Why do men care so little about animal well-being? Since I got into supporting cat and dog rescues, I noticed that almost ALL of these people are women and the people who support and donate are overwhelmingly female too.I see women go into debt, work themselves to the bone (full time job + after work driving out to trap/neuter animals, rescue them) and just have tons of stress for the benefit of these vulnerable animals in need. But like I said 90% women, barely 10% men if at all.Why? Can you guys who have extra $$$ start looking around and donate to rescues or people feeding or taking care of animals? There are so many places. Vet bills are insane.(And when I look into animal torture rings or telegram groups suddenly it's like 90%+ male users. WTF)
>extra $$$I don't.>Why?I got my own issues to deal with. I don't care if stacy dumped her pet on the street after getting bored of it when I myself am at risk of ending up on the street.
>>85563422Yeah that's a different story, you are not in a position to help.
>>85563425Also I support the total extermination of pet cats.
>>85563429But not dogs? Interesting. Hatred of cats is kinda misogynist so I'm not surprised.
>>85563435It's simply because pet dogs mostly don't hunt or kill while cats completely destroy the local ecosystem. To get rid of dogs would be more an issue of cleanliness in the cities.>misogynistOK.
>>85563447Dogs kill upwards of 20000 - 30000 people every year, including little children. Not counting dogs just brutally disfiguring or hurting people... just KILLING. Now I agree with you that cats shouldn't live outdoors and harm the birds and other wild life. But humans are far more destructive to the ecosystem than cats and I don't see you killing yourself over that either.
I take care of my own dog, it's in pristine condition, if some stray cat happens to get on my land I leave him alone to stay if he wants, maybe give him some treat and water if I'm already doing something outside, but just like in real life no one would care about me I can't care about everyone. As about money, it's normal that women are willing to throw more of it if they see poor animal in need, it's emotional for them and they don't think logically, men know that throwing this money into some animal shelter means less money for them and their dog/cat. Also it's not a coincidence that men use to say "it is what it is" more.
>>85563412I know this thread is ragebait but i still love my cat and i am male.Anyways cats >>> dogs
>>85563455Whenever a dog seriously harms someone in my country it has good chance of becoming national news. But bird genocide is the default state of all areas with cats. (Also, to be honest, I care less about a few random people than I do nature.) About humanity, sure, but that's a wholly different question, and I'm not gonna get into my fringe political ideas ITT. I will kill myself some day but you won't get to see it, sorry.
>>85563467How is it ragebait? I am genuinely feeling very frustrated since getting into this. I do what I can and I'm out of funds. The people who also help are almost always women. I just want to motivate more men to also donate to places.There's even things like amazon wishlists to just send food or meds for shelters or rescues, for people who don't trust well.>>85563461Cute pic
>>85563412men are shit, nothing new under the sun
>>85563472Dogs kill other dogs or cats or seriously injure them all the time and you won't hear about it on the news. You won't hear about the many thousand dog bites either. Sure, you might hear about "dog mauled toddler to death" in your news, but 99% of the attacks aren't in that category. I do think that retard owners need to keep their cats indoors 100% though and I support only rescues that trap/neuter cats to at least stop them from reproducing.> I will kill myself some day but you won't get to see it, sorry.That's your personal decision and I don't want that.
What about rats? Don't you think you're excluding them?
>>85563487I like rats. I am not opposed to supporting a rat sanctuary or someone helping rats.
>>85563412Narcs love animals because animals don't talk back and women are turbo narcs by natureThere is no reason to care about some fleabag
>>85563412Autistic or ostracized men gravitate to machines with strong, life-like personalities (e.g. sports cars or steam engines) instead of animals like autistic or ostracized women do, and "overvaluing" those pursuits relative to normies is a pretty strong hint that you might have a different brain. Hence horse girls and all of their negative associations. And you might say similar things about the heartlessness of a society that discards and forgets the men and machines that elevated them from shit-eating cavemen to modernity as you might about a society that breeds animals that need it and then abandons them.So your male counterpart is probably keeping weird mechanical or computer history alive instead of stray cats in a shelter. It doesn't mean he's dead inside. His 'wired different' is just different than yours.
>>85563412I agree, this often annoys me (I'm a vegan male).> Since I got into supporting cat and dog rescuesWhat your doing is absolutely valid and this is more of a general vent from me than a specific criticism against you, but it pisses me off just how many "animal lovers" exclusively care about dogs and cats because we have arbitrarily designated them as being worthy of value. In the meat, dairy and egg industries millions upon millions of cows, sheep, pigs and chickens live hellish lives of utter pain and misery in cages so small that they can barely move, yet so called "animal lovers" are fine with this because we have decided that unlike cats and dogs, they have no value and thus can be treated with any degree of cruelty we want. Pigs are as smart as three year old human children for fucks sake. But we slaughter them by the millions in facilities that make Auschwitz look nice, and this is seen as completely fine because they're not as cute and cuddly as cats or dogs.
>>85563491>refers to cats and dogs in need as "some fleabags">calls other people narcsThe irony.
>>85563481Well, I actually don't know the stats on this as I only researched cats after seeing it happen a lot in real life, but if pet dogs also seriously disturb the local ecosystem, then I believe we should get rid of them too. If they only hurt other pets, that's too bad but it doesn't matter very much, and my argument about getting rid of them would then be more about animal dignity and so be much lower priority. I'm not sure if I accidentally ragebaited you into engaging with me instead of the people actually responding about the topic, and I think we might understand each other well enough, so I'll say good talk and leave here.
