this is entirely an american thing, in europe young women between 18-23 lust for cooler older guys.

Covid, companies etc. STOLE my 20s so I absolutely reject the idea that I cant find a young gf just because I turned 30

>>85427412
I don't know what you're crying about.

The largest age gap I've seen was a 20 year old with a 25 year old.

>>85427412
They are completely mind-raped and buckbroken about age, and they will have a very very hard reality slap waiting for them once they all start becoming late 20's and on.

>>85427412
On the cloud on the top left, first panel

>>85427432
Anon I'm 42 and I'm still in university, expecting freshmen to fall for me

>>85427436

This. I dunno what it is about social media but it has warped people's conception of many things including age.
Back in the day everyone had a 10-year age gap, like go to a graveyard and look at the tombstones. The guy had always been born 10 years earlier than his wife

>>85427412
sounds to me you're just a 30yo (or higher) bitter about being unable to pick up zoomettes

>Like what the fuck's wrong with 30yo guys? They're just improved versions of 20yo guys.
1. Usually no.
2. Large age gaps are a huge divorce risk factor, like massive if the gap is big enough, beyond for something like body count or whatever meme.
3. This attitude is part of the problem.
It's one reason I have more success with younger men, plus they tend to look better. Some guys age really well, but they're in the minority. Ideally I'd like the guy to have some youthful spirit left while we build a pair bond, not for him to be jaded/wrinked/bald and deciding to settle because he has to.
The younger guy will usually look better than the much older guy and will treat you better while demanding less of you. Is what it is, just typically the case.
Of course, keep an open mind, man or woman. I've just had way less success pursuing and dating them
>When I was young, 18yos dated 40yos. That was normal back in the day.
No it wasn't lmao, what? Maybe a few weird people did hook ups like that then, and so do some now. But the typical marriage age gap has been around a few years for many decades now.

>>85427509

Yeah but it's because they got brainwashed into thinking it's somehow weird
You did that because you were insecure and afraid of older guys snatching "your" girls

>>85427523

When are you willing to accept that your attitudes towards older guys stem directly from what you've read from your peers on Tiktok and other social media?
You think what the system makes you think.
>yeah but look at all these rationalizations!
Rofl. You can rationalize absolutely anything. Just look at feminism and LGBT.

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>>85427491
>Back in the day everyone had a 10-year age gap, like go to a graveyard and look at the tombstones. The guy had always been born 10 years earlier than his wife
No, picrel. You believe red pill memes. Or maybe moralizing tiktoks. These are not reality.

>>85427531

1. I'm not American. Pic is from America.
2. It actually shows the age gap was larger in the past, proving the point.

>>85427526
>Yeah but it's because they got brainwashed into thinking it's somehow weird
>You did that because you were insecure and afraid of older guys snatching "your" girls
My girls? The ones on my chest?
I think you just didn't read my post. I'm a woman who is open minded but tends to have better experiences shooting younger.

>>85427523

I'm a 35yo virgin male. What makes you think I have anything in common with a woman my age?
A woman my age looks far older than I do, and has more experience with sex and relationships. She most likely has kids.
I can't relate to that on any meaningful level.
So what's your suggestion? Female incels dont exist so the game is rigged as fuck.

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>>85427536
>not from America
Fair enough, look for your country.
>larger in the past
That wasn't your argument. You said age gaps of like 10, 20+ years were normal.
Also age gap dating has actually increased, just the proportion that end up married has gone down. Probably one reason the divorce rate is lower now.

>>85427539
>The ones on my chest?

Are they big?

>>85427539
>tends to have better experiences shooting younger

Correct me if I'm mistaken but you clearly don't, because it sounds like you've had relationships and they have all ended.
A relationship between two 20-year-olds always ends because it's a relationship between two immature idiots who don't know what they want.
The perfect match would be a 20yo woman and a 30yo guy. Why? Because that means there's at least one mature party in the relationship, balancing the immaturity of the younger one.
The reason why young women have a bodycount of 50+ guys is because young people suck at forming stable relationships.

>>85427542
> A woman my age looks far older than I do
Go stare at yourself in a mirror for thirty minutes, anon.

>>85427559

I dont get your point. I'm 35 and I have never had a single beer or cigarette in my life. Instead of driving a car, I still ride a bicycle. I've never had a job or a relationship so I practically haven't even lived.
I've seen 28yo women who look more weathered than I do.
To claim that a 35yo woman is my looksmatch would be straight up lying unless she's Korean or something.
It's not my fault women choose to ride the cock carousel and drink heavily every weekend.

>>85427542
>I'm a 35yo virgin male.
>*demeans women his own age*
Kek, ngmi

>>85427549
For my frame yeah.

>>85427551
>Correct me if I'm mistaken but you clearly don't, because it sounds like you've had relationships and they have all ended.
It's about comparison. Which were more successful and pleasurable?
>The perfect match would be a 20yo woman and a 30yo guy.
I mean lol, good luck. Picrel.
I'm not going to say imperfect relationships on paper can't work. Of course that's not true. Almost no marriage is going to have all the perfect stats.
If you're making general societal statements, though, there is data to go on, and no, 10 year age gaps are suboptimal on average.

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>>85427568
>>85427551

>>85427568
>For my frame yeah

You know what I wanted by asking that question.

