I have a jury trial in 4 days. I'm nervous as fuck. Either I wall or I'm doing like 3 years in prison. I just want to say how fucking retarded this whole concept of a jury trial is. Someone made serious accusations against me. I was arrested and charged based on these accusations. I deny it happened. Now what in the fuck do 12 random people have to do with this? Do we have a time machine to go back and observe what actually happened? No. I say something didn't happen, another person says it did. How can these fucking random people have any access to the past and decide what did and didn't occur?It's all just stories. The actual truth of what happened has nothing to do with the trial. What the jury is deciding on is whether the story the prosecutors spin is supported by whatever bullshit they conjure up. If the jury is convinced by the story, I go to prison. If not, I walk. The actual truth of what happened is irrelevant. It's inaccessible. Even I, WHO was actually there, don't have a time machine. All I have is my memories. My memories aren't a portal to the past. I dunno I'm just stressed and feel like this is fucking retarded. If they "prove" my guilt, it's nothing to do with what actually happened. All it is is 12 random fucking people got convinced by a story the prosecutors weave. The actual truth is inaccessible, and irrelevant. I'll walk or go to prison based on fairy tails.
>>85483439So what'd you do anon
>>85483445Or didn't do maybe he's innocent maybe he's not only he knows let's just hope the jury does its job of proving his innocence or proving him guilty
>>85483445He had post robot depression, he didndu nuffin
>>85483463Robot psychosis
>>85483457Nah dis nigga guilty
Almost everything we do is some stupid ritual bullshit
>>85483439You should make an attempt to sit in the jury box.
>>85483445I broke up with my gf, moved all my stuff into a separate room and wanted to move back to my parents house. Throughout our relationship (about 4 months) she had been stealing prescription pills from me. When I broke up with her she stole ALL my pills. I confronted her angrily and demanded to know where they were. She refused to tell me so I completely lost it and shoved her into a wall. She screamed and called the police so I left. About 2 hours later the cops called me to come back to the address where I was arrested. I've been charged with assault with a weapon, assault on a family relationship, and strangulation. She told the police I slammed her into a wall, beat her 3 times full force with a book, and repeatedly choked her to the edge of consciousness and back. This didn't happen and these are incredibly serious violent accusations. The state goes so hard on this type of crime in my country because they say it's basically close to murder. Anyway she told the police I accused her of stealing headphones. I've never owned headphones. This argument was about stolen drugs and basically it was a big blow up about our absolute mess of our relationship ending. I've never been violent with a woman in my life accept this. I think I'm absolutely fucked. She's been to a doctor a week later who has a report with all these bruises and a sore neck and can't put weight on one foot. It's not possible. The bruises are from us just moving house, moving furniture. She self harmed her own wrists and the basis for "recent physical assault including pressure on the neck" is just her self reporting that her neck hurts. She's a liar and she stole from me. And now she's going to fuck me over at this trial. I did 7 months in prison because they refused bail because she said I was going to hunt her down and kill her if I got out. It's bullshit. I left her. I broke up with her and wanted to go back to my parents. I'm only released now because my parents got me a lawyer ->
>>85483740Lmao it's over for u op. Next time don't fuck crazy junkies mayhaps
>>85483740To run a bail appeal to the high court. I had a bail hearing about 6 months in, in prison via AVL but the judge denied it and said I must remain in prison until trial. My lawyer appealed it to the high court and that judge reversed the lower court judges bail refusal so I got out of prison. I'm still on bail and have the trail on Monday. I don't want to go back to prison. It's all just basically he said, she said. And the jury will decide my fate.
>>85483740>moving houseOh you lived in a cucked country.>she said I was going to hunt her down and kill her if I got outThis is actually probably your best move at this point.
>>85483773>This is actually probably your best move at this point.I would never. I feel so awful that I was physical with her. Our relationship was tragic and caused me so much pain. I was in love with her but we were both such a mess. Just pill addicted, unemployed but had cash to burn, all this stress about drugs, moving house, not having a job, going to run out of money which I need for rent. The government took her baby off her. I had to meet with lawyers and meet her social worker to try and show that we are stable and she is capabale of raising her baby. I would take her to supervised visits at the librarym it was just so stressful and tragic. I loved her. I still love her but we cant be together. I know shes gotten deeper into drugs now. I started drinking again there's just so much that happened in our relationship it was just such a fucking disaster and a mess. God I'm so stressed. Basically my future is dependent upon her testimony, how much she hates me or still loves me. I am court ordered not to contact her so haven't even seen or spoken to her since last year. Her testimony and the jury will decide my future. God I don't want to go back to prison.
