>>85428902
Because it's true, unlike the cope reversals.

The rebuttal is always that because the dudes aren't chad, they dont count

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>>85428902
Yep. They are full of crap.

>>85428902
I'm lonely because I can't find a single person I don't hate

>>85428922
Or the old gay false equivalency

>>85429398

I could take those profile pics, make a tinder profile, have 1000 matches within an hour and pick myself a 9/10 chad and have him at my house by the end of the day.

What the fuck are these girls smoking?

>>85429502
They want that 9/10 guy to appear in front of them and start flirting with them

>>85428902
There is a difference between someone who loves you and someone who wants to put their dick in you. All those randoms want pussy from her and are only kind because they think she's attractive, not because of anything actually having to do with her. Her body isn't lonely, it is her mind.

>>85429513
>Her body isn't lonely, it is her mind.
lol. lmao even.
She wants both. She demands the 9/10 chad that also will be exclusively interested in her boring ass vapid life. She refuses to compromise on either of those, which is why she is alone.

>>85429549
You obviously get all your information from Xwitter posts. Like I said, there is a difference between someone who actually loves you for you and someone who just wants to put their dick in you. The latter are plentiful, but that doesn't help loneliness. Every time I see "women want X," the number is different.

>>85429502
Women's problem is that said 9/10 chad doesn't want to commit to them because he's only interested in fucking them, that's literally what situationships are

>>85428902
right wingers don't seem to understand that you can't just debate away stupid people's stupid habits and rationalizations

>>85428902
Well I'm ugly so no guy even talks to me. no guy has ever acknowledge my existence.

Women don't want men who treat them with respect. Most women hate themselves, why would they want a man who thinks they are worth something if they themselves know they aren't? they just think you are a sucker

>>85429582
Being treated with respect and care allows them to feel safe and loved. Yes, there are avoidant people, but that isn't all people. Those avoidant people will also only get better once someone comes along and has patience with them. It's the same for both genders. Everyone is just living out patterns set for them in childhood.

>>85429560
And what I am saying is a lot of the time when you see these lonely women, they do nothing to actually cultivate someone taking an interest in them as a person. And when someone does, they reject him for superficial reasons, not willing to extend that same courtesy.
Now is this all lonely women? No of course not. Am I arguing for women to just put out for the horny ones? God no, that is half the reason we are in this mess.
But the most vocal of the lonely women, the ones you see complaining, are like this.

>>85429604
Yes, I understand there are people like that, but it is not all women by any means. You also need to understand how hard it is to wade through a sea of people who only see you as a body. There are so many. It is like finding a needle in a haystack, even if you're doing the right shit and trying to attract someone for the right reasons.
OP asked for a rebuttal and I gave one.

>>85429600
most women are too broken to accept actually care and respect. don't even think about trying to stop them from hurting themselves

>>85429623
Fair enough. I just think it is a rebuttal for a small portion of women in that situation.
Unfortunately I think the majority of women aren't like that. Just like unfortunately most men just want to get their dick wet. We are all primal creatures chasing out base instincts, and the societal norms that attempted to keep those in check are eroding away. You are right, it is a needle in a haystack. For both sexes.
>people who only see you as a body
Men get that too. Or if not their body, what they can offer materially.

>>85429623
Still not really a rebuttal. Having to sort through a bunch of men to find the good one might be tiring but at the end of the day you can find one. Men just straight up have no matches

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>>85428902
the rebuttal is simply a picture of topiachu

>>85429679
The point is having a bunch of people who just want to put their dick in you is not a cure to loneliness. It doesn't actually fix anything. Loneliness can only be fixed by actual love and care, which is nearly impossible to find, hence why the girl in the meme is still lonely. Also, if you reject a man, all those kindnesses he did to try to court you are turned against you and you're called a "fat bitch" or whatever, even if their only drive was to fuck you.

>>85429697
>Loneliness can only be fixed by actual love and care, which is nearly impossible to find
Sad but true. The other sad part is that most modern women are unlovable.

>>85429665
Yes, I agree with you, but just because it is both sexes, doesn't make my explanation any less "valid," I don't think.

