File: 1789533438954501.jpg (643 KB, 2305x2992)

643 KB JPG

Guys are deluded into believing they can win over a girl's heart with time even if he's ugly and weird.
Girls know whether or not they would fuck or date a guy within 3 seconds of seeing him. So whenever a guy tries to fulfill this delusion, the girl has to do the performance of rejecting him kindly, which is annoying, plus the friendship is then dead and gone.

>>85824648
Women are natural parasites so it makes sense that they don't want to give up the validation and attention they get from guys they love leading on.

>>85824648
As a sub8 man youre not supposed to be friends or talk to women to begin with. That gives women the ick

>>85824685
>superficial foid babble
Yawn

>>85824648
I never confessed to my crush I knew for 3 years

>>85824685
>plus the friendship is then dead and gone
so what

>>85824648
is there anything more pathetic than putting yourself into the friend zone? just lurking, being desperately in love with a girl for what, like 20 fucking years but being careful never to show it until one day it's all too much and you crack? she is rightfully horrified that she has been "friends" with somebody who has actually been maintaining but carefully hiding a deep sexual obsession the entire time. it retroactively puts a layer of slime on every interaction you ever had while you were "friends". just some thirsty, sweaty little fucking pervert lying in wait like a spider waiting for his opportunity to strike. we have no problem with 'friends to lovers' but are rightfully disgusted by a man who hides his lust for years on end just to stay close to somebody, because he KNOWS she would run the other way if he said anything.

friends to lovers is ok if:
>casual friends, get to know each other better, then love
no problem, natural progression
>the desire grows mutually
imagine if you guys meet when you're like 8 and then start dating in high school as your first partners. adorable, no issue
>lovers to friends then back to lovers
this one is kind of a freebie but if you can sleep with somebody and then stay on good terms after ending it that is like an anti-ick and your chances of getting in again later are pretty high

friends to lovers IS NOT OK if:
>some guy harbors a psychotic, one-sided obsession for years on end because he sees his "friend" as his only option but has to lie in wait for the perfect opportunity to strike otherwise he's going to waste what he sees as his one chance at love ever in his life

why do men insist on ruining something nice with their deranged and abusive sexuality?

File: dca7e3b9a4fac7161707d6ede(...).jpg (44 KB, 736x717)

44 KB JPG

>>85824648
because it grosses me out... it's annoying... and it means that when you were just seeing him in a pure and friendly light... he was thinking nasty thoughts.
also
romantic love is not real... friendship is the realest form of affection.

>>85825363
>nasty thoughts
Why do those thoughts suddenly seem romantic when it's a chad?

File: 9f334d7701fbb1e9f0f1c6065(...).jpg (66 KB, 736x635)

66 KB JPG

>>85825370
nasty thoughts are nasty thoughts. plus i have never seen a chad irl. there are attractive men but i don't care about them. i think cute girls deserve everything.
yes i am straight

>>85824685
I agree with this. Men rly need to understand what it is like for foids

>>85825370
There's nothing nasty about sex. You are just talking to a puritan weirdo

>>85824648
I am in one of those relationships. We respect each other and overall its very healthy. Its great when its mutual. The problem is when its not mutual and you find out someone you b thought was your friend secretly wanted to fuck you the whole time.

>>85825370
your mistake is in thinking women are heterosexual, evolution works in mysterious ways

>>85825400
>sex, being attracted to somebody
not nasty
>trying to run a multiple year covert psyop campaign to force somebody to love you against their will
nasty

>>85825357
>is there anything more pathetic than putting yourself into the friend zone
better than total social isolation

>>85825403
Women are rapesexual so counterintuitively sex is better for them when they are less likely to be interested in men

>>85825408
friend zone is 1000x worse than total isolation wtf
>i have a job where i lick shit off the floor of public bathrooms full time
>well, better than being unemployed

>>85825408
I thought so but I regret keeping the friendzone charade for so long

>>85825357
>chad friend to lover = good
>virginal beta orbiter to lover = literally rape/ the ick X 10000

>>85824648
they don't want to be with men that actually love them, they just want to get fucked by chad

File: 2173afc05bc20d407d4bba11e(...).jpg (89 KB, 736x736)

89 KB JPG

>>85825400
i am a puritan weirdo for myself and myself only....

File: 1323123.png (159 KB, 1029x399)

159 KB PNG

>>85825410
you are confusing genital arousal for subjective arousal. they are not even rape sexual

their reason for having sex is not sexuality, they have some weird specific person attachment based system to be open to sex but they are not into general male dimorphic trait.

women being heterosexual is the biggest psyops in the existence with equal opposite bs assumption

>>85825420
chad would never in 1 million years do the friendzone to lover manuever. he is fucking other girls the whole time, he didn't stay obsessed with a 'oneitis'. he knew one girl for a few years among his many friends including a bunch of other women, fucked 30 others in the meantime, then eventually for whatever reason circumstances aligned such that he got interested in this one girl. he immediately lets her know, does not sit on it for years, and if she isn't interested he moves on without weirdness immediately. maybe they don't hang out one on one for a couple months or something to let it blow over but long term it's no problem. now compare this to the onefriend oneitis incel "friend" scenario.