>>85483815>I know shes gotten deeper into drugs nowIt's all your fault you know. I hope they find you guilty and you get everything that's coming to you filty nigger
>>85483815Man what a horrible mess. And you guys were gonna raise a child together? Horrifying. Never touch drugs again, never date crazy bitches like this again. Id tell you that you got what was coming except I've dated crazy bitches too and I know how it feels to be in love with a nutjob. Get a good lawyer and never ever do this shit again you stupid fucking nigger faggot.
fuck them jurors nigga only god can judge you
>>85483815Speak on your own behalf, call her out on being a drug addict, say she probably got the bruises from an altercation with a dealer or another addict. Rake her through the coals and make sure the jury knows she had her baby taken away from her.
>>85483815>>85483908And make sure to countersue if you win.
>>85483740it's over. kill her then kill yourself.
>>85483845I'm white. She was addicted to drugs and had lost custody of her daughter before I met her. Her daughter had just turned 1 and I organised a party for the baby but it had to be supervised. It was so tragic i had to leave. Her mother died which was her only solid relationship in her life just before I met her and she just spiraled. The baby was taken because she was found unconscious from drugs multiple times and the baby wasn't being cared for. I wanted us to be together, we got a 3 bedroom 1 bedroom for us, a spare, and one for her baby when we get her daughter back. I tried to help her and we would get our lives together but I was a fucking degenerate. I was addicted to opiates, and benzos/zopiclone which I had to cold turkey in fucking prison which was hell. Anyway yes you are basically right. I think we just collided into each other and it was an absolute disaster and it keeps going and we are both severely worse off. I want all the best for her, I want her to be sober and healthy. But she has serious mental problems (bipolar, ptsd from childhood abuse), and serious drug problems. I think we are both severely worse off from meeting each other, harmed each other, and it keeps going. It will reach its climax on Monday when the jury decides whether they believe her. I mean I don't even know what she's going to say. Does she hate me? Will she lie to hurt me more? Will she say it didn't happen? Will the jury believe her? And then whatever happens determines my future. If convicted they will give me 3-5 years in prison. If not I walk and can go on in my life. Find a job, find some meaning and value again. It's so stressful having this daunting future wearing over me.
>>85483867Basically I completely agree. Drugs, bpd psychotic intense love relationships. What a fucking mess. And yes I wanted us to be a family and raise her baby together. Call me a cuck I don't care. It horrifies me to see her continue to use drugs, not get her daughter back, and using fucking meth now. It's tragic. I loved her and still do and want whats best for her. I hope she wants what's best for me and doesn't lie and fuck me over at this trial.
>>85483908That is my exact plan but last week I went to a court hearing where they were deciding if drug evidence and custody evidence could even be brought up. Essentially at the time the judge denied it and said it was a fishing expodition or some shit and family court matters are private. It still hasn't been decided so I might not even be able to bring this stuff up. I think they will put her on the stand and her testimony will just be the actual assault and that's it. The question is not whether she's a drug addict thief who lost custody of her daughter -> it's a question of whether I assaulted her and strangled her. That's what the jury will decide on. I think I'm just fucked. Well it's not looking good for me.
>>85483815I'm so glad I stayed a virgin in my mom's basement my whole life eating chicken tendies. All your drama doesn't have shit on me because I'm a natural retard with inate social impairment, not some normie bitching and moaning about how they should walk on second degree assault. I hope you make a decent bunkie. I know I did when all I had to do was stfu and keep to myself.
>>85484018NTA You're hateful and should stay there. You take every opportunity you can to speak down to others. Go back to bitching about your life in another thread. Congrats, you're socially retarded and keep yourself from the world and experience some benefit. Doesn't stop all the negatives you also experience. Doesn't make you better than anyone else.
I did the same thing but in holding at the MHU I did indeed have a wet dream holding like a month of jizz in my nutsack and in my mind I was basically only getting fucked by valkyries that took me out of the jail and placed me back in jail. They studying my sheholes and my dick pointer. When times changed, I still just want to get fucked by Asian women or white trans folks that let me fuck more Chinese people. Nigga I'm the Chinese dude that speaks English. That's what I found out here in Yunnan.
>>85483996If she's going to be a witness against you, you have every right to cross examine her and prove she's not a credible witness.
>>85483740I'm not going to sugar coat it. Here in the US, if you get to the point where there's a jury involved then you should be pretty confident you have a case, like eye witnesses or some way to discredit the doctor's evaluation. I think most would have taken a plea deal before that.