>>85429707
So are most modern men. It just is what it is. You have to wade through so much and do a lot of self-work to find the one. It is extremely hard to not give up. Dating apps and the death of third spaces have absolutely doomed the younger generations.

>>85429697
>I'm so lonely :(
>Also all the men I reject act mean after
Listen to what you are saying ffs

>>85428902
the rebuttal is that most people just suck and proximity to most people is enough to make you miserable despite the fact that you crave intimacy

>>85428902
replace the roses with condoms and then youd be correct

>>85429683
Topiachu has a lesbian girlfriend though

>>85429398
>I would rather waste my youth waiting for a man to ask me out than ask one guy out ever
why are they like this?

>>85429697
I hate how often women say this shit. I think the guys exclusively after sex are a minority. I don't believe you at all.

A guy shows interest in you, you don't like him, you treat him badly, reject him, and then you rationalise it later to yourself by saying he was only after sex because otherwise you'd have to confront that you're a hypocrite and your problems are ones of your own making.

>>85429726
If you reject a man who only wants your body, then I don't see what's wrong with that?
Also, people are allowed to tell you no and you don't have to verbally assault them.

>>85429769
You have never tried dating as a woman, so you are literally just talking out of your ass. You have no idea how common this is.

>>85429697
Sex still gets your foot in the door. You just have to go through a few scumbags and you'll eventually get someone that actually cares about you. Most men don't have that privilege.

because every guy behind the door is handing her a flower because they want her to spread her legs? they dont genuinely care about her or even want to get to know her most likely, theyre just sex obsessed moids that want to fuck her, so she wisely opts to remain alone in her room

>>85429792
No, I am going to wait on sex. I have had multiple relationships fail, because I didn't want to have sex immediately. No, they weren't "Chad"s and yes, we were looksmatched.
It is so much better to wait and see if a guy actually likes YOU, not just your body, and is willing to wait to have sex with you. When your body count counts against you so much, it is also better to wait.

>nobody has disproven my perception of my extremely flawed premise, so I must be RIGHT!

Let's be very honest with ourselves here, if I were to explain simply why you're wrong, would you first be able to understand it, and second be able to accept it if you're mistaken especially since it will negatively impact your warped views of yourself that you rely on for self worth?

I feel we know the answer.

>>85429792
Most of those men are ugly though.

>>85429827
Even ugly guys just want to put their dick in you. They are the same as Chads. They want a virgin whore, who will give it up very shortly after getting together and will call you a user if you don't.

>>85429777
And how can you tell? Why do you assume a guy has bad intentions rather than genuinely being into you?

Separate question, why do you treat a guy finding you sexually attractive as an insult? It means you're pretty. It means you turn him on. Biologically, his hormones rage when around you and make him want to spend time with you. Being sexually attractive to a guy is literally the strongest start you can have to a relationship and the best thing you can do to guarantee he'll be loyal. Would you rather he NOT want sex with you? I don't get it.

>>85429804
>>85429832
>I'm not a virgin and I've been in several relationships
>But I'm still a femcel though!! I'm so lonely!!! Don't you see how hard women have it? Several men wanted me but I didn't want them, life is so horrible for women like me

>>85429697
>waaaah out of my 1000 daily matches only 500 want to date le long term
Meanwhile most of us, dont want anything other than a long term relationship ,have never had a date and probably never will

>>85429833
>And how can you tell? Why do you assume a guy has bad intentions rather than genuinely being into you?
Because that has been the pattern. No man will wait for sex.
>Separate question, why do you treat a guy finding you sexually attractive as an insult? It means you're pretty. It means you turn him on. Biologically, his hormones rage when around you and make him want to spend time with you. Being sexually attractive to a guy is literally the strongest start you can have to a relationship and the best thing you can do to guarantee he'll be loyal. Would you rather he NOT want sex with you? I don't get it.
I just want to be seen as more than my body, but horniness makes men reduce women to an object. It will override his ability to tell if he actually likes you, or if it is just his dick.

>>85429846
I am a virgin. The relationships failed because I wouldn't give up my virginity. I don't claim to be a "femcel," but I have pretty much given up at this point.

>>85429852
I don't use dating apps and refuse to do so. They are for hookups and I absolutely hate the culture.

