Is femdom the most male-coded kink there is? Why does having a penis and higher testosterone make you susceptible to femdom?
>>85557956>Why does having a penisMen are enslaved to their dicks and horniness most of the time. Most don't know how to regulate themselves and always give into the emotion.
>>85557956It's opposite day already huh
>>85557956idk but I'm a bi pre t trans man and I'm into it so it's not about having a dick or testosterone but maybe it's a universal male experience to want a goth baddie to use you for whatever she wants
>>85557981Are you trying to say femdom is female-coded?
>>85557956I want a girl like this to drain my wallet and cuck me while I'm locked in chastity.
>>85558011Yeah. I guess lesdom exists too. Not really my cup of tea because I want to be able to self-insert as the man at least.
>>85558009maybe their saying that it's because more women are submissive
>>85557956I recall that professional dominatrixes often say that their most comment clients are business executives and shit like that. Men spend so much of their lives being expected to make all of the decisions, be the assertive one, and "take charge", that being able to surrender control to someone else for once feels freeing in a sense. Having to be "the boss" all the time is it's own unique kind of emotionally exhausting.I think a lot of guys just want a woman who knows what the fuck she wants and takes some initiative for once.
>>85558033 meant for >>85558001>>85558011That's hot. What if she spat on you too and started kneeing your balls.
>>85558045Spitting it hot, I don't care for ballbusting all that much.
>>85558042That's a great insight. Dominance and control all the time is exhausting. Being able to give up control to someone you like is incredibly liberating. You can just let go and exist freely and go with the flow. I think that's core to femdom.
>>85558009>>85558035You guys are trolling me right
>>85558033>>85558045oh ya I do watch lesdom stuff mostly for the same reason because I can't self insert with a guy getting kneed in the balls but there are some trans men and afab enbys who do bdsm and I really like watching them. Cam Damage is my favorite
>>85557956I got into femdom when I lowered my testosterone, actually.
>>85558094I'm the second one and no I'm not trolling what did you think he meant?
>>85557956Because penises are vulnerable and easy to control?
>>85558115Why do you think you prefer being dommed by a woman over a man?
>>85558132>higher testosteroneIs what I meant but I suppose it wasn't clear
>>85557956Femdom is a maladaptive psychological trait, placing the physically stronger partner in a relationship dynamic as a supportive role, which is strategically not a sound defensive strategy for the survival of the couple.In this case, the partner that is more physically/biologically designed for support is put into a role she is not equipped for, she cannot defend the couple in an altercation, she cannot make clearer reasoned decisions, and her ability to produce and raise offspring is atrophied.In the case of the man, he has no sensibility for aesthetics, or the caregiving qualities that a strong romantic bond requires of the supportive counterpart. His physicality and aggression atrophies, causing him to be worse at self defense, and the physically stronger partner that ought to be out gathering resources is now more obsessed with gathering emotional resources.Essentially both organisms are in a stage of arrested development, where they are less mature, less fertile, less strong in every way.Such a state of affairs could only emerge from a society which failed them in their upbringing, and encouragement of this behavior will only lead to further personal failures for the individual, emotionally, psychologically, and existentially.
>>85557966Women are also unable to regulate themselves, both men and women have been deprived of the proper heritage and cultural upbringing that is meant for them to channel their drives into healthier/stronger survival outcomes, which is why everyone is now mentally ill and struggling.
i got femdom kink form narcissistic mother
>>85557956>Femdom >High testSo you're out here just using words you have zero clue what they actually mean?
>>85557966lmao, robot talking.I learned long ago that kind of thinking is actually really dumb. Didn't someone bring this up recently? Western society is almost plagued by that type of idea. That they're not human beings, a type of animal.What's your end goal? Equilibrium (2002)?
>>85558009Femdom is bitch coded. It's why 99% of women like get tossed around and manhandled in the sack and then cuddle up next to her man. Femdom is like the farthest you can get from high test alpha male sex
>>85558509>It's why 99% of women like get tossed around>women likeInteresting. So high test alpha males care deeply about serving women and satisfying their every want and need. Kek. You sound very submissive.
>>85558498Women have higher testosterone levels than me? I didn't know that.
>>85558520>than me?than MEN*Fuckity fuck-fuck.
>>85558509 I think you're more of a bitch if you're trying to act tough/manly instead of having the courage to do what you want regardless of what others think.Whether you're m or s doesn't really change anything other than your sexual preference.
Im trying to edge myself for several months straight. Ive had to choke my cock to death to prevent my valuable seed from leaking out several times now
>>85558437>physically stronger partner in a relationship dynamic as a supportive role,Why is the physically stronger person automatically assumed to be in the position of authority? Are strong horses the masters of their riders? Or are riders the masters of their horses? Likewise, what about the case in which the woman is stronger? Should she have power? What if a man wants to chill the fuck out and have his woman take care of everything like an alpha male lion chad. The amount of responsibly men have is crushing.
>>85558157honestly I don't know I've slept with men and one woman and it's just different with a woman it's not just about putting his dick in a hole I guess it's more sensual and more about the experienceor maybe it's because I went to a catholic boarding school because I also have a thing for nuns lol>>85558174I still don't understand
>>85558537>Do what you wantYeah, good fucking luck finding a women that will put up with you being a wimpy bitch in the relationship. You don't have to act tough or macho to get a gf. Every so often a bit of manliness helps though.
>>85558588>honestly I don't know I've slept with men and one woman and it's just different with a woman it's not just about putting his dick in a holeFemdom places more emphasis on foreplay. It's not only PiV and it's not strictly PiV.
The best kind of femdom is where a girl dominates you but submits to other men
>>85557956male-coded is a pretty silly concept. liking femdom is male-coded but that doesn't make one masculine (at least in the traditional sense). otherwise all engineers (which is a extremely male-coded profession) would be uber masculine guys but they aren't
>>85558606 So you're literally admitting to just acting. To perform for your master no less.
