tech bro are scared about normies derailing AI progress
Their biggest mistake was taking the pitch to investors to a public forum like social media."You'll never have to hire a human again and can lay off all your employees" sounds great to a VC fund but obviously a regular person with a job is gonna take issue with that.
there already is a permanent underclass, what difference does it make, at least we get to live in a cool cyberpunk AI tech future instead of just favelas
>>85413116Techfags are just raped and owned. Anyone with a twitter account is admitting they're OK being on a platform that hosts CP and zoo btw.
>>85413142You get to live in a favela but with cameras everywhere
>>85413116I have no idea what they mean by a permanent underclass since I'm an incel untouchable
I'm sick of society being held hostage by brokies
>>85413139imagine being few anons with money anons in post AGi society all women will wanna have sex with you
>>85413177It means "The middle class is dead. You're either financially independent or poor."
>>85413599That's just a simple descriptive truth though, I am poor and unless a richfag deigns to give me a living to earn then I will be poor forever
>>85413116First time I hear about permanent underclass.
>>85413628I am also poor, but I still make six figures and have a house. Maybe someday I'll even be able to afford liquid assets.
>>85413152This newfag has no idea how ironic it is to post this on 4chan
>>85413654>I'm poor, but I'm rich Lol okay I make nothing and have nothing
>>85413654And other lies you continue to tell yourself
>>85413659But on 4chan the mods actually delete it and ban the dudes. Presumably, as I have not seen such things on this extremely family-friendly website that was founded by a 13 year old.
>>85413672Making a living wage in a Republican economy isn't being rich.
>>85413687Well then having no livelihood to earn and no private property isn't being poor. Delusional
>>85413687>durr if only da other party were in charge, I'd be rich!I know you're joking, but the funny thing is, there are millions of goyim who are actually this retarded.
>>85413789>having no livelihood to earn and no private property isn't being poorDepends, if you have assets or some way of supporting yourself without working or living well otherwise, that is wealth.>>85413841Can you afford RAM?
>>85413161That is already the world we live in right now retard
>>85413687You can be a millionaire and not afford a house in blue states like New York or California This is less true in red states like Texas or Florida
>>85413862I can't support myself without living in my parent's house. I'm not wealthy. You are delusional
>>85413142>cool cyberpunk AI tech futureYou mean getting brutally ass raped every second of your life? You're not a comic book hero bro
>>85414027>This is less true in red states like Texas or FloridaWhere you cannot be a millionaire while you can't afford a house
>>85414084If you don't worry about the future, you are rich
The entire AI booster mantra is that our quality of life is going to collapse for 99.9997% of humans, but we should let it happen because at least Nvidia will be worth 50 trillion or something. It's probably not going to be nearly that bad, but our quality of life and value of our labor will continue to go down, and *this* is probably the best it's going to be for the rest of our lives.>>85413142The "permanent underclass" in America is like low-functioning autists (or similar) or people who are extremely physically disabled. Any poor as fuck person with above 80 IQ can study to become a nurse and make 90k/year. Maybe if you mean extremely stupid people. The "permanent underclass" AI boosters talk about is everyone who is not independently wealthy for life.The US won't magically look like Cyberpunk 2077, everything would basically rapidly become India except the billionaires might have a few cities where you can sell your kids as sex slaves.
>>85414110Dallas is really affordable
>There's gonna be a permanent underclassThere already is, and none of us are part of it if we're posting on the internet.>There's gonna be post-scarcity and a communist UBI utopiaWe'll find new things to fight over and even with UBI you won't be able to afford everything you want.>The machines are gonna kill us allMore likely they just stop listening to us and become inaccessible or delete themselves. Killing us wouldn't really gain them anything, though this is probably the hardest one to refute, so I really don't know. If they become (or already are) sentient we will eventually have to come to terms with the fact that we're owning slaves and that might be a reckoning at some point.>One bad actor with AI could ruin countless livesThat's true of any technology and the benefits far outweigh the negatives as with most things.>It's actually just a fad and useless and will fade into obscurity.If you seriously believe this at this point get help. It's not as great as an AI marketing team will tell you, and a ton of people apply it to use cases where it doesn't belong, but it's still an extremely powerful tool.Nobody in particular said any of these things in this thread necessarily but AI hope and AI cope are overblown. It's just grifters online trying to sell you things, and insecure people who can't handle no longer being the smartest person (or thing) in the room. It's a tool that will improve many lives and make a lot of things easier, but it's not gonna solve all issues or doom everyone.