;)

>>85427566
>never had a job
>sounds like no car
>demeaning to women his own age
Wow it keeps stacking up

>>85427566
>I have never had a single beer or cigarette in my life
Women being known as universal users of beer and cigarettes, consuming them in greater quantities than men.

m8, you're clearly delusional.

>>85427568

Yeah well, look at faggots and trannies. Being LGBT means your entire life and all your relationships are statistically bound to fail, but nobody goes around telling them to become straight for the sake of statistic probabilities.
The difference is that our world is very feminist and doesnt like the idea that a guy has any power advantage over the woman, age or otherwise and we try to rationalize that feeling.
At least you're realist enough to understand that real life is not about minmaxing stats and every relationship is unique. There's always the possibility that your perfect match is actually someone who has some attribute you've decided is a red flag.

>>*demeans women his own age*
>Kek, ngmi
I was eagerly anticipating your advice on the matter and for your reply to turn out like this is a disappointment.
I can tell you're a woman from the fact you turned this into some feminist misogyny thing instead of giving me advice on how to make my relationships work.
Look, the underlying reason why people go for their own age is so they have SOMETHING IN COMMON. But when you have nothing in common despite being the same age, what's the age have to do with anything at that point? I think it's a bit childish to think two people get along just because they were born on the same date.

>>85427568
Does Prag refer to Pragmata? Or Prague?

>>85427586
>demeaning to women his own age

I was gonna say you're demeaning to guys older than you but it would be such a woman thing to turn this discussion into a pissing match about who is oppressing and insulting who
This is why guys think women are dumb btw. All they do is screech on Twitter about misogyny and oppression and whatever nuances gender dynamics might have are reduced into "that's misogyny!!"
inb4 saying this is misogyny

Not very surprising that the only person against age gaps in this thread is a woman

I hate how life is so predictable

>>85427609
>instead of giving me advice on how to make my relationships work.
I think you missed the implicit advice, so I'll state it more directly. Your standards are probably delusionally high unless you're leaving something major out (like heir to a fortune, international male model, or something). You also present negative attitudes about women that will put off women younger than you and your own age alike either way.
I don't see what you have going for you that would be appealing to decent women your own age, let alone much younger than you. You can improve what you have to offer and/or lower those standards.
Maybe there's more to the story though.

>>85427586
>no car
And? Is this supposed to be some sort of dealbreaker?

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>>85427419
You obviously haven't talked to the youth. Im in eastern europe and they all speak in ebonics + once I saw a dude trying to chastise an 18 year old for getting with a 16 year old girl. The word "pedo" was used. They're so americanised it's not even funny dude

>>85427509
brother the oldest zoomer is 29 already

>>85427616
Pragmatism

>>85427617
>I was gonna say you're demeaning to guys older than you
I never said anything as harsh as that anon (is that you?) did, and I made lots of caveats that weren't about them being a certain ethnicity.
>This is why guys think women are dumb btw
I don't care what guys who don't know anything think of me. I can offer perspectives and data. They can take or leave those.

>>85427622
Not against age gaps in any meaningful way. I said to keep an open mind but explained why they can present practical issues.
>woman
Maybe some men should consider why women so often don't prefer large age gaps. It's not tiktok or twitter. It's biology.
In a society where we can meaningfully pick mates, most of us don't prefer a large age gap. There are going to be exceptions to any rule if a guy is special, or if a woman has a thing for older guys, but exceptions are exceptions.

>>85427660

I have always been considered handsome and to this day people send me dm's saying I look like Leon Kennedy.
But that wasn't even my point. I'm not saying I deserve younger chicks because of my looks (even though I do). My more serious point was that a relationship between me and the average 35yo woman doesn't make sense socially or psychologically because she's farther ahead in life than I am. Women in general life "faster" than men do. It's normal for a 25yo woman to have played through the story mode of life completely. She has 2 kids, has done it all, seen it all. Whereas it's incredibly common for a 30yo guy to have the sexual experience of a 12-year-old.
My question to you was how you expect these two very different people to match. If they kept their ages a secret from one another, they'd probably think they're different age because they behave differently. The guy talks about anime, the gal talks about taking her kids to school.
I'm still waiting for any good reason why I'd set 35 as the minimum age for my matches on Tinder. Why would I do that? Don't say "morals" because morals don't exist in an atheist society, only laws do. The age of consent in my area is 16.

>>85427680
Older guys with younger girls are not an exception. It's more like, you are an exception. A 35 year old guy who is not a complete failure like that other anon will have a job, his life together, be more mature and worldly, while still being youthful. It's not a surprise that many girls in their 20s would find those qualities attractive over someone of their age, especially when a growing number of young men are becoming shut-ins and failures.

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>>85427680
>It's biology.
>In a society where we can meaningfully pick mates, most of us don't prefer a large age gap.

But that's the thing, before social media and dating apps women were stuck with a smaller selection, so it's not biology, it's technology.
As a guy this fucking sucks. I really wanna go back to a time where women couldn't cherrypick guys. Must be the best time in history to be female though. All the rights, all the perks, and no drawbacks of any kind.

>>85427686
>Whereas it's incredibly common for a 30yo guy to have the sexual experience of a 12-year-old.
No it's not. You are a very rare exception. You're 35, and a complete and total failure in every single possible way. First, you need to get a job. Before that, you can't be even considered for a relationship.

>>85427680
>why women so often don't prefer large age gaps
Yeah the old ones who wasted their youth being whores. The young girls love getting with older men

>>85427690
It's never been easier to find a girl to date than today. You are fucking delusional. You could go outside and get a girlfriend right now if you wanted, but you just make excuses for not trying. Obviously you do not want a girlfriend.

