it's insane looking at the most average men ever get called ugly online. i wish men weren't brainwashed into hating feminism because we need to come together and realize all gender expectations are ridiculous at best and cause major mental illness or suicide at worst. i see so many drop dead gorgeous girls on tiktok with almost no viewers or likes, we just see so many hot people online nobody remembers what real people look like and how we're almost all not magnetically attractive or charismatic or funny as our favorite influencers.
the average man is ugly though, that's normal, they make zero effort to make themselves presentable unlike girls.
>>85575745from 18-30, most men are trying to look good. maybe they don't use makeup but caring about hair, going to gym, eating healthy, grooming, etc. is all super normal. i am talking about younger people. after 40 the average american man and woman doesn't try very hard bc they're married and don't need to.
>>85575735I AGREEPLEASE UHH BE MY FRIEND OR SOMETHINGt. - Leftist dude sick of essentialist patriarchal gender war BS
>>85575761I'd say that's more of a culture shift than anything elseGym was not a normal thing for men before the 2010s, it became mandatory because men's looks standards went upMy mom has a scrapbook from her teens till her 30s and men in the 70s and 80s were disgusting by today's standards, no skincare routine, no fitness or calorie cutting, etcWomen were also less looksmaxxed back then but the standards rose faster for men than for womenNot that I blame women for demanding as high standards as they can because men do the same thing in their place, but there's obviously a gender ratio imbalance driving this
>>85575735>and realize all gender expectations are ridiculous at bestexcept for the ones set for men, of course! those aren't going anywhere!
>>85575769Genuine leftist dudes would understand that men started the gender war, and women are right to fight back. And women are right to hold men to high standards and express their choices rather than pandering to pathetic loser men who choose not to make effort. "Leftist" men are just predatory performative losers who want to try and manipulate women into settling for them using pseudo-liberal rhetoric.
>>85575735Females have access to better looking then ever before human history Calling these men anything but ugly is invalidating The standard for ugly has been lowered to levels it never has been before in societyIt's horrible and it's something you will never understand these men have it absolutely horrible
>>85575812There's no gender war because men hold the monopoly on violence, if there was an actual "war" declared it would end like the Taliban in AfghanistanMost importantly it's being waged on the only men who not only organically chose to enfranchise women as autonomous and politically active agents but who imposed those norms on the rest of the worldWhen white men become the minority among men in general in formerly white countries, you'll see what I meanMen who come from cultures where feminism was an alien imposition will simply eliminate it in the territories they control
>>85575761? Most younguns are obese and hate sports, what are you on about. They also have a tunnel vision sense of health (aka only going to gym instead of other important things like hygiene) and tunnel vision sense of grooming (generic haircuts, tracksuits as fashion, etc)
>>85575831Tbh fashion is mostly cope beyond not picking gaudy or ugly clothesIf you're thin and have a nice face you'll look good in almost anything
>>85575831>Most younguns are obeseLink or it never happened
>>85575810no definitely not. it makes no sense to expect men to make more money in a relationship, or to pay, or to not do housework, or to not spend time with his kids, etc.
people are evil niggers ever factor that in?
>>85575899Except women are viscerally repulsed by men who make less than themYou're not fighting some kind of cultural standard, this is biology, women are hardwired to seek resources
>>85575934humans are hardwired to do countless things we reject every single day. women and men both need to fight it, but i guess you think we shouldn't and men should keep suffering
>>85575945I'd also love to live in a world where manlets aren't seen as undesirable as well but you're trying to argue women out of what they're attracted toWomen are more than happy to demand men alter our innate sexual preferences when it benefits them but they will by no means reciprocate that, especially when they are in such a strong position like they are now
>>85575934>women are hardwired to seek resourcesThis is like arguing that men are hardwired to rape and murder because that's been the historical norm, what's your excuse for not niggermaxxing?
>>85575735Lol humanity is so cooked. What you say is right yes, but the majority of people don't care. Even the ones who say they care will continue to act as they have before. Feminism is the weapon of the elites to dismantle the west so they can rule over the ruins. But, without a firm foundation, it all just collapses in onto itself like a house built on shifty sand. Ironically, the only civilizations that will succeed are the ones that are hyper patriarchal like North Korea. What does that mean? Like fuck I know. You and me will probably be dead before any of this shit actually hits. We just live in the long downfall of the west. But, people are too stupid to see this. They will talk shit on tik tok and Instagram before repeating it the next day. Like I said, humanity is cooked. AI won't do anything but job. S.
>>85575972Thats a terrible analogyA better analogy is that men are hardwired to be visually stimulated and to have an intense gnawing sex drive and this results in them actively pursuing women they're attracted toYou can say this is bad (as women do now when it comes to ugly or ND men expressing interest in them) and put draconian rules around male sexual expression but it just results in them becoming reclusive and perverted by pornography
>>85575992>Thats a terrible analogyIt's not, because it is in fact most of human history, and likely prehistory, but who knows, maybe cavemen cared a lot about consent and peaceful dialogue. Women aren't hardwired for anything other than taking dick because that's literally the only thing they've ever done consistently.
>>85576032The way men and women are attracted to each other is different, and the intensity is differentNo amount of social engineering can change that and pretending it can is follyYou can put controls on certain behaviors (anti rape laws being a good example) but that's controlling a behavior, not an underlying attractionYou could make a law saying women have to marry men who make the same as they do but that will just drive women away from marriage altogetherChina and South Korea don't have female favoring divorce courts like we do and interest in marriage has collapsed for women, over half of young Chinese women don't want to marry or have children