>>85429867
Alright
>waaaaah out of the 50 different people who approached me this week only 25 wanted to date and marry me
Meanwhile we will never be able to marry a girl we like and have a family because were sub8s

>>85429881
No one approached me this week. Like I said, my relationships have failed because I didn't want to have sex immediately. I don't have the courage to get my heart broke again. You have your own problems, I have mine. I have gotten with "sub 8s" and know plenty of women with them as well. I don't know where you're from, but that isn't a thing here.

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>>85429861
>No man will wait for sex.
Just because men are impatient about it doesn't mean that's all they're after. A girl having sex with a guy is the main way she shows commitment and that she's taking him seriously and truly likes him and wants him long term. Sometimes it's genuinely not even about the horniness or about the pleasure of it, it's the only way to tell a girl isn't wasting your time and is into you. You think making a guy wait and him doing so is how he should show he truly likes you and isn't using you, I understand that. But the male perspective is that unless you're giving it up, you yourself aren't taking the relationship seriously and don't think it will go anywhere. You'll use him for a few dates, get bored, and he'll have waited his time and feel like a failure because you didn't desire him sexually and didn't give it to him.

For what it's worth, I think you being a virgin makes you justified and the guy wrong. You're in the right to make a guy wait if that's the case. But I do hope you at least understand the male perspective. A girl giving up sex is the only sign there is that she truly likes you and is commiting to you, and if she's refusing it, a guy will assume she's wasting his time and doesn't really like him. I have this exact same mindset too and I'd only turn it off for a virgin because it's a unique situation, but if you weren't one, if you were refusing sex by the third date I would cut contact. And you'd be wrong to assume I was only after sex, to me that'd just be the sign that you aren't into me.

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>>85429867
>I don't use dating apps and refuse to do so. They are for hookups and I absolutely hate the culture.
rare case of a woman being based

>>85429890
>I consider them sub8 so they must be
Kek
No girl will ever look at us, talk to us or be interested in us.
Youre upset because the many guys who are into you arent attractive/rich enough
Its not the same situation

>>85429901
I'm so confused about men and how they feel about women's sexuality. You don't know by the third date if you will be together forever, but apparently a man needs sex that bad? But will also vilify non-virgins/people with body counts, even if those people had sex within the context of relationships? There's guys out there who get grossed out by it. So, how do you think a woman should navigate the dating world? Because there are two opposite things they say. I am just so confused by it. I think this is why women become whores, even if that life isn't for me.

>>85429804
>It is so much better to wait and see if a guy actually likes YOU
I genuinely mean this in the most complimentary way, you are a fluke. Women don't seem to think this way now.
But, assuming >>85429853 is also you,
>No man will wait for sex
isn't entirely true. Most don't because everything is so blackpilled, they figure if they have an opportunity, they might as well use it, because they may never have the opportunity again.
Also also, because most women don't think like you, men are used to them putting out quickly.
none of that is good, but it is what is.

>>85429907
You can reread my replies and see that isn't true. Sorry that you feel the way you do, but I am not one of those women.

>>85428902
the real version of that pic would have her be 4x her weight

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>>85429861
>>85429901
>>85429918
Can't you put yourself into a guy's shoes? He's into you and he finds you attractive. He's talking to you and taking you out on dates. He finds you hot, so he wants to fuck you, so he initiates sex. You say no. How is he meant to take that? The obvious interpretation is that you aren't into him. Is it not a justified and rational response to then stop talking to a girl who isn't into you? That doesn't mean he's after sex or you not wanting sex is the deal breaker, although it might seem like that on the surface. The actual dealbreaker is that you don't want him. You can't even say that you find this unrelatable, because the main reason you broke up with these men is because you thought they didn't want you. I don't know them personally, but a big motivation for us wanting sex is proof, it's literally the exact same thing you want but for men.

Also, I literally just don't get it. You've gone on three dates with a guy, and apparently he's treated you well. You don't find him sexually attractive? You're not turned on at all? No shit he'll stop seeing you and try his luck with the next girl. You literally don't like him, and then you break up with him, and then accuse him that he didn't really like you and was only after sex.