>>85427689

Not having a job isn't failing, it's a form of success where you have understood the capitalist system thoroughly and found it a game not worth playing.
You need to see the big picture that capitalism is rigged.

I'm unemployed by personal choice and it's sad that women see this as a turnoff. But it says more about women than my theory, though. They just objectify men. I'm not a walking wallet for them.

>>85427686
>I have always been considered handsome and to this day people send me dm's saying I look like Leon Kennedy.
Are you struggling more at getting matches or sfter you go on dates?
>It's normal for a 25yo woman to have played through the story mode of life completely. She has 2 kids, has done it all, seen it all.
>Whereas it's incredibly common for a 30yo guy to have the sexual experience of a 12-year-old.
Uh.... On what planet? For both of these. Hardly any 25 yo women have 2 kids, and hardly any 30 year old men have the sexual experience of a 12 year old.
>I'm still waiting for any good reason why I'd set 35 as the minimum age for my matches on Tinder.
I never said to do this nor did I even imply it. In fact I said to keep an open mind.
>morals
None of this is about morals. It's about practicality. You're free to make your own choices. The 18 year old can get 80 year old dick if she wants. It's not "predatory" in either direction unless he has dementia or something, just probably dumb in most cases.

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>>85427703

>It's never been easier to find a girl to date than today. You are fucking delusional.

No, you are delusional. Tinder exists to create profit, not couples. If two people find each other through the app, the company loses two paying customers.
A system like this doesn't help people escape loneliness, it creates loneliness.

>just go out then
I go out and there's nobody there because women dont go out. Women have no hobbies. Almost all of young women sit indoors looking at Tiktok.
I've made threads about this phenomenon in the past.

>>85427689
>A 35 year old guy who is not a complete failure like that other anon will have a job, his life together, be more mature and worldly, while still being youthful.
The amount of 35 year old men that are still youthful is... Small.
>in their 20s
Yeah plenty will, probably in their upper 20s. That's not a huge age gap.

>>85427690
>it's not biology, it's technology.
It absolutely is largely biology, and if you don't get this, things are going to be harder for you.

>>85427714
>hardly any 30 year old men have the sexual experience of a 12 year old.

I completely missed out on my 20s. When I was supposed to mingle in college, covid-19 shut everything down and took 2 years from my life.
And after covid people have socialized online more than ever before because they learned this behavior during the lockdowns. People's screen times are 5-10 hours per day and most couples are formed on apps.
I claim that big tech companies stole my youth, my only shot at finding a partner organically from the real world. I will die on this hill and never change my opinion on the matter.

>>85427709
Not having a job is being a failure in every single possible way. You're dumb as shit, and lazy to boot. Nobody would want to get into a relationship with someone who is only dead weight.

>>85427698
How much older? (I think we both know the typical preference is not much.)

>>85427709
What do you have to offer apart from your looks/fitness?

>>85427733
>I will never have a girlfriend because I decided I do not want one
Yes.

>>85427720
>The amount of 35 year old men that are still youthful is... Small.

How would you know if you mingle with zoomers mostly?
is this based on empirical evidence or is this just your mental image of them?
I started lying about my age at 32 or so and went out with an 18yo girl. I asked her to guess my age. She said 25. Later I told her the truth just before having sex with her. She got grossed out by the number and called it off. My mistake was being honest. Next time I'll fuck first and come clean later. If she thinks I'm 25, that means I am 25 to her. You will think this is heartless but I missed out on 18yo pussy, you don't know how bad that is.

>>85427744
>What do you have to offer apart from your looks/fitness?

What do you have to offer apart from having a vagina?
Women always ask that question even though they only bring their gender to the table, nothing else.
Again, considering the man a walking wallet is misandry and feminists should do something about that.

>>85427736

Brainwashed capitalist take.
There arent even any jobs anymore because AI took them all.

>>85427748
>How would you know if you mingle with zoomers mostly? is this based on empirical evidence or is this just your mental image of them?
Like I said, I've dated much older a couple of times. I also just... Exist in society and have eyes. Men at 35 have visible signs of aging unless they've done a whole lot to combat them.

>>85427751
>What do you have to offer apart from having a vagina?
Incredible that you try to flip it on me when you're the one seeking advice here.

>>85427769
How do you know they are 35? Maybe they are 50 but look 35 to you.

>>85427804
I'm talking about guys whose ages I know. Early to mid 30s, most guys have a decent amount of aging.

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>>85427769
>Men at 35 have visible signs of aging unless they've done a whole lot to combat them.
I'm the 35yo dude and I went to this club recently. I met some middle-aged women there. But when they revealed their ages, they were in their late 20s. They were all fat and looked 40. I'm not being mean, I'm disappointed because I would expect people to take better care of themselves, and this whole debate is about lookism which is a toxic world view to begin with.
Also look at pic rel.
Tom Cruise aged better than his co-star.
Men have thicker facial skin which can help them look younger than their female counterparts. You can ask your AI if this is real or not.

>Incredible that you try to flip it on me when you're the one seeking advice here.
True but it's a valid point. So I think we should both answer the question.
What I bring to the table: maturity, emotional stability (none of those zoom-zoom mood swings), IQ of 138, degree in physics, I code and I run my own social media site (living off it right now), I've written 2 books (mostly on capitalism and the harmful nature of the Internet), I can build cars and have all the tools in the world, I'm currently trying to start my own society to take down the western capitalist system and give people UBI.
Most of that sounds very esoteric to you, but I'd like to emphasize the importance of me knowing how to fix cars and houses. Your 20yo hip hop dude has never wielded a hammer in his life. There's PRAGMATIC value in that.

