How do I stop being nonchalant? It's apparently one of the biggest icks for foids these days.I don't really see what the problem is.
You do sort of need a "planner/decider" and a "follower" type person in a relationship.Other than asking you to by them specific things, women HATE being forced into the planner/decider role.They also view being nonchalant as feminine, weak & gay.It also makes it look like you don't care, which basically is what nonchalant is.Be more decisive and see what happens."We're doing X then Y this weekend, come on."Never offer them choices, just say what's happening and watch them not care to refuse.Asking why something is a turn off is largely a waste of time, just accept that it is and adapt.
>>85437350If by "nonchalant" you mean you go with the flow and aren't quick to anger, then that's actually good.If you mean you don't care about anything at all and take a passive role in your own life, then that's pretty unattractive to anyone.
>>85437374Do they really conflate it with the whole planning/deciding stuff? I knew about that but I don't really think that's the same thing.To me, I always viewed my nonchalantness as a positive. As in I'm in control of my emotions and won't fly off the handle in rage at whatever stupid shit happens. You would think women would like that, but I guess not.>>85437401If by "nonchalant" you mean you go with the flow and aren't quick to angeryeah just saw this as I was typing. So when they say they don't like nonchalant men, they're not talking about that I guess?
>>85437401>If by "nonchalant" you mean you go with the flow and aren't quick to anger, then that's actually good.>If you mean you don't care about anything at all and take a passive role in your own life, then that's pretty unattractive to anyone.Perfect description.Just set some goals, decide on some wants and values and insist on acting accordingly.
>>85437407>Do they really conflate it with the whole planning/deciding stuff? I knew about that but I don't really think that's the same thing.Yeah that's the overlap, watch for it.>As in I'm in control of my emotions and won't fly off the handle in rage at whatever stupid shit happens.This part is excellent, always keep a handle on your anger.What you're missing is a passion for something.When you talking about how much you love X, how excited you are for Y and won't Z be great you can infect the other person with this positive emotion.Then they want to go along with you to experience more of it.No emotion at all or excitement at all is uninteresting and dull.
>>85437374>Be more decisive and see what happens.>"We're doing X then Y this weekend, come on.">>85437444>When you talking about how much you love X, how excited you are for Y and won't Z be great you can infect the other person with this positive emotion.This actually sounds like some great advice. Didn't expect that from here. That said I don't know what I can do about the passion. I just don't get that way about much. I remember how, when I was younger, kids my age would always decorate their rooms with posters and wear graphic tees of shows/games they liked and I never got the appeal. Sure, I would enjoy some of that media myself but they were just ways to pass the time for me, I never was passionate about it enough to keep looking at it or make it part of my identity or anything. I also don't get people who rewatch shows or replay games either. One time is always enough for me. I mostly just spend all day browsing the internet, only taking a break when some good game/show comes out, finishing it, then going back like nothing happened. I've even done a lot of travel recently and honestly, it's not something I'm passionate about either. It's more fun imagining living in another country than actually doing it.
>>85437350lol imagecode?
>>85437350Like everyone else has said, they view it as passive, a lack of drive.Which is true, desu. But that shouldn't preclude us from wanting a relationship. Foids don't see it as a growth opportunity. Most don't want to be the one to give us passion, they want to leach off it.This >>85437618 really hits close to home. People like us probably need an atypical woman, with a little more "masculine" energy
>>85437401>you have to be driven to do stuff in this goyhole of a world, and smile broI wonder if there is anything more cucked and niggerish than that kind of a mindset.
>>85437618Some more advice here that you might find interesting.A lot of information on the errors you might inadvertently be making.Browsing the internet might be a contributing factor here, might be worth limiting.Shows are good though. Discuss your favourite shows with others and get them "into" it.Always identify and inflame emotions like I said earlier.Same thing with identifying motivations.If you can't get interested in things then get interested in people.Ask what they like, why they like it and when they can do it again.Other people are an enormous resource for interesting things, and telling people they're interesting will make them like you.Passive people can become great listeners, which women love, so long as you keep asking questions and tease a little here and there to keep the game spicy.Learn how to bounce back answers, probe and expand.Start to think about shit other people like that you could do with them then plan it.People will go nuts being the centre of attention like this.
>>85437756>I wonder if there is anything more cucked and niggerish than that kind of a mindset."I might be a 35 year old virgin but at least I'm not a cucked nigger."4channers everyone.
>>85437763>unironic recommending robert greenelmao so indian
>>85437783Yes that is correct, glad someone actually gets it.Me being 35 virgin i proudly wear as a badge here if it means people understand im not a nigger and not a cuck because of what it implies, what it takes to be a 35 khv.As a wise man once said:"You are a nigger, you are a fucking nigger!"