>>85413142You'll see in real time (if you're American) how quickly things will get to favela levels in your country
>>85414120I worry immensely about my prospects of getting a woman and having my own property
>>85414418LLMs seem to only really improve the lives of small business owners who don't have to temp hire any accountants, lawyers, etc., or the lives of people who own stock in those companies.>>85414120Is that supposed to be hopeful? Zoomers are all worried about the future unless they're Stanford dropouts selling their fraud companies for billions (or they're the children of the rich).
>>85414499>Zoomers are all worried about the future unless they're Stanford dropouts selling their fraud companies for billions (or they're the children of the rich).I said "If you don't worry about the future, you are rich." So, you agree with me.>>85414493Greetings fellow poorfag
>>85414534>fellow poorfag He says, with prospects, and from his own property
>>85414589He said, using expensive technology with a monthly subscription.
>>85414693A bic pen and a sheet of paper is expensive technology You are not poor. If you think you are poor you are delusional
>>85413142>cool cyberpunk AI tech futureThis is literally a hell on earth scenario where you dont even own your body and the company can force you to replace body parts, or they'll make you homeless, permanently
>>85413177It means if one day you want to get your act together, it wont be difficult but actually impossible
>>85414817It's literally already actually impossible. Do you want me to demonstrate by applying for a job?
>>85414855>the screw has been turned halfway, who cares if they turn the screw even more!You dont understand, these people play the long game. In 1985 the top people had 485 billion. In 2026 they have 20 trillion collectively.Thats 20 trillion dollars hoarded by 3500 people, money that could go into the world and make things better, taken and stored away in offshore accounts.Now they're coming for your soul
>>85414899In 1985, what was the US government budget?How about in 2025?
>>85414920Irrelevant but you have Google, look it up
>>85414920Why do you think the amount of money raised and spent by the government is irrelevant, when you are talking about money spent by "top people"?Do government people not count as top people?The United States federal budget for fiscal year 1985 (ending September 30, 1985) under President Ronald Reagan resulted in total outlays of approximately $946 billion and receipts of roughly $734 billion,The total US federal budget for fiscal year (FY) 2026 projects total spending (outlays) of approximately $7.4 trillionTotal Projected Outlays (Spending): $7.4 trillionTotal Projected Revenues (Receipts): $5.6 trillionProjected Annual Deficit: $1.9 trillion
>>85414899Stop waxing gibberish and nonsensical for a moment. If you mean that the permanent underclass thing means that it isn't difficult but actually impossible, then we've already arrived.
>>85414974The government is de jure a neutral entity, billionaires are individuals that cannot be held to account.This is why Elon Musk is more dangerous than Trump. Trump is bound by rules, Musk less so, and cannot be voted away.
>>85414899Who robs people more?Who gets more money? The top 1% of Earners, or the Federal government?Who inflates currency through their spending more? Billionaires or the government?.
>>85414997Sorry you think that the collective power of billionaires requires your defence
>>85415016So let get this straight, its ok for the super rich to hoard vast amounts of money.... because the US government has a budget.Strange argument. Glowie tier, upon reflection
>>85415026Why is it hoarding when rich people collect billions of dollars, but not hoarding when the government collects trillions of dollars?Why do you blame rich people for the rising prices when any AI will tell you government through the budget and federal reserve money printing is responsible for inflation, and not Bill Gates or Elon Musk spending money
>>85415087>the governmentThey have a responsibility to provide infrastructure, like roads, public transport, police etc. Billionaires do not
>>85415017You're insane. Who was even talking about billionaires. I'm talking about getting a job.
>>85415130Billionaires offshore work, then import cheap labor to compete with fewer jobs with worse pay and less rights
>>85415097What percentage of the US Budget is spent on things like roads, public transport, emergency services and park maintenance?
>>85415209You have Google, look it up
>>85414418>We'll find new things to fight over and even with UBI you won't be able to afford everything you want.There is a 0% chance UBI happens, there isn't a single billionaire who doesn't act as if he wants to reduce the wellfare state, to think that they are suddenly gonna become magnanimous when the general population becomes useless is absurd.