>>85427813
>never had a job
>never had a girlfriend
>never accomplished anything in life
>midwit delusional about his intelligence
You sound like a real catch.

>>85427845
Writing a post like this is easy. As such it says nothing positive about you.
Anyone can mock and discredit others. Put up or shut up.

>>85427813
Example is cherry-picked. Men and women have different visual advantages in aging. Men have thicker skin that's resistant to fine lines for longer, but the wrinkles they do form tend to be coarser and deeper. They lose their hair more often and to a greater degree.

Testosterone ages you a lot too. People don't go on roids and say "wow I can't wait to age in a manlier way." Femboys often dread the death of their youthful look and block the T for this reason. (Women have the downside of menopause nuking them quickly, but HRT is becoming more available for that.)

Both men and women can do things to control how bad things are. Almost all the factors in our declines are alterable nowadays. Most people just don't bother.

>IQ of 138, degree in physics
Hey you're a lot like me in the regard.

>I code and I run my own social media site (living off it right now)
I count this as you having left out something major like I said before.

*in that regard
Oregano
>>85427856

I'm early 30s and the one noticeable sign of my age is my cheeks sagging. Otherwise I look about 10 years younger.

>>85427856

We've talked a lot about how guys look. But what about the sexiest muscle, the brain? I'm betting that the most insightful and challenging debates you've had online were had with guys over 25. Maybe this is just me, but when I was 20, I just watched anime and coomed all day. There wasn't a bone in my body that wanted to settle down and appreciate a serious relationship with a woman. The older I've gotten the better my personality has become.
>I can just find a mature young guy
Sure, but it's hard to find someone who checks all the boxes. It's natural to compromise, but the Internet has sort of made us allergic to compromise. We want it all. I admit that's what I'm doing as well, that's how I know.

>>85427905
>I'm betting that the most insightful and challenging debates you've had online were had with guys over 25.
Very likely, but I'm happy to be patient with a guy to a degree, especially if he's younger than that.
>it's hard to find someone who checks all the boxes. It's natural to compromise
Hence me saying to be open-minded

>>85427675
where in eastern europe?
I'm in Romania, am 35 and picked up my wife when she was 17 and I was 25.

>>85427971
>picked up
In a gypsy way, or...?
Either way, congrats man, my parents were basically that age too when they shat me out, meanwhile I'm approaching mid 30s...

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>>85427958
shut up, prag

>>85427419
this never happened, is never happening and will never happen here in westoid europe.
all girls are taught from elementary school that any boy older than them is dangerous and pedophilic

>>85428030
i trust some basement dwelling creature on r9k to provide me with an accurate and unbiased depiction of the world at large, yes

>>85428041
i live here, you don't.
seethe cope dial8

>>85427997
>In a gypsy way, or...?
No. I did have a gypsy gf actually but she didn't want kids and had a drug problem.
We met at a university debate competition that also had 11th and 12th grade pupils.
>parents
Now that I think of it, my parents have a 7+ year "age gap" too (dad turns 70 and mom turns 63 only next year). And my grandparents. My paternal grandma was born when her mother was 19 and her father was 29.
This american brainworm is straight up insane. Heck, a trip to the local graveyard or the local maternity ward will immediately show that this is in fact very common.

>>85427971
Yeah that was 10 years ago. In 2016 the people you imagine when you say "zoomers" were sucking on their mommy's tits

>>85428047
where, your dad's basement? this board?
yeah, i know, that was my point.

>>85428054
Absolutely correct. Can confirm the exact same for Germany and England both. Americans are such fucking goycattle, the goyim are NOT ok. Their whole culture is solely made up of marketing and psyops. The very food they eat is poison for profit, every social trend they follow is for somebody to profit. Somebody.
Cui bono, zoomers? Cui bono? The promotion of trannerism, the promotion of feminism, the discouraging of fertile, stable households. Cui bono?
Americans can lick my balls

>>85428061
I accept your concession jeet

>>85428024
I think it's a perfectly reasonable response. If a guy is under 25, him being immature or more difficult in some ways is understandable.
If he's 35+ when I start dating him, and he has faults you'd expect of a 20 year old, on the other hand, there are probably permanent issues.

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>>85428123
you're a tranny, prag. i'm not interested in your opinions. i just like that you call yourself prag lmao. shut up, prag

>>85428133
>you're a tranny
No, I decided staying female made more sense.

>>85428145
bro it's known you're a tranny why are you tryna deny it lmao
mind who you tell things on discord dumbass

>>85428153
Literally don't know who you are. Must be mistaking me for someone else.

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>>85428085
Americans still have a chance to awaken and shake off their goy shackles. It certainly won't be easy due to how entrenched it is, but there's some hope.

>>85428159
the archive exists, you know this, right?

https://desuarchive.org/r9k/search/tripcode/%21E1U9AOKrBg/

>>85428176
Yep... And?
What about it?

>>85428055
my wife is a zoomer, anon.
the oldest zoomer is 29, which is older than my wife.

