They are so low iq and manipulative, they can never defend their ideology, they come to you and say >oh you are doing something morally wrong>ok well am I supposed to live with the bare necessities >yes! >but you don't do that neither I saw you do xyz (for example the subbreddit was adamant they will still travel)>oh I meant no>then what am I supposed to do>oh just do what feels right for you !>that is a pointless moral arbitrar, since the people they criticise for consuming also believe they are consuming the amount that feels best for their happiness Like I am beginning to lean on the position of overconsumption is morally neurural since the people who do it is the people who actually need it. So annoying that woman sites are filled with these retards. No i will not fucking stop flying, buying trinkets , buying stickers, eating junkfood. I know this is r9k so people here are stupid aswell but I am just saying . Also before you tell me some stupid shit like Morality is not black and white, it literally is. Saying Morality isn't back and white is a manipulative statement, because they will be ok with you overconsuming for example because muh it isn't black any white, but once you annoy them suddenly you are a bad person for overconsuming. Saying Morality isn't black and white is just a way to be wishy-washy with being ideologically consistent
consume this dick down your throat
>>85760728consumption is good, theres a reason why literally every developing country is accelerating consumption as much as they can. Only weird 1st worlders who have no idea how supply chains or logistics work think otherwise.
>consoomerism bad>buys latest iphone every year>"UHHH I HAVE TO LIVE IN SOCIETY, CHECK OUT THIS NON-SEQUITUR WEBCOMIC FROM 2009"
>>85760753The thing is that when people they dislike consume and justify it, the anticonsumption people mock them. But when they get criticised for something they consume they use the exact same justification they mocked others for
>>85760753>buys latest iphone every yearI can't believe you faggots are still running this line to this day Weep for originality Glory to China I've been running this shit for 5 years and it's standing like Atlas himself
>>85760728you deserve nothing, and will own nothing anon
>>85760745Do you think it is unethical to buy from companies you know use bad working conditions
>>85760728Consumption is fine, waste is not. Obviously minimizing environmental and human rights abuse is ideal but often impossible. The real issue is that overconsumption (especially of low quality, cheap goods) is almost always wasteful and unhealthy. You will stop liking the plastic crap you buy eventually, your fast food is unhealthy, and your cheap clothes will fall apart.There is no escaping consumption, but you can be intentional about it to reduce its impact.
>>85760805>unhealthyNot a moral argument >>85760805>reduceYou are literally who I am criticising in the op you haven't explained what amount is the correct one, if you say shit like do what you can, people with autism who like collecting suff buying alot of stuff are doing what they feel best. These meaningless statements make the ideology meaningless
>>85760728You're a retarded goyim fucking slave
>>85760794Yes. It's also often worth accepting that.
>>85760831Elaborate would you
Consoomerism is such a boomer mindset. This whole 'left vs right' thing is a joke compared to GDP economics. Its the whole reason enshitification exists, the reason women work jobs now, the reason people are exploited into slavery working directly with toxic chemicals and no PPE. There's a famous italian cum-munist filmaker who lived through WW2 who says 'liberal democracy' is far more totalitarian than facism could ever dream to be since it disguises itself as freedom. It creates a monoculture wiping out real human diversity since using mass media/advertising is the most efficient way to sell shit. If all this 'progress' is so great why are people more miserable than ever?
>>85760832Basically, yes its unethical, and sometimes you can substitute for more ethical products. However, if you go full effective altruist you're inevitably going to get hijacked by some stupid fad rather than focusing on improving the material conditions of people around the world.
>>85760874You are evil >>85760875>substitute for more ethical productsLiterally how you can't guarantee the supply change. Also you better not be my ex bf
>>85760936The supply change? You need to trust that the people ensuring compliance are doing their job. That's why regulatory frameworks exist and companies spend billions on compliance and audits every year. It's hard, not impossible.If I'm your ex bf, stop fucking texting me asshole, I've already blocked you like 5 times. Lol
>>85761006No, you aren't. I wouldn't say what you're saying. Don't know why she keeps confusing others for me when you aren't similar at all. Maybe she's paranoid I'd track and harass her or something.>>85760936Listen, stop asking random people if they're me. None of them have been. This is the first reply I make in your threads, and the last.
>>85761006I mean alot of products like plastic trinkets don't have transparent sourcesHow would I be texting you when you blocked mehhhh
>>85761034What kind of response is that I only asked one person this itt in weeks iirc, are you even my ex or are you confusing
I'll never be some kind of murican contrarian faggot, being a consumer goyim is probably bad.
Funny how anticonsumption retards can't justify their beliefs and just say it is correct cause some others agree to it
>>85760813>Not a moral argumentYou owe it to yourself and others to be healthy. >what amount is the correct oneThere is no "correct amount" of consumerism. The less the better. You're hinging an argument on the fact that no one can point to a single correct amount and say well fuck it there must be no incorrect amount then.The only excuse for not purchasing ethically and sustainably made products are poverty or necessity. Obviously you can't but an ethically made phone or computer, which are essential items to modern living. If you're buying 6 dollar tops from Shein when you could afford to pay the premium for it to be ethically sourced, you're in the wrong.There's no ethical consumption under capitalism, but some consumption is more ethical than others.