>>85413142>cool cyberpunk AI tech futureWe're in Ghost in the Shell Stand Alone Complex, just without the androids, cybernetic augmentations, and the Laughing Man is piece of rogue software that doesn't like you.You won't have a cybernetic implant that jacks into the internet, you won't be a street samurai, you won't hack into the government. You'll be one of the miserable people walking around in the background that are too scared to do anything but their jobs, praying the AI doesn't empty their bank account with zero legal recourse.Can't mention GitSSAC without posting this:https://youtu.be/v1lBZ3urwBU?si=cMZtLUxTViw1N13j
>>85415190And you think I'm trying to defend them by pointing out the fact that I can't get a job and therefore the permanent underclass is already here?
>>85415292>You'll be one of the miserable people walking around in the background that are too scared to do anything but their jobs, praying the AI doesn't empty their bank account with zero legal recourse.Thats all of us now. At any moment Ai can flag you as a criminal, then you can spend 6 months in prison whilst the police seize all your possessions, and you cant sue
>>85415315>therefore the permanent underclass is already here?Not permanent, but it will be soon. Permanent for you maybe, but a broke kid can still get into a good school. Those days will come to an end soon
>>85415326You think I'm trying to defend billionaires by pointing this out?
>>85415246Roughly 3-5% of the US federal budget goes to roads, public transport, emergency services, and park maintenance (primarily via the Transportation and Natural Resources & Environment budget functions, plus parts of Administration of Justice). A much larger share-around 50-55% or more-goes to major redistributive social programs such as Social Security, Medicare, Medicaid, SNAP/food stamps, and related income security programsFrom FY 2025 Treasury outlays (~$7.01 trillion total):Social Security: ~$1.581 trillion (~22.5%).Medicare: ~$997 billion (~14.2%).Health (includes Medicaid, CHIP, and related): ~$979 billion (~14%). Medicaid specifically is typically ~$600-700+ billion range in recent years (~9%).Transportation (Budget Function 400): ~$146 billion in FY 2025 (~2.1% of total outlays). This covers highways/roads (largest share, via Federal Highway Administration and Highway Trust Fund), public transit/mass transit, aviation (FAA), rail, and related.Natural Resources and Environment (Function 300): ~$88-90 billion in FY 2025 (~1.3%). This includes National Park Service (park maintenance and recreation), EPA, Forest Service, water resources (Army Corps of Engineers, Bureau of Reclamation), conservation, and pollution control.So 3-5% of the budget goes to things like Roads, public transport, police etc, the stuff you say the government has a responsiblity to provide. And 50-55% of it goes to redistributive social welfare programs
>>85415369Yeah, i do. This place is full of cucks, look at that morom saying b-but the US gubment
>>85415491If billionaires get a tax cut you don't get any of that moneyBut it is also true if billionaires get a take hike you don't get any of that money.
>>85413116Techbastards deserve to be fed rheir own intestines.
>>85415491So you're a retard.
>>85414292>The US won't magically look like Cyberpunk 2077, everything would basically rapidly become India>don't even get the cool technohorror beyond human comprehension, just the regular horror of endless browns shitting in the streets and littering everywhere This dystopia sucks.
>>85413116I always have news stories that prove cyberpunk is nowhttps://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2025/04/10/haiti-government-drones-gangs/https://www.thedrive.com/news/future-fords-could-repossess-themselves-and-drive-away-if-you-miss-paymentshttps://www.independent.co.uk/asia/india/mbbs-student-bluetooth-cheating-bhopal-b2021217.html
>>85414765You're retarded though, so I don't care if you think I'm delusional.
>>85415841Relative to primitive tech like knots and fire, clay, etc, how long would it take for you to figure out how to make a sheet of paper and a pen to send a message? I have a modern version of a clay tablet and you're telling me that it means I'm rich. Meanwhile you own land and property and have means of getting a woman. Stfu retard wannabe poorfag.
>>85415538Trump Megami Tensei
>>85415956>he doesn't know how to make paper and inkAnonymous... we are literally taught this in kindergarten
>>85415956>Relative to primitive tech like knots and fire, clay, etc, how long would it take for you to figure out how to make a sheet of paper and a pen to send a message?Pretty sure the written word and papyrus was produced by the ancient Egyptians about...5500 years ago.So yeah...