>>85428217
>oldest zoomer is 29

Yeah and young zooms disown me and millennials are insufferable

>>85428223
should have had a cool millennial older brother like me ;))

Tell me, are zoomers so ageist and harsh on older people because they are deathly afraid of getting older themselves?
I wanna know.
When I was 20 I sure as fuck wasn't thinking about the wrinkles and hairlines of 30-year-olds.
Yet kids these days foam at the mouth about height memes, canthal tilts, jawlines, hairlines, wrinkles etc.

What disgust me most about you zoom-zooms is that you pretend to be the most moral and empathetic and bodypositive generation to date. In reality you're the most superficial and dumbest.
I think it's a statistic fact that gen z is the first generation that's dumber than the one before it.

So yea this was my boomer rant. Now you can screech about how "it's over" for me and how my generation had it so easy and ruined the world for you guys.

>>85428198

If you're a biological foid I'd like to talk to you on Discord.

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>>85428030
Then why do I, a 45 year old man, get to pick from many cute teenagers? Why do they want me if they are soooo anti-agegap according to you, kekkeroo.

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>>85428672
i suppose because you live in your delusions where it is real.
the madman sees what he sees.

>>85427412
Its all a symptom of societal infantilization. age gaps are supposed to be a natural cycle.

>young fertile woman marries older man
>older man dies
>adult woman (25 lets say) is now wealthy with children
>she picks man either her age or around 40
>has more children, gains more wealth
>husband likely dies of something like men commonly do
>woman is now in early 40s, most of her children are gone
>her reproductive value is nill but she still yearns for companionship
>uses wealth to court a younger man in mid teens to early 20s
>stay together 20-30 years until she dies
>the man is now older and wealthy
>cycle repeats

Want to know why you can't get ahead in life? now you know

>>85428744
Maybe you are the madman, ever thought about that? Where do your beliefs even come from? I have MORE success with cute young women at 45 then when I was 25 or whatever, the current generation of young qt things are much more interested than say, 2002-era young women ever were. I'm starting that posters here are just extremely low charisma.

>>85427703
What a fucking retarded post to make.

>>85427622
what woman would want to be with a saggy dick man who has already lived his life? Stop reading ugly bastard hentai. In real life women like average to chad within their age group.

>>85427412
The same reason you do not want to date a woman who is 35 is the same reason a 20 something year old woman does not want to date a 35 year old man

What is so hard to understand? You guys are incels because you want to date people significantly younger than you? The fuck?

>>85427412
the most wholesome form of love is between a sensitive young man and a woman who is at least 4 years older than him

>>85427523
>Used goods aunty
Opinion - worthless

>>85427412
It's very specifically the mid 20's and early 30's group of zoomer girls who freak out about age gaps, 21 and younger unironically don't care at all. 25 year old gets the ick that I am over 30, but the 20 year old just acts even hornier. I strongly feel that they are somehow jealous of people younger than them so take out their frustrations in this way.

>>85427523
>No it wasn't lmao, what?
My parents literally have a 20 year age gap.

>>85429480
>strongly feel that they are somehow jealous of people younger than them so take out their frustrations in this way.
nta but this plays a role, yes.
hags are basically playing intra-sexual competition.

>>85427412
In my 20s I was a massive incel. Broke, skinny, immature, and had a baby face. Women my age wanted nothing to do with me. They went after older and more mature guys. Now that I've gotten older I'm getting the attention that I never got in my 20s. The point is that women are submissive and want a dominant and more powerful man. Being older makes you more powerful. People can screech about age gaps but it's in women's nature to be attracted to older guys. Women love that power imbalance. Height gap, wealth gap, personality gap, age gap. She won't view you as relationship material if you come off like a lil bro to her. Now uncs, that's who receives all the attraction from women. Zoomers are going to have to wait their turn like literally every generation of men before them.

>>85427690
>it's not biology, it's technology
So it's biology. Technology is a set of tools. It does not create flaws in humanity, it only highlights the ones that are already there.

>>85429053
yes you're very successful, anon on 4chan /r9k/. i see that now. we all believe you :)

Middle aged men seething when young women reject them because they honestly believed men like fine wine, a mans prime is 35-50 etc, is hilarious. Youve wasted your 20s banking on a massive cope, and have now hit the wall you didnt know existed for you
>>85427419
>cool older guys
Bahahahahaha

>>85427423
*age like

>>85428382
>I think it's a statistic fact that gen z is the first generation that's dumber than the one before it.
I have to bring up on here a lot that you have to control for race when you do calculations like this. Maybe there's still an effect, but you absolutely can't compare gen z to say gen x directly.

>>85428393
Thanks for the offer, but I'd rather not.

>>85428855
>early 40s and mid teens
Pretty weird even in the age of consent is 16. Peobably not the healthiest.

>>85429160
>The same reason you do not want to date a woman who is 35 is the same reason a 20 something year old woman does not want to date a 35 year old man
Exactly. I think a lot of women are reasonable, and if someone is otherwise incredible and has a good reason for being single at that age, we'd think about it. Usually there's baggage with guys who are getting older and still bachelors though, and that's not even to mention the genetic effects on his sperm. If he started out with great sperm, took care of himself, isn't bitter, etc., he's in the minority but may still do alright.

>>85429185
The male I want right now is ~5 years younger and I'd do almost anything to secure him.

>>85429480
>muh anecdotes
The data shows most women like guys around their age group to somewhat older. If you love big age gaps, that's your risk to take. I'm not stopping you.