>>85558620 No that's the faggot version
>>85558623>otherwise all engineers (which is a extremely male-coded profession) would be uber masculine guys but they aren'tIt's the definition of masculinity. Engineering is highly logical and dry and requires intense reasoning and rationality. Emotional foid brain cannot compute.
>>85558611ya that's exactly what I'm thinking
>>85558437He can be like a pet guard dog
>>85558727That's hot. Imagining her calling me a good dog and then ordering me to protect her and guard her like a proper guard dog.
>>85558557>Why is the physically stronger person automatically assumed to be in the position of authority? Because authority can only be maintained by threat of force. Whichever entity is capable of greater force is the only who gets to impose its authority. In the case of femdom, this authority is largely artificial, because the woman is only in this position not because of Nature, or Natural Tendency, but because of some kind of social or economic entity upholding her value.In modern society, a Woman upholds her stength over a Man only by the Stengtth of Other Men. This is in essence what Laws Are.Laws are the collective strength of a group of Men upholding what they believe to be true, which in the case of modernity, is the notion that Women should have authority, a direct inversion of the natural order.Basically, women are only able to have power when men concede it to them.>Or are riders the masters of their horses?The power of man trumphs the power of the animal. Obviously there are cases to fear the relative power of horses in some scenarios, but overall, Men are more powerful.>Likewise, what about the case in which the woman is stronger?This is hardly ever the case. The average man is strong than the most exceptional woman.>What if a man wants to chill the fuck out and have his woman take care of everything like an alpha male lion chad.Male Lions protect the territory for competitors, they're not just sitting around. A task that Female Lions can't do. This is true amongst humans as well, women are caregivers and manage the homestead and the garden and gathering food.>The amount of responsibly men have is crushing.Which is why you divide your responsibilities between yourself, your partner, and your community, but this does not mean you give women power, because this never works.
>>85558747Men exert overt power. Women exert covert power. Look at society and see who truly benefits the most in the end. Most women have access to resources and reproduction freely with no strings attached. Men however do not. Men are more like beasts of burden carrying women around. Even conservative and "trad" men maintain this view that women are to be given resources and guaranteed reproductive privileges. Are men encouraged to reproduce? Absolutely not. I refuse to believe men have more power in the grand scheme of things than women.
>>85558042>>85558069so what you're telling me is lanklet executives are secretly sissy fags
>>85558654yes but the avg engineer is still seen as a unmasculine nerd thats why the whole concept is pretty silly
>>85558777>Women exert covert power. Which is not real power, because it still requires Men to give them that control in the first place. It is a kind of power, but it is and always will be the ancilla to Male power.>Most women have access to resources and reproduction freely with no strings attached.Of course, when men give them that power.>Even conservative and "trad" men maintain this view that women are to be given resources and guaranteed reproductive privileges. Well, these women usually kill their children on their own, transing them or otherwise poisoning them to be inneffective.>Absolutely not. I refuse to believe men have more power in the grand scheme of things than women.Because modern jewish society acknowledges that to grant Men their natural power, would also grant power to Whites to return to their natural role as creaters, explorers, and inventors.They want this to be true only because they want to eradicate Whites.Historically, 90%+ of White men were married with children. It's only in recent times when this has changed, because we have betrayed ourselves.
>>85557956I don't want a dominatrix I want a challenger
>>85559013>Which is not real powerIf you're at a bar and some woman gets her body guards to beat you up, will you yell "this isn't real power" as you're getting beat up?
>>85557956Not having sex makes you susceptible to femdom. Anyone that has any kind of intimate familiarity with women would never entertain being submissive to them.
>>85560087TRVKEIf you are not cumming in pussy (or ass i dont judge) then you are EDGING to more and more weird shit until you go "being a slave sounds like fun! I bet cumming from that feels amazing!"
>>85557956because men suffer from mental retardation. the illness starts in their dick and slowly spreads to their brain
>>85558516>Interesting. So high test alpha males care deeply about serving women and satisfying their every want and need. Kek. You sound very submissive.It's because high test makes you more assertive and dominant, you absolute retard. Women like it because they were raped for thousands of years and evolved to like it.
>>85557956>Why does having a penis and higher testosterone make you susceptible to femdom?I can't speak for all guys, but I get tired of so many women being sexually passive. So it's refreshing and exciting when a woman is more sexually forward, because it's so rare. When a woman is sexually forward it reminds me of my own desire to be sexually forward, so it makes it easier for me to relate to her.I don't necessarily desire femdom myself, but I totally get the appeal of it.
>>85560433>OOGA BOOGA ME BIG STRONG APEKek
>>85561189What's the argument here, retard?I don't care about this faggot, it still is evolved behavior.
>>85560433Evolution works like this:Group A: Women choose the mates and men do not rape much.Group B: Women don't choose mates because men rape constantly.Group A is a group with good genetics due to female selection for success.Group B is a group with strong men, but poor genes in other areas such as inteligence and social skills due to no female choice.Group A and B go to war, Group A wipes out group B due to overall superior genes, but the strongest of group B survive, and their genes are passed down from the women mating with men from group A.That is why rapists exist, but rape is not nearly as common as it would be given your claim
>>85561462Look at the name of the cartoonist in the image you posted above. He fancies himself as this big strong dominant alpha male caveman monster hulk but looks nothing like that.
>>85561491The problem with rape back in ancient times is that the father, brother, or tribesperson would simply drive a spear through the rapist's skull. The rapist can't rape anymore if the father impaled a spear through his skull.
>>85560505Then you don't know what femdom is. Availability and invitation are not dominance; they are her making the first move into the man's control. She initiates by offering her body or her mouth as service - that's not femdom.
>>85561498Shaming is not an argument, retard.
>>85561545Lol, oh, so I'm the one shaming? Not the guy drawing men as hulking beasts and shaming men that aren't as "unmasculine" and not men. I'm not shaming, I'm pointing out the misrepresentation.
