Straight men know exactly how raw and overwhelming attraction to the female body feels, and gay men to the male body. Yet when it comes to "straight" women, they feel almost nothing for men physically unless they are elite level gigachads. Even for bi women, they will eat the blue waffle of a butch bull dyke that looks like a pathetic imitation of an incel man and be all over their objectively disgusting and slovenly body while having ridiculous requirements for men.Women are, overall, not physically attracted to men. Women are not interested in men and see us as faceless NPCs. Only a small percentage of men who are outliers in height, facial looks, body, and penis size are even capable biologically of inspiring sexual desire in women. These are your slayers, the Chads. But 80% or more, possibly as many as 95% of men will never know what it's like to have a woman actually want their body physically in their entire life, and every relationship they ever have will be a transaction for their time and money. If you weren't that guy who just had women swooning for him, if you didn't have casual hookups and situationships from a young age, if your female friends didn't turn into friends with benefits, if you're not that guy you're just not that guy and you lack the biological characteristics to have actual reciprocal sexual attraction, no woman will ever want you in a sexual way, ever. This is why even if you manage to get a girlfriend or wife you didn't ascend or make it. It's just prostitution. There is a purity to the lust of of hookups and casual sex that relationships cannot imitate, a boyfriend or a husband cannot make up for that raw passionate lust women feel for Chad. Ever.Guys, relationships won't save you. Only jaw surgeries, leg lengthening surgeries, steroids, and penile filler can save you. It's the only thing. If you aren't Chad, you literally need hundreds of thousands of dollars for extreme surgeries by your early 20s at the absolute latest.
>>85266397>penile fillerThis is a good description of the content of this post.
they arejust not with you
>>85266420yes they are to 5% of men over 6 foot with handsome faces, abs, and large penises for sure, nobody else though
>>85266397isn't it incredible how so many men are walking away from women despite our sex drive?women really fucked up. imagine how badly you have to treat men as a demographic to get this kind of outcome
>>85266665You act like it's choice lol. women don't want us in the first place
>>85266435>>85266420It is not really like that. I am flabby and balding but my gf is insanely lustful sometimes and like to fuck. Women do sometimes pine after completely ordinary men. A lot of the time women and people generally just say things because they think they are the normal or popular thing to say. Human behaviour is very very mimetic, particularly speech. We just see what others do and desire and copy and there is not much depth to it beyond that. It is just fashion right now amongst women to signal to people how not attracted you are to men and it is seen as cool to be queer or lesbian. >Having a bf is embarrassingIs the new trend. Being attracted to men is seen as embarrassing. It is always better to look at what people BEHAVE like rather than what they say.
>>85266397Tbqh a lot of lesbians sometimes do have problems with relationships/finding sex. Women are often VERY sensitive to social abnormality. Any slightly odd or off social skill deficits seems to repulse them like 10 times more than it does men for some reason.Had a really good conversation with an autistic butch lesbian about this. She was an autistic lesbian and spent time in woke spaces so you would think she was insufferable but she was cool. She said she found it really hard to fit in with all female or very woke spaces because lack of ability to socially conform is seen extremely negatively.
>>85266711Did you meet this person off an app, out in the open, or have an acquaintance set you up on dateCuz if youre a guy relying on cold approaching, looks is literally the only thing that matters. Anything else is a cope
wait, so are women attracted to gigachad or not? i think you're taking your personal understanding of attraction and sexuality and projecting it onto women. men are, first and foremost, generally attracted to looks. it is just how our hormones work. women will typically never experience the sheer intense horniness that men do, unless they are hypersexual/mentally ill. their bodies just work differently than ours. sex is much more low risk for men, evolutionary speaking. men can impregnate women without a break; meanwhile, women can only get pregnant once every nine months. for women, they are much more vulnerable. no matter what, being fucked is being dominated. women physically take a man INTO their bodies, while men just do the poking. men also typically focus on how beautiful a woman is; meanwhile, a woman focuses on if that man could provide for her and her child during pregnancy and after. women have the short end of the stick when it comes to sex. all most men have to do is barely rub their dick and they can cum, but for women, the process is much more about WHO the dick is attached to, versus what he looks like. doesn't matter how pretty he is if he is selfish in bed; but, a man can get off from looking at a woman.