>>85563499Do you think it's possible to motivate autistic men to care about animal welfare? I have seen men get into it when their girlfriend made the first step.>>85563501You are right. It's actually unforgivable. I think the only thing that will ever put a stop to this (or at least reduce this) is proper lab-created meat in the future. Otherwise this genocide will just continue forever or until humanity is snuffed out.Imagine if aliens landed here and just started to rape, imprison and eat us. Why? They want protein and we are lesser beings, so it's okay.
>>85563475You make an absurd generalization about an entire gender just like all the other pointless ragebait gender discourse threads on this board
>>85563518How is a literal fact an "absurd generalization"....If I say most people who become neurosurgeons are men with only 10-20% women is that an absurd generalization and ragebait or just a FACT?
>>85563412We do, but you mean like fucking animals or some shit right? always subtle
>>85563515>Do you think it's possible to motivate autistic men to care about animal welfare? I have seen men get into it when their girlfriend made the first step.Just stop trying to manipulate people to throw money on case you're invested in. Leave men alone.
>>85563412I've had rescuesMy girls cat and before him 4x rottwhilers and 2 staffy mixesI'm a guy btw
>>85563412I am not going to justify the psychos you hint at the end, but you have to remember those people are a very small fraction of humanity (like the type of woman that kills their own children: I don't imply that all women are responsible for that, it's just a few rare nutjobs).Now, why am I not sacrificing my life for animals? I am just too apathetic.I am too tired after my daily job, I just want a warm meal afterwards and play some videogames or watch a movie. I have donated some money in the past to animal organizations, but not ridiculous sums (I need the money to survive/cope and savings for the feature, that it's not negotiable).Also, if I am completely honest: I look down into people that do all that much for animals but don't do anything for his/her fellow man. My mother was exactly like that (always feeding all the strays in the neighborhood, gathering animals like pokemon at home, etc) and the bitch was an abusive piece of shit.
I mean, just put them down. Or let them freeze, come winter. It's a waste and for nothing, all this effort and expense just to spare them the suffering of being a loser in nature, which billions of animals will and should suffer all the time anyway.
>>85563542Yeah, stop asking ADULT MEN with ADULT BRAINS if they could extend some help to those who suffer and have almost no one looking out for them. Great suggestion.>>85563549That's awesome!!>>85563550You don't have to sacrifice your life. I am also too weak to do that. I am not like those people who lead rescues or deal with all the stress and debt. Just the fact that you did donate something here or there is more than most people will ever do.>I look down into people that do all that much for animals but don't do anything for his/her fellow man. My mother was exactly like that (always feeding all the strays in the neighborhood, gathering animals like pokemon at home, etc) and the bitch was an abusive piece of shit.Yeah, that is 100% weird as fuck. I have donated to some gofundmes of people who are sick and sponsored some children in the past. But with human organizations it's harder to tell if it is legit or if someone just pockets it... because you can't talk directly to the vets or just send food, you know?
>>85563412I love animals I always leave cat food in my backyard for the strays, possums and raccoons to eat
>>85563412Human life is more important than animal life and that's why STEM majors are majority men because they are trying to improve human life first. Prioritization basically. Trying to improve the life of some random animal is bad prioritization and bad time management.
>>85563574That's good!! But please consider IF (and only if, of course) you have any extra funds laying around to support a rescue that traps/neuters/releases cats for example. To help reduce their suffering and for vet bills.
I feed birds. Grains are pretty cheap. But desu I just like looking at them on my windowsill
>>85563581I think a lot of STEM majors want to enrich their own life mainly. The prestige, the money, the status. You rarely see these kind of people go into debt or destruction for the benefit of their fellow men.You know like a surgeon is really badass, but a lot of them do it for the status and absolutely won't work for anything than tons of money.>>85563586I love birbs too. I feed them seeds and fat balls. Got a little water station too. Despite my love for cats, I hate seeing them outside and trying to mess with them. >But desu I just like looking at them on my windowsill:]
>>85563583Im not here to interfere Im just here to feed themOld ones stop showing up, replaced by new ones several weeks later
The amount of insects I killed and continue to kill for frivolous reasons has kind of devalued life in my eyes.Why is some cat more valuable than the fly I squashed last night?I don't think neutering animals is good for the animals either>HAHA I KNOW WHAT'S BEST FOR YOU SO I'M GONNA MUTILATE YOU AND BLOCK YOUR REPRODUCTIONwould you want to be treated like that?
Animals can sense good vibes from peopleI guess thats why strays show up everywhere I goI can hear them jump the fence in my backyard waiting for food
>>85563613>would you want to be treated like that?Uh, yes? If I lived in a third world country, starving and full of parasites, and my inbred cousin tried to impregnate me with 20 babies I would be delighted to be neutered and not suffer through this and make my children go through it too.
>>85563625>Uh, yes?Alright, I'm telling you for your own good, go get neutered now or I'll rape you and impregnate you.Go on, do it, it's a credible threat, and I'm telling you for your own good.
>>85563596Doesn't matter, STEM majors still maintain developed society and provide goods and services that improve quality of life. Status comes from doing something society values so it doesn't matter what the motivation is because the incentives that society sets up to gain status are there on purpose for the benefit of society and the greater good.