>>85557956It's all I ever goon to really, I could never submit to a woman IRL tho since my ideal dom would be a 7ft tall buff futanari; my fantasies could never be satisfied in real life.
>>85561491Female choice and capture never existed as two clean teams. They run in the same population: women select when they can, men take when they can. War does not reward the "good-genes dating tribe." It rewards organization, coalition, and the ability to kill other men and keep the women.If A wipes B out, B does not donate a tidy "rapist allele" into A's otherwise enlightened gene pool through romantic pairing with A's men. The historical pattern is the opposite of your ending: the winners take the women. Restricted female choice plus male coalition is what scaled into states, not an open market of intelligent suitors.Rapists exist because coercion was one mating tactic among others, and because enforcement was weak. Rape is "not constant" where the costs are high - kin, husband, law, revenge - not because Group A won a morality war and bred the impulse out. Your claim explains neither war nor frequency. It just flatters female choice as the engine of civilization. It wasn't.
>>85561587History is not a series of wars.
>>85561587The reason for this comic, is because women like male power when it is controlled and at the right times by the right person.There is a reason for this, and it is to prevent inferior genes from propagating. >winners take the womenYes, that isn't the same as rapist takes the woman. Rapists are usually killed (or imprisoned nowadays) in any society. Again, there is a reason for that.
>>85561598I am disagreeing with this guy, but history literally is a history of war lmao
>>85561558>Not the guy drawing men as hulking beasts and shaming men that aren't as "unmasculine" and not men.This is you projecting, retard. The Image posted was just a simple analogy of the past.
>>85561602"Controlled power, right man, right time" is the story. They track power. "Right" is what she calls him after. Winners taking women is not the opposite of rape. It is rape with a victory. The chief kept her. The nobody got hanged for touching another man's. Rapists die when they have no coalition. That is property law, not proof women bred for supervised gentlemen. Feminism kept female choice and killed the male veto. Hypergamy without duty. That is not good-gene selection. That is the filter removed - and the birth rate with it.
>>85561620>The representation of the man actually doesn't matter>I can portray the caveman as a reptillian and it wouldn't matter because it's an analogy, duhYou're trolling>analogy of the pastIt absolutely isn't. That guy would have a spear impaled through his skull by his father. You can see in the last panel he has a daughter. Do you think he would be okay if another caveman hit her over the head and raped her? Please tell me you're consistent at least.
>>85561587>the winners take the womenThis almost never happened. This is a retarded foid fantasy. Often times whole cities were simply destroyed wholesale like Baghdad. Everyone was killed. But most times the invading force would simply rule over the people. There wouldn't be rape because then the people they conquered will start rebelling and causing instability and turmoil. After a bloody war the last thing you want is to manage an outraged unruly populace. Stop with this pseudo history slop.
>>85561602>>85561652You also cannot select "good genes" for the future. You do not know the future. Female choice is not an oracle. It is a present-tense filter: status, now, in this environment.The traits that win a peace market die in a war. The traits that win a war look criminal in a court. Nobody is breeding for 200 years from now. They are breeding for who can take or provide this year. Calling that "preventing inferior genes" is vanity. It is preference with a science sticker on it.
>>85561669The father does not get a vote if he is already dead, retard. The other man wins, the old man is gone, and the woman does what she evolved to do: recontextualize. Yesterday's captor is today's guardian and provider. The daughter in the last panel is not a plot hole. She is the point. The line continues under the winner.>That guy would have a spear impaled through his skull by his fatherAssumes the in-group male is still standing. Capture starts when he is not. You are arguing property law after the property has changed hands. Consistency is not "would dad allow it." Consistency is what happens after dad loses.
>>85561775This reads like an AI bot post kek
>>85561685Most of the time that shaped us there were no cities to sack and no bureaucracy to "rule over." There were bands. You kill the men. You take the women. Your Baghdad example is not a rebuttal. It is one mode of late imperial violence. Other sacks sold the women. Other conquests kept them as wives, slaves, tribute - just pick a century. The loser's daughters in the winner's house. The genetic receipt is still there: far more women left descendants than men. That is not pseudo history slop, retard. That is reproductive skew. If winners just administered the locals and politely dated, you would not see that gap. The state is the exception. The capture pattern is the rule that built the state.
>>85561652>>85561693Females are attracted to succesful men.I am not saying it works 100% of the time, just enough that over time it is generally better.If a man has some animal skins or he owns cattle, and he is clearly inteligent in that he isn't a retard, a woman will "choose" him. And that is OBVIOUSLY better than a moron giga-strength tard raping her.I really do not see the argument against this at all.
>>85559061You see how you just proved my point that Women's only real power is enacted through Men?>>85561491>Group A is a group with good genetics due to female selection for success.Women do not make great sexual selection choices, you can see this quite blatantly from the majority of womens engagement with promiscuity and getting knocked up by Q-ball gas station attendants.>Group A and B go to war, Group A wipes out group B due to overall superior genesIn reality, group B is the more intelligent and fit, because they have to be strong enough to confront and conquer other groups in the first place. They were made strong by letting Nature do the selection pressure, and not Women.In an environment where Nature is allowed to naturally prune weaker genetics, both men and women alike are equally judged, and thuse only the stronger more intellgent offspring survive.Women on the othe rhand will fuck a guy on death row with 80IQ, a shitty immune system, no muscle, and absolutely no future whatsoever.Hypergamy as a direct result of "Female Choices" should indicate to you that this is dysfunctional. Not only is it narrowing the gene pool, which will lead to worse outcomes in future generations, but they are failing to select healthy strong mates that make for good parents, because they aren't made to be good parents.
>>85562046Strength isn't everything anon.Take negroes for example, they are physically stronger than whites, and look at their societies and capability to wage war compared to Timmy's.I will repeat myself from another post: If a man has some animal skins or he owns cattle, and he is clearly inteligent in that he isn't a retard, a woman will "choose" him. And that is OBVIOUSLY better than a moron giga-strength tard raping her.