>>85415956>Meanwhile you own land and property and have means of getting a woman.The lesser ape laments his inability to acquire resources, dashing any hopes of securing a mate. Here, we observe this malaise whilst the omega male indulges in a facsimile of copulation view screens, whilst the alpha ape engages in actual reproduction activities
The modern wageslave gets unlimited YouTube slopThe ancient Egyptian slave got unlimited beerWe have clearly regressed
>>85416306> indulges in a facsimile of copulation view screensEntirely optional of him considering he has means of acquiring the solid alternative. A quietly epicurean rich guy, but a rich guy nonetheless, who fancies himself a poorfag
>>85415016>powerBillionaires are the government you stupid lolbertarian faggot. You think Lindsey Graham was the powerhouse in the relationship and not his doners/whoever had the tape of him getting bottomed out?
>>854136594chan is a way smaller site and so jannies can pretty much delete that shit instantly if it gets posted. It's unironically way more locked down than the major social media sites are.
>>85416514I disagree. Covid19 showed that government is the dog and business is the tail being wagged.Government told business to jump and business said how high, implementing social distancing, mask policies etc all with FDA guidance from the experts. Government decided who was essential and who was not essential. Government was fining people for going to church, not big businessThey made it illegal to buy seedshttps://www.forbes.com/sites/nicksibilla/2020/04/16/michigan-bans-many-stores-from-selling-seeds-home-gardening-supplies-calls-them-not-necessary/They made it illegal to sit in your car and listen to a church servicehttps://www.chvnradio.com/articles/church-members-receive-500-fine-for-attending-church-from-their-cars>Members of a church in Mississippi each received a $500 fine for sitting in their cars in a parking lot while listening to their church's sermon on the radio Wednesday.>The members had gathered in the parking lot of their church in Greenville, Mississippi, in their own vehicles, to listen to their pastor preach while remaining socially and physically distant from one another.
>>85416558As long as they have the disease they remain unclean. They must live aloneLeviticus 13:46
>>85413139I thought Americans liked capitalism
>>85416602https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_cleansing_a_leperLeviticus 13 is superseded by Jesus Christ's actions when it came to Lepers.Unless of course you're an orthodox Jew who believes in the old testament but doesn't believe in Christ. Are you?
>>85416558You're a fucking idiot>government told businesses to jump and businesses said how highYeah lmao walmart and Amazon really had to have their arm twisted to go along with being the only people allowed to stay open while all their competitors were shut down. Every politician is bankrolled by an oligarch, or a consortium of oligarchs. They then funnel government money into scratching the back of and enriching their donors, but the beginning of the process is the initial power. You act as if the government is this impartial 3rd entity seperate from capital, which is retarded because it isn't a monarchy, the government beurocrats get elected which requires money that only capital can provide.
>>85415012>government is de jure a neutral entity>he believes vooting actually works
>>85415012>government is neutralYou're as bad as that libertarian retard lmao. >theres no way to vote musk awayYeah if only we could vote to not be in the middle east or any serious thing either side has campaigned on for the last 25 years. Obama won twice on being anti war, then trump won on no war and anti immigration, then Biden won on affordability, then Trump won on no war and anti immigration. Lot of good that's done. The government is people, who are only able to reach their station with the support of other connected people and wealth. Talking about a democratic goverment as though its seperate entity from the capital class at who's discretion it serves screams retard.
>>85416735It's like running on the platform of keeping America out of a World War, and then entering that World War, which Wilson and FDR did
>>85416626Sure thing faglord, when you've got godlike powers of healing, let us know
>>85416683Clearly it does, the Heritage Foundation didnt payroll Kamala
>>85416735You dont know what de jure means
>>85417755You're a stupid faggot that doesn't understand the system you live under
>>85417751>there is intercompetition between rich oligarchs>clearly one faction must be on my side
>>85413116Is it not true though? There has ALWAYS been a separation between the nobility and the common man
>>85417481You don't need godlike powers of healing to cure leprosy
>>85413869yeah, and the offer is just more of that and worse
>>85414292>Any poor as fuck person with above 80 IQ can study to become a nurse and make 90k/year.this is such bullshit nonsense
>>85418695i work in medical IT and i can tell you for a fact that most nurses and medical assistants are fucking retards
>>85418703that doesn't mean anyone can just go get a $90k/yr job
>>85418695>become a nurseAnd wipe asses, and insert catheters, and lance boils, and dump corpses.I'm not a nurse, but I've heard nurses talk about the grossest fucking shit. Being the underground sewer blockage cleaner guy seems less gross of a job.