>>85563616They just smell your food, or remember being given something in the past. Cats always walk up to me and stay around me all the time when I visit. It's not because I'm good or cool or anything, which I know since I'm not, but because my feet are sweaty and they like something about the smell. They're animals, anon.
>>85563635Nah, this was before i started leaving food outside
>>85563628You can't rape me because you have no idea who I am. But if I lived around you in person and there was a serious threat of you raping me and me having to raise a lot of children in brutal conditions with parasites and starvation, yeah I'd asked to be neutered.>>85563634This literally doesn't stop men from donating 20$ a month to an animal sanctuary.
>>85563625Also>starving and full of parasitesnigga cats are fantastic predators, they're not gonna starve just because you didn't feed them pozzed kangaroo meat.I dunno how you people who purport to love animals can be so mercilessly cruel to them just because you heard some bullshit, simplistic explanation like>uhh it's good for them trust meNeutering animals is fucking monstrous and only done for YOUR sake, not the animal's sake.Did you ever use your fucking brain for even a second and wonder how come all those species existed for thousands of years before humans started neutering them, if they can't function without being neutered? So fucking gullible.>yes anon, the brown people love our bombs, they liberate them>yes anon, the animal loves being captured and mutilated, it liberates itso fucking gullible
>>85563515It's not that we necessarily want to see them uncared-for. But they tend not to call to us to adopt them the same way you feel called. If you saw an old steam hammer -- one of the great, larger-than-life beasts man breathed life into and worked side by side with to make the industrial revolution happen -- sitting cold and dead, rusting away in a field, you would probably agree it was sad and wish something was done, but the idea of getting some friends together to save it in someone's garage would be the farthest thing from your mind. I suppose I would say you should expect to find far more help and understanding with the first one than the tenth, and as part of a club in another space (a shelter) than at home. I think we can all try to understand and support each other that way, but eventually we just see a house full of cats about the same way you might see a yard full of cars.(Idk my character count. Continuing by starting new comment.)
>>85563644If you ever looked at the conditions of "wild cats" you see how many of them are sick, fucked up, not properly eating and die young. Stray and feral cats live an average of 2 to 5 years outdoors, which is much shorter than the 12 to 20 years for indoor cats. Explain that? Yeah.
>>85563639>You can't rape me because you have no idea who I amOk I'll get to you eventually then, you've been warned.>But if I lived around you in person and there was a serious threat of you raping me and me having to raise a lot of children in brutal conditions with parasites and starvation, yeah I'd asked to be neutered.No you wouldn't, and the crucial part is that you would ASK. The animals never fucking asked. You don't see animals chewing their genitals off.Neutering animals is a human-friendly solution, not an animal-friendly solution. Also applying human incest taboos to animals is insane, some animals intermix more than we do and that's normal and natural.>>85563653>If you ever looked at the conditions of "wild cats" you see how many of them are sick, fucked up, not properly eating and die youngSame as domesticated cats. Some live easy and long lives, and some live hard and short lives.> Stray and feral cats live an average of 2 to 5 years outdoors, Source: your fat pimply ass
>>85563639$20 if had to be given to charity is probably even better given to cancer charities or something like that. Like I said, bad prioritization still.
>>85563661>Research focusing specifically on feral cat colonies (such as long-term studies published by the Journal of the American Veterinary Medical Association) shows that when feral cats are spayed/neutered, vaccinate, and cared for by caretakers in managed Trap-Neuter-Return (TNR) programs, their life expectancy increases dramatically - frequently reaching 7 to 10 years or more, approaching that of owned pets.>https://tnrireland.ie/tnr/scientific-evidence/key-scientific-studies-on-trap-neuter-return/stfu
>Can men just-No, men don't owe you shit. Face your problems yourself.
>>85563692>incels refuse to help cats and dogs to "own women"
>>85563686Vets are financially incentivized to lie about their impact on animals being more positive than negative, and half of the papers in the compendium are vanity publishing jeetshit thirdies with 0 real peer review.This is like a Nazi paper on the benefits of living in a concentration camp for Jews.
it's not ''men dont care'', its more ''there is a biological and societal pressure on women to be nurturing'', if you look at jobs like therapists, babysitters, you will find that it is all mostly women
>>85563696All I see is just retarded female spending resources and claiming that other retarded females even go into debt to "help" poor animals. If you would have triple digit IQ you would try to do something to stop these animals from multiplying but you are too stupid for that so you will burn your money endlessly and nothing will get better. And you know what? That's ok, but stop begging for money and trying to guilt trip randos on internet. Retard.
Why don't women help incels by giving them handjobs? It's free
>>85563709I have observed it myself. I know it's true. My parents had outdoor cats. A lot of them had worms, got wounded and needed surgery (other animals and cars hurt them) and died much younger than the indoor cats. You can cope as much as you want. It's true and sucks.
My big sister was a vegan who did (((volunteer work))) and she abused me and seemed like a bad wife to her husband now she's divorced and super obese and I hope she dies before me
>>85563720Yes, you dumb little fuck. These rescues almost always do TRAP NEUTER RELEASE and abortions. They stop the multiplying, NIGGER. That is one of the most improtant steps in reducing suffering and also protecting wild life from cats.>>85563718Yeah, I suppose so.
>>85563725Also she's not vegan anymore, I fully hate her now, if she was vegan I would at least find that admirable
>>85563724mind projection fallacy, anon, mind projection fallacy...