>>85430100
>People can screech about age gaps but it's in women's nature to be attracted to older guys.
Again, in the data, it's typically older by not very much, at least for authentic attraction. A big reason divorce risk is way higher if there's a big gap is that she was probably never that into the guy physically to begin with and then ends up divorcing him. The data is best for marriages that are close in age, and when women can choose a life partner, usually they don't pick a large age gap

>>85430943
>>85430943
how old are you and how old is he? im 23 and for a 27-28 year old gf, there are many things i would do

>>85427703
It isn't 1970 anymore, grandpa.

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>>85427412
as a 33 year old male i can't fucking talk to women below the age of 25 or maybe even higher. they're all children. unformed brains. drama seeking. they're in that really fucking annoying part of the dunning-kruger bell curve where they think they know everything when they're just as clueless as they were a few years ago.

>>85431110
This but but for women of any age. They don't get smarter or wiser over time.

>>85431113
the ones that do already have someone locked down

>>85430977
(((The Data)))

lmao

>>85431068
When I asked AI recently, it said he was 21. Not sure if that's still accurate. I'm 26.

>>85427548
There was a study on age gap marriages and they failed at the same rate as any other marriage. The reason the proportion of them getting married is going down is because marriage in general is trending down.

having kids when you're an old man is pretty cringe and being a coomer who doesn't want kids as an old man is also pretty cringe. This is not their thought process however they are just victims of a feminist soilennial bucket crab.

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>>85431398
That doesn't align with any of the data I've ever seen on it. That study, if it exists, is an outlier (or maybe it was one of those ones that """controlled""" for a bunch of variables that were part of the causal chain to make it look like something wasn't up, not sure. I'd have to see the study.)

Picrel though, not sure what you're talking about so I can't speak further on it.

I would have liked to get a girl my age when I was 20. However, they weren't interested. It's 15 years later. I don't want girls my age anymore. They had ages to change their minds.

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You guys can hate on me all you want, but I don't recommend shooting the messenger. I'm not saying you can't take your own risks. I've opened my mind to the risk of going further down in age than I used to, even though I know that means he's more likely to leave me.

I'm just informing you guys here. Both men and women like youth, and both of us are more likely to stay with younger partners on average. I'm telling you guys this not to hurt your feelings, but to make you understand reality better and make more informed choices.

If you're a guy and want the lowest risk of her filing divorce on you, it helps to go older than yourself.

>>85431470
I don't think marrying an infertile woman is an effective way to start a family, but you do you.

>>85431489
>infertile
I wouldn't recommend this either. If you're already old, sure, maybe go younger. But also, don't underestimate fertility possibilities, especially with modern tech. My aunt had her kids in her mid-40s. (Health, race, finances etc. matter for this, though.) For just natural, I think my tradcath grandma stopped shortly before 40, and even she wasn't exactly perfect about health.

>>85431516
The average robot is mid 30s. And even if you do sink 50 grand on IVF, you're still stuck with an old woman who you know wouldn't have given you the time of day when she was young. How can you be happy with that?

Plus you're looking at an immediate 50% divorce risk simply due to her being a non-virgin.

And since she's in her late 30s she's a millennial, and millennial women think video games are a vice, so get ready to be nagged at any time you want to relax.

>>85431516
Starting early makes it possible to have children at a later age than if you hadn't, this is known. Hence why early pregnancies are a good thing.

>>85431534
>The average robot is mid 30s
This sounds wrong to me. I thought average age here was early 20s?
>Plus you're looking at an immediate 50% divorce risk simply due to her being a non-virgin.
There are a lot of factors going into divorce risk. Robots just meme the virgin one to death, because it's the one that appeals most ideologically.
Also, the amount of young virginal women who want to start a serious relationship with a mid-30s robot is relatively small.
And say you hold out and look for that special 18 year old, and you find her at nearly 40. The divorce risk is incredibly high anyway, probably higher than if you just found someone closer to your age now.

>>85431536
True, though a lot of robots overlook single mothers that are their equivalent in the dating market. (Not even saying they need to date single mothers, just pointing this out as a fact, that they usually have a lot working against them too.)

>>85431582
>This sounds wrong to me. I thought average age here was early 20s?
No? This is a millennial website.
>There are a lot of factors going into divorce risk. Robots just meme the virgin one to death, because it's the one that appeals most ideologically.
The CDC evaluates is at 80% chance of successful marriage if the woman has 0 pre marital sexual partners. 50% at 1, and then it steadily declines with each additional partner, although nowhere near the precipitous drop from 0 to 1.
>Also, the amount of young virginal women who want to start a serious relationship with a mid-30s robot is relatively small.
And the number of virginal women in their 30s is larger?
>And say you hold out and look for that special 18 year old, and you find her at nearly 40. The divorce risk is incredibly high anyway, probably higher than if you just found someone closer to your age now.
Well if you date someone your own age now, what do you get? An unhappy relationship with an old woman who views you with disgust and only tolerates you because you have material resources, and resents you for the fact that she couldn't get one of the men she was fucking in her youth to commit. That's not a good outcome. The best outcome is finding a young woman who has options and picks you anyways because she likes you. The next best thing is staying alone. The worst outcome is marrying a woman your age who wouldn't have touched you with a 10 foot pole when she was young and had options.

