I don't want children. I wouldn't want to subject a son to such a society and I wouldn't to produce a daughter for this world to turn into a slut.

>>85553652
Yeah obviously now stop tormenting me and go away

>>85553652
>husband
no, marriage is a trap and if you still dont know why after all this time then you never will. how have you avoided the redpill after all this time?
>a father?
see above reason

Yes and yes, I think it would be really cool to have a bunch of mini me's running around. Try to give them a better life than I had. Also pregnant bellies are sexy. And lactation. Everything around fertility in general. If I had a wife she wouldn't experience another period until menopause. Well I guess not then either. I'm implying she will be spending a lot of time pregnant.

>>85553676
anti-marriage is not a red pill, that's a black pill thing

>>85553652
No I wish a woman would unbirth me and let me live in her uterus.

>>85553652
I'm good with kids, and want them. But too many of my relatives are schizophrenic, so i think it's unethical for me to have kids until there are better antipsychotic meds.

>>85553652
I am a dad, didn't want it but I didn't have a choice.

>>85553652
Deleted the thread. Tired of this shit

>>85553751

It's a bizarre world where people fight against paying child support for their biological children because they had sex so easily, and others may want a family, but they are involuntary celibates.

>>85553862
Tbf most incels are mentally gone

>>85553652
Back when I was younger, yes.
Now I am too old and bitter, I would make a horrible father.

>>85553652
>Robots, how badly do you want pic related?
I don't.
>Do you wish you could become a husband and a father?
No. Otherwise I wouldn't be here on the internet on the weekend.

>>85553652
Sometimes I fantasize about it, but it's the same way I fantasized about saving everybody in my class from a terrorist attack when I was in high school. I wouldn't wanna actually be in that situation.

>>85553660
How hard is it to prevent sluttery? Couldn't sheltering work? Can't be a slut if you live somewhere in the country with an elderly populace.

Still seems easier to have a girl

Sometimes I fantasize about tying another man up and raping him until he is pregnant and forced to shit the product out because he has no vagina. Neither the man nor the baby survive the ordeal and I become a widower and cant love again. Instead I drown it all away with booze and late nights awake in front of the television until it becomes too much and purchase a firearm with the intention to kill myself but as soon as I do, the cops catch me in connection to the kidnapping of my malewife and take me in. They are stunned by the fact that I produced a child with another male andsend me to a lab to be dissected and studied. Pretty soon, they use my supernatural breeding abilities for the military so that soldiers can knock up their enemies and force them to give birth. Little do they know, I am reborn in this way and one of the enemies gives birth to me fully formed and naked in the wilderness, bloody and screaming.

I want to experience it some day. I have FOMO. It is a part of the human experience.

>>85553652
Fuck off with your faggot ass incel bullshit

>>85553676
I remember reading nearly the exact same thing from a guy on /b/ years ago who was a drug addict.

>>85555057
He sound based

>>85553676
The redpill is mostly pseudoscience and misrepresented studies. Some observations are true, but it generalizes way too much and acts like the world is black and white, when reality is mostly just grey areas. Anybody promoting it is just abusing a vulnerable audience to sell them courses. Shit ideology.

>>85553652
I used to, but nowadays i genuinely hate women, so i dont want to make a family at all.

>>85553652
I just wanna do something cool in my life and have friends, lovers, and proteges. "husband and father" is the absolute furthest thing from my mind but if it happens, it happens.

i want to impregnate a foid then lock myself up and play roblox with egirls while she raises the baby

>>85553652
foid at work been having baby fever cause another coworker just gave birth. she's been like a dog in heat going after me cant tell her to fuck off cause i already set up a nice persona at work whatdo

>>85553652
Yes of course.
>>85555180
Take the W and go home. With her.

>>85555133
have fun getting so destroyed in divorce it causes you to rope. of course nothing is black and white. i'm not saying it WILL happen, i'm saying it CAN happen and that is unacceptable. we dont have to tolerate divorce laws so unfair even women want them changed because their male relatives are refusing to marry too. the people who can't accept that marriage is no longer ideal are the same people who cant accept that you cant just walk into a business, hand in your resume, give a firm handshake and get a job. times have changed. that's not how we do shit anymore

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I don't want to procreate

>>85553652
It used to be the only thing I wanted. Then I realized the true nature of women, how fucked this world is, and how much I barely even want to be here

>>85555187
>Take the W and go home. With her.
she's pretty bitchy with everyone else and I feel like once we start dating she going to be the same towards me after the honeymoon phase is over and I dont want that in my life

>>85555239
Put a baby into her. It will fix her.