>>85562046also you are taking fringe cases based on insecurities or something of women fucking death row inmates. Maybe you have been on 4chan too long and think that the average woman wants that? Or maybe you find comfort in it as an explanation to why not woman wants you.Women generally want inteligent, succesful, and socially well adjusted men, often even dating onions boys because they are socially very well adjusted despite being weak pussies.
>>85561587This. When Nature selects for strength, the population that is healthier, more fit, and more intelligent will be more likely to survive.When women make the selection, they select for their own immediate circumstances, they do not select for long term survivability. There is nothing in their minds that causes them to think this far ahead.>>85561598Anon, I... Have you read history?>>85561602This does nothing to prevent inferior genes from propagating. If an otherwise dysgenic unhealthy man acts violent, and this attracts a woman, that woman is still breeding with a dysgenic man. Physical force is only one metric, and it usually doesn't achieve shit on its own.>>85561693Intentional breeding, i.e. breeding based on offspring outcomes, it inherently racist.
>>85562095Ok anon, so if you wanna get laid why dont you do or say something violent infront of her, I'm sure that will get you laid buddy lmao
>>85562072>Strength isn't everything anon.I agree with that point, it has to exist for a purpose. But all other values are decided only by force.>they are physically stronger than whitesSimply untrue. Whites are statistically the physically strongest race. Look at strong man competitions and Olympic Participants.>And that is OBVIOUSLY better than a moron giga-strength tard raping her.Yes, but if that man cannot employ his strength to defend them, whether through the collective rule of law or individual cunning, all his other virtues are for nothing.This is why White Men need to stop thinking like this, we are physically stronger, and we need to reclaim that heritage if we want to build a better world.>>85562077I've been in and out of the dating market for over 10 years not, we've been gradually heading into hypergamy. Instinctively, women do not want that, you're right. However, this is what they are doing, because they have been allowed to make their own decisions, and have zero clue what to do with that freedom.>Women generally want inteligent, succesful, and socially well adjusted men, often even dating onions boys because they are socially very well adjusted despite being weak pussies.Agreed, and that's part of the problem anon. Intelligence in this regard is measured only relative to what modern morality considers intelligent.>Make a claim that Blacks are low IQThis is seen as an unintelligent claim even when it has statistical backing.What then do they define as success? In a system that rewards cowardice and capitulation to Jewish finance, are these men truly Successful when they are ruining the collective health of society? Socially Well Adjusted? Meaning to merely go along with the status quo?True that women select for these things, but they are retarded, because they're selecting for the artificial aesthetic bullshit and not the real substance behind it.
>>85562112You're still thinking within the confines of the system, not within the confines of Nature.Yes, such opinions will not bode well against modern cultural brainwashing. However, I'm not saying you should be or advocate for violence, I'm merely pointing out to you that the Threat of Violence exists in all of these scenarios, because Force and Conflict is arguably the most fundamental aspect of Life.
>>85562032You are describing the provider pitch and calling it the whole market. Yes, women prefer a man with skins, cattle, and a working brain over a lone idiot with a club. That is not the argument. The argument is that "successful" was often the man who already took, held, and kept other men off. Resources follow victory more than victory follows a polite interview. Female strategy is not one switch labeled "choose the smart farmer." It is two tracks: the man who can take, and the man who can keep. They are not always the same person. That is why the alpha-fucks / beta-bux split exists. Your retard with cattle is the second track. The winner of the raid is the first. History ran both. Male strategy is volume plus coalitional force. Female strategy is filter plus switch. She will pick the herder when the herder is the highest local option. She will recontextualize the conqueror when the herder is dead. Calling that "obviously better than rape" assumes the choice set is still intact. After the other men are gone, it is not a choice. It is attachment to whoever is left standing. It is a present-tense ranking of whoever has power in reach. Sometimes that is the cattle owner. Sometimes it is the man who took the cattle. She calls both of them the right man after the fact.
>>85557956No, oppai loli incest is probably the most male-coded combo, or similar
>>85562127>look at olympics participantsHalf of every nations soccer teams during the recent world cup were black.The fastest runners and such are usually black, like Usain bolt.>Yes, but if that man cannot employ his strength to defend them, whether through the collective rule of law or individual cunning, all his other virtues are for nothing.Yeah, and this is why men are so protective of their mate. This is common in many other species.However, you cannot deny that in our society (all human societies actually) rape is criminal, and it always has been. Again, there is an evolutionary reason for this.
>>85562143This overlooks historical examples of Fidelity in Women, which are still biologically hardwired, at least in Asian and White populations, for monogamy thanks to pair bonding.This exists for a very clear reason, to ensure the health of her offspring and future descendants. Even old women would remain faithfully married to help raise their children's children past fertility age, a precedent that has only recently been broken under modernity.The rest of your post I can generally agree with, but if we're acknowledging biological variables, we have to acknowledge Ethnic differences and long term survival genes, which means it isn't as simple as merely Force + Cohesion, but also Longevity.
>>85562143>Resources follow victory more than victory follows a polite interview. That is just not true, the vast majority of sucess in the modern world is literally from social skills, criminals are the least succesful by far.That has always been the case in civilized societies. The very thing that makes a society advanced is this fact. It is the differnce between niggers and whites.