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>>85431637
>This is a millennial website.
Is it?
I'd have to see polling data. New people come here.
>The CDC evaluates is at 80% chance of successful marriage if the woman has 0 pre marital sexual partners. 50% at 1, and then it steadily declines with each additional partner, although nowhere near the precipitous drop from 0 to 1.
Where do RP guys keep getting this? This is not the first time I've seen an inaccurate summary of CDC data. Who is telling you this? Andrew Tate? Frsh and Fit?
Anyway, picrel.
>And the number of virginal women in their 30s is larger?
No, not the point I was making. An 18 year old virgin is a rare and highly desired type of woman, and usually will not want to marry a nearly 40 year old man. Those that do may just want his money or have psychological issues. It's a supply and demand issue.

>>85431743
National Survey of Family Growth. I'm sorry but a hallucinating LLM's retarded slop isn't an argument.

Anyways, I feel like you're misunderstanding things. Nobody's saying that it's easy to get a younger girl. It's difficult, but for an awkward nerdy man it's gonna be easier when you're older (I couldn't get a single date in my 20s. But I did get one date with a teenage girl in my early 30s). And likewise nobody's saying that you shouldn't get a girl your age when you're in your 20s. If you can, that's fantastic. But many of us couldn't. What do you think we should do? Give up? No.

>>85431784
>National Survey of Family Growth. I'm sorry but a hallucinating LLM's retarded slop isn't an argument
Okay, post the data then. I'll admit I'm wrong, but I don't think I am, because I've seen data on this topic enough times to know that sounds like bs.
>LLM
Typically I attach this stuff for support regarding things I'm already familiar with. It's quicker than digging up a bunch of individual links to studies.

>>85431743
You have replaced rational thought with blind appeals to statistics. All statistics need to be scrutinized in order to be useful. Your age gap statistics have an obvious confounder--gold-digging. There isn't as much opportunity for gold digging in same age relationships, and most gold digging relationships are age gapped. To get a fair comparison you'd have to remove gold diggers from the sample. Good luck getting that info from a self reported survey by the way.

Further, statistically speaking, interracial relationships between say, a white woman and black man are an even greater divorce risk... and I don't see you arguing against that. Nor do I see you arguing for white men to universally pair up with Asian women, which have the lowest divorce rate among racial pairings. If you're going to use divorce statistics as an argument, at least be consistent.

Making your decisions about who you should date based on statistics, which are famously methodologically flawed, sample biased, or even just outright changing randomly for no discernable reason is irrational. Two individuals always have more salient data on whether the relationship can succeed than whatever the statistics show.

>>85431806
>retarded zoomer who trusts LLM output has "seen enough data"
I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're going to dismiss the data anyways since I've already told you where it's from and that still isn't enough for you.

I also notice you're dancing away from the core issue which is that we're talking about the optimal course of action for men in their 30s, not for men in their 20s.

>>85431810
>>85431743
Further, the statistics tell us nothing about the tails, which, if we are trying to find some "ideal model" to design our life around, is the most important thing to consider, not statistical averages. In other words, what do the most successful of successful relationships look like? You have not answered this question.

An even better question that you also cannot answer: What is the ideal relationship for *me*? For all you know, it is a 15 year old girl, or maybe another girl that 13 years younger than me. I am an individual after all, what do the statistics say about me?

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>>85431810
>You have replaced rational thought with blind appeals to statistics.
No, I give statistics for context and to check others' delusions.
>Your age gap statistics have an obvious confounder--gold-digging
I brought this up several times and cited it as a reason these marriages ofren fail.
>Further, statistically speaking, interracial relationships between say, a white woman and black man are an even greater divorce risk... and I don't see you arguing against that.
Um... What? I'm not doing it, because it's not the thread topic. I have been pointing out the risks of interracial marriages for years, though, including WRT divorce.
>Nor do I see you arguing for white men to universally pair up with Asian women, which have the lowest divorce rate among racial pairings.
Partly because this is wrong. It's only true in the short term. Gotta get that green card first of course. Dissolution is on par or higher long-term, and this is despite higher typical SES.
>Two individuals always have more salient data on whether the relationship can succeed than whatever the statistics show.
I agree, and I've pointed this out also repeatedly. I distinguish individual choices and open-mindedness from the wider societal claims a lot of anons make. I'm simply pointing out that a lot of their claims are on average wrong and warped.

*often fail
>>85431867

>>85431845
>I'm gonna go out on a limb here and say you're going to dismiss the data anyways since I've already told you where it's from and that still isn't enough for you.
I'm daring you to post the data, because I know you're wrong about what it says.

>>85431847
>me
I don't know you as an individual. I have been posting data to inform anons like OP and those in here who don't understand how and why women select the way we do.

The reality is thst both men and women are typically attracted to youthful looking people. Some middle aged women will pay top dollar to go to "host clubs" or get railed by an early 20s Chad. (I chatted with a guy who used to be a prostitute. They were like twice his age calling him daddy. He could charge like a grand a night.) It's just like how some middle aged men will go to strip clubs or get hookers.

Men's resources matter more to their attractiveness than for women. For women, our fertility windows matter more. These are also factors in mating, and of course there's individual compatibility. It's not like women at 20 are typically, statistically looking at guys over 30 and saying "wow, prime dick to start a family." (That is, again, unless he is exceptional enough that the gap and older sperm don't matter.)

I assume a lot of anons here are confused like OP is about what's going on. I'm here explaining you overstate gender differences and are confused about what women are most initially sexually attracted to.

>>85431867
> Large age gaps are a huge divorce risk factor, like massive if the gap is big enough, beyond for something like body count or whatever meme.