>>85555239
bonking coworkers never works out and it'll never work out in your favor

>>85555261
that's what they say
>>85555245
i don't think that's how personalities works anon

>>85555277
It's how hormones work. You're going to chemically alter her brain.

>>85555209
>have fun getting so destroyed in divorce it causes you to rope
>of course nothing is black and white. i'm not saying it WILL happen, i'm saying it CAN happen
My guy listen to yourself. It's okay if you've been hurt before but you're projecting hard on an imageboard.

>>85555303
im not going to pork her and be miserable for lifee

>>85555354
You won't be miserable for life. She's going to get pregnant for life. She won't have time to hate you. You should probably suss out her opinion on Lindsay Clancy first though.

>>85553652
I've always believed myself to be too narcissistic to be a good father. Maybe once upon a time I could have still been a husband nonetheless but I've blackpilled myself over the years and no longer believe it's worth the gamble with how badly things can turn out. It's a shame because I still consider myself a romantic at heart, it's just that there's no place left for romance in real life.

>>85555426
>I've always believed myself to be too narcissistic to be a good father.
Do you think the boomers said this? No, they just became narcissistic parents regardless. I have to believe self-awareness is enough to mitigate it. If you brute force being a good father your children will just praise you naturally. They don't know what narcissism means yet.
>I've blackpilled myself over the years and no longer believe it's worth the gamble with how badly things can turn out.
Living this way is worse. It has to be worse. There's no way things could get worse than this. Look at us.
>I still consider myself a romantic at heart, it's just that there's no place left for romance in real life.
It truly is over for us.

>>85555423
if im going to preg up a foid I want one thats kind and nice. not trying to get negged at for the rest of my life

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>>85553652

I'm 41. Yes, I'd love to have a partner or wife and a kid on the way. I'd be content to spending my remaining days working, providing for my dependents and working on my hobbies on nights/weekends.

Will it happen, ?

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I want one thing and it's absolutely disgusting

>>85553652
I don't. Society conditioned me to want to be a husband and father. I wouldn't enjoy it because I don't like sharing my personal space.

>>85555554
>Society conditioned me to want to be a husband and father.
What society did you grow up in? In the USA husbands and fathers are portrayed as pathetic and harried.

>>85553652
A wife would be cool and all but having kids? I think I'll pass on that.
How bad do you want:
>a wife
like 4 out of 10
>children
negative 3 out of 10

>don't you want to be a father?
I'm neutral on wanting to be a father. I think i'll pass on that as well. Having children is not a right. Plenty of people who have kids and maybe shouldn't. Lindsay Clancy and Chris Watts are extreme examples of people who maybe shouldn't have had kids and been "parents" but on a broader and less extreme sense plenty of dipshits who don't raise their kids, don't give a fuck about their kids, and then wonder why their little Susie got pregnant at 14 or why little Richard is getting arrested for the 12 time this year meanwhile their other son is planning a school shooting.

>>85553652
Always wanted the former, only recently sort of warmed up to the latter. Mostly it's so the love of my life has titties.

>>85555498
>>85555604

There are definitely people that should have not been parents, Lindsay and Chris are extreme examples though.

I think, if we had resources at younger ages to have kids be more economical, I think things would improve.

>>85555180
Reject her then die alone, unloved, wondering what might have been

>>85555554
Your nature is to be a father. Society/cultural judaism is what conditioned you to not like sharing your personal space. They defeated you.

>>85555604
>Plenty of people who have kids and maybe shouldn't.
What does that have to do with you?

>>85553652
not at all. i consider it a privilege that i dont have to

>>85553652
Back in my 30s, I was desperately craving both, but I guess deep down I knew I would be a shit husband and father. At least, that's what I'm telling myself now as a wizard in my 40s.

>>85555709
thats the plan anon

>>85555816

understandable, anon. hoping you'll still find someone that wasn't to take away wizard status

>>85553652
I want a relationship with no govt involvement with a woman who is smart, hot, kind and loyal.
I don't want to destroy my life with marriage and kids. Those things are downgrades on life. No more freedom, no more money, you're basically enalaved to an annoying child and a woman who doesn't have sex with you anymore. And she can always divorce you and win. I'd rather die a virgin than become a husband or father.
I know normies like that and their lives are hell and they always look haggard and aged. They envy me for being able to play vidya and for having disposable income. They say stuff like "when I was young and free", meanwhile they're only 1-2yrs older than me but look 10yrs older.