>>85562171>Half of every nations soccer teams during the recent world cup were black.Sports ball is some of the fakest gayest shit ever.Look into the legal code of the NFL for example, they aren't legally licensed as a Sports company, they're licensed as Entertainment, meaning they have no obligation to uphold fairness. These games have been rigged for years lil bro.How about we look at the majority of world record holders in history?How about we look at the winners of Strong Men competitions?>The fastest runners and such are usually black, like Usain bolt.Sure, because they have more fast twitch muscle fibers and are designed for that behavior. Whites on the other hand have more Slow Twitch Muscle Fibers, and have been breaking records recently even in track and field.I'm not going to make a physical superiority argument, but in terms of raw strength, Whites have been winning these competitions for centuries.>Pic Rel, Eddie Hall, World Record Deadlift>Again, there is an evolutionary reason for this.Sure because rape erodes the social fabric. However, if you acknowledge physiological differences in sports, where Whites and Blacks have better outcomes in some sports more than others, then you also have to acknowledge the numerous other physiological, psychological, chemical, and other traits that come from their biology and create different societal makeups.Blacks and Indians won't punish rape nearly as harshly, and this is why they are historically the rape capitals of the world. While White and Asian societies, that is, societies that require greater trust and cooperation to survive harsh winters, have much stricter laws.https://youtu.be/11o3LTnGVa8?si=iwsYIeHm9Z3lcCaP
>>85562173>pair bonding is hardwired monogamy in whites and asiansPair bonding is a capacity. It is not a lock. If monogamy were hardwired in white and asian women "to protect the line," it would not have fallen apart in two generations the moment the father lost the veto. Grandmothers helping raise grandchildren is real. That is investment in kin. It is not proof she stayed sexually faithful because of a race-specific monogamy gene. An old woman can dote on her daughter's kids and still have run the dual strategy when she was fertile and ovulating.Fidelity was expensive to fake and expensive to police. Patriarchy made the police: virginity, name, inheritance, shame, the husband in the door. That is why paternal certainty rose enough to fund surplus, cities, science, the moon landing. Force plus cohesion built the cage. The pair bond made the cage livable. Take the cage away and the older program shows: filter, switch, recontextualize.Ethnic differences exist. They are not a rebuttal. Longevity genes do not turn female choice into a quality-control lab for 200 years out. She still ranks power in the present. The "faithful grandmother" is what the patriarchy produced. It is not what she defaults to when the order is gone - look at modern society.
>>85562278Way to out yourself as a Euro.Football is pretty much blacks and mutts, because they aren't intelligent or fit enough for real sports.They mark the fields with lasers to tell the players where to push the ball. All the games have been rigged since forever. Bread and Circuses, same as your gay as FIFA international soccer bullshit, taking mutts from all over the world and putting them against eachother to affect global policy changes.
>>85562203Blacks and Indians are the best argument against what you have been saying, this is what happens to a society that permits rape.The illegality of rape in Europe is not a result of our advanced societies, it is the other way around, by forbidding rape female choice has created the modern white man.
>>85562177Yes, inside a functioning civilization the man with speech, trade, and impulse control out-earns the street criminal. That is the point of the state: it monopolizes victory. It punishes private taking so the interview, the firm, and the contract can replace the raid. Criminals look like losers because the coalition already won and wrote the rules.That does not rewrite the older layer. The society that got rich enough for social skills to pay was built by men who could still win and hold. Resources follow victory until victory is institutionalized. Then they follow manners - until the institution rots and taking becomes cheap again.
>>85562300Yeah my mistake.I don't watch your mutt sports, I could have sworn it was a decidely white sport, but might be thinking of baseball
>>85560433Brother I've done steroids before and they never got rid of my femdom fetishes for even a second. Made me hornier yes, more aggressive also yes, but didn't change what gets my dick hard.
>>85562304I suppose where we are unable to see eye to eye is because of two definition of rape.A: Rape as the victors taking wifes from the defeated populationB: Rape perputrated by an individual within a single society.The two are very different, as one requires a society that functions well compsoed of people with good genes, the other can be any loser who got lucky hiding in a fucking bush near the women's bath
>>85562286A strong counter argument, yes, perhaps hardwired is too strong a word. However, the historical precedent of Monogamy in these societies for the past several thousand years would indicate that it is those Organisms preferred mode of being, and it has had a positive effect on their development.>It is not proof she stayed sexually faithful because of a race-specific monogamy gene.Then why are Whites and Asians statistically more likely to engage in this behavior? When infidelity is so obviously criminalized throughout history, and couples would stay together until death, it is clear that this is the status quo of these societies.Most people like to argue that women or men will cheat and that this is all a lie, but this is again so evidently false by the outcome of these societies and what they were able to build, not to mention their overall genetic health.People have an ingroup romantic preference because it achieves the most stable outcomes, in healthy and fertility outcomes.>https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/18258915/>Fidelity was expensive to fake and expensive to policeWhich is precisely why it would be impractical in any society that did not have some sort of biological inclination to engage in this behavior in the first place. The older program is one born out of an environment that had Harsh Winters, in which long term survival was valued over short term gratification. Those selecting mates purely for momentary considerations would naturally be removed over the course of generations, and higher IQ healthier individuals would triumph in their reproduction.Yes, modern women are still momentary thinkers, but women are still highly influenced by their hormones and genetic proclivities. When the societal input collapses, most of these women will revert to their natural ethnic proclivities.
>>85562308Because your brain was already fryed by low test + porn addiction + female framed upbringing (gynocrat). All of this build up your trauma. Steroids i. g. testosterone only enhances what's already there.
>>85562301A society that is more permissive towards rape is predicated on a biology suited for short term survival, such as Africa.In Europe, where strong social cohesion is needed for survival to survive the harsh winters, Rape is criminalized to protect this social order and punish those who are too impulsive, thus those men are naturally removed from society.This does not however grant women power, as women's rights were still highly restricted for numerous other reason.However, these high trust societies have created some of the strongest, healthier, most intelligent individuals in human history, so say what you will.
>>85558011Honestly this is the only hot thing about femdom for me. Topping a woman who tops others is genuinely hot. Knowing she's s conquer who's losing to you, especially while her subjects watch, has got to be one of the best highs.
why the hell did this potentially great thread get derailed by autistic debatingyo no one gives a fuck we just wanna see some hot femdom babes
>>85562419Because porn rotten idiots like you need to be held accountable, and a contrary example to this degeneracy needs to be established for the good of society.Until the Jannies permanently ban all of you and block all porn and degeneracy on 4chan, you will always have to deal with this.So go ahead and bury your head in the sand while you can, shits changing fast buddy.