>>85563736>vets and rescues all lie>but your own subjective experience is also not true>only mine is rightok
>>85563412Why won't you support some men instead? Might be young, pretty, old, ill whatever. Just another human being of male sex.
>>85563744I have supported men.
>>85563743didnt say the first one lol, but even so, the first point is muuuch more than just ''subjective experience'', it has actual studies backing it up
>>85563724There's a major difference between surgery to heal a wound, and mutilating it and castrating it.
>>85563768But I am the one posting studies too and the guy said "not true" so I just added my own subjective experience.
>>85563771Do you also believe poor black and brown people should have +20 kids in your country? Is that how you think?
Hurrdurr why don't men join groups full of evil women who "help animals" while being bad obnoxious cunts in general
>>85563726And how's that going for you? Any real progress, or will you just keep repeat the cycle for 20 years and trying to get more and more people to waste their money before you realize that people don't give a fuck let their cat loose to breed freely and for every 2 cats that leave shelter 15 new go in?
>>85563779So make your own group, FAGGOT. No one forces you to join women-led groups. You can also find the few men who lead rescues and sanctuaries and support those.>>85563784I don't care if I can or can't solve the problem world wide. I'm not God. Even if you save one, then your time and money wasn't wasted.
>>85563754Then I'm proud of (You) :)
>>85563412I don't want to have to be around women, it's just an agonizing reminder that I'll never have a gf, never have kids. If there were animal shelters staffed only by men then I'd volunteer at one of those. Being around women as an incel is torture.
>>85563778I think people should have as many kids as they deign to have, and the idea that I should decide in their stead is fucking monstrously tyrannical, and fucking shame on you for besmirching your country's spirit of liberty.
it's like damn near any other "humanitarian" thing. you're throwing money and (more importantly) time into a bottomless pit. not only is the suffering without end, the industry exists to sustain itself, so even if there were an end, nobody would want to get there because it'll hurt their bottom line. all that you'll accomplish is making yourself poorer and giving yourself ptsd. it's worse than pointless, it's self-harm
>>85563816I don't think saving a few is pointless. It is self-harm though, but being alive overall feels like self-harm.
>>85563645So how do we avoid becoming like the Ents and the Entwives, the former so enamored with their woods and the latter with their fields that eventually neither would leave his domain to meat the other, even with the continuance of the species on the line? Tragically. I think the canonical, histoircal answer is sharing a patch of dirt. A house and a garden. Used to be every man and woman had that, and if you didn't, you had friends and neighbors that did and everybody helped everybody. Everyone can appreciate green and growing things, or a quaint stone cottage or log cabin, and not just intellectually. A living place hits you in your soul, man or woman. Unfortunately, that's out of reach today, though, at least for most individuals. I guess we should try to build public spaces that emulate that -- community centers and community gardens and the like -- and actually belong to the community instead of being Public Flat-Roofed Commercial Building #572. IDK, though. Between liability and bean-counters and dead suburban boomer parks maintained by hired help on the orders of HOA karens, shit fucking sucks. I guess that's part of why pubs -- once upon a time short for public houses -- were so popular for so long.IDK where I'm going with this. I don't really know how to get it back today, but I think the middle ground is building humane, people-focused spaces together, ourselves, with an absolute minimum of structure and formality and legal horseshit. If the best way you can access that and/or make it happen is through a church, do it. Local government? So be it. An underused version I'd love to see more of is friend groups going in together on some kind of dacha clubs. There's a youtube channel called saveitforparts that's a member of such a group, though it's far too male oriented to really be the crossover space between the sexes I'm talking about. IDK. It's rough out there. Grow something. Build something. Don't do it alone.
Kind of related to the topic: in my country, it's a crime to abandon an animal. Just a year ago, a man was arrested for leaving his dog in the airport's parking before catching a flight. And I'm unable to understand why this is the case with our legislation, or why do people actually care about pet abandonment.I understand that because animals other than humans are irrational and unable to reason beyond a basic, primitive level (if able to reason at all), they shouldn't have "rights", i.e., the Illuminist Natural Rights or the Human Rights shouldn't apply to them. Animals aren't members of the society, and in practice, there probably isn't a difference significant enough between one specimen and another to justify such treatment.The sole practical reason to punish animal abuse is because people who commit such acts are likely to have psychological problems which makes them more suceptible to harm humans as well. However, the definition of anime abuse is subjective. I, for example, don't think that abandoning your dog or cat or bird or your pet whale is anime abuse. Mutilating them is.So, if we are interested in the most practical approach to the topic of animals, we should punish only the actions inflicted upon animals which make humans more likely to harm their peers. It is silly to think that human emotions are surmountable to animals. Otherwise, there should be actions to avoid the extintion of species and, generally, the harming of biodiversity, as this is probably interesting for us humans, too. In general, I believe that most, if not all policies regarding animals and nature should exist for the best interest of us.
>>85563805He wasn't talking about people though
>>85563830I kinda like how you express yourself. Not sure if I 100% understand it or if any of is realistic, but I like it nonetheless.
>>85563841HOLYYYYYYYYYY SLEEP DEPRIVATION!I wrote "anime" instead of fucking "animal".