>>85555862
You look haggard and aged too btw.
>muh vidya
You're the annoying child in this story.

you know what if Stacy comes along and was fun to be around I might start a family with her

>>85555874
You nuked that anon.

>>85553652
Literally the only time I've cried in my adult life was when I turned 35 and realised I probably won't get to be a father.
Now I just take drugs every day to make myself numb to the reality of my situation.

>>85553652
>Robots, how badly do you want pic related?
Very. Over years I've developed worldview based on what I've learned and experienced that makes this basically the only true and valuable point of life.
>Do you wish you could become a husband and a father?
Yes. I just lack woman to make me one. I'm not that far off getting house, but it feels like dating market is complete trash and after you finish education your options get drastically limited. Dating apps are full of single mothers, fatties, tattoo-ridden failures and women who don't want kids.

Foid here.

I asked an incel from here if he'd consider having a family one day and he said i was too old. I cried.

Moid here.

My coworker can't stop talking about how happy she'll be when I impregnate her

Anon here.
This thread is full of biotrash. Even chinese bots aren't that fucking braindead.

Neutral to both. As Im not religious I dont find much sense in marriage as its just contract signet before bored byrocrat. As for having kids, it wad never thst important to my, tho if it would happen then ok.

>>85553652
No, I do not want to give an innocent soul my autism and adhd.

>>85556794
>he said i was too old.
How old are you, nona? There is such a thing as too old for kids.

>>85557131
>chinese bots don't want to encourage people to have kids
No shit?

>>85553652
I was forced to be a father, though it's not so bad but I always worry for my kid's sake and how she'll turn out.

>>85557297
>encourage people to have children
>t. braindead

>>85557311
>forced to be a father
Leglocking is hot

>>85557343
I wish. But it is pretty hot, yeah

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I wish first and foremost I could have fallen in love. Instead I was basically emotionally raped for the entirety of my life. I have to live in debt service to my nigger worshipping serpentine demonic faggot of a father straight from hell who degraded and starved me and made me miserable and now holds over me this moralizing power because he bore me.

I wish I could be a father because if I had a son I would actually love him, and want what's best for him, not just see him as some narcissistic fulfillment or as a nigger slave who should be happy to shuck and jive for me. I would raise him to be strong and proud and I would feed him and encourage him to be more capable, I would guard him from the true evils of this world.

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>>85555874
Anon doesnt look a day over 17

>>85557289
Im 39 now. He was 29.

I think I'll just focus on travelling now, or get pets

>>85553652
i would love this however reality intervenes. kinda sucks because i am much better father material than i am boyfriend material. maybe i can settle for some roastie later down the line.
t. still only 20

I do kind of like the idea of having children in theory, it would be cool to hang out with my sons and teach them things.
But also I'm almost 29 and depsite having a good job and a house no woman has ever shown interest in me and I don't really want to bring a boy into a world where he has to live like that. Either there's something fundamentally wrong with me genetically or socially, or society is just fucked. Having a child would mean they get my genes, are socialised by me and have to live in the same society so I don't think it's worth it.

>>85553652
No, i hate foids and i hate kids, why would i want that?

>>85557940
You should have settled for some incel 20-25 years ago and just been happy. Now look what you've done.

>>85553652
Imagine going through all this only to find out it's not yours
Thank God I'm not French (paternity tests are illegal there)

Im not going to pork my coworker stop asking

>>85553652
there is no point in having wife and child when you have a redecing hairline, wrinkles and look like your 40
so no , i dont really want that

>>85553652
Not at all. The only way I can see this in my future is if some absolute insane foid becomes obsessed with me.

>>85558980
Wouldn't the baby coming out black be enough of a clue?

>>85557940
I already feel like I'm getting too old to be a dad at 34. I don't want to subject a kid to a father that's too tired to do anything. Maybe it's cope but I would consider 40 to be the absolute limit for mom/dad though. unless you are a self-absorbed celebrity with fuck-you money.

Hopefully you can find someone soon if you really want to be a mother. I think I would want to experience it even if I hear about the pains involved.

>>85559093
Mine were 35 when they had me. I as the child only ever felt like they were old when I was 25 myself. I'm also 34 now. I kind of feel the same way as you but I don't think it has to be true.

>>85559093
I cry myself to sleep every night. Im not coping. I very much want a baby. I have no parents.