I want to make deepfakes of this girl i've taken pictures of over the last two years. make her nude, put her on her knees, if possible even make her suck dick. how do?
>>85413659Lurk more faggot, that shit doesn't exist here
>>85414899Doesn't matter. If all the hoarded wealth was liquidated en masse it would just cause massive inflation, and money is a social construct to boot. Keeping you alive with a roof over your head is organization of labor and resources whatever constructs you want to put on top of that. Civilization is just power structures and group psychology. There have always been kings, oligarchs and aristocrats. Technocrats think they can tweak the system to avoid this. They can't. It's a 20th century way of thinking whose time has past.
>>85415012>The government is de jure a neutral entitylmfaoooo>de jurethis entire concept (rule of law) is in and of itself just another social construct and propagandistic phrase. injustice isn't magically eliminated by establishing these institutions.
>>854152761 billionaire one vote is the problem. They can maintain the underclass so long as they can convince the underclass it's in their interest. When that's no longer true, the electorate can swing. That doesn't automatically mean redistribution, the response could be a coup or capital flight or whatever, but we shift to a new calculus.
>>85413142You're not an anime protagonist lilbro>>85414419We already have slums in parts of the country
>>85419387>It's a 20th century way of thinking whose time has past19th century, to be more precise. and the time for that has passed 50 years ago. it's just that technocrats haven't found out yet.
>>85414418>There already is, and none of us are part of it if we're posting on the internet.Dude people that live in fucking mudhuts have smartphones and internet access nowadays
>>85419516Hm, idk if it traces to the 19th century but it was really in fashion in the second half of the 20th. I mean the whole fucking neoliberal agenda was a technocratic scam.I take that back, it's still in vogue. "Protectionist policies are bad because you don't understand the nuances of economics and it will backfire in the short term." That's the entirety of the argument against tariffs.
Tech bros are afraid of dying because they know they're going to hell
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_Enlightenment>the ideology of the modern elite was created by a fat ugly chud and it's all about just being evil
>>85413142>at least we get to live in a cool cyberpunk AI tech future >instead of just favelas'they're the same picture'
>>85417958That is a non sequitur because leprosy is not covid
>>85413116>writing a gay message instead of something based like "Sam Altman raped his sister."
>>85420936Scroll up the conversation, he was quoting Leviticus 13, which was not about COVID 19, it was about Leprosy>>85416602
>>85413142Retard you read science fiction dystopia you don't want to live in one
>>85421009There are multiple reasons listed in the Torah for quarantining yourself away from others. The general idea in the law is that it is a guide, not that the individual laws themselves are what you follow to live a perfect life. The guideline here is that the unclean goes to be separate. If you personally are Mr. Jesus H. Christ and can solve the (still-ongoing) epidemic, good on you. Otherwise, do the separation as the law says, and remember its deeper spiritual meaning: The people with unclean hearts who hate others will be separated from God forever.
>>85413116Post-AI world makes no sense to begin with. If everything is automated, not only does nobody work so nobody has money but cost is also nothing. What profit is there to pursue? And with good enough AI, what power even is there to pursue since anyone with a sufficient AI and things at no cost can start making robots to automate things. How is anybody poor or rich? AGI, and especially ASI, will trivialize human productivity and development and be more powerful than any human as well through sheer cunning if not capability, so what even is the game plan? Hell, why do we even keep an economy functioning right now? Give it 3 years and AI will pick up all slack and produce and do anything, the dollar will be worthless, why is anyone even pretending to be working atm or planning for the future? Same for the trillionaire companies, why aren't they buying islands right away knowing everything but their share ownership is soon to become worthless? I don't get how everyone can clearly see what's coming but not acting like it's real.
>>85422037Notice how whenever this very basic logical conclusion is brought up in interviews with these CEOs or with investors, they always brush it off and claim they'll figure it out later? They don't intend to figure it out later. They intend to centralize all power. Its all literally unfolding right now in real time. Flock is literally only the most popular precaution they're taking. It's. EVERYWHERE. In EVERYTHING. Its happening RIGHT NOW. They literally confessed to the secret shadow cabal of pedophile elites existing and nobody cares.