You were clearly invoking this statistic as an argument, a justification against age gap pairings. Was it really "context"?

>I brought this up several times and cited it as a reason these marriages ofren fail.

Then you realize you aren't measuring what you think you're measuring right? Your age gap statistic is just a proxy for gold digging. You haven't answered the question of what the divorce risk is for an otherwise "healthy" relationship where the only difference is the age gap. You haven't isolated the independent variable. It could be the case that when you properly measure the divorce risk is lower! Then what would you say? Would you change your mind? Probably not.

>>85431896
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nsfg/index.htm
lazy nigger

>>85431947
>bro fell for the old sperm meme

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>>85427412
dont care. i'll get with whatever is legal. she can be 20 years younger or 20 years older. pussy is pussy.

>>85431979
>You were clearly invoking this statistic as an argument, a justification against age gap pairings. Was it really "context"?
I clarified repeatedly that I'm not against people making their own choices. I gave it as information, and yes, context.
Some guys here pretend anyone giving them any reality check is jumping down their throats or cockblocking them or trying to ban their strategy. No, I'm just saying these are riskier pairings and oftentimes the people in them aren't as attracted.
You guys displace your anger at the situation and want to shoot the messenger.
>Then you realize you aren't measuring what you think you're measuring right? Your age gap statistic is just a proxy for gold digging. You haven't answered the question of what the divorce risk is for an otherwise "healthy" relationship where the only difference is the age gap.
I don't know if there's any data on this. Also most guys aren't going to think they're getting into a gold digger marriage. Beyond gold digging, attraction is probably influenced especially if he's a lot older and hasn't aged well.
I don't know how often both partners have an understanding about the gold situation. I don't think tons of guys are like "yeah sign me up for a sugar baby."
>It could be the case that when you properly measure the divorce risk is lower.
Kek, to me seems like massive copium. I also don't know why that's a more "proper" measure than just including all the marriages together.
The divorce risk for a broke 35 year old guy with a 20 year old girl is probably still high, might even be higher. Not sure why someone would think otherwise.

Need yearly to mid 20s femanon wife to my mid 30s ass. I want people to be weirded out around us when I jokingly pretend she's my daughter in public while we flirt.

>>85432072
Highest divorce risk marrying any woman who's had guys before you. Best case is a coin flip.

>>85431986
I found this page too. Now quote where it says what you said. :)

>>85432095
>spoonfeed me!
Develop an attention span and read, nigger.

>>85432088
Again, this is wrong, and not what the data says.

>>85432120
No, I'm telling you you find it, because you're wrong about what it says. I'm trying to gently get you to understand, because you won't listen to it from me. I'm a woman. I know you are incorrect about the data. Go look. It doesn't say what you think it says. It would be absurd if it did.

>>85427412
>the improved version of a young man is a pedo
Men are shit

>>85427412
>Just read the profile of some 20yo girl saying
>>I'm tired of 30yo guys flirting with me
>Like what the fuck's wrong with 30yo guys?
nothing. women have no standards. any they set can and will be broken by any guy hot enough. she doesn't want 30yo guys to stop flirting with her. she wants broke non-chad 30yo guys to stop flirting with her

>>85432561
Took too long to find this.

>>85432159
>I'm a woman.
Explains how fucking retarded you are.

>>85427419
>this is entirely an american thing, in europe young women between 18-23 lust for cooler older guys.
It's incredibly common in the US as well. Young women have always gone after older men, and still do. But only the men are demonized for it, because the jew will do and say anything to harm healthy relationships and stop any chance of Whites finding wives.

Decades of relentless jewish propaganda has been used to demonize these relationships to give White girls more time to be brainwashed and guilted in jewish colleges to be bred by niggers first.

>>85432754
So retarded for pointing out how you guys are wrong?

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>Like what the fuck's wrong with 30yo guys? They're just improved versions of 20yo guys
Out of the things to complain about, this is a strange one. We would like a partner who is closer to our age, who we can relate to us better. I also don't like the idea of an egregious 10+ age gap because men already don't live as long, it would be a bit depressing for your husband to die, or develop health risks or disorders like Alzheimer's while you're still relatively able bodied. I see this with an aunt of mine, I believe they were genuinely in love but she's in her early 50s while he is in his late 60s and he's senile and frail, it seems hard for her. Call me selfish, but I don't think I can deal with that.

>>85427412
I'm treated like a fetish. I don't really know how to process it. It isn't the sole reason they are into me, but it is a big part, so I've been told.
I've obviously known people were like that, but it is weird actually experiencing it .
It doesn't matter to me though, we are happy. Who cares what others think?
I am a 30+ guy with a zoomer gf btw

>>85428382
>What disgust me most about you zoom-zooms is that you pretend to be the most moral and empathetic and bodypositive generation to date
Kek they're only body positive in the gayest way. I've never seen a zoomer call a fat person fat. I described a zoomer's coworker as "the fat one?" and he got a triggered look in his eyes.

Even if young women would love you their friends would cockblock you, she doesn't want to lose izzat

>>85431422
>having kids when you're an old man is pretty cringe
What are you talking about faggot most kids don't even have a dad at all

>>85432030
Yup. Fuck all the fart huffing larpers / minmaxxing armchair generals.

>>85427412
The only improvement I have in my 30's over my 20's is I have more money. Actually considering inflation and everything else I might not even have as much of a increase in wealth as I would like.