Im very alone. I want a man that will support me, i just want a family, i just dont want any more Christmases or birthdays alone, i want a husband and a baby, im not coping.

Im 40 next year im not coping. I want to be happy. All my friends lost contact over the years. Im alone. Im sad. I try to meet men but they dont want children. I cant be a single mom, i have no one to help.

Im sad. I got speaking to a guy yesterday when i was out, he asked for my number he said he wanted to meet up. We messaged and i said ok can we do weekdays and he didnt even read the message. Im sad

>>85559303
chat is this more sad or less sad since anon is a foid. I think it's pretty sad

>>85559303
>Im 40 next year
it is so unbelievably over for you

>>85559303
At least you are vetting them because it is better not to rush and turn into a single mom. The flakes are simply ones you don't need either.

>>85553652
no not really
I'd only subject the child to a life of suffering and pain
what's the point of that

I would want to experience love however / but it is virtually impossible bc my looks and social status

All my ideals are aligned with orthodox christianity, except...

I really, deep down, couldn't care less about being a father actually. I noticed I've been kinda gaslighting myself when in reality I'm kinda indifferent to the idea. I feel like I'm too anxious to have such a huge volatile responsibility.

>>85553652
I am a husband and a father and I honestly would not trade it for anything.

>>85553652
being a father sounds like something so rewarding and fulfilling
but... being a mother....... idk. it feels demeaning. dehumanizing, even

>>85561913
Being a mother is the most important role determines how the child will be growing up

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>>85553652
Why would I want this? Bringing someone into the Demiurge's playground is an extremely cruel act.

>>85562595
>Demiurge
Soft eugenics victim award

>>85553652
Wanting it or not is irrelevant. It'll never happen to me so there's no point

>>85559564
People have kids after 40...

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>>85564882
>People have kids after 40...
HEWOO MUMMY I DID A BIGG STINKY POOPIE IN THE BED AND ON THE CAT HEHEH EHE HE HE HE HE HE !!

>>85562845
>just accept the matrix bro

I hope a nigger breaks into your home and rapes you and your family while your bleeding anus vaguely spurts out "survival of the fittest"

>>85559303
You should have settled for an incel 20 years ago. How many Chads nutted in you in the last 20 years? How many abortions have you had?

>>85566152
I was in a relationship for 7 years, which broken down, then i was homeless, my dad died, im estranged from my mom, i lost my job

My life has just fallen apart and didnt really recover

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>>85566516
Stop that, I'm starting to feel bad...for an foid. This can't be happening.

>>85566550
Please don't feel bad.

Erm, my health is a bit better now, i think. Not great, still get ill, but not as bad. I made a friend, she has schizophrenia like me, i met her at the mental health support group, she was talking about wanting to be a wife, and i said i very much want that too. She is muslim so is only allowed to marry a muslim man, and most are no good.

She still has her family to support her, i dont have anyone unfortunately. Its nice not to feel totally alone and that other women are in my position. Shes a good person, i hope she finds a husband.

The support group is all women so there isnt anyone available there. I did hope a decent man would go to the groups, then something good might happen. I dont really know how to meet men, i dont go to clubs at my age.

Theres a chess group nearby, im a bit nervous to to go alone, my friend isnt interested lol. I spoke to another woman at the group and her husband died, so she is a widow. We both spoke about grief and loneliness. She isnt coping either. She is 10 years older than me. She thought i was in my 20s, that felt nice. I wish i had a husband and a family. I wish i wasnt alone 99% of the time

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>>85566735
>tfw no mommy gf to save
AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

>>85553652
I'm in a different camp. I already have one kid and wanted more but my wife's body physically could not handle another pregnancy so we have stopped with just the one.

>>85566735
fridge?

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>>85553652
I wanna punch her belly

Thirteen years ago it was all I wanted. I even had my sack and testicles cut into to test for fertility. Turns out, it shoot blanks. My wife couldn't handle it and immediately started pressuring me to look for donors, didn't even give me time to deal with finding out I'll never have bio kids. A year later after done other life turbulence, she left me. I'm just glad we never had one now, given how things went. Now, I'll never have kids. Not even stepkids because no woman wants my broken ass

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>>85553652
I want kids a lot more than I want a wife. I only want a woman or two in my life to make and raise children with, and I wouldn't legally marry them. I also don't really care about sex and companionship, I had enough in my youth. I just want a big happy family to live with on a sleepy mountain homestead. I want to be the loving parent I never had and to give my children the peaceful forever home that I was deprived.