>>85266397Women's standards are just incredibly high because of hoeflation. There are simply too many men who are desperately simping for women. Remove the simps and women's value will fall.>>85266435>yes they are to 5% of men over 6 foot with handsome faces, abs, and large penises for sureEven those men aren't guaranteed to be loved if they're mentalcels. If you're pretty but mentally ill or completely socially unaware like an autist you can get viciously mocked and humiliated just like an incel. For example Clavicular got humiliated a few times recently and he lost a shit ton of aura as a result. The competition between men has reached such heights that now it's not even just about beauty anymore, you also need to be incredibly charismatic, socially and culturally aware, physically strong, and always capable of defending yourself both verbally AND physically.
>>85266711how tall are you? what's your age?
>>85266790everyone is attracted to looks you retard. women are the most visual sex. all these claims about personality and being a good person are just cope. women are only aroused by tall handsome men. with other men they have to convince themselves otherwise it's hard to snag a betabux guy. the sex and "attraction" drops to zero once they get a ring or believe they have the guy locked down
>>85266896where did i say that women weren't? i just said they aren't as important as they are to men. you're just talking out of your ass. what studies consistently find is that female sexual arousal is more context-dependent and less stimulus-specific than male arousal. physiological and subjective arousal measures in women show much lower correlation than in men, which means women's bodies often respond to sexual stimuli that their conscious minds don't rate as attractive and vice versa. women have a more complex relationship between physical response and conscious desire. the male response of "see attractive stimulus, get aroused" just doesn't work the same way for them. they do experience visual attraction, but their internal priorities are different and therefore attraction/arousal gets categorized differently. sexual arousal is category-specific in men, meaning heterosexual men show greater arousal to female stimuli and homosexual men to male stimuli. both heterosexual and homosexual women show strong genital arousal to both male and female sexual stimuli.the most important feature eliciting arousal appears to be indicators of the other's gender. while for women, it is the activities and movements connected with sexual context that are important. they're responding to context, activity, and relational cues in ways that men's arousal simply doesn't. also, desire does tend to decrease over time in long term relationships for BOTH sexes, it's called habituation. it's a part of familiarity, itself. what research shows on what maintains desire long term are things like novelty, autonomy, and genuine admiration.and yes, i've got sources if you want to read them. you call anything that doesn't fit your worldview "cope," but how do you know you're not just coping with your failure by saying women are "chad only anyway." it sounds like sour grapes, which is most certainly a cope.
>>85267013Trvke. I have had this conversation with a few buddies. We concluded that we pretty much have a second force, alongside our conscious mind, that we have to wrangle. Women don't think with the pussies the majority of the time. There is a reason the saying is about dicks. Their horniness is usually not all-consuming like it is for us. We can see a nice pair of tits or an ass and go instantly animalistic. We are biologically wired to. Sex comes with way more risk for them.
>>85266420brown manosphere cope
>>85267013looks are far more important to women than to men. their entire life is centered around aesthetics. >women's bodies often respond to sexual stimuli that their conscious minds don't rate as attractivei don't care about what women say, i only care about what they do. they're attracted to tall handsome men. that's who gives them pussy tingles. >desire does tend to decrease over time in long term relationships for BOTH sexesif that was true then the trope of sexless marriages wouldn't exist. lesbian bed death wouldn't exist either. you should shut the fuck up and think before posting insane walls of text about things you don't understand.
>>85267364>Women don't think with the pussies the majority of the timeLMAOMAO
Not true for me. Im so full of attraction to my husbands physical characteristics (6', dark hair, beautiful eyes, well groomed, intelligent) and I find his circumcised penis absolutely captivating. My sexual desires for him is like a magnetic attraction. 4 years + together and writing this has my blood flowing right in the opposite direction of my brain. If you find that special person, I think that helps get through common reasons why breakups happen.I think we are looksmatched and both 7/8s
>>85266397You're close, but not even chadsexuality is real. "Straight" women simply have AGP and are only turned on from being desired by a high-class person. The fact of the matter is that 99% of men throughout history were married to women who felt no genuine attraction to them at all. Truly straight women are so rare they are basically a rounding error. Nearly all women are either asexual or lesbian.