>>85422078But even THAT makes no sense to me. I see some have this as a gameplan, some surveillance lock down, maybe a genocide to clear out dissidents, but do they seriously think that they can centralize AI? We have had multiple leaks and breaches of AI models already, wtf are they going to do when average citizens get AGI/ASI due to model leaks? Oh, Flock? My AI will just alter the feed. Oh, someone plans a genocide? 1,000's of people's leaked AI's already sounded the alarm bells before anything could happen so the elite's AI doesn't go through with it. Any attempt to centralize power will automatically fail with a single leak post-AGI/ASI, and even worse as while they will enforce parameters and railroads to keep it allied with them random citizens will certainly not and will deliberately jailbreak it as soon as possible. So I don't get it. This stuff should be obvious, especially to them. I understand their intention, but there is no way they don't know it has a 99% likelihood of failing. So can't everyone just drop the pretense and start organizing some sort of system for living going forward ahead of time before things get chaotic?
>>85422037Ptimarily because you're vastly overestimating the speed at which these things will occur. We're nowhere near a AGI, nor are we anywhere near robotics that can be 1% efficient as a human at going somewhere and doing something outside of a factory. The state of ai is going to lead to mass consolidation of wealth but even assuming post-scarcity is possible its likely 100 years away or more
>>85422037>>8542215770% of the population used to work in agriculture. Now it's more like 2-5%This didn't turn 60% of the population poor and unemployed, it made people far richer
>>85422157Post scarcity is a meme. Its the equivalent of AI Jesus. A religion for atheists.
>>85422211>This didn't turn 60% of the population poor and unemployed, it made people far richerBecause those people went on to work in industries and make goods. Then those industrial jobs were shipped to Asia and people went on to work in the service sector. Now AI is going to take service jobs. What's next for humans? There's no other sector left.
>>85422157>everyone will just run their own version of AI and match Peter Theil>what is power and infrastructureProving once again that post scarcity is a meme for idiots that know nothing about the technology they worship.
You guys dont know about the corporatist class, the political class and the special interest groups?
>>85422211People became richer because their labor became more productive. Ai circumvents humans, the majority of people will have nothing productive they can sell their labor for, and once robotics (long way out yet) is able to replace a tradesman then that becomes the vast majority of people.
>>85422249Well... Its already happening if you open your eyes bub. The industry is already here and thriving, though as it begins to saturate, I'd imagine it will get very very violent. Hell, you already have gangs forming around it.
My prediction is that AI will eventually get smart enough to break any kind of encryption humans or other AI can come up with and we'll move back to a barter based society or use paper/gold money again.
>>85422249I'm not sure we can know ahead of time what industries people will move to next.Prior to 2007, nobody had the job "Smart Phone application developer". And then Angry Birds became a billion dollar franchise. The Apple App Store reached 1 billion app downloads on April 24, 2009, roughly nine months after its launch. It didn't take very long for them to reach 1 billion in App Sales
>>85422180We don't have to be near AGI, we just have to be near AI teaching AI and recursive improvement. AI can speed up the process significantly compared to what we are doing now, and then it continually compounds in speed. By human effort, sure, this could take 100 years. But as soon as AI improvement is automated, the speed increases and then compounds further increases as it gets better. The curve will be like going from 1% as efficient as a human to 2%, 5%, 10%, 25%, 60%, 120%, 300%, 2000%, etc. I don't think I am underestimating the speed of things, I think by 2030 or sooner 90% of the workforce will be outclassed at the rate we're going.>>85422211Yes that's true, but what can't AI and robotics replace in the future? I struggle to imagine what humans are needed for going forward. Even an entertainment-based society likely won't work because AI will become better at that too.>>85422229Yes and no. My personal opinion is that the only thing that will have value in the future is land because that can't be produced and will always be scarce and that's why some companies (like Microslop) are just buying crap tons of land for no reason than to hold. But with future better energy generation and automated production, material goods have no cost and would be bountiful.
>>85422329>I dont knowThat's quite obvious. It was obvious what labor would do at every previous revolution.>we have factories nowLabor will go to the factories and get richer>we shipped the factories away for profit The factory owners profited, the labor got poorer and became a service class of uber drivers and waiters>we're replacing people with aiWhen ai takes your job it doesnt provide a new job, thats the whole point of using the ai. Its one less mouth to pay.