Have I explained myself well? I'm trying really hard to make my point. Sex isn't just about the act and pleasure of it and the horniness of the guy, it is the one way a guy can tell without a doubt that a woman is genuinely into him, that his time isn't being wasted, and that this relationship is going somewhere. You broke up with these men because they didn't give you that proof, and on their side and from their perspective, they feel the exact same way.

You genuinely don't understand men at all.

>>85429938
The reason the relationships ended is because they would not wait for sex. I told them I wanted to wait and they said they needed it, so it had to end there.
Why would I give up my virginity if I'm not sure if the relationship would work out, especially when non-virgins and women with body counts are so vilified? Why can't we wait at least till engagement, like the old days? You're describing a new culture that I can't personally get behind.

>>85429773
You don't have to be nice either. Why should you be nice to someone rejecting you

if a woman withheld sex for too long I'd assume she had an STD that she was ashamed of and would NOPE the fuck out of there

>>85429976
You can just accept it. Say okay, end it there. If I'm not mean, then you don't have to be.
>>85429979
People used to wait to marriage to have sex. Modern culture has rotted everyone's brains.

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>>85429956
As I said, I think you're right in the end specifically because you're a virgin. That's a unique circumstance that makes the guy in the wrong for rushing you. Even though I sympathize with them (even if you don't) because being rejected for sex is hurtful and a good sign a girl isn't into you, it is specifically because you have a good reason to wait that they're in the wrong to be butthurt about it.

End of the day, the guy wants the exact same thing you do. He wants someone who genuinely likes him and isn't using him for something. Only from his perspective, the sign that that's happening is getting sex, while for you, it's apparently waiting and being fine with being denied sex.

Also, one more question. Did you not want sex at all? I don't know how female sexuality works, but if by the third date you're not desiring it even a little bit, have you thought that you just weren't into the guy? I don't think that's normal if you like a man. You can't then villify him and say he was only after sex when you weren't into him. He's right to not treat you as relationship material if you don't like him back. It doesn't mean he's only after your body.

>>85429956
Id of just pinned you down and took it from you

>>85429987
You can but it's fun to be mad about it
also i'd disagree rejection isn't mean. you're essentially saying you don't find that guy's genes worth surviving

>>85429993
Can you answer the bit about how women are supposed to navigate dating, then? If you have a body or even a few, then you are villainized. But if you don't give it up, then you are also villainized (by most). Do you kind of understand this predicament? Most men want a pure whore, which doesn't make sense.
I do feel sexual and physical desire, but it also doesn't override all this going on in my head as well. People used to wait till marriage to have sex. I am okay with things like hand holding and cuddling, but I just draw the line at sex. If he waits, then we can get to know if we actually belong together and can make it work; but, if he doesn't, then he can move on to the next. It's okay, but I don't think what I'm asking for is wrong either.

>>85430013
+1 to this, all rejection is inherently mean and hurtful. A guy can still be mature about it and not hold it against you but I absolutely hate the narrative women spew that it's a neutral action or that it isn't personal. It is always a personal attack on you if a woman rejects you. That's just how it is. If a guy gets mad or takes rejection badly, he is justified.

>>85430013
No, that isn't what that is saying. I have the right to choose who I let in my body. He can find another mate. It's not like my rejection bars him from passing on his genes with another person.

>>85430031
You have a right to fuck whoever you want, someone you rejected has the right to be offended you don't see them as fuckable. They can find someone else who you think has fucked up taste lol

>>85430025
It may be hurtful, but it isn't inherently mean. It is not mean to tell someone "no." Now, if someone goes off on a tangent being mean with the rejection, I get it, but to lash out at someone for telling you "no," is wrong.

>woman won't put out
>can't tell if she really likes you or not
>start splitting the bill
>she either dumps you or proves she's taking you seriously
two can play at this game

>>85430043
There is so much more to dating than genes. There is also personality, tastes, a compatible sex drive, and culture. Plenty more, too. I don't know why you're taking what I'm saying so personally.

>>85430053
That's definitely fair. I think the bill for dates should be split or you take turns covering each other, etc etc.