>>85825443
isn't that just hypergamy? Using sex as a tool to get ahead in life only

>>85825405
>>trying to run a multiple year covert psyop campaign to force somebody to love you against their will
>nasty
Meanwhile
>>just raping her after the first date (as a chad)
>sploosh

>>85825363
lol retarded ass nigger foid please shut up

>>85825455
No, it's involuntarily attachment based, they can be such attached to broke loser vs rich chad. at any given moment they are attached to someone and pretty much hates, finds neutral or fears rest of men.

hypergamy exists but it's due to male sexual selection patterns, men asses competitive quality with their perceived resource before approaching which changes outcome, women can't into asking outs

File: 34bbad06ff63a5704fad7c42e(...).jpg (52 KB, 735x483)

52 KB JPG

>>85825469
you are a disgusting and tainted moron

File: 1761869449108079.gif (121 KB, 306x250)

121 KB GIF

>>85824648
The most good faith reading of that comic I can muster is that women are annoyed by guys they have low chemistry with asking them out. As in, a guy is only a vague friend, not close at all, and there's no chemistry between them, but he asks them out anyway because he's lonely and will take anyone. But then even that interpretation gets ruined because they act like those friendships are valuable in the first place and it's a loss if they end. And there's plenty of stories in the replies of women having CLOSE friends asking them out, where there's clear chemistry there, and them still being mad. Make it make sense. I fucking hate women bros.

>>85824648
Because the male friends they keep around for attention aren't Chad

>>85824648
men understand the real definition of love. Being there for each other and being genuine and loyal. Women view love purely as infatuation. If they don't feel an extreme and most importantly temporary sense of lust and joy from someone they think that's a sign of an absence of love. The thing is no relationship could ever keep that infatuation going because it's only ever a fleeting emotion. Love is NOT an emotion though. It's a state of being.

TLDR: Women have a warped and fundamentally hedonistic view of love while men genuinely want to love and care for someone loyally.

>>85825363
>and it means that when you were just seeing him in a pure and friendly light... he was thinking nasty thoughts.
what is with foids and thinking a guy seeing you in a sexual light inherently means he's evil and horrible and wants to harm you? No you dumbass, they want to love you and make you happy in all the ways an adult does.

>>85827357
Precisely. Which is why whenever a male friend confesses their love they always assume the worst.

>>85826383
I've seen enough DOGSHIT "friendships" out there to confirm these women likely have very low standards for "chemistry" and their boring ass selves are also to blame. Their friendships are fuckin nothing. They're filled with generic humor, generic kindness, generic conversation, oh maybe they shit talk their other "friends" together and consider that an act of intimacy like in their teenage romance flicks. Good riddance nigga.

File: 1792477888230811.jpg (32 KB, 480x253)

32 KB JPG

>>85826383
The vast majority of them are literal animals and so won't be honest about any of this because it makes them look bad
>>85827379
Non-Chad having sexual desires = The Ick

>>85825363
>he was thinking nasty thoughts.
I've seen this recent trend of zoomer girls being puritans, but only when it comes to male sexuality. You'll say sex is "nasty thoughts" when it comes to a man but in the same breath you'll defend whoredom and you're not a virgin yourself. Kill yourself whore

I've had gfs, I've never had a female friend in my life. It either escalates or we drift apart in weeks to months.

File: 1b158e149d50cc62465e562fc(...).jpg (86 KB, 736x981)

86 KB JPG

>>85827379
no... lies.... and more lies....
>>85827550
i am literally a virgin and that is why i am repulsed by perverted men. you should kill yourself.

>>85827724
Okay, that's fair. I'm sorry. I hope you lose it to a cute guy who is also a virgin and you stay together forever. Have a nice day.

>>85827357
Romanticism lead to the bifurcation of friends and lovers. Friend = sucker who gets cucked (this is their emotional tampons when they're young and who they marry when they're older), lover =passionate infatuation (this is who they have fun with when they're young or extra-marital affairs with when they're married). The modern conception of love, which started with courtly love in the middle ages, is retarded af. Infatuation is literally just psychosis, that you can become obsessed with someone you barely know and think you "love" them is delusional. But these kinds of false ideas have been implanted into people's minds through media and culture. I think a more reasonable approach to love is to go for someone you like, not "love", and who you think is a good person, and make love a choice, not just something you "fall" into or something that they give you. That you "fall" into love or that love is about what people give you are just more absurd notions of love, true love is a choice to give yourself to another.

File: 1514319925001.png (224 KB, 544x572)

224 KB PNG

>>85827750
Do you think she is a virgin by choice? She still has "nasty thoughts" and dreams of fucking Chad nightly, it's just Chad won't fuck her because she's ugly.

>>85825395
>WAH!
>SOME ONE WANTS TO LOVE ME!
>WAH!
>HOW COULD THEY!?
>WAH!
>DON'T THEY KNOW I WANT SOMEONE MORE?
>WAH!

File: 1761838828729001.png (343 KB, 1525x1739)

343 KB PNG

>>85824648
Women's romantic ideal is feeling a "spark" with a random Chad. You can't feel the spark with a childhood friend because you have known each other for so long.

>>85827761
You realize that the described model will always lose to the emotions a situationship gives in the dopamine economy. There needs to be an initial emotion to motivate people to do anything at all. You wouldn't want to be the person they 'choose to love' either unless you are a hyper incel in torturous lonely conditions like irl maugli children

>>85827984
psyop'd to hell and back by the modern age huh? It's literally exactly why childhood friends are such a big trope in romance. They were there from the start. There was no big emotional spark necessary. It's purely the love of being with the person.

File: c5cd5c0e2ba9953f4fdcdf48f(...).jpg (39 KB, 736x815)

39 KB JPG

>>85828000
I've read very few of such books so my generalization might be wrong, but the childhood friendship turns into something bigger when the female protagonist notices how her friend started manning up into virile chad

>>85828000
Is it a big trope? Western media hates the idea of a childhood friend, and in anime it's a well known meme that the childhood friend always loses.