>>85484018> I know I did when all I had to do was stfu and keep to myself.What did you go to prison for? In prison I fucked myself so badly. Basically I was coping well, and got put in a good unit where there good privileges. Sometimes out of the cell for like 6 hours a day. 60 man unit. I had good cellmates, made friends, worked out. But like 5 months in it was really getting to me. The stress of prison, all the dramas, trying to keep a supply of pregabalin going, just so much fucking drama happened in prison but eventually I got a new cellmate and he was disrespecting the shared space of the cell, taking my shit, etc. Eventually I snapped jumped down and smashed his face like 4 or 5 times till he dropped by the door then I hit him more in the face i just fucking lost it. He was bleeding etc. Pushed the emerging button and basically the fucking goon squad came cuffed me and I got moved to the fucking hardcore shit unit. 23 hour locked in your cell. Hardcore segregated by gang, always getting patted down and wanded man so much drama happened in that unit it was crazy anyway that's why I fear prison. Because my security classification is high now, and I had to go to an internal court hearing for the assault they were considering solitary but I just got off privileges for a month (no commissary, reduced phone etc). And I was still trying to maintain a pregab supply from one of the gang members. So much shit happened anyway that's my fear -> get convicted and sent to a fucking gangster unit because I assaulted that guy. Fuck these last couple years have been maxxed stress holy fuck. That unit was like real jail lol. All the walls scratched up and bombed, dark grimey and cold, we were sparking up fucking synthetic weed from like piss and ramen flavour packets lol almost blown the outlet. Have a massive panic attack because of how insane synthetics are now . Just so much drama and misery in prison lol fuck I don't want to go back
>>85483977You better lawyer up and get a good defense. Don't trust that some crazy bpdemon is gonna do the right thing. Man this really sucks. If you don't get fucked over make an oath to yourself never to go near this lady, drugs or bpdemons again. Good luck
>>85484078>Good luckThank you. My choice to use drugs and be a degenerate fucked my life so badly. I need to change so much, change how I live. My future will be decided on Tuesday.
>>85483996I'm guessing based on the fact that you're getting a jury trial that your country's standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. That's a really high bar that bodes well for a he-said, she-said case like this one if you get to testify. What you did does rise to the level of assault on a family or household member (at least in the US) but that's less serious than the other charges so your best bet is probably just to be completely honest on the stand. Is there bodycam? it'd certainly be helpful if the "self-harm" injuries she had later weren't visible when police arrived
>>85484122>What you did does rise to the level of assault on a family or household member (at least in the US) but that's less serious than the other chargesThat's the exact plea deal I tried to get. Drop the strangulation charge, drop the weapon charge and change the summary of facts to stolen drugs etc and I'd plead guilty to assaulting a family relationship whatever that charge is. Prosecutor said it was unlikely, then like a month later denied my plea offer so I kept my not guilty charge as like a final bargaining chip to avoid trial. Just drop the strangulation and weapon I'll plead guilty to assault but they're like fuck you we are trying this case so here we go. We see what happens on Monday.
>>85483740The only mistake you made was not beating her hard enough.
God damn you cry like such a little fucking bitch period I hope you get 15 years and have to do every day of it.
You're cooked OP, if they're trying you based on the assault incident unless you have good evidence to support that you didn't strangle her you're done.
>>85483439Are you male or female? If male, you're probably fucked unless there's one juror who understands reasonable doubt. If you're female, just claim it was hormones. Apparently that gets you support even for murdering your kids
>>85483740She's a cunt but you got physical first and admit it. You're fucked and rightfully so. Learn your damn lesson
Never have I been so grateful for my truecel NEET khhv life. You're fucked OP, you're going to the slammer. Maybe you should've thought of that before you stick your dick on crazy. Also you've already admitted to committing two violent assaults in this thread, one of which was extremely violent>>85484077, so maybe prison is a good wake up call for you to get your shit together before you end up killing someone.
No bullshit my lawyer called me like an hour ago and said the prosecutor has moved from the police to the crown and he's resubmitted my plea offer (plead guilty to assault but drop the strangulation and assault with a weapon charge) which will be accepted. So I avoid trial, just go in and plead to the altered summary of facts that removes strangulation and weapon charge. I literally cried in my car and called my mom and cried. I think it's actually over. Fucking hell it's finally over. No trial, no fucking lies sending me to jail. I can move on with my life. I'm crying as I'm typing this. It's over.
>>85483439Anon did no one tell you you have the legal right to a bench trial if you choose? In fact if I was ever facing serious charges I think that's what I'd go for. The general public is fucking stupid.