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>>85430022
>Can you answer the bit about how women are supposed to navigate dating, then? If you have a body or even a few, then you are villainized. But if you don't give it up, then you are also villainized (by most). Do you kind of understand this predicament? Most men want a pure whore, which doesn't make sense.
You're right, it's a contradiction, you're not missing anything. I think you have it very hard. I'm not arguing against you in this thread or saying you did anything wrong, I think the guys were in the wrong ultimately, I just sympathise with them because I'm also a guy and I know where they're coming from. If I was in your position I'd imagine I'd act the same as you and also hate the men because I don't understand their perspective.
>People used to wait till marriage to have sex.
I'm another virgin and despite what I said I kind of glorify waiting for marriage too. I wish I could do it. Believe it or not, I'm on your side. But it's just impossible for a man. You might be the one girl who's pure and genuinely looking for love, but a lot of girls aren't. I hate to use this as a terminology because it takes the romance out of dating, but until you show commitment in the form of sex, you are an investment that hasn't paid off. The guy is putting money, time, and effort into you in the hope of getting a long term relationship - that's the end goal. And the main indicator of that is sex. If he spends 6 months with you, and you ultimately decide you don't want him as a partner, it's so pathetic and such a huge loss of time for him. Hanging out with you might be enjoyable and he found the time with you to be genuinely fun and worthwhile, but it still feels like it was an investment that went nowhere. I'd actually be so down to wait for marriage with a woman, but it is such a massive investment and if it goes nowhere I'd blow my brains off. At least that's my perspective because I like thinking long term rather than living in the moment.

>>85430022
>People used to wait till marriage to have sex
this was fine when divorce didn't exist
now modern marriages are terrifying for men and it's like having a woman pointing a gun at your head and saying "don't worry, I probably won't have to use it"

>>85430054
>There is also personality
>I don't know why you're taking what I'm saying so personally.
bruh

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>>85430081
While we're on this topic, can I have some advice from you? I don't want to push a woman away accidentally, so I want your perspective. How would the ideal guy treat you in the beginning of the relationship? Could you describe me your ideal partner and how you want the dates to play out in the beginning? How should he handle sex? Should he not mention it at all? What's your general timeline on when it starts being acceptable as a topic? I'm a guy with a healthy sex drive, if I'm dating a girl, no shit I want to make love to her. But I also don't want to push anyone away. So what's the best way to handle it in your opinion?

Btw I'm really glad you're here and you're willing to engage in a discussion. I genuinely really appreciate it

>>85430081
I don't hate the men, and I'm not sure where you are getting that from. I do not hate those men, but they did break my heart.
The man isn't the only one on a biological clock and dating is a gamble for everyone. I also split the check and don't believe in letting the man cover "because he's supposed to." I will always offer to split the check and if he denies, then I will just sneakily cover the next one. I understand that there are women out there who use dates for a meal or whatever, but I'm sure there are more people like me out there. There just has to be, even if they are non-virgins.
Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it doesn't. It always hurts when it ends. But that is just life. For both genders.
Thank you for explaining, though. I appreciate the effort you put in and for not being mean about it.

>>85430118
Look at everything else I said. You can also just not be compatible personality-wise. That is no one's fault.

>hey /r9k/! Look! I posted it yet agsin because I'm a retard!

>>85430137
You have to admit it's funny you asked why rejecting someone based on personality is personal

>rebuttals have been reposted countless times
>OP always ignores it and sometimes resort to /pol/spam
Don't bother.

Why are a bunch of men trying to break into my apartment? Also
>average femcel.jpg
One of major rebuttal is anyone claiming to be a femcel is a hideous troon.

>>85430174
where are these rebuttals?

>>85430119
>How would the ideal guy treat you in the beginning of the relationship?
I'm kind of old school, so little things go a long way with me. Old gentlemanly tactics like holding open the door or pulling out my chair work well. I guess, just gently showing you care in little ways. Doesn't have to be anything crazy.
>Could you describe me your ideal partner and how you want the dates to play out in the beginning?
I really don't have a hyper-specific preference, but just someone who is genuinely kind. Someone who cares about the vulnerable, loves animals. Someone who is in touch with their emotions, and therefore able to understand other's emotions. Someone who is just generally respectful. I tend to like men who are into things like philosophy and enjoy thinking about the world.
Just chatting and smiling and laughing with each other. Sharing stories. Making observations about the world around us. Someone just being present with me. Most people are not present, they are somewhere else in their mind.
>How should he handle sex? Should he not mention it at all? What's your general timeline on when it starts being acceptable as a topic?
This one is tricky, I think. No matter what, if you like someone, then you will have thoughts of sex. I know I should probably have more advice, but I am the one who has brought it up, due to me personally being a virgin and wanting to wait. I think some girls will start talking about sex and that's when you should chime in? Sorry, I wish I had more on this. As for the timeline, I think this is very situational.
Also, yeah, not a problem! I appreciate you engaging with me as well. This sort of thing isn't easy to talk about and can get emotional.