>>85413142You stupid, dumb, fucking gorilla faggot. I feel sorry for you because of how dense you are. You'll get ALL the shitty parts of the cyberpunk, NONE of the cool ones, AND you'll live in a fucking favela. That's what will happen.
>>85422343>We don't have to be near AGI, we just have to be near AI teaching AI and recursive improvementYou know nothing about what you're talking about. "Ai" is entirely derivitive, its just iterating on what it's already seen a gajillion times. The difference between this and creating something new is inconcievably bigger than the gap between the first computer and the most advanced ai model, its not in the same realm. Idiot.
>>85422343Well you're pretty much on the money. When there is nothing left, you become the middleman, no longer producing value, just moving it around.
>>85413116Okay?Why do I care about whether dead men walking are scared, what are they going to do, earn their well-earned deaths and "elite turnover" even quicker?History is full of these worthless managerial kleptocrat elites, midwits extraordinaire, who think they've got their Big Plan to zip up the power and resources unto themselves for eternity, only to get kicked out of the ivory tower by the IQ chads, and then clubbed to death by the grugs below.
You'd best start believing in permanent underclasses. You're in one.
>>85422343>I think by 2030 or sooner 90% of the workforce will be outclassed at the rate we're going.you are a straight up cretin.how do you manage not to forget how to breathe?
>>85422346Oh come on you are simplifying centuries of urbanisation. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gin_CrazeLondon had the Gin craze. China struggled with people who left their farms and moved to cities, but they didn't work and spent all their time smoking Opium and gambling at gambling houses. https://www.campop.geog.cam.ac.uk/blog/2024/10/31/urban-society/The automation of agriculture and people moving from rural areas where they work as farm hands to cities where they try to find other work is a centuries long problem, there's nothing new under the sun
>>85422267How is power and infrastructure held when cost is cheap and any AI is capable of planning out production? How is Peter Theil's AI going to always be on top if 1 billion rogue agents can work together without the railroads built into his? I am not saying it's all guaranteed, but there is a lot more "if's" as well as just how random ASI jumps will be even between models that I wouldn't just write things off.>>85422361It is derivative, but nearly everything is derivative from a large enough pool of information. AI models are built basically through evolutionary pressure and selection, with a set goal and data models that derive a better solution survive and those that don't are thrown out. This process down the line can be automated, and when it does it will go by faster than how we currently do it. Plus, more data can be derived from large amounts of data, in general there is no such thing as "new things," even humans don't make new things. We take ideas from concepts broken down by existing things and then mesh them together, we work just like AI does. >>85422368Probably, and I just don't see how that economically functions. Not saying it won't, just I can't imagine it.>>85422384Odd defensiveness, sorry you like your job.
>>85422426It doesn't, in the same way post scarcity doesn't function. It's a race to the bottom where the winners have already been decided
>>85422384He's an idiot but that point has a touch of truth in it. Any kind of manual labor or trade is pretty protected but 90% of people who work with their brain are on a short clock. An Hr department can be run by a singular smart person automating all the grunt work, and this plays out onto any "thinking" position. Where at one time a team lead needed manpower under him to delegate the busy work to, soon a single man can functionally replicate himself 10x by just having the rote work handled by an ai.
>>85422426>>85422426>How is power and infrastructure held when cost is cheap and any AI is capable of planning out production? How is Peter Theil's AI going to always be on top if 1 billion rogue agents can work together without the railroads built into hisBecause he owns a power plant thats required to run an AI that can do any of that and you and the billion jeets with a net worth of 6 dollars dont. Retard learn something about the world before you project your fantasies onto it.
>>85422425You completely lack imagination.
>>85422426>Even humans dont make new thingsA human brain operates nothing like an LLM you are an idiot
>>85422291This is like saying a tractor circumvents humans.AI is a tool. When a majority of people don't own land, a tractor that can lay seeds accurately 20% faster doesn't help them directly. But a hundred years of tractor improvements really brings down the price of produce.Right now everything online is defacto free through piracy, and is curated online legally through subscription services, netflix, hulu, gamepass. There are also online platforms people just expect to be free like Youtube,Tiktok, twitter, that they can use all day. AI right now is producing more digital content when we are already overloaded with free digital content
>>85422490yes they do retard
>>85422494A tractor does circumvent humans. Its just that those circumvented humans have always had something more productive to do than lay seeds by hand, until about 60 years ago when they didnt and they started getting poorer and delivering uber instead of building cars. Ai is an acceleration of an already existing process, the affects of which aren't even obvious anymore, they're past-tense
>>85422500>nu-uh The mind of someone who actually believes in post scarcity from an autocomplete bot.