>>85483740it's so fucking over for you man im sorry to hear this
>>85483815Lmao pussy enjoy getting prison raped, life isnt for the weak
>>85483478https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mK4XhR0lYlE
>>85484805OP is saved after all >>85484805
>>85484805>>85484806Guys its over. I'm literally just waiting for my plea deal to go through:>>85484744Literally just being crying with relief and having a celebratory drink/pregab. What the fuck is this timing. Make a thread then get my exact result I want. I love you 4chan.
>>85483439Plan ahead for the possibility of you being in jail so you at least don't get blindsided when you're there. People WILL probe you for a reaction, you HAVE to fight back. It doesn't matter if you even lose, just showing others that you will fight makes you a high stakes individual and not a pushover. You have a lesser chance of being extorted this way. Keep to yourself but do not let anybody have the upper hand.
>>85484834never mind, congrats op
>>85484831Holy white pill opie
>>85484831do you think the court lowkey knew something was fishy about the case?
>>85484744>>85484831I don't understand, will you have a charge after this? what does that mean
>>85483740I live in South Korea. In my country, a female feminist lawmaker once proposed a bill that would allow a man to be arrested and labeled a rapist based solely on a womans unilateral accusation, without any evidence. A significant number of women are out of their minds. They constantly claim to be equal to men, yet they demand privileges whenever it suits them by insisting they are the weaker gender. Their hypocrisy makes me sick. Women are stupid. Even in places and situations that clearly look dangerous where safety is far from guaranteed theyll go just because there are handsome guys who seem fun to be around. then, after exposing themselves to alcohol and drugs and becoming incapacitated, they end up getting raped.
>>85484859I plead guilty to the top one, and they drop the bottom two. Basically her lies are removed and I plead guilty to my assault on her. I've already done 7 months prison which is equivalent to a 14 month term in my country my lawyer says he can even scratch off my record a jail sentence and just a get conviction with supervision or something. This is what I wanted the whole time because it's actually what happened. I didn't lie. I am so nervous just waiting for my lawyer to confirm the deal is accepted. It just means I have an appearance in court where I plead guilty to the top charge and they sentence me just for that charge and they change the summary of facts (no strangulation, no bashing her with a book).
>>85483439This post reminds me of kids when they did something bad and say to their parent or teacher.>erm, well, you can't technically prove I did it teeheeThen the parent/teacher savagely rapes their little asshole.
>>85484868That group is a small group of radicals. I'm assuming it wasn't passed?
>>85483970I hope you don't spill your guts like that in court, people who talk too much look guilty. I think the system is built to railroad you into taking a plea which I think is immoral. I think jury is better, they are only supposed to convict is beyond a reasonable doubt which we were taught in school but I'm sure many older people weren't. If the evidence is on your side in theory it should benefit you.>>85484744Was probably the plan all along. See if you had have plead earlier you would have been stuck with a harsher charge.>>85484868In Canada too. It would be funny if all men just started recording during dates, sorry we need the camera for legal reasons, hope you understand. Maybe it could go in the other way of using fake names. That women, no never heard of her, I was at church at that time.
This is American justice. We pride ourselves for being hard crime and running ship shape private prisons for profit. Your choices are accept a plea deal of [inhumane torture for years], or you can instead choose to enter a beauty/popularity contest against one other person with winner determined by twelve total randos(who the opposing side can eliminate and force a different juror be selected for any reason), all presided over someone who is resentful they have to go to work and wait until lunch to eat when they could instead be snorting crack cocaine and assraping four year olds on the golf course with their ceo and senator buddies. If you lose the contest the punishment is [inhuman torture for years] ^2.It's fucked up though. Sincerely hoping you somehow crawl out of this barrel of shit smelling like roses. Lawyers are expensive and it's wrong that prosecution is state funded. The so called "victim" should be made to pay all court fees, detectives, doctors, judges, and juries. Instead you get an overwhelmed fuck up law school John Dipshit Smith Esqu. literally doing it for hot pockets while the state machine puts pressure on judges and throws money around and threatens violence to ensure their DA maintains their batting average.Bitch is a thief, junkie, and whore. Yet somehow you're the one on trial. I consider my belief that women should not have any rights whatsoever is the mildest, weakest, most conservative, anemic, and gentle stance one could possibly take. You weren't even married to her ffs. This is a matter between a fornicator and a a lying thieving fornicator on mild altering substances. This belongs to the jurisdiction of a church.
>for being hard crimeMother fucker you're not even from here. You obviously didn't learn English first.
>>85483740Anon, you assaulted someone over drugs. You need to go to jail.
>>85485155>4chan is an Americans-only clubBut it's not
>>85484744Congrats, you should celebrate by finding where your ex lives and committing arson.