>>85828019
so
you're telling me
you're telling me it's over
over before it began even?

>>85828025
>childhood boy always loses because there's always a chad
>childhood girl always loses because boy was a chad and now she has to share or get out of the way

>>85828019
The only time a woman will show an interest in a childhood friend is when he starts talking to other girls and tries to break away from being her eternal orbiter. Then and only then will she give him hope in an attempt to pull him back into her orbit.

>>85827956
Why don't women say this out loud instead of playing a charade? Do they just like wasting people's time?

>>85827984
You're looking at it the wrong way though, you're not losing anything by not getting into a relationship that's doomed to crash and burn, which is what happens when relationships start out with infatuation. If anything you should look at it with pity, because infatuation is basically psychosis. I'm not saying to be with the person that "chooses to love you" either, because what that actually means in modern society is that they see you as a cuck. Like I said though, this is the result of the bifurcation of friends and lovers. Marriage is seen as a duty and a core while flings are seen as something that's fun and for it's own sake. In that context marriage is always the "losing" option, because who wants to be seen as the boring guy she decides to settle down with because it's like she's completing a chore checklist? It doesn't have to be that way though, people have been brought up to see love in perverted ways that leads marriage to becoming some kind of cuckoldry-lite. True joy doesn't come from craving to be loved, it comes from giving yourself to love, by making the choice to love someone and grow with them. It's not about what someone gives you it's about what you give them, but it should be mutual ideally, mutual giving.

>>85828073
Chore checklist*

>>85828066
bc then they can't farm free shit from the guys they don't want

because men don't treat their sexual partners like buddies. for the male mind nothing is lost because sexual intimacy is like the intimacy of friendship, but stronger and better, where for women it is a friendship lost which can never be recovered, and a romantic relationship doesn't fill even half the void it leaves behind.

>>85828073
I don't see the point in mourning a relationship that ended and claiming it's a waste. Marriages become bleak after 5-10 years, always have always will due to children and general desensitization. Would it meaning marrying was a mistake? Or are we measuring practical outcomes only? And there's no way to avoid serial monogamy no matter how far the society is from the western standard. They will always find a way to date around within the window of opportunities. I think ageing is an issue too,mental ageing and the general baggage too, there's no way marriage will ever compare to the crush you had at 14 even if you live in Afghanistan and got married off at 15

>>85827956
Weird, I'm a guy but I feel this with a certain girl. Hardly ever noticed this before.

Women have psyoped themselves into believing that a romance is more natural with someone you just randomly met and know nothing about vs. someone who you know intimately and have shared many experiences with already.

Foids can cope about physical attractiveness and whatnot but their revealed preference betrays a deep corruption of the soul. Modern f*males like this are just trash:
>>85824685

>>85828066
because people would (correctly) call them retarded for basing their romantic life on whims and hormones

>>85828073
>mutual giving
Anon that's very cute but Florence Nightingale hit it on the head a good while ago. Loving women is a one way street.

>>85828131
If you believe you base your romantic life on anything else you lack self awareness

>>85828137
Stfu bruh. Men barely even love. Most 'romantic souls' here openly fear muh muh dead bedroom because their free pussy supply would end or any pregnancy-related changes in their wives who rides her ass to shit out HIS spawn. Not claiming all or even a majority of women 'love' but there are far more universally recognized archetypes of masochistic self-sacrificing women that there are similar acknowledged men. And most of those men are unpopular and ugly whereas even somewhat attractive woman can fall into the masochistic spiral

>>85828118
>I don't see the point in mourning a relationship that ended and claiming it's a waste.
I'm not necessarily saying it's a waste, what I'm saying is that staking your source of joy in something that's doomed to fail is not something to covet or envy, that's actually tragic. When you lose it then you become more gaurded because you associate love with heartbreak. The reason why the crush you had at 14 was so magical is because you had no such inhibitions, because it wasn't treated as a means to an end like people treat marriage. It was for it's own sake that you freely gave yourself to someone else even if it wasn't the wise to stake all your joy and happiness in a fallible human. People don't feel the same way because they close themself off and become cynical and calculating. Either it's zero strings attached flings, or it's some kind of marriage which you're checking off the checklist like it's some chore.

Why do performative nigger faggots post meme arrows on Twitter?

>>85824685
I agree that this is how it works but why don't they reject the guy instantly and just stop him from getting into the friendzone position? They do know the guy has a thing for them i am pretty sure.

File: 1586105400973.jpg (189 KB, 1280x720)

189 KB JPG

>>85824648
i think this gender war stuff is just too fargone. is it bad when a woman and a man who are very close friends falls apart when the men catches feelings and admits the truth to her and she harshly rejects him and ends the friendship instead of being mature and telling him they aren't attracted to him or see him the same way but they like being their friend and wish to remain friends? Yeah it sucks but its what women do (and get away with doing).
Women have all the agency these days (men used to have it. Only 10% of men have it aka chads).
I just wish men and women stopped the pointless hatred of one another and were more honest instead of abrasive, rude and downright cruel to each other.
I'm a man who had a female friend for 10 years and when I admitted I had feelings for her, she not only ended the friendship but blocked me on everything forever. Imagine what that does to a mans psyche about women. He remains alone and afraid to talk to women ever again.