>>85562419>opens thread on /r9k>wonders why this thread gets derailed by autistsAnon, I... also fuck your faggot femdom cuck shit, nigger.
>>85562433Complaining about porn and degeneracy on 4chan is like moving to Alaska and complaining that it's too cold and full of snow.
>>85562334Whites and Asians ran low-infidelity norms where the costs were high: church, clan, inheritance, winter, shame, a husband with standing. That selects for people who can tolerate pair bonding. It does not delete the other track. If the inclination were the engine, you would not need centuries of criminalizing the leak. You police what wants to leak."Couples stayed until death" is survival plus no exit. Modernity gave the exit. The speed of the break is the evidence. Hormones did not flip in 1960. The veto did.Harsh winters favor planning, delayed gratification, paternal investment. They favor a patriarchal bargain: he stays, she is bound, the child lives. Male and female reproductive strategies are antagonistic. He wants certainty and volume. She wants sexy sons and resources. Patriarchy forced both into one contract so each got enough to keep building. Civilization stayed stable until we gave women the rights without the duties.When civilizations collapse you think they snap back to faithful ethnic monogamy. What you actually get first is the unfiltered female program: denying reality, later pairing, fewer children, higher turnover, the provider as optional, and ultimately societal collapse.
>>85558453more like femdom kirk
>>85558001What would you know about male experience, cunt?
>>85562419because the cost of producing a plausible argument has gone to zero, so people end up arguing with claude.
>>85557956I mean depends on the kind of femdom we talk about. It can be either cool, gay, cringe, even kind of beautiful really. I think femdom is deeply rooted into both sexes biology and psychology, it's just foids are too lazy and stupid and moids are too insecure about not being alpha.Femdom is the most sexy thing for a high T man, because it takes your ability of cumming and getting rid of tention whenever you like. It's not the same as dead bedroom cause you can always cheat, do escorts or just wank off.It's also in favour of a foid mating strategy because then she secures a man that is 100% committed to her AND she's 100% sure that he won't abandon her which is the most primal fear for all women out there. If y'all 100% honest, 99% of all relations go like this>Man approaches and tries to attract a foid>Foid feels butterflies and want to have sex>Over times bond build up but attraction goes down on FEMALE side>She just wants cuddles and softens the man down over time and sex goes basicly to zeroFemdom just take it to the next level and keep a man addicted to the feeling of being frustrated while empowering woman and giving women more without actually changing that much, just turning "no sex" into something playful, creating novelty which women also like. I could talk about it for hours, but most of you foids are too mentally lazy and you moids are too low on T to comprehend that.TL;DR femdom is LE BASED and high IQ pilled, but it requires both extremely high value individuals which is maybe 30% on moid side and 1% on foid side.
>>85563251>It's also in favour of a foid mating strategy because then she secures a man that is 100% committed to her AND she's 100% sure that he won't abandon her which is the most primal fear for all women out there.This is a good point. Femdom is good for pair bonding. I don't know why women don't see it.
Bumping up in the order.>very original>totally not spam>wow>le original
>>85563251>>85565223Femdom is not high T, retard.High T is approach, tension, release on the man's terms. The man who needs her permission to cum is not dominating his drive. He is leasing it back from her. That is the opposite of a high-androgen frame. >I can still cheat or jerk offThat's just cope. You are already pussy wiped, and the pair-bonding already died, because she no longer desires you - you rationalize the cage as your cucked kink.Polarity is simple. She is attracted to the man she cannot steer. Soften him, ration sex, turn "no" into a game, and you get the exact script in your the green text - butterflies first, then cuddles, then zero. Femdom just brands the dead bedroom as play and calls the frustration "novelty." It is the female strategy with a whip: lock the provider, kill the option, call the leash pair-bonding. Oxytocin and dopamine do the rest. She doses closeness and denial until he treats her moods as law. He reads that as reciprocity. She has no such ledger. Solipsism does not pay you back. It bills you for access to what used to be yours.>Femdom is good for pair bonding. I don't know why women don't see it.Women see it just fine, cuck. A man 100% unable to leave is the fear solved. That is not high-IQ mating. That is a trap you yourself set and have fallen into. The 1% woman who can run it still wants the man who could flip it. The rest are managing a neutered husband and hoping he never notices the contract was only signed on his side.If you are a high-T, high-value man, you pin her down, get your rocks off, and use her like a piece of meat. If she is actually feminine - i.e. high-value - she loves it and asks for more.
>>85562377It's kind of the same for me but opposite. I'm turned on by the idea of being dominated by a woman who normally submits to men.
>>85565372low T cuck drone. Just cut off your balls already.
>>85557956Depends. Needing self-esteem and validation is some pretty low-T reasoning, but there is nothing more high-T than wanting to feel like you are under someone better than you, it's basically combining sex with hero-worship when you think about it. It's literally in a male's fundamental psychology to idolize truly capable or awesome people and either emulate or hop on their bandwagon to share in the glory, and in a way femdom is basically putting a woman in that position. That also is why it feels there is a serious disconnect sometimes between males and females when they try femdom, women tend to almost always default to and think of it as "What would he like? What does he want? How do I do this?" but every time all the male wants is for her to be selfish and pursue exactly what it is she actually wants for her own pleasure and to have fun. It's more similar to when a male gets hyped seeing some warrior or leader pursue their goal and win than anything performative or checking a box like a service, males just want to admire her power and pursuit of her own greatness which is a very male thing to do.
>>85565449Another cope disguised as a cuck fantasy.
>>85565314Why does this read as an AI bot post?
>>85565710How about you formulate a counter argument? If the post is wrong, say where. If you cannot, you should stop coping and seething, anon.
>>85557956I've been this way since I was a young boy and I blame being surrounded by female authority figuresSeeing a girl dressed liked picrel would likely one-shot me irl
>>85566766>Seeing a girl dressed liked picrel would likely one-shot me irlYeah that's hot as fuck. What do you think about that outfit (latex, corset, thigh highs, heels, etc) destroys subbies like us?
>>85567144>What do you think about that outfit (latex, corset, thigh highs, heels, etc) destroys subbies like us?Such an outfit perfectly emphasizes the already perfect female form and high heels themselves always make women look confident (Which is a very attractive trait in a woman)
>>85567202>perfect female formWhat about from the dominance angle?>high heels themselves always make women look confident (Which is a very attractive trait in a woman)I find so too. It also highlights the feet and accentuates the legs. It gives them height which also feeds the dominant aesthetic.
>>85567342>What about from the dominance angle?I'm not quite sure, but I guess when I see the female form I can't help but want to worship her like a goddess
>>85567371Worship play is extremely hot. I'm popping a boner just thinking about it. I just wish more women were into it at an authentic level.
>>85567410>I just wish more women were into it at an authentic level.Same
>>85557956>Why does having a penis and higher testosterone make you susceptible toA.) This fetish is high tier and I respect it despite not participatingB.) This is a verbal proxy gesture on your part, pretending to believe that shit because of something YOU are uncomfortable withKindly fuck off with it.
Femdom is hot if you're bifag. And that's why women are afraid of it. Because a bifag can always leave. So it's very hard for women to manage and thus they don't explore that side of sexuality.
>>85568458Why does femdom make you bi?
I need a goth/alt gf that will bully me sexually so bad
>>85557956Both men and women enjoy being dominated and told what to do sexually. It's a sort of liberation from the responsibility of acting on your own desires.
>>85568493it doesn't lolit's the other way around: femdom is hotter if you're already bi.it's hot to be submissive to my wife. but it's even hotter when she "forces" me to get fucked by another guy.
>>85557956my ideal gf one of the traits is I would be able to walk her in public like this.I would do this constantly.
>>85568751Oh I see. I haven't had that desire but getting pegged is amazing
>>85568751how is it possible to become this cucked
>>85568751>being bi is more fun because then you can be nonmonogamous with your wifeBi fags are worse than regular fags because at least the regular fags keep their diseases to themselves, while you're spreading it into the general population.
>>85571176How many kids do you have, anon?I have two.The vast majority of people with your mentality are terminally shut-ins and genetic dead ends. You are part of the reason why the future is bifag.>>85571015become? I enjoyed this since the debut of puberty, anon.
>>85571206maybe you could enjoy something more productive like not being a cheating whore annon.
i miss taking a guy out for walks like that.this reality is fake and gay
>>85571206those kids will grow up very well-adjusted knowing their dad is a raging faggot
>>85571281most kinds in environments like that usually end up molested and become recluses later in life
>>85571255>>85571281again, how many kids are you raising?passing judgment is easy. a 12 year old can do it.>more productiveyeah, like being a childless judgmental cretin on the mongolian basket weaving forum.>cheatingIs it cheating if she enjoys it?
>>85571307is that what happened to you, anon?c'mon, don't be shy. Why are you a terminally online shut-in with insane takes on life and a propensity to lie?
>>85571319>Is it cheating if she enjoys it?yes. in fact its worse, shes a cuck and youre both enabling each others degenerate fetishes
>>85571206I don't care how many kids you molest, you're just spreading more diseases
I hate these "goth" whores so much it's unreal.
>>85571176bro is just mad that he can't crack both femboys and women
>>85571448You probably just hate that they get attention from men and not you.
>>85557956It's the most reddit-coded one too
>>85571339>youre both enabling each others degenerate fetishesyes :3sorry you don't have a wife who is sexually compatible with you.>>85571600or he wants to be the femboy but is too ashamed and too much of a weakling to even try. repression rots a mf's soul.
>>85557956>Why does having higher testosterone make you susceptible to femdom?It doesn't, you are just low test, thats why you like it
>>85571736if being low t makes you like femdom then why don't women like it?
>>85571644Get that projection checked anon, not everyone is a faggot.
>>85571781women like high test; they are mostly subs and extreme subs at that. Thats why they like doing stuff like bj, all it really gives them is a sore at most, but the reason they like it is because they like the pleasure they give to the man.if you are high test you naturally want a submissive wife/gf too.>>85571702also this
>>85571600Nonmonogamy is just gross in general, but making it gay certainly makes it grosser.
>>85571842 you guys really like making up what testosterone does huh
>>85571886No I'm just social and use real life experience to come to my conclusions.I almost (the reason why I'm saying almost, isn't because I have seen anyone irl or online like it who has high test, just that its very unlikely that there isn't some outliner) never see anyone with high signs of testosterone be into femdom
>>85571920>use real life experience to come to my conclusions I see, so you do blood tests to measure testosterone levels of random people you meet, then compare it with how they act. In a purely non-scientific way of course.
>>85571931no not really, their are traits which show, such as voice, attuite, health/athleticism/body, and faceThe fact you don't know this is a good indicator tells me you are either being disingenuous because you don't want to admit your femdom kink is a sign of low test and or you are just retarded. either way not worth my time
>>85571964Oh, okay. So you look at someones face and then decide what their hormone levels are based on that. That's genius dude. What you need to do is provide a service where you check people's testosterone levels without them needing to take a blood test. It would be huge. This is truly a scientific breakthrough.
