying on charitable donations simply wouldn't work. But you have the option to decline. It's a social contract after all. But if you decline, then you have to leave the society. You get the societal benefits in exchange for the obligations. No obligations, no benefits.
>>85199205>If another nation invades yours, then it's all hands on deckAnd then you get second punic war scenarios where waves of conscripts get obliterated by a smaller group of well trained mercenaries.A society does indeed live by how able to protect itself is, but if your people arent interested in it will die anyway, either from being conquered or rotting from within.The roman empire was at its peak using a professional army.>But you have the option to decline. It's a social contract after all. But if you decline, then you have to leave the society. You get the societal benefits in exchange for the obligations. No obligations, no benefits.What societal obligations do women have?
>>85199223>And then you get second punic war scenarios where waves of conscripts get obliterated by a smaller group of well trained mercenaries.As I said, it's a sad reality of the world. The world is cruel and imperfect. It's either having the draft or being taken over, genocided, enslaved, etc.>What societal obligations do women have?They do have some. By participating in the society you e.g. implicitly agree to follow the law and agree to be punished if you break it. But in many western nations women aren't subject to the draft, which I agree is unfair. Women should also have to be drafted, even if it's for non-combat positions or as the last line of defense in combat positions, they should carry analogous female-unique societal obligations in cases of societal emergency, or they should enjoy lesser societal benefits. As it stands, it's blatantly illiberal.
If you voted for Trump, you deserve to be conscripted
>>85199259>It's either having the draft or being taken over, genocided, enslaved, etcThe romans were closer to defeat with a conscription system than they were with a professional army >Carthaginians defeated the largest army the romans had conscripted at cannae>Romans had to scrape the bottom of the barrel of society for that, criminals and slaves included.>They do have some. By participating in the society you e.g. implicitly agree to follow the law and agree to be punished if you break it. Not an obligation.>But in many western nations women aren't subject to the draft, which I agree is unfair. Women should also have to be drafted, even if it's for non-combat positions or as the last line of defense in combat positions, they should carry analogous female-unique societal obligations in cases of societal emergency, or they should enjoy lesser societal benefits. As it stands, it's blatantly illiberal.So the answer is no, women do not have societal obligations. Looking at tfr rates they dont even breed anymore.At least before, women couldnt fly to the other side of the world and had to contribute in some manner. It has been actively removed.
>>85199150Most of the human history concription didn't exist.>>85199205>another nation invades yours, then it's all hands on deck or you won't have a nation anymore.Not gonna fight your wars for Israel unless King himself would be marching in the first ranks like they did during feudalism.
>>85199150>Conscription is about doing your role as a man and defending women and girls. Man the fuck up and stop being a bitch. Why don't you chop your dick off and be a tranny if you are such a bitch?Why should I do my role? Women don't fulfil their role. Everyone else doesn't fulfil their role. The contract is broken, old man. This was not the deal. I'm not a just a tool to be used. If you think young men give a single fuck about any of this, without given any respect or authority for the responsibilities demanded of them, you have another thing coming.
>>85199205The nation has already been invaded, fully endorsed by the state.
>>85199150So we're being conscripted to mass deport muslims and other third worlders?If not we aren't protecting anyone.
>>85199194>I think if men can be drafted for war, women should be drafted for motherhood.That's a bit unfair. Women's "duty" is to reproduce? That sounds like a privilege, not a duty or obligation. This is why I'm not a conservative because conservatives are just feminist cucks.
>>85198884They should draft some of these dumb niggers instead
>>85199150Sorry, not dying for big cuntoid inc and jews. Ugh, I know I know, I look out for myself haha, sorry!
>>85199673Youre protecting Dear Leader from having incriminating photos leaked by Israel
>>85199161If nobody wants to voluntarily fight for your country, is that country worth fighting for?
>>85199714they want to draft Whites