>>85828140
Do not project your lack of self control onto me

>>85828165
>stfu bruh
No niggerbabble, thank you.
Opinion dismissed.

File: 4545612545465.webm (3.77 MB, 720x1280)

3.77 MB WEBM

>>85824648
Not if you're little Tim over here. He gets to fuck prime Asian pussy. Women all over the world celebrate this relationship, even with Tim being a sperg and all, but YOU can't do it with them.

>>85828225
What a retarded cuck

>>85824648
She's friends with you because she isn't attracted to you, or if she was she knows too much about all your weaknesses and/or grown bored of you over the years. The trick is being a blank slate and superficially similar enough to one of her favorite actors, influencers, or goonbook characters. Once you have an in and she's receptive to flirtation, you have to aggressively line up dates and put the moves on her to pair bond. In this period, you must show as few weaknesses as possible.

>>85824685
>So whenever a guy tries to fulfill this delusion, the girl has to do the performance of rejecting him kindly, which is annoying, plus the friendship is then dead and gone.

This is why I don't give foids the option of friendship anymore, nor the benefit of the doubt. Either be into me from the start or die.

>>85828213
>I'm a man who had a female friend for 10 years and when I admitted I had feelings for her

Brutal. I only talked to her for like 3 months and she ghosted me when I started showing feelings, and the pain has lasted years. I don't trust foids essentially and expect them all to do the same thing. Like clockwork, last foid I asked out did the same thing, but at least it did not hurt at all because I expected it.

>>85827956
This is so ridiculous. I've added girls and sent them a dickpic right away (its big) and theyre into talking with me after. I've tried talking with other girls about philosphy and shit which they claim to be into, and they ghost me.

File: 1754742332582174.jpg (57 KB, 639x639)

57 KB JPG

>>85824648
I hate foids so much. I just want them to be replaced by sentient androids, because atleast they are possibly capable of love in the future.

>>85828553
Also, can't imagine what it's like to know a chick for years and she can't even tell you that she's not into you. I snapped at my ghoster, not my proudest moment but at least it brought some form of closure that the last she heard from me was calling her a bitch and scaring her a bit.

>>85824648
The fact that this is true is _________
there are no appropriate words
We screwed up in the past life and are in hell. What other conclusion is there?

>>85824685
Guys don't know that the girl would fuck him within 3 seconds of seeing him unless hes the chadliest of chads who has never doubted himself for a second and also a massive womanizer.
But if mr. Fuckable-within-3-seconds decides to take it slow and try to be her friend she'll immediately cut-off the fuckability route forever.
Bitch I'm not fucking sleeping with a crazy baby-trapper the moment I meet her. I need to know shes not crazy before I get interested. Stacy doesn't interest me with looks alone.

>>85824648
i dont even dislike this shit. i always hated the normie "just make friends with girls if you want a gf" shit. atleast its not just incels pushing back.

>>85828540
Virgin for life

>>85824648
Because women are more authentic in their relationships. If she falls for you she will make damn sure you know it.

Men are shit in contrast, and all girls have a story of the male friend that only wanted to get into her pants, once it's clear she is not really interested he becomes a completely different person, so nothing in it was ever genuine

File: 1791709946987049m.jpg (109 KB, 621x1024)

109 KB JPG

>>85828691
I want to eat out almost every girl's ass

>>85828684
I'd rather be a virgin than deal with games, ghosting and fake friends. Women who don't wanna fuck right away aren't real friends anyways.

>>85824685
>friendship is then dead and gone
There was never friendship if the guy was secretly in love with you.

bc friends don't become lovers usually. But a woman who is your friend might appreciate if you made her orgasm occasionally.

>>85824685
This is the core dichotomy between men and women on the matter of love.

Women will love you in the moment, that is, if she was going to love you then it will have been decided in the initial interaction. Men however, only love with time. It's almost a binary thing with women, while men it's an amount that grows with time.

>>85824648
We realize that really all you actually cared about was sex and our friendship meant nothing.

>>85829256
>sex is evil and wanting it inherently means you never wanted anything else or intend to use it as a means of expressing your love
seriously why is this view so common among women?

>>85828691
Why do women expect a guy to just casually go back to being friends with her after she rejects him completely? You just admitted that you don't actually like them enough to want to advance any further.

>>85824648
having your spouse be akin to your closest best friend is unironically the gold standard for a happy healthy, long lasting, relationship. The fact that it's seen as manipulative or evil to try to build that relationship is actually destructive to society as a whole.

>>85829149
Again, why can't you be friends with someone you're in love with? Or more accurately develop feelings for someone you're friends with. Why does that invalidate the friendship?

File: 1763460867573702.jpg (67 KB, 680x516)

67 KB JPG

>>85824685
>Girls know whether or not they would fuck or date a guy within 3 seconds of seeing him
Atomic truthnuke.

>>85829254
see
>>85829268

A woman knows if she would ever love/fuck a guy right away. If not, he's slotted into "non-sexual" category to her. A man either started as a friend or he started as a potential lover, there's no room for change. But a man grows in affection with time, and comes to want to love/fuck a girl because of increasing familiarity and trust. He falls in love with her, when he wasn't at first.

This is a fundamental, perhaps even biological difference between men and women, and why they can't understand the other's nature on the topic. Men can't understand women's issue with a friends-to-lovers scenario, women can't understand men's favor of the scenario.

>>85829344
as always though, women's perspective is destructive to society
>>85829281

>>85829288
>Why does that invalidate the friendship?
I'm not a woman, but it would be cruel to continue a friendship under those circumstances, right? It's not like you're gonna stop loving her if you spend more time together. You're essentially an IRL simp.