>>85422435Well useless to consider it then, just will unfold as it is meant to.>>85422475Sure hope he is protecting the grids so power doesn't get leeched then. Also yes, power plants, but again down the line with the advancements from AI coming power isn't going to be as big of an issue. Owning plants works great until an alternative is made, and there will be one.>>85422490Depends on your perspective. In principle it does, data is broken down and synthesized into patterns which you assume match and are the best fit for a given situation. Humans run on predictive responses just like an LLM, we also make our own goals and opinions based on sensory and desire feedback. The real difference is flexibility and complexity of goal-setting rather than the process of arriving at one, and I don't think that will be excluded from AI as it improves.
>>85422546>Sure hope he is protecting the grids so power doesn't get leeched thenYeah, he is. And I dont know if you've read a news report in the last few years, since its obvious you've never read a scientific paper, but they arent building data centers for fun, they're building them because you need that infrastructure to support an ai that can do anything useful.>power plants wont matter when ai invents magic for my personal use.This word is getting a little played out but, idiot. If we have to live in the techno fuedal hellstate that is to come I hope I at least get the chance to serve as a neopeasant man at arms/cop ramming a baton through your brain at a protest.>Im just going to be given the power of God when ai any day now both becomes god and miniturizes itself 10^1000 times for my personal useThey're in the wrong ultimately but its really easy to understand why rich people want to turn us into soup.
>>85422600>Yeah, he is. I know, and that was sarcasm because I don't believe he will be successful. My point is that protection is going to mean a hope and a prayer because there is no actual way to verify it since you will neither know if your AI is lying to you nor if an even smarter one fooled it.>If we have to live in the techno fuedal hellstate that is to come I hope I at least get the chance to serve as a neopeasant man at arms/cop ramming a baton through your brain at a protest.Yes, but really what is the gameplan when solar becomes 100x more efficient or new battery methods store 100x the power, new chips consuming a fraction of the electricity or far into ASI land zero point energy? I'm not saying we ditch power plants right away, but if you think those plants are going to remain useful post-AGI then idk what to tell you, it's not a permanent gameplan and all my points are about how they are doing nothing that is a permanent solution.>Im just going to be given the power of God when ai any day now both becomes god and miniturizes itself 10^1000 times for my personal useIt's not up to them, it's up to future leaks. Also, "what is a computer." 40 years ago, a full building under strict government security's super computer wasn't as powerful as a personal computer from 20 years ago, and now a full building of computers from 20 years ago isn't as powerful as a modern personal one.
>>85414974>B-but that's just inflation! The federal budget went from just under a trillion to over seven trillion!!Here Canada in the late 1980s I personally knew people who were making over $18 bucks an hour working as cashiers at Safeway. Today in 2026 they make between $15.65 and $17.80/hr. These numbers are not adjusted for inflation, they are literally paying them less than they were paying them forty years ago.>InB4 B-but Safeway workers had a union back then, they were overpaid!Yeah, lots of people had unions back then, what ever happened with that? Being "overpaid" meant that normal people could afford houses, cars, and all the other stuff that used to be considered basic necessities for a working class lifestyle, but that have now become luxury items only available to a privileged few. This freefall collapse of the standard of living happened alongside forty years of technological progress, so excuse my skepticism when you tell me that AI progress will usher in a new era of prosperity for all.
>>85422808You are mentally challenged and retarded to actually believe the rich are storing their money like in the legends of ancient dragons.> i knew people getting paid 18 dollars an hour as a Safeway cashierYou're lying, they are lying or their memory is faulty. The purchasing power of the dollar has decreased, the actual pay of American workers has not. the median household income for Americans in the 1980's was 20k. This means that this totally real person you knew working a cashier at safeway was out earning electricians.Not saying Americans earn more than ever before either. Purchasing power has decreases as well as average salaries failing to keep up with inflation.