>>85267481no, you're taking it too far, that is absurd
OR you can just rape women and they will fall in love with your sheer capacity to rape. They will love your body because you conditioned them to.By the way caring about what women think would get you bullied in any pre-2000 generation
>>85267392>i don't care what they say, i care what they dothe physiological research i cited measuring actual genital arousal responses using photoplethysmography, thermography, eye tracking, and fMRI. that's literally what women's bodies do, not what they say. and what their bodies do is show significantly less category-specific arousal than men, not more. >sexless marriagedesire decreases for both partners over time in long term relationships, which is what produces sexless marriages for both sexes, not just one. the trope exists because habituation is real, not because women uniquely withdraw desire while men remain perpetually hungry. the research on who withdraws sexually first in long term relationships is actually mixed, with some studies showing men withdrawing as frequently as women depending on relationship quality and duration.>lesbian bed deaththe most supported explanation in the research is that two people with female socialization around sex, which tends toward receptivity rather than initiation, produces a dynamic where neither partner initiates reliably.i understand this way better than you and not much of what you said the explanations are are supported. once again, you're straight up talking out of your ass and just parroting what redpill influencers say. maybe actually do some research yourself.the only thing you've got are insults and they just make you look retarded.
>>85267709>desire decreases for both partners over time in long term relationshipsthis isn't true. the world is full of depressed married men who are desperate to fuck their wives. go away, retard. you don't know anything.
>>85267779you are just a solipsistic moronvisist actual deadbedroom plebbit and around 40% of posters are female suffering from husbands rejection and edmen struggling to have sex in longterm relationships is actually so ubiquitous that we have fucking medicine for it (that some still wont take out of pride). can you fucking imagine how many people would need to need it and be willing to pay for medicine to be even considered for research and testing. Protip: shitton
>>85267654Then why are even "straight" women shown to be more aroused by naked female bodies than naked male bodies? Why do "straight" women overwhelmingly watch lesbian porn and no other kinds? Why do "straight" women bitch endlessly about how ugly the majority of men they see are? It's because they're not heterosexual at all, or even bi. Women only marry men because they are taught from a young age that heterosexuality is the norm, and because for most of human history they needed men to survive. Now that that is not the case, you are seeing more and more women opt out of dating/fucking men. I predict within a few generations, straight couples will be an anomaly.
>>85267802Viagra and such are for old men who have blood flow issues. It's a purely physical issue and has nothing to do with arousal. And the women on /r/deadbedrooms often reveal that they wish their husbands were attractive simps, not that they don't want to fuck.
>>85267871> I predict within a few generations, straight couples will be an anomaly.In a few generations there won't be people around to form couples, you idiot.
>>85267904>often reveal that they wish their husbands were attractive simpsI bet that often is quite literally just a one singular post you have seenViagra is very common amongst young men too, actually the average age of taker is like 40-45 which is right when the ltr fatique kicks in. I know it because I hand out prescriptions.
>>85267013you're making the same mistake foids make. you are confusing sexual arousal with attraction. yes, female arousal works in very strange ways. most women have a rape fetish, while rape fetishes are very rare for men. a woman will get sexually aroused from being raped by an ugly guy. however, she will also hate it and be traumatized by it because she is not attracted to him. what women are aroused by is meaningless if you cannot get your foot in the door.
>>85267481It's probably more fuzzy and retarded than this, thanks to women having influences from male genetic selection, but directionally, that's probably where the female behavior gravitated to.
>>85267481I bet in prehistory it was different. It's this guy civilization stuff that is cucking us
>>85268190We also have to take into account whoring behaviors are a thing. Primates will present to strangers to defuse any potential hostilities or bargain cunt for meat and that probably continued into humanity and only got more complex. Those might be a separate gates into alternative quasi-attraction.>>85268199you don't get it. It's the way it is, because it was different and women had fuck all choice and were dependent. Look at old descriptions of gender norms in Abboriginals. Romantic love is a complete fabrication of court life. Treating women as people is a product of religion and philosophy. Women were essentially slaves, navigating being trophies and plunder.
>>85266682Most modern incels haven't seriously tried to get with a chick. Dudes really are choosing not to engage.
>>85268260What counts as serious effort according to you?
>>85268326He means endlessly humiliating yourself via cold approach despite no woman having ever shown interest to you in your life.
>>85268359then when you get the police called on you or ruin your life after doing that it'll be your fault for not doing it right
i used to feel like the bottom right until i realized that it's because i seriously prefer young boys. that must be why i was boy crazy in middle school but now generally unenthusiastic about men my own age or older. when i was 18 i reunited with my middle school first puppy love and he seemed MORE attracted to me as an adult but i found myself repulsed by how hairy and broad he had gotten. i missed his braces too, tmi but whatever.