>>85829359
I think you got me backwards here, I'm saying why is it wrong to be a friend and then naturally evolve into loving someone as if they are completely separate things. I love you becomes you are my friend and I want to grow beyond the boundaries of the friendship with you, not out of some weird ass maliciousness you associate with any kind of male sexuality.

>>85824648
Plenty of us don't hate it, you guys need to stop listening to the social media ragebait. I had a male friend who was a really great friend, and I had a pretty big crush on him. He told one of his friends he liked me, without thinking that I'd find out, but the friend spilled the beans. I was HAPPY but he just freaked out literally crying over how he felt horrible for betraying the friendship and how he was a fucked up guy because of it and he was so sorry and that of course he had no intention of anything happening but he also understood that the friendship was over and was so sorry for hurting me. Didn't even give me a chance to say anything before freaking out like that, when I tried to comfort him he insisted that I "shouldn't have to make that emotional labor" and rapidly isolated himself. When I persisted in trying to comfort him and make it clear I actually liked that he wanted to go from friends to more, he just got sad that I "had such little self respect" and also said that it was "problematic" of me not standing with other women on this "issue"

>>85829382
that dude should kill himself immediately, he sounds like such a fucking pussy. Literally I encourage you to tell him to kill himself.

>>85829391
That's extreme. I'm not happy with the way he self destructed over this stuff but he's quite a lovely gentleman
>>85829394
According to himself, he never asked anyone out in his life, so I doubt he has trauma from going through that. He's always been pretty "online", so I'm guessing he gets the fear from Online Discourse

>>85829372
I think it's still not a good thing if it evolves naturally because your feelings are not being reciprocated. I guess the best way to think about it is if you have a male friend and he confesses his love to you after being friends for years. Your friendship would be completely different after that, right?

>>85829376
Yeah, I guess some will do that, but women don't want to be friends with me in my experience. They either want a relationship or nothing to do with me. I don't really want to be friends with women either desu.

>>85829442
>Female to (average) male attraction is as non existent as male to male attraction is (excluding the minority of gay men)
Yeah we kinda knew that already, that's why women have a problem with it and men don't, because men like most women and women don't like most men, if anything must men elicit some kind of disgust in them in the same way most people are disgusted with thinking of their siblings romantically.

>>85829450
>online
Online isn't real life, social media algorithms boost controversial stuff for engagement. In real life, plenty of women are fine with the idea of friends to lovers, and mostly just get annoyed if a man cultivates friendship and then throws the friendship away when he gets rejected (and even then, that's just annoying, not some violation). Friendship to lovers doesn't always work but a lot of women are open to dating their friends if they are attracted to them

>>85829372
because spending a lot of time around someone you are desperately thirsty for but can never touch is unbelievably torturous and somebody who tolerates that for a period of multiple years is obviously seriously mentally ill

>>85824648
I have a few male friends. If I were to find out that any of them are into me I don't think i'd want to talk to them anymore, bar one who already has it easy with women.

>>85829504
you may as well ghost them all then because all the guys (other than chad) are definitely at least entertaining a hope of a possibility of fucking you

>>85824648
>Why do women hate friends to lovers relationships?
Because women's male "friends" are rejected men that they're disgusted at the thought of reproducing with. The beta bux bob. The cubicle carls. The good joes of blade runner. The average woman has nothing but disdain for the average man, and she always has. Needing a man to physically survive is what kept women interested in men. It's why modern societies that care for women end up having fertility problems.

>>85829504
>were to find out that any of them are into me I don't think i'd want to talk to them anymore
Because you'd feel guilty at extorting all of their time, energy and attention and giving nothing back in return. Because you're a parasite that doesn't deserve a male friend. Because women are the nigger of genders.

>>85824648
>that fucking comic
Aw sweet, the newest blackpill of the biweekly time period. Although I have always known cunts only have male friends to use them like the utter narcissts that they are, all of them.

>>85829585
xzibit A: a retarded moid whose conception of "friendship" with a woman is putting time, energy, and attention into a malfunctioning sex dispenser. one can only wonder why his "friends" don't like being on the other side of this equation

Im so tired of biofoids man. Elon Musk and Sam Altman needs to hurry up with the AI waifus already. I will go into debt just to get a wife I don't give a fuck.

>>85825491
You don't look like that lmao just fucking stop

>>85829511
This is often the case but not a hard and fast rule. I had a ridiculously hot female friend (lost touch over the years) who I never wanted anything to do with romantically because she treated her boyfriends like crap and I valued the friendship over trying to get laid.

>>85828691
>have a story of the male friend that only wanted to get into her pant
All of that shit are lies anon. Girls have ghosted me and treated my like a rabid dog or rapist even though I was kind to them and had the most honest intentions. Let's just say there's a total of 1 occasion that I may have wanted a hookup, out of 10 women who reacted the same fucked up way.

>>85824685
They only female friends a guy should have is girls her already fucked and rejected.

>>85828691
>>85829720

Yeah a guy ghosting afterward doesn't necessarily mean it wasn't genuine - also very possible he was crushing hard and facing the rejection again and again is painful, not that he only wanted her body. Also just possible that either or both of the people involved are being socially awkward / weird about it rather.

Over the course of my life tried to make a female friend something more 4 times; two times turned into a relationship, one time got turned down and we were both cool about it and stayed friends, a fourth time it killed the friendship because I was too heads over heels and couldn't be cool about it. In absolutely none of them was I risking a friendship just for a hookup.