>>85571842>if you are high test you naturally want a submissive wife/gf too.Just look at steroid abusers and see how they turn into roid trannies and all sorts of deviants. These are the people with supraphysiological levels of testosterone and other androgens. A lot of them turn to sexual deviancy and it isn't always expressed through straight male dominance. Some of them do freaky submissive shit too. They're probably best defined as Switches and can do dominant shit like dominating shemales or submissive stuff like getting fucked in the ass by a tranny and sucking their dick.The biggest piece of evidence is looking at the professional femdom scene. Dominatrices are much more expensive than prostitutes. Basically that whole industry of professional femdom is literally being held up by wealthy finance bros, Wall Street executives, top level attorneys, neurosurgeons and the like that can afford their services. Why would men in positions of power pay to take a sexually submissive role? You would assume because they're in positions of power, the rest of their life would reflect that personality. However, it's precisely because they are constantly expected to be dominant and in high-stress power positions that they get exhausted by dominance and crave the feeling of being able to let go once in a while and let an attractive woman boss them around and take control. It's therapeutic actually.
>>85557956As a femdom enjoyer, I can explain1. I pretty much always take on the dominant role by default in sex, as a man. Switching it up sometimes keeps it interesting.2. I have to be (or at least pretend to be) assertive and self assured all day, so it's nice to get a break.3. All the dom stuff men do like choking, spanking, is mostly done for the woman's enjoyment, not the man's. The focus is on her enjoyment. If a woman is dominating me, she's taking action for my pleasure which doesn't happen often.
>>85572433 Yes Beaucse when I inject myself with unnatural levels of testosterone it would also follow that I would develop unnatural attractions. Synthetic testosterone is way different form natural testosterone and people which take it have underlying issues Also people which take steroids their balls don't work, do you expect me to consider them a man> Dominatrices are much more expensive than prostitutes>betacuck which have low test and distorted general dynamics pays women more money in a dynamic which this is expected Omg how did I know this? Game changing Also>posts roided guys and thinks that means they are super masculineYou're perception of masculinity is pitiful
>>85572495>All the dom stuff men do like choking, spanking, is mostly done for the woman's enjoyment, not the man's. The focus is on her enjoymentGood point. This is usually the case. I'm a switch so sometimes doing that like choking, slapping, and spitting on a woman makes my cock throb harder. Sometimes it feels good to dominate a woman into pure submission.But most of the time, being in the submissive role is more psychologically potent for me. If I'm getting choked, slapped stupid, spat on like I'm dirt, verbal degradation, it makes my mind go completely stupid and helpless and loss of control which feels soo intoxicating. Why should only women get to experience that? Women seem to dictate the terms primarily and men go along with it because they think they're being dominant.
>>85572514You're reading too much into it. The point is that more men are into femdom than women are. Do you contest that claim? The next claim is that men on average have higher testosterone levels than women. Do you contest that claim? If you contest either claim I'd like to hear it. Otherwise you would have to concede that people with higher average testosterone levels (men) like femdom more than people with lower average testosterone levels (women) and thus it's a male-coded fetish.
>>85572558Per capita you fucking moron.>The point is that more men are into femdom than women are. Do you contest that claim?No> The next claim is that men on average have higher testosterone levels than women. Do you contest that claim?No > Otherwise you would have to concede that people with higher average testosterone levels (men) like femdom more than people with lower average testosterone levels (women) and thus it's a male-coded fetish.You fuckign moron, when I talk about low test I'm obviously talking about male to male comparisonI know people in femdom are majority menEven low test men have more test then most females, I'm not saying that's wrongBut among men the majority of them don't like femdom. And of the men which do, they are low test in comparison to other men.
Imagine being humiliated and feeling owned by a woman. It makes me feel thrilled just thinking about it.
>>85572608>But among men the majority of them don't like femdom. And of the men which do, they are low test in comparison to other men.I need a source. I don't think this breakdown has been studied. And so what's the conclusion. That low levels of test (women) and high levels of test (men) don't like femdom but people with test levels in the middle (men with low-medium test) like femdom? But again I would need proof if we're breaking it down by men only. I don't think that was the implication in OP it was more of a way to compare men to women, not thinking about men to other men.
>>85572632I already gave my reasons.And are we are just going to brush past the fact these you are a fucking moron which doesn't even understand what he is talking about.So quite frankly I don't see a point in engaging with you anymore as I doubt you will bring much nuance And you refuse to admit that actively choosing to be in a position where you are extremely dominated by another person is low test is already disingenuous
>>85572691I put it in a non ASCII remover so the spelling is a bit fucked
>>85572696>faggot uses an iphoneShocker
>>85557956Eh im only into the role playing light femdom shit because its fun to just give up some of the responsibilities of life that women get away with giving up their entire lives
>>85572744 I'm taking shit and switched to a phone from my laptop>calls someone a faggot>also him>a-actually actively choosing to be extremely dominated and consequently ridiculed by another person is actually not low test behaviour Just stop, you are embarrassing yourself
>>85572796Also her is the tags which was supposed to be for me
>>85572691>And you refuse to admit that actively choosing to be in a position where you are extremely dominated by another person is low test is already disingenuousWhy would I admit that? If you want to insist on arguing on dominance, actually, femdom is the real dominance for men because you have to influence a woman to dominate you. You will admit that women naturally want to be dominated. As a man, this makes you submissive to her desires. To make a woman femdom you, you basically have to dominant her into doing so. There, I debunked your little argument.
>>85573818ye bro convincing a woman to rape your ass is real manly. wtf are you even talking about?
>>85573829You have to be really secure in your masculinity to get pegged to be fair. Some scared beta might be squeamish about that, especially if they are compensating false masculinity.>convincing a woman to rape your ass is real manlyYes. Getting a woman that might otherwise be opposed to the idea, to be dominant for you and assertive and please your ass, takes real male dominance and leadership. Your average non-manly dude wouldn't be able to pull that off. That's why femdom is actually the real maledom.
>>85562203And now that title belongs to a mexican man btw
>>85573942im not opposed to a woman taking charge in the bedroom but anal in general repulses me so that might be why im so oppositional to the idea of pegging.
>>85573986>but anal in general repulses me so that might be why im so oppositional to the idea of peggingI have to be in the mood for it desu. But I get that