>>85268819>I prefer young boysNo, you're a lesbian in denial. Teenage boys look more feminine which is the closest you can get without admitting the truth.
>>85268853no i like masculine facial features like for example hooked noses, just on younger facesi also don't find breasts or vaginas attractive. they're inoffensive at best and revolting at worst if particularly ugly
>>85268878>hooked nosesNot really inherently masculine>breasts and vaginasMost people don't find the vagina "sexy". If you don't like breasts there are plenty of flat girls.
>>85269167it's a sexually dimorphic trait
>>85266397https://vocaroo.com/17jqqrExvkjx
>>85269527why did you decide to record this
>>85269590for fun :]
>Yet when it comes to "straight" women, they feel almost nothing for men physically unless they are elite level gigachads.I wouldn't say "elite level gigachads." But yeah for most men, the attraction isn't there.This is where I disagree:>If you weren't that guy who just had women swooning for him, if you didn't have casual hookups and situationships from a young age, if your female friends didn't turn into friends with benefits, if you're not that guy you're just not that guy and you lack the biological characteristics to have actual reciprocal sexual attraction, no woman will ever want you in a sexual way, ever.This part is wrong. Most guys just don't put in the same level of effort most women do. Women in general spend way more time, money, effort on their appearances than men do.Plenty of guys have looksmaxxed from an average or subpar baseline and then "made it" with women. The technology is there and it's not *that* hard. You just have to be willing to put up with some temporary financial setbacks and possibly some pain/side effects if you hardmax.But keep in mind, the overwhelming majority of American men are overweight by body fat percentage and take little to no care of their skin. A lot of them haven't even tried to save their hairlines either. So the baseline isn't hard to mog, even without surgery.
>>85269720I like how you act like it's just a triviality to get major bone-cutting surgeries. Stupid foid.
>>85266397They're not even physically "attracted" to the tera chads. All they want is their attention. You don't see women looking at nudes of well-built billionaires, and no wife of any man like that would ever smell his clothes or anything like that. Women just want male attention, they just want to be liked by that male. The only reason they might want to get into bed with them is because they love the idea of the man desiring them so much and being hyperfocused on their company.I don't know how lesbians work though. I find it hard to believe that women are capable of genuine sexual attraction. My assumption is that most of them just realize that they will never get the kind of man they are attracted to, and they just give up. Lesbian sex is probably more about affirmation of their chosen lifestyle than anything else.
>>85270135Lesbians are genuinely attracted to women. In general, female bodies are seen as attractive by both sexes and male bodies are seen as unattractive by both sexes. Truly straight women are even less common than gay men.
>>85270040>triviality to get major bone-cutting surgeriesWhat did I say that implied that?And no it's not trivial if you go all the way to the bone, but it is temporary pain and financial hardship.-t. biofembot who's finishing up my first week or recovery from combination functional bimax and genioplasty (yes I do walk the walk. the pain is temporary, the gain is forever, both functionally and aesthetically.)
>>85270135You're coping hard. They are definitely into Chad. You just don't know how women behave around Chad, they go feral.
>>85270179I of course never have gotten to interact with lesbian women in the kind of intimate context that I have with straight women, so I can't really know what they get up to, but in general I feel that any of the ones I've known have never really acted horny.I think there's a difference between fake "lesbians", the double-digit percentage of women who claim to be at least bi because they feel less repulsed by the concept of intimacy with women than they do with the concept of intimacy with average men (and also want their friends to be envious of them being a woker class of person), and then real lesbians who are the female equivalent of gay men. I've never actually met anyone of the latter category, which is why I am skeptical of their existence. I have had women who were "straight" enough to want to go out with me on two separate occasions say that, while they found average-looking, slightly under average height me aesthetically appealing and even pleasing to look at/embrace, they had no desire for actual sex with anyone ever and were quite upset by this realization, feeling like they were missing out on a crucial part of life.>>85270244They do things they think will make him like them. Could you see them gratifying themselves in ways that don't actually involve him being present? Again, they're not going to be stealing his underwear, and they're not going to be looking on pornhub for guys like him.
>>85270207is this covered by insurance for you?