>>85829648
this, if they actually invent quality gynoids even if they cost a million dollars each ill take out a mortgage and live in a shoebox i dont care i just want something to love

>>85824648
Majority of foids are truly subhuman holes who should be wed when they're young and unused

pretty good thread guys very insightful honestly

>>85824648
I dated my male friend which was initially platonic, but when my other friend asked me out I felt physically sick that someone I considered a friend liked me in that way.

>>85829958
Pieces of shit like you shouldn't be dating. Just fucking quit and take yourself out of the dating pool. Become religious or something. You are the problem.

>>85829958
>physically sick at the amount of money I will now have to pay mechanics and carpenters and movers

>>85828213
>>85828553
I'm on the women's side here despite being a misogynistic incel. For one reason or another, she doesn't like you. Maybe it's for a shallow and retarded reason, or maybe a genuinely good reason and she sees that a long term relationship would never work due to serious incompatibility issues. Either way, it's just a truth, she doesn't want to be with you and therefore a relationship would never work out.

What is the best course of action in that scenario? It's to completely cut contact with the man. It sucks you're not liked, but granted that you indeed aren't liked and that's the basis of the situation, she did the most rational and best action. Everything else is worse than cutting contact. The women who keep up friendships with guys who like them are literal attention whore devils exploiting men like you who have no self respect and won't end things themselves. You got incredibly lucky to meet reasonable women who set you free to go pursue another girl who could potentially like you and want you, and you're crying about it?

>>85828691
I feel the exact same way about women pursuing male friendships in the first place. It is inherently not genuine. There is no such thing as "I only like you as a friend". Either you see me as a full person and like me, and that means a romantic relationship, or you don't and are only exploiting me. It is far more insincere than what men do.

>>85829712
Why would you value the friendship of a person like that? To me that is the divide. Either I value you as a friend and therefore want something more, or we're not friends in the first place because shallow friendships with subhumans I wouldn't date are pointless.

>>85830069
Because lack of communication is not really letting the relationship end due to compatibility issues. Lack of communication is telling the other person you do not value their time, respect them, etc... It does not shut the door, that's what an outright rejection does. It leaves half open, leaving the thread of hope hanging there that there may still be something if the guy chooses to pursue (essentially telling the guy all he's worth is just the attention he's giving her). Only someone who would does not have any respect for you whatsoever would do that to you. I used to be nice to women, but now if an IRL woman did that to me ever again, I would probably get physical with her.

File: 1781410741738207.png (1.52 MB, 1184x864)

1.52 MB PNG

>>85824685
Except i'v seen it work a few times, where a fugly moids is being such a good feminist, sjw, cuck to a pretty good looking chick with mental illness issues that they get togeather, but usually it takes years.

>>85829958
Used goods whore takes love for granted. Many such cases.

>>85824648
Men and women can't be friends. Thats the problem. The delusion is thinking this exists when it does not.
For a female having what she believes to be a male friend is very convenient. Not only because he is a useful simp, but because women can't have that kind of relationship with other women.
For a male is only loss.

File: 1804762922958354.jpg (42 KB, 630x420)

42 KB JPG

companionship to coitus

>>85830074
Finally somebody who says it.
There's no "I only want you as a friend" in genuine heterosexual relationships of any kind.

If she's adamant about not ever being sexual with you, it means she doesn't see you as a full human being with a sexuality. They see you as a simp/convenient tool. I can understand this only if the girl is a committed relationship and makes it very clear from the beginning she has a boyfriend etc.

>>85829363
holy fvcking zased TFD

>>85830099
Ghosting is the clearest sign of rejection, it shuts the door. You want a girl to be like "Sorry, I don't like you that way. Let's end things?". How is that better.

>>85829268
Trauma from getting pumped and dumped by Chad, that they project onto all men.

>>85830236
What you're saying is that this little nigger here >>85828291
Who was not ghosted but continued being friends with her (which naturally evolved into something bigger) deserves love, but no one else does.

That's what you're saying.

File: 1790819024181043.png (870 KB, 979x732)

870 KB PNG

>>85830099
Nigga have some accountability. You're acting like a woman yourself. Learn from your mistakes and when a woman gets distant or ghosts you, move on. You have autonomy in this situation, you can just tell her "go fuck yourself" and move onto the next girl. But noooo, you must get emotional about it, and give her more attention and effort that you disguise as hatred. The opposite of love isn't hate, it's indifference. You stupid fucking retard. You could literally be talking to another girl within a week of being ghosted if you go out regularly enough, and spinning the wheel of chance that maybe this one might be reasonable and like you back, but you'd rather waste that time wallowing in self pity over some stupid whore not wanting you.

Stupid fucking retard nigger. Kill yourself.

>>85830259
I don't know how it's hard for women to wrap their head around that guys want to still be friends with them. Not necessarily with intentions of fucking them, but because having female friends makes it easier to find a partner, either through her or other means. Also, every man needs sex in some way to be fulfilled in life, not just your abusive boyfriend.

>>85830259
do you think that guy has a bbc and that's why she's into him??

>>85824648
They are not getting the best deal is why.