>>85761065>You owe it to yourself and others to be healthyPro prohibition narrative >>85761065>You're hinging an argument on the fact that no one can point to a single correct amount and say well fuck it there must be no incorrect amount thenYes I am because your ideology is a waste of time if you can't >>85761065>ethically sourcedYou can't prove that
Consumerism is bad, but for most being anti is just an aesthetic. How many actually took the steps: Stopped using shampoo or deodorant? Moved to the country? Froze their ass off in a cuckshed all winter? Raised animals and plants? Actually killed the animals they raised and preserved plants? They're all talk.I judge people all the time and harshly but there's no point talking about it. I judge them in my head. >heh, I bet that faggot has a big TV and drives a new vehicle and just buys stuff when they want it and has friends and fun and sex>probably votes too, what a dumbassI can paint the rosiest picture of what it means and if they think "yeah, that sounds like a good idea, I want that too" then something is deeply wrong with them. You can usually tell by looking at someone(or smelling them) if they are trve anticonsoomer. It's a waste of time to proselytize because you can't talk someone into it. They either already feel that way or want to have sex with someone who feels that way so they pretend. I hope I one day find a woman who will pretend she wants that in order to trick me into having sex with her and we live happily ever after.
>>85761112So you are one of them and you still can't defend your ideology
>>85760936How am I evil, exactly?
The anticonsumption retards still haven't answered how flying for holidays is ok but buying products from unethical sources isn't
>>85761124I mean it's not illegal, not everywhere yet at least. I guess the thought never crossed my mind that I'd have to defend it. I'm a rabid antisemite and think they are evil in an objective black and White morality sense. By participating excessively in paying taxes and all the evil values they push on us I'd be complicit. I sleep better when my conscience is lighter. Also I get to smug and feel better than others. Basically the same exact cope and defense everyone uses for le thing they like. Maybe once I'm better established I'll sit in front of a hand chiseled organic gluten free fair trade dolphin safe typewriter I built myself and intellectualize it better. For now I'm like dang what if the well dies, I should have rainwater and a cistern, but also a million other things I need in order to larp as a true Edenite. I don't know, I wouldn't hold my breath for that. Read Jensen or something if you need some veneer of rigor, he's an edgier uncle Ted.
>>85761151The answer is that consoomerism markets vacationing to exotic places as a status symbol and/or degenerate partying more than actually going somewhere to truly appreciete thier culture. It also turns historical places into tourist traps that get vandalised and ruins the experiences of people who are genuinly interested in seeing it more than just ticking a selfie landmark off a list.
>>85761151Travel is fine by me, I'd consider the method of travel to be where morality comes into the picture. If they walk there then OK, a horse is fine too. Sailing is hmm. Driving a car or flying though, that's a heresy. It's not fair they have cars and planes because things cost money.
>>85761195>who are genuinly interestedYou literally just justified travel for non necessities which contradicts your views >>85761221Gibberish response
>>85761244You're literally killing the dinosaurs. What fossils do you think fossil fuel is referring to?
>>85761244IDK what anon you think I am but use some nuace. There's nothing wrong with consuming ethically (which is another nuanced conversation to be had) its our GDP go up/debt slave based economy which is the problem and has RUINED consuming due to the enshitification it incentivizes.
>>85761281Wishy washy slimy you didn't answer my point
>>85761311Do you not understand nuance? I am not against ethical consumers like we should be living like cave men or something but our culture has pushed us into a MONEY = GOD so marketing/social media spreads that travel is about status (which yes it would boost your status no matter what but there should be enough barriers to keep uninterested people going) even if you have no interest in learning about the culture, care about seeing historical buildings or natural wondors of the world. Imagine you love the roman empire, you've been facinated with it for years and you learn all you can about it. Then you go to see the ruins for yourself and its a tourist trap that people generally don't respect at all and just want a selfie for insta, making the whole experience terrible. Now on the other side of the coin if you just want to go somewhere to relax and/or party there should be zones for that too which don't disrupt the locals too much (maybe even built on basically uninhabited land).
>>85761415you don't need to see the culture seeing the culture is as much of a necessity as buying a new shirt therefore your ideology is meaningless since technically every consumption can be justified as ok
>>85761445does living in self sufient tribal communes apeal to your ideology? (which I absolutely should be an option available to people but the sytem will not stand for it besides very rare instances.
>>85761486That is literally you ideology. Pro consumption ideology = consumption in neutral because entertainment is a human need Anti consumption ideology =only bare necessities are a human needAnticonsumption in action = my entrainment is a need and other's entrainment isn't
Based on your picking and choosing on what to reply to and what to ignore it is clear you are being disingenuous.
>>85761504how do you stop the enshitification which maximasing entertainment for the lowest common demominator is causing? I was never the bare nessesities guy but if you won't use nuance in your thinking you just come off as very selfish. How many tons of toxic garbage or terabites of he lowest grade 'entertainment' and pruduced a day?
>>85761557Answer my point how is your ideology not meangles because >>85761504>how do you stopIrrelevant to anything since anticonsumption is against buying antics etc
>>85760728I don't think people should be forced to live with the bare minimum but there are degrees to it, and mindless overconsumption is disastrous to the planet, but it's pointless to stop if the products are still made and consumed at large
I think you set your own limits and boundaries. If you can function healthily off of fast food everyday then who am I to judge you if you earned the money for it yourself? Buy those trinkets and knick knacks as long as the bills are paid and you're at least saving something. Fuck it.