>>85563841If intelligent, superior aliens landed here and snatched you as a child and made you grow up in their house. You never learned how to survive or live for yourself. One day your alien mistress gets bored of you and wants a younger version of you, so she just leaves you at some random street where you likely will be shocked, scared and deal with dangerous other humans who want to rape or hurt you and starve.Would you call her actions abusive in any way?
>>85563843I don't think you're white enough to smugpost about race, slavshit/pedro
>>85563852Oh you got me good guess I'll kill myself now or something
>>85563852Uh oh very empathetic, so they are people who deserve respect and people who don't? Can you make a list for us?
>>85563845Thanks, Nona. It's nice to have somebody really listen and try to understand, even if it comes to nothing in the end.
>>85563851The fact that aliens are superior erases the fact that I'm still able to think and reason, dumbass? Your opinion seems to lack a fundamental philosophy, which is clearly a low-IQ way of thinking, hence it's not surprising that you support animal "rights".
>>85563906>retard has a meltdownYou are confusing intelligence or philosophical ""sophistication"" with the capacity to be harmed. My post never said that you being intellectually inferior makes you (or anyone) incapable of reasoning... it says that intelligence doesn't magically erase dependency and the ability to suffer. If a powerful being deliberately raises a dependent person in isolation, makes them unable to survive independently and THEN abandons them in a dangerous environment for its own convenience that can clearly be abusive regardless of how intelligent either party is or what species they belong to. You don't seem to think it is abusive at all because ummm WELL ANIMALS ARENT HUMANS; OK?
That money is better spent on people than pampering overpopulated furry pests
>>85563946A HANDJOB IS NOT A HUMAN RIGHT. LOL.You should be fed and housed and have access to healthcare, like the animals also.
>>85563412>Why? Can you guys who have extra $$$ start looking around and donate to rescuesIVE GOT A BUDGET 4 PHILANTHROPY AND DO THAT YOU FAGGOTUNFORTUNATELY MOST OF THIS SUMMER HAS BEEN SPENDING THAT MONEY ON RETARDED FRIENDS WHO DONT OR SOMEHOW CANT APPRECIATE THAT I WANNA HELP PEOPLE"OHHHH THAT OL MASTER OF GIBBITUDE HES JUST A BASTARD ILL JUST NOT THINK ABT HOW HE FLOATED ME CA$H INSTEAD OF GIVING TO CHARITY AND SAID 'DONT WORRY ABOUT PAYING ME BACK' EVEN WHILE HES GRINDING FOR NOTHIN HES JUST AN ASSHOLE HE DOESNT GOVE A SHIT HE AINT DOWN W/ THE BROTHAS"YEAH WELL FUCK YOU AND FUCK YOUR ANIMALS TOOYOU JUST WANT MY CA$H WELL YOU CANT HAVE IT"YOU THINK YOURE BIG TIME? YOURE GONNA FUCKIN DIE! BIG TIME!" JESUS SAID THAT AND HE KNOWS A LITTLE.MORE ANOUT LOVE AND PEACE THAN YOU DOILL MAT RETURN YOUR ASS STR8 THROUGH CONCRETE AND HAVE MY COURT MAGES TURN YOU INTO MY FURNITURE HOW ABOUT THATWHERE DO UOU LIVE I WANNA DROPKICK YOU
>>85563951Handjobs are realer Healthcare than your pills and therapy are. Die. Your worldview doesn't work. You need to burn.
>>85563919The matter isn't whether animal abandonment is abusive or not, but rather if it matters or not. I don't think it does. Animals can suffer from things other than aggression. So fucking what? What difference does it makes for us?You are free to think and believe and act however you like in regards to every topic, BUT, given that the civil law is a set of rules that exist to shape a society in order to make it thrive, I don't see why punishing animal abandonment is useful. And, as I said before, I'm taking a pragmatical approach on the matter.Like yeah, feel free to waste your time petting crying doggos like I'm wasting my time replying to a bot, but don't expect others to care about those insignificant creatures like your female brain does.
>>85563961You fucking mentally ill retard go book a hooker for 20$ handjob then.
>>85563979I'm gonna do a lot more than that in 2 hours and it is real therapy, it should be a human right, not your kiked pills and feminist power hour with some fatso with a diploma
>>85563987>my peepee needing a hand job from a random woman is more important than cats and dogs dying on the streetsok
>>85563989I'm vegan you fucking retarded fat bitch you're the one who screamed about Healthcare being a human right now you're chimping out about me paying out of pocket for healthcare
>>85563995SURE BUDDY 100% believe you
>>85563412Fallacy. Women volunteer more than men in general, not just to help animals. Men help animals in different ways. I for one care for my own cats and help strays when I can. Kill yourself.
>>85564002If you don't contribute to TNR for the strays you are not reducing the suffering.
>>85563989AS DISCUSSED PREVIOUSLY NORMALFAGS LITERALLY OWULDNT CARE EVEN IF YOU DID SPEND YOUR MONEY HELPING ANIMALS NOVODY GIVES A SHITHE CPULD SPEND HIS MONEY ON THAT ANDNNOT A HOOKER AND THE RESPONSE WLD BE "WELL YOU SHOULDVE GIVEN MORE" THIS IS HOW IT ALWAYS ISNORMALFAGS DO NOT GIVE KUDOS FOR DOIKG THE RIGHT THINGSO FUCK OFF YOU DONT ACTUALLY CARE YOU JUST WANT TO THINK YOURE BETTER THAN A RETARDWELL I ACTUALLY AM BETTER THAN YOU SO KYS
>>85564001Take your meds. I AM vegan.
>>85564021Yeah and you need hand jobs I get it lmao
>>85564008Alright, your posts in this thread have convinced me, OP. I now support strays suffering, and I'm not ever involving myself in some idiotic "rescue" shit. I hope our economic stagnation results in these groups being increasingly starved for resources until they're forced to quit.
>>85564024Thanks, great post! Here is some reddit gold.
I am unironically for the extermination of all cats outside of large cities (apart from the European wildcat)
>>85564024YOURE A PINKO, DONT YOU THINK ECONOMIC STAGNATION IS A GOOD THING OR SOME SHIT
>>85564008I have taken stray cats to the vet to be neutered without needing to give my money to le shelters. All the people I have seen helping strays irl are men. Maybe instead of giving your money to strangers and volunteering with your galpals for attention you could help the real animals who exist around you. And by the way, women are more likely to abuse their kids and kill their newborns.
>Based male vegan jedi saving animals all by himself with no fanfarevs>evil roastie cunt "saving animals" by attention whoring at a fucking Wiccan welfare club where they waste people's money
>women would rather fuck dogs than give me a handjob
>>85564023NTA. Humans need sex and affection, yes.
>>85563805>it's my right as amerinig citizen to have infinite chilluns that someone else has to pay for
>>85564058>And by the way, women are more likely to abuse their kids and kill their newborns."A large U.S. study using Supplementary Homicide Reports from 1976-2020 found that among infant and toddler homicide victims (ages 0-4), 65.3% of perpetrators were male and 34.7% female."oh no MEN BROS NOT LIKE THIS????
>>85564118>Women are not empathic because they don't let men use their bodies for pleasure against their will.psychos
>>85564127Women are not empathetic towards men,and never have been. You don't care about circumcision of infants as long as said infant is male and you don't care about men being forced to die in wars; in fact you think it is our duty to do so.
>>85564136Nigga men set up the system of circumcision hahaha >blames women for it>>85564144Can you stop for a second to imagine sex with dogs? Seek help actual zoophile weirdo.
>>85564168Women are the ones taking their newborn babies to get circumcised, golem. In societies where female babies get circumcised, women are the ones carrying out the circumcisions, so one could say female circumcision is women's fault, but feminists blame it on men and le patriarchy.But thanks for proving my point by showing you cannot empathize with the suffering of men at all.
>>85564194>Men invent circumcision, fathers push for it, culture and male doctors tell women for thousand of years "its healthy and good for your kid">women does so, almost always with the dads push or blessing>this is somehow women's fault and not mensmental illness to the max
>>85564199>women invent female circumcision >women make a tradition out of performing female circumcision on babies>this is somehow men's fault
>>85563412Better question: why do women care more about animals than actual humans?>I see women go into debt, work themselves to the bone (full time job + after work driving out to trap/neuter animals, rescue them) and just have tons of stress for the benefit of these vulnerable animals in need. But like I said 90% women, barely 10% men if at allFor starters, women actually get accepted for jobs, rather than systemically turned away. Last august, 98% of new jobs were given to women. Further, volenteer centers for animal rescue are predominantly female and structured around being female, and women have a very strong in-group bias for each other by nature. The question of why men don't do this more is similar to asking "why don't more women play chess" and the biggest reason is because chess is very male dominated. Even further, the kind of status one signals as a man who helps and nourishes animals, especially at his own expense, IS feminine, weak, or gay. Even EVEN further, men are less naturally maternal, so men don't fall victim to the logical fallacy of maternal anthropomorphization as often as women, whose instincts automatically humanize any animal that looks kinda like a human baby(so cats, dogs, mice ect ect). Women psychologically benefit from treating animals like humans, too. To men, dogs, cats, and other animals, aren't people. Hence, animal "suffering" isn't really suffering like how we humans experience it, nor does it carry the same weight. Animals cannot reflect on their past actions and make moral judgements. Suffering animals is more indicative of our society's failures towards other humans, so it's kind of a wet fish to the face that women direct all this help toward animals but not to actual people.>torture rings or telegram groups suddenly it's like 90%+ male users. WTF)Well, men do fall for anthropomorphization, too. It just works here through a different biological channel than maternalism.
>>85563412Women are caretakers and none of the white ones are having children anymore so they divert their attention to dogs and cats instead. That's also why they dominate in nursing despite it being a high paying job with lots of demand. I'm simply not wiping somebody's ass.
>>85564225I mean men invented that one very likely too.>>85564233It's because animals can't help themselves with most of these issues, humans still have agency in most countries. But women also contribute 40-60% (depending where or what charity) to charities that deal with human issues.>Even further, the kind of status one signals as a man who helps and nourishes animals, especially at his own expense, IS feminine, weak, or gay. And do you think men care? Men do thinks that allegedly "ick" women out all the time, like being addicted to porn or not working out.
>>85564249>I mean men invented that one very likely tooOutstanding ragebait. Thank you for reminding me that women don't deserve rights.
>>85564258What makes you think women invented female circumcision? It's to deny women orgasms and controlling her purity. This is 100% male-brained logic.
>>85563919>sophistication doesn't matter. >The abillities reason doesn't matter.Anon, nonhuman-animals don't even have the mental faculties to understand abuse as a concept. It's self-contradictory to treat animals as ethical ends, since animals cannot produce ethics. "Absue" is a morally loaded term. Without humans, the very concept of it breaks down, and if it breaks down, abuse is allowed to persist unspoken and unchecked, as it has for millions and millions of years under nonhuman-animal rule. Hence, valuing the suffering of animals, especially while pretending they're human-like, is a similar thing to valuing the suffering of a boat or a house or a plant, or a mountain, or a computer, or a business, or a currency. It decays our ethics by depriving and distracting our ethics of the human element that they require to persist.
>>85564303It doesn't matter if they can understand the concept or not. What matters is if they can suffer and be afraid imo. A boat can't suffer as far as we know.
>>85564273It is performed for the same reasons male circumcisions are performed: tradition, religion, "cleanliness" and the false belief that genitals look better circumcized (and when it comes to male genitals, women are very loud about this preference).>Despite the evident suffering, it is women who organize all forms of FGM.Why are men supposed to feel bad for women who are forced to undergo circumcision but women are free to support male circumcision without judgment?
>>85564335Organize is different than invent and push for it. Women tend to be herd animals who follow guidance and men told them they need to circumcise other women or else they aren't pure for marriage, so the woman follows her "superior". For most of history, women didn't have much say. And it happens mostly in shithole countries with no women's rights where men just kill women who talk back.
>>85564249>It's because animals can't help themselves with most of these issuesFurther, the issues wouldn't even be understood in the first place without human intervention. You're so close to understanding, but not quite.>But women also contribute 40-60% (depending where or what charity) to charities that deal with human issues. What does this have to do with putting all your effort and reasources into animals rather than people? Literally choosing the bear. >And do you think men care? Men do thinks that allegedly "ick" women out all the time, like being addicted to porn or not working out.Notice how I was talking about social status. Not just women's icks. Being addicted to porn and not working out are normal and considered base-line. You won't get frowned upon just by not being buff. You espeically won't get frowned upon for having a dirty mind as a male. These things are kinda private, too.But volunteering taking care of animals at a shelter in a feminine community is definitely something else. It signals feminimity, softness, submissiveness, and a lack of masculine grit. Both women AND men will treat you as a failure of a man for doing it, and they'll be wondering if you need to get on HRT or have a dick in your butt or something. It's similar to a woman being a CEO in the early 1980s or 70s. It was frowned upon, even though entirely legal. There's a metric fuckton of societally-pushed-under-the-rug male gender restrictions that work that way. For example, if you're male and you become a nurse, yeah you might make good money, but you'll be bullied and ostracized for the rest of your life. There's no money in voluntarily helping animals, so the only reason a male would even do it in the first place is for the love of the gameMen need the same cultural and financial liberation from restrictive gender roles as women recieved if their problems are going to be fixed. But, we'll never see this happen, because of oppression olympics narratives/incentives.
>>85564374So because some shallow whore will find you less attractive for saving animals you think attracting the whore is more important than doing something good? I wouldn't even want to be with someone who finds me "gay" because I help a cat or a dog. Why would you?
>>85563412The chad cat hunter>removes invasive species preserving the native eco system >protects endangered species from pests>supports the local meat and fur industry >self sufficient doesn't need charity >creates useful goods >make retards seetheThe ngo activist slut>steals animals sex organs>releases invasive species to further damage the local eco system >pays money to corrupt organisations to work for free>doesn't mind when native species get destroyed because the pest is heckin cute>does not produce useful goods or services >seethes outside organisations actually solving the proplem How can foids even compete?
>>85564307>It doesn't matter if they can understand the concept or not. What matters is if they can suffer and be afraid imo. A boat can't suffer as far as we know.Anon, how do you figure that suffering matters? Not asking "WHY". I'm asking you "HOW". Because, so far as I can tell, animal suffering is only legible through humans. We invented the words for their suffering. We facilitated the ethics to justify stopping their suffering. The moment we put anything, including animals, on the same level or above humans, we've put those things above ethics.Hence, you've put helping the animals above even knowing what "helping animals" is, let alone our human power to do anything about it. It's a contradiction you and most animal advocates have.
>>85564347Women are the ones pushing for it. They're the ones doing it, they're the ones shaming parents who don't circumcize their kids, because they're social animals. They bully their way into power and they hate individualism or anything that goes against whatever the current acceptable thing is. But while women who support female circumcision do it mostly out if tradition and religious reasons, all women support male circumcision and completely disregard male suffering, even the non-religious ones. And you feel no empathy towards male victims of forced circumcision.>For most of history, women didn't have much sayWhen women do have a say you destroy civilization.
>>85563412Rare example of a valid complaint from a foid. Probably the only aspect of life where foids are objectively superior to moids is empathy for animals. I rescued an abandoned dog and fostered him for half a year, probably spent $2000 on the endeavor, and I also noticed that every person who helped me in the process (and the person who eventually adopted him) was a foid. The moids ITT making excuses are just coping lazy psychos.Foids are still garbage demons thoughever. Cute animals are the only creatures that you are good to, you are vicious predators to all other forms of life.
>>85564396>So because some shallow whore will find you less attractive for saving animals you think attracting the whore is more important than doing something good? No. You didn't even read what I posted. Everyone treats you worse, not just shallow whores.>I wouldn't even want to be with someone who finds me "gay" because I help a cat or a dog. Why would you?It's not just about who you're with. It's about how your community percieves you, your immediate family, the internet, your boss, your car dealer, your renter, and even how your subconscious views itself. It's literally the same kind of social nightmare as a woman being a CEO in 1970.
>>85564441>I rescued an abandoned dog and fostered him for half a year, probably spent $2000 on the endeavor,<3
>>85564374>>85564449>male nurses and male volunteers are ickLol. If you present as a turbofag performative feminist maybe. If you're even just a decently attractive 5/10 masculine male and you handle the things that the females can't, such as handling the largest dogs or the craziest patients, you will drown in female attention.
>>85564535>Lol. If you present as a turbofag performative feminist maybe. If you're even just a decently attractive 5/10 masculine male and you handle the things that the females can't, such as handling the largest dogs or the craziest patients, you will drown in female attention.Lol. Do you want to look like this guy, except not even get paid well for it? He had to die for female politics before anyone respected him, and even then in the news they, like, put his face into an AI chad filter so he looks better as seen by the public. And, even after his death, people were STILL making fun of him just for being a male nurse. It doesn't matter that his job is really important to literally keep you alive in a hospital. People still disrepect him for it.And, you're not even doing it for the heafty nurse wages. You're just doing it for the love of the game when you help animals publicly.But again, female attention alone is not the point. You have your father, brothers, uncles, bosses, landlords, old people, young people. Pretty much everyone in your life, including yourself, will look at you differently if you volunteer to do this. The risk/reward ratio is just crazy. If you want to help animals and you're a guy, you do it privately or independantly and lean heavily into the farmer aesthetic.
>>85563412>Why do men care so little about animal well-being?I care quite a lot about their well being. Help the guys over at Project No More. https://projectnomore.net/index.html> Project No More is a volunteer investigation group working globally to shut down extreme online animal cruelty. We investigate organized networks that produce and sell animal torture videos, identify the people running them, and bring that to the attention of law enforcement and activist groups with the power to act on it. We are primarily focused on the torture of felines in China, but advocate for the welfare of all animals.
>>85564830Also see: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2z-LTEYZCVM> Between March and July 2026, Project No More reported countless accounts posting animal torture content across X, Instagram, Reddit, Discord, Telegram, Facebook, and TikTok, under each platform's own rules. Nearly all came back "no violation found," most within minutes. Please spread the word. It seems a lot of people have forgotten about the shit going down in China.
>>85564830>https://projectnomore.net/index.htmlDamn this is so depressing jesus christ. Thanks for the link though.
>>85563412Meanwhile>reforestation efforts 99% males>environmental organ which actually build shelters for birds, maintain trails and protect reserves 99% males>park rangers 99% males>reef protections and coral building 99% malesBut yeah sure men dont spam instagram with #save the amazon or whatever you people do.
>>85563412women care more because it is evolutionnary adventageous for them to care about cute things to protect their babies.
>>85564830>>85564843The site is extremely touching. The texts they write for the victims :( These brave people though. Stomaching to watch all the torture to help.
>>85563726exterminating cats would reduce their suffering far more efficiently then neutering them
>>85565073Same logic for r9k men?
>>85565098yeah sure that's true
>>85563412>Why are men more rational than women ?
>>85563412I'd go but I'm too far from animal shelters.
>>85563412>human children are extremely useless and fragile for roughly their first decade of life>evolution solves for this and makes human mothers take care of their young by giving them a huge surplus of empathy so they can be good parents>modern women have been psyoped into believing that motherhood is slavery and children are parasites>still have huge reserves of empathy because you cannot rewrite millions of years of genetic programming >women find other outlets for their empathy
>>85563412Because men can reason rationally and don't see animals as children. You're hysterical. A cat is a cat, it has it's own life. Some die, some survive. Some thrive, they come over and I can give them some chicken. So is the world. You will literally ruin your life for nothing but a fraction of a fraction of a percent of animals that need your "rescue". And do you know what will happen after that? The nature takes it's own and it will provide a dead kitten for each one that you have helped to keep alive. You're doing a completely pointless task for personal satisfaction. Any idea of it being moral is genuine insanity. You can try to make a lake by dumping a bucket of water in the middle of a field. So the fish can have somewhere to swim. The same thing.
>>85563412Why would I contribute to something that improves the lives of other humans in any meaningful way? Me helping animals would help society in some small way, and I don't want that.
>>85563412Because males see the greater picture. What is going to happen when you save tons of dogs and cats? They will not all be adopted, as it stands shelters without any rescues and such still overflow. So the plan is to money sink taking care of them in place of owners, alright, so....and what happens when more come or get born? Even more money and need to care for them. Basically, no matter how much you help with this task, you will never actually solve the problem nor will you ever get closer to doing so. Even if everyone donated all they can and pitched in as humanity to take care of all the animals currently, next month we will have to do it yet again. It's not that men are heartless, it's that they know there has to be a better way of tackling this issue to prevent it in the future. Evidence of this is wildlife and conservation donations where there actually is an equal split of male and female donors because males know their efforts for that will actually solve something and lead to a difference. We may not donate to an animal shelter, but we will donate to restoring habitats or helping protect endangered animals. Men have compassion, it is just that we know a futile effort when we see one. We would rather our money, if we donate, go towards saving something that will disappear otherwise rather than something we're better off penalizing abusers further for and curbing the population of to prevent future suffering.
idkwhy do women support triple fillicide?
>>85564830I'm going to donate a little to these guys. Thank you for sharing it.