File: 1764389696600582.gif (8 KB, 305x441)

8 KB GIF

>>85830268
>I don't know how it's hard for women to wrap their head around that guys want to still be friends with them
I thought this was the incel board? Did I accidentally get on reddit? No, I don't want female friends, wtf
>having female friends makes it easier to find a partner, either through her or other means
Genuinely not true. Spending time with a woman who has rejected you has the opportunity cost of not spending time with a woman who might not reject you. Every single second you spend talkign to a woman who doesn't want you is a waste of time. It is not more time efficient than simply meeting new women through other means. Maybe dating apps, some other online thing, hobby groups, bars, who fucking cares. Your time could be even better spent on improving yourself, exercising, meal prepping, skill development, working extra shifts, even reading a book on social skills. Anything is better than talking to an unavailable woman. Your strategy of trying to find a soulmate through "friends of friends" is too time consuming and inconsistent to be worthwhile.

>>85830271
Even if his cock is hypothetically enormous, which let's be frank, it likely ain't all that, it does not excuse literally getting special treatment by staying in the friendzone after multiple rejections. There may be ugly incels, but I can guarantee most of us who have been brutally ghosted and friendzoned by women do not look anywhere near as bad. His genitals do not make up for what he looks like, and there is also no match in lifestyle (she does yoga, while he can barely walk straight since he's a cripple). Their niche is selling "love is blind" nonsense but the TikTok itself is a display of the most vile form of attention-seeking woman, the kind willing to do and say anything to get eyes and comments on her, and their hypocrisy from all the celebratory comments in full display. What she sees in him is literally the attention she gets from being with him.

>>85824648
We all know why: if the woman was attracted to you, you wouldn't be her friend, you would be her lover (because if she already likes you enough to spend time with you and has fun being with you, the only thing missing is the tingling in her pussy).

But from a male perspective, as one that was one of those pathetic cunts: it's bad for the heart.
A man isn't supposed to spend time with a woman who he has feelings for and knowing that another dude is plowing her (or maybe several dudes if you are unlucky). It will make you develop a nasty perspective of yourself and, eventually, of her.

women's attraction is front loaded

they are DERETSUN

if you try to be a friend or if she decides you are a friend you're not suddenly gonna become her lover in the future lol

>>85830286
The thing is, you and I have different definitions of a female friend. A female friend lets me have sex with her, we are "friends with benefits". She does not need to be my gf nor have desire for it. I'm not wasting my time, because a real female friend has my back and lets me know what other women like. I have had several real female friends/potential lovers in my life. A female friend does not shy about talking about sex, or fetishes. Every other woman is a fake friend.

>>85830264
You're right. I could talk to the stranger next door, or the mid/ugly girl showing affection for me and wetting her pussy every time she sees me. I could start over even. Or I could just hold the cunt that made me spend months on her with her fake smiles, pretense of friendship, and leeching emotional support off of me accountable. There's no better way than succeeding, winning at life, getting a hotter girl (not just any girl), channeling that energy/hatred into the gym, etc... and then rubbing it in her face. You think because I come here and shitpost it's all I do? Kek. What I do know is she's way behind me now. Oh, and I don't trust any bitch I end up with, can't get too close.

... Coping with other lesser women is what simps and pussies do. You won't own a girl by getting an uglier one than her, and you're communicating to her that you're truly not worth it. Thus, it's a Chad move to be angry and pissed when you can't get a bitch. It is defeat, and it's better to be a sore loser. Since you posted an anime screen cap, here's one for you, absorb its philosophy and what it teaches throughout
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lNf1lv3Y8ys

>>85829382
>he just got sad that I "had such little self respect" and also said that it was "problematic" of me not standing with other women on this "issue"
What a sad fucking cuckold lmao. Feminist brainwashing castrated him from the inside. Actually very grim.

>>85829958
>I dated my male friend which was initially platonic
I dated a male friend I found sexually attractive. When my unattractive friend asked me out, I felt disgusted he believed I was near HIS caste level.
Fixed that for you, whore.

File: 1761739153221917.jpg (86 KB, 405x720)

86 KB JPG

>>85830337
Okay, I retract my statement anon. You're not just a simp faggot being exploited. I think casual sex is bad and a waste of time (the only reason to be around women is for the purpose of either trying to find or currently engaging in a lifelong partnership, everything else is worthless to me and I have better shit to do, including jerking off), but if it brings you fulfillment it's your life. Keep it up brother

>>85831024
Castes are a real thing though, retard. Ugly men have way too many options and they deserve less

File: 1788088195711055.jpg (296 KB, 1024x1516)

296 KB JPG

>>85830412
God this post is so pathetic it hurts. You're so obsessed with this whore who broke your heart it's crazy.

I also never got the /r9k/ obsession with looks either. A 6/10 who gives you enthusiastic sex daily is infinitely better than a 9/10 who fucks you once a week, or god forbid less. The most valuable traits in a woman are purity (you're her first), how much she likes you (loyalty), and how much sex she is giving you, in that order. Then whether she's mentally ill or sane. Then whether she's financially literate (not rich and this has nothing to do with her job, just not a subhuman obsessed with spending on bullshit and credit card broke) or will leave you broke. And then and only then do things like looks even start to matter.

Go for the retarded giga stacy 9/10 so you can stick it up to the girl who rejected you and is already bouncing on another guy's dick without even thinking about you. You'll own her for sure. Moving on and getting with a cute mid who'll worship you is cope. You fucking retard.

>>85831075
Nobody truly wants a sub9 woman. The best looking women are so much more attractive than everything else that its just not worth it to give a shit about the others

File: 1788845204330599.jpg (169 KB, 640x480)

169 KB JPG

>>85831096
No, I genuinely think you need to get your testosterone checked because it seems you don't desire women enough. I would gladly give up looks points for a higher quantity of sex, higher loyalty, and virginity. It's a trade off and I'm treating it as such but it's always worth it, it's not even a debate to me. Maybe if we get down to 3/10s or below it starts to matter, but I genuinely find most women hot and fuckable.