>>85430148
I guess, but do you see what I'm saying? There are certain personality traits that conflict with each other.

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>>85430199
Those are reasonable standards. Actually, I'm ngl I find you describing your perfect partner really cute. You sound like a really sweet girl. Thanks for responding. I do hope you find your man eventually if you're still looking.

You know what? I might as well try. I want to get to know you better. Would you be open to talking 1-on-1 on discord? I am sincerely looking for a long term relationship, and obviously I wouldn't pressure you into anything. We can just get to know each other over a week or two, and if you don't think we vibe, you can cut it off and I won't hold it against you. For some extra info, I'm 21 and from the UK. I'm this guy >>85429769 >>85429833 >>85429901 >>85429938 >>85429993 >>85430081 >>85430119 .

I thought we had a nice discussion and I really appreciate you engaging. I also thought your last post was really nice and I think you have reasonable standards and are a good person. Even if you don't want anything, have a nice evening either way femanon. I'm just shooting my shot.

My discord is "duskovich1". Again, it's entirely up to you, but I just had to try.

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>>85430081
Notice how she refused to concede to any of your points in this entire conversation? I would wager she got your points from your very first post already and just wants to stay ignorant, since let's be real, it's really not difficult AT ALL to understand and you articulated yourself well.
Word of advice from someone who sees a younger version of himself in you; you are wasting your time trying to convince women to see your point of view. They don't lack the capacity to understand us, they simply refuse to, because they are very well aware that accepting that men are more nuanced than "ooga booga me no sex, me no stay" means they have to sympathize with us, which also includes men they harbor resentment towards, and to find a woman who has that level of maturity AND is interested in being in a committed relationship with you is practically impossible nowadays for various reasons.
You have a good head on your shoulders, hope you use it well and not let yourself get blinded by your own emotions when dealing with women, like I once did when I still had some optimism left in me.

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>>85430258
No response so I assume that's a no. Thanks for the talk anyways. Good night

>>85430370
Kazusa best girl

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>>85429513
Lmao imagine hot girls being nice, taking you out to dinner, and then trying to smash on the first date only to ghost the next day because she did all that for dick.

Foids have it so good and they still complain.

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A girl who had a 50+ body count ghosted me, a dateless virgin, because she couldn't stop comparing me to her abusive ex and didn't believe I loved her and would be loyal when we literally shared our trauma and cried together and swore to make our own happy family
she happily played with my heart and threw it out like garbage
women are incapable of love, even the ones who fool you at first
never trust a woman, ever, especially about anything related to relationships or their feelings
they are genuinely evil

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>>85430712
>when we literally shared our trauma and cried together and swore to make our own happy family
>she happily played with my heart and threw it out like garbage
I don't think I could ever recover from that. Hope you are doing okay, anon.

>>85430761
she was the first and only person I've ever genuinely loved in my entire life
I've never felt so comfortable around anyone
last time I ever make that mistake
we talked to each other nonstop for days on end and were utterly obsessed with each other, she was going to come pick me up and whisk me away to her place this past weekend
instead I was alone in my room feeling utterly numb, like I have been for my entire fucking life
I hate women so fucking much I wish they would all die

>>85430199
>Someone who is in touch with their emotions, and therefore able to understand other's emotions
So someone who isn't like you since you clearly have shown to be unable to understand other's emotions.
Women really just say shit with zero self-awareness. Just empty platitudes rehearsed over and over again.

>>85430174
I have not seen a single valid rebuttal. As I said in the OP, every response has either proven my point or committed some sort of fallacy, usually false equivalence.

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Women are naturally desired and don't need to put in effort. This is known.

