And I hate that the optimistic, humanistic sort of liberalism/progressivism/leftism is dead these days, especially among women, and replaced with an extremely negative sort of worldview that tends to heavily look down on most people and at most is "progressive" in the sense of, like, wanting healthcare, paid family/medical leave, and good wages, but even then, increasingly in the context of "good pay so that a man can perform the natural role of provider while the woman can be the natural homemaker", so much retreat into traditional gender roles with all the "sacred femininity" stuff and shitting all over men who aren't masculine. "lefty" women are so quick to cast any male allies as predators, and only want "liberals who lift" or "liberals who look like conservatives", and end up embracing "reactionary feminism" and going for traditionally masculine conservatives rather than unmasculine progressives. And of course even women are so fucking eugenicist in their dating. And more broadly there's the sense that most people are stupid ignorant trash and that lefty reforms are done to protect the few good people from the disgusting masses, rather than because most people are good and all people deserve good conditions and freedom and rights and resources to thrive and such. I wish I could be with a liberal/left/progressive woman who actually likes humanity and progressive values broadly (including the egalitarian social values that so many now cringe at in disgust). But that's not going to happen of course (And of course no women at all will ever give me a chance anyway because I'm an unattractive incel and all women just want Chad anyway)
Did this make you feel better to post, anon?
>>85575077I'd feel better if women would lower their standards and settle for me and also stop being so conservative and fucking hateful But that will never happen so I will continue to suffer
>>85575182>But that will never happen so I will continue to sufferthat happens all the time
>>85575182>stop being so conservativeanon, what world are you living in that the majority of the women around you are *conservative*?
>>85575212Women enforce male gender roles but want to be free of female gender roles. That's what he's trying to say, that the first part is conservative.
>>85575221Then there's no ideology present, its just in-group vs out-groupFeminists (and women broadly) will support whatever benefits women and whatever weakens men relative to women, whether its a conservative or liberal position
>>85575212>anon, what world are you living in that the majority of the women around you are *conservative*?uh, fucking reality?
>>85575053This isn't liberal/leftist it's just not being a doomer. Optimism for the future went down the shitter like 30 years ago
>>85575236most women (in America, at least, and probably elsewhere) are liberal. idk what you're talking about anon.
>>85575250most people trend conservative. most women in america are conservative, or if they are liberal they are centrists and willing to vote red. what state do you live in?
>>85575282considering the demographics of who you would be going after (single, non-married women) you are wrong about them being mostly conservative, lol
>>85575307like i said, most people trend conservative. not everyone is a registered voter, too. and less than 40% of people vote at all in america but i'm sure you are aware they have opinions on lots of stuff. women are definitely quite conservative as a group, this is well known. i'm surpr5ised that poll doesn't show data for college educated folk either
>>85575326if it showed data for college-educated people it would certainly shift left. colleges in america are notoriously liberal.
>>85575357because of places like reddit there is a sizable myth about how most women are liberal feminists but that's just so far from the truth, you really need to log off and talk to people to experience it. especially in america and a few canadian provinces. idk about europe but i get the sense you live there. anyway, you only really ever hear the most vocal people with this stuff and right wing women usually just keep their opinion to themselves a lot of the time so you're never going to be any the wiser. the average person says they're moderate but in reality, they are generally slightly conservatives. in fact, though, people will vote certain ways for all sorts of reasons.
>>85575390>data shows women in america shift more towards left leaning/liberal viewpoints>women online in general espouse liberal viewpointsI mean, sure live in your own reality then, I guess
>>85575212It's not traditional conservatism, but it's a "reactionary feminism" that completely gives up on any of the old egalitarianism and liberationist ideas feminism used to stand for, in favor of basically just saying we should reform traditional gender roles to favor women rather than men. Women still want men to perform the parts of traditional gender roles that they like, just not to expect the aspects of gender roles that women don't likeAlso, women increasingly rot their brains with truecrime slop that is basically the equivalent of Fox news fear mongering about "urban and immigrant crime", despite these times being pretty much the most historically safe statistically in terms of crime rates. The true crime slop is presented by many feminist sorts as "building consciousness" or whatever but largely just encourages the sort of extreme safetyism that gets women afraid to, like, do anything, and encourages the sort of extreme gender war shit (often holding all men accountable for the violence and danger caused by a small percentage of men)>>85575239There used to be a sort of optimism that was heavily associated with liberal/leftist politics that is now basically gone, and I especially yearn for that sort of stuff, because it aligns with my values. It's sad to see so many folks supposedly supporting the values I support but being devoid of all the humanistic positivity that undergirds my values philosophically>>85575250Again, while they can call themselves "liberal" ideologically, and vote Democrat or whatever, they still increasingly support a broadly soft conservative worldview and heavily support traditional social values especially in regards to things like dating (just in an a la carte, pick and choose sort of way)
>>85575403i've already said non political people are usually conservative and i already explained that not everyone is registered to vote. i've also already said that women who are conservative aren't as open as men are about it. 1 poll that happened during the trump times is not particularly convincing either
Women can say they are liberal/progressive, vote democratic, support universal healthcare, paid family leave, higher minimum wages and taxes, but still prefer to date traditionally masculine women and take socially conservative stances. Those aren't normal conservatives, but they are still supporting conservatism
>>85575428>prefer to date traditionally masculine menwow, almost like women have been living that way for thousands of years, amirite?
>>85575446Men preferred to date traditionally feminine women for thousands of years too, yet now so many men are fine with women who aren't traditionally feminine and don't make effort to adhere to traditional gender roles and beauty standardsMen and women are equal. So since us men are capable of this, so too are women. Women just CHOOSE not to, because they don't like equality and prefer their own sort of conservatism twisted in their favor instead. That's bad. And men are right to complain about it.