I actually notice this thing with zoomers often. You guys treat women as a status symbol. You want to get with a 9/10 to feel accomplished and to signal status to others, such as that girl who rejected you (which at this point I understand why, you're a pathetic low test faggot anon). You don't even seem to care about fucking the girl particularly much.

Do you ever wonder why hoeflation even exists? Because Chads sleep with 6/10 and below women. Why do they do that? Because sex is sex and they're all High T and healthy men just want consistent sex, looks really don't matter. Even Chads genuinely don't desire or go for 9/10s, it's a waste of time pursuing them.

Your smugness seems to imply to me that you think yourself a catch, and that you have life and women figured out. You are not Chad anon. You're a pathetic low T faggot obsessed with looks as a status symbol that can't get over some whore rejecting him. Get over yourself and go hit the gym. Stop thinking about the girl who rejected you, and go pursue a cute mid who'll like you back. Take my advice or drown. I have no stake in your situation and you're insufferable so I want you to fail, but you have been warned.

>>85831137
>I would gladly
no you wouldnt. you might reluctantly do it out of desperation, but every man including you is still mostly focused on and fantasizing about the 9/10. that's just how our brains work

>>85831160
Are you falseflagging? You really think there isn't a single man that would choose quantity of sex with a cute mid rather than a dead bedroom with a giga stacy?

Didn't Ethan Klein do that recently? Pretty big case. Ruined his entire career and marriage with children just because a woman uglier than his wife pursued him and was actually enthusiastically offering him lots of sex. Just shows what the male sex drive actually looks like, not your neutered version of it

>>85831171
have you had sex before? jacking off to stacy is nicer than pumping a "cute mid" you peak retarded queer.

you can fall in love with women for other reasons and while that fresh love lasts then yeah it will make you ignore all the superficial shit that stacy has, and sex with someone you grow that kind of love with will be more comfy and fulfilling. but you're still going to be in utter awe over stacy, especially after a few years. you didn't want your wife/gf at first, but at least she's available. most guys even admit to thinking of stacy while they are fucking their sub9 women.

>>85831191
What fucking reality are you living in. I have never ever seen this. Men just love sex. With a cute mid or a giga stacy. If I just came in a cute mid I wouldn't even notice a hotter woman on the street. There is no awe or care. Something's seriously wrong with you and your sex drive.

>>85831191
>>85831212
>jacking off to stacy is nicer than pumping
Way to out yourself btw, you don't even like sex. Go jerk off to porn then. But I'm the queer. Lmfao

>>85831212
>Men just love sex
with stacy yeah. otherwise its a dead bedroom

>>85831212
If I just worked 10 hours in a coal mine, I wouldn't even notice a billionaire enjoying his time on a yacht either. Something is seriously wrong with the men who feel envy or lust bro, they need to repent.

>>85831255
>Comparing passionate sex with a cute mid to working 10 hours in a coal mine
You're genuinely gay. A homosexual. There is no other explanation.

>>85831272
>it doesn't matter who i have sex with bro trust me.
ts was not tuff, lil bro.

>>85824648
It's actually insane how many men are not tapped in to sub-8 theory because it's literally the only framework you need to navigate the world. Is it okay to confess feelings for a friend? If you're Chad, then yes it's okay, otherwise no. Is it okay to talk to a woman at the gym or the store? If you're Chad, then yes it's okay, otherwise no. Is it okay to do literally anything? If you're sub-8, don't even think about it.

>>85831409
Most men don't even think about it. If you are sub8 that usually means you have a low IQ as well.

>>85828791
why do these type of pawg but average in the face girls have an aversion to asian men?

>>85824685
so you're admitting that women are entirely incapable of developing romantic attraction to a man based on qualities other than immutable grug traits?

File: HIjqSNxawAAMajj.jpg (64 KB, 675x869)

64 KB JPG

>>85824685
>>85824685
Okay, yeah, but the caveat to this is that they do not ANNOUNCE to you that they made that mental "I would fuck this guy" calculation in polite company, or at fucking all. You only get to hear that "I knew the instant you sat down across from me in first period I was hot for you" story either
1. when she is already actively fucking you, OR
2. long after anyone could do anything about it
Absent a hamfisted fucking "ay babe u want sum fucc" cold approach, how are men supposed to know except by getting to know them organically? And if trying to make a move on someone you've gotten to know organically is somehow a betrayal, then what's left?
>the friendship is dead
You mean you stop receiving the kind of special attention due a potential love interest and maybe he even gives it to someone else. The false hope and stringing-along are real things women do to guys they know are crushing on them, and the illusion that they maybe, forlornly, one day have a shot is a deliberately curated fiction as much as any other.
So forgive men for being a little fucking confused by all this. It'd be one thing if we were all just too dumb or egocentric to get the truth of you bitches, but the fact of the matter is that the confusion is built-in to how you treat us and is a vehicle to arriving at specific benefits you receive from dudes who have zero shot.
AND JUST SO WE'RE FUCKING CLEAR, I don't even disagree with the notion that you know on-sight whether given men even have a chance. It's just that for some fucked-up reason they only ever bother to tell you that *ON* a fucking date or in the middle of sex or multiple years after you fucking marry them.
Like, come on.

>>85824685
>plus the simp cucking is dead and gone
F-F-F-fixed!

>