>>85553652
I'm way too mentally ill to be a husband and dad. That's not my role here. God bless those who can pull it off though.

>>85554107
>Couldn't sheltering work
That makes it worse actually

>>85553652
I'm scared of the regret that may occur.
>fun for like 2 months
>supposed to raise it for 18 years

>>85555874
Butthurt faggot got worked into a shoot

>>85553652
Honestly if i told you I could care less I would be completely honest. I don't really think about women anymore. To me it's fine I've been alone for decades and I love it now. I would have to get dick suckings on command if I were to even fathom the idea of a relationship in any capacity, and I never had sex before. I don't really see women as anything, I like it like that. And I'm fine with dying and being alone, that's all I know and like now. They're not missing out, neither am I. I'll just jack it and get money. I've been indifferent for 9 years, I'm currently 34.

>>85568753
>supposed to raise it for 18 years
Who's gonna tell him?

>>85568782
I know that I was lowballing it
t. loser that's almost 40

>>85553652
>Robots, how badly do you want pic related?
Really badly
>Do you wish you could become a husband and a father?
Yes

>>85562543
being a mom is stupid and your whole life revolves around them for the next 18 years
BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO BOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

>>85553652
I have never wanted kids and being forced to interact with women at my job has put me off marriage too. These two things look appealing from an emotional perspective. But rationally they look like prisons to me.

>>85553652
yes to both. i wish i could have a family with someone who loved and cared about me, its never happening at this rate

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>>85553652
I already have two. I'm over it, I'm tired.
>>85568753
>fun for two months
Babies are the hardest amount of work you've ever experienced. It doesn't get fun until they're well over a year old.

>>85553652
not at all. I hear a baby crying for 2 seconds and I think "oh thank god I don't have to live with one of those."

>>85553690
its so annoying to see this knowing people on here aren't real cuz i will never meet them. i pray i can find someone nice who thinks like this someday.

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>>85553652
>tfw schizoid
Its not happenning. Ever. Though I never wanted or cared about that shit to begin with.

>>85553652
I'm not going to have children unless if I ever finally get my shit together. Right now I'm a broke ass bum struggling in community college studying computer science which obviously has a dogshit market for the past few years, choosing this major because if I'm going to waste my life wageslaving, I want it to at least be in a field I'm interested in like game development.

I'm a complete fuckup in life and I'm kind of running out of time since I'm currently 25 years old. By the time I get my degree I'll be nearly 30 years old and then age discrimination will be on my ass and then I'm fucked.

So how badly do I want it? I'm fucking lazy as well or just retarded so idk, maybe not so badly.

>>85569950
>currently 25

A child

>>85560872
The apostle Paul never had a wife or kid and was happy as it gave him more time for The Lord. There is nothing wrong with you choosing to remain without children if you steward the free time and money properly, anon.

>>85553652
>Robots, how badly do you want pic related?
>Do you wish you could become a husband and a father?
In the abstract, yes.
In practice, no.

Pregnancy and early child care robs you of your wife. When your wife is pregnant and your children are under 2-3 years old, and your wife is on maternaty leave, you effectively don't have a wife, and are just hosting a hormonally imbalanced person at your home, and her annoying pet dog that she spends all your money on.

I've taken care of young children (my cousins) a decade ago, and I hated it. Literally retail worker tier misanthropy generator. I became a worse person for having experienced it.
I've also had a friend of mine become a young-ish father (2 times in his early 20s) and it straight up ruined his life and health. His girlfriend became a stay at home woman, he broke his back paying for this, he couldn't go out, enjoy hobbies, he stopped going to music concerts and spa resorts like he used to all the time, he even started skipping out on summer vacations on the beach, just so he can work more, so he can pay for the wife and kids. His health and mood visibly declined, except in those rare moments of sunshine when he was a happy "husband" (unmarried) and father, and had that adult grown man aura. Maybe 1% of the time.

I want that 1% of the time, without the 99%. Hopefully our robot overlords develop a simulator for this, so I can experience when I'm 120 years old and tired of jerking of to increasingly degenerate pr0n.

>>85569352
>It doesn't get fun until they're well over a year old.
Homo sapiens individuals aren't people until they are 20 years old, until then they are featherless bipeds.
The only way to enjoy any human under 20 is as a pet, as a cute cat or playful dog, and there isn't anything more to them.