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>>85428902
Women cannot suffer it is socially impossible

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>>85432190
she's ugly as fuck but that was a genuinely funny 5 second video

>>85428902
Not a woman but I also do this. I don't really think it's an issue. There are plenty of people I COULD hang out with, but they're not the people I WANT to hang out with. Pretty simple

>>85429764
And have you ever asked a woman out?

>>85429764
It's a shit test. They only want to date men who are assertive enough to make the first move.

>>85432089
Hilarious when women see this and try to pretend it isn't true

>>85429560
>but that doesn't help loneliness
It literally does
Stop lying

>>85429623
>but it is not all women by any means
It literally is
Stop lying

>>85429697
>a bunch of people who just want to put their dick in you is not a cure to loneliness
It literally is
Stop lying

>>85432229
Why we do it when we know women will never want a sub8?

>>85428902
There's no rebuttal because it isn't an argument, it's a fact

Stop arguing with women, when will you learn we're genuinely different and we can't coexist together in the long term? We need to fucking separate world in half, and build artificial wombs to keep the species living.

>>85429764
Because women are weak in mind, body and spirit while also expecting things to be done for them without no effort on their part. It's mostly cause by the gynocentric culture we have now where women are taught (usual as a mate guarding strategy by other women) to expect men to do absolutely all the heavy lifting in the relationship. This girl, despite allegedly getting no male attention, still thinks she too good to put in any effort in getting a man's attention.

>>85432216
>There are plenty of people I COULD hang out with, but they're not the people I WANT to hang out with
Being somewhat picky about your friendships isn't the same as rejecting a vast majority of men because your standards are too high and you deluded yourself into thinking you are way better than you really are.

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>>85428902
All any femcel has to do to get attention is go outside

>>85434910
I reject the vast majority of people when it comes to all types of social interaction, anon. That's just how things work.

>>85429683
the topic is about humans, not hutts

>>85430022
forget this villainized shit
not every guy wants just sex
but every guy who would want you will want sex
they are in the right for seeing your rejection as not liking them
this wait for sex is stupid, you do it for the sake of a potential marriage but you don't even know if the guy wants to marry
nowadays marriage (and even living together, and dating) is a liability for men, do not expect them to put their libido on hold for this
the current dating market is not going away anytime soon, and women wanted it this way
the alternative is what was before, traditional marriages, no divorce etc, that's gone
if you want to make a guy wait for sex then you do not really like him, move on

>>85432089
elaborate on meaningfully shy

>>85428902
the typical girl gets at least 500 guys in her dms/week
90% of them aren't attractive, so she has to filter out the chopped brads
so she has to narrow her selection down to 50 chads and cosign with her friends to make sure hes not just another chad they've all fucked already
leaving 10 chads to vet hoping they don't give her the ick or set off redflags like pushing to fuck on first date

so you can see the dilemma and how its literally impossible for women to have any meaningful relationships

>>85428902
The problem with this topic is that you can explain it to cocksleeves but they'll never ever ever EVER accept it because in their minds they are the real victim, always.

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Women want to be pumped and dumped by chad. If they didn't they would team up with incels and work towards bringing our lost traditional society back

>>85436892
I know a 6/10 girl who would get extra stuff like free sides at restaurants, or free drinks, and really big tips from men when she worked as a waitress... and she was too stupid to understand it was because she was a moderately attractive woman. As if men get even 1/100th of that.

>>85436927
Kinda makes you want to force them to get addicted to hard drugs so you can watch them fall apart in real time haha.

>>85436889
Women expect you to make the first move, because if you're not assertive enough to do that, how can you be strong enough to protect her and her offspring? It's nature. Only a woman autistic enough to not have that base instinct would show any interest at all in a guy who doesn't make the first move

>>85437196
which part of this is meaningfully shy instead of just shy?

>>85437249
Nta but some women I know are "shy" but that just means they don't like new people they aren't used to, and once used to you, she isn't shy at all.

And then there's people who are shy even with people they know and trust.

>>85437196
Nobody who can actually protect a woman wants to approach a modern woman. There's a reason women can only find beta soiboys now

>>85437196
This is what "Chad" really is. Chad is the guy who can fulfill women's base instinct of desiring someone to protect their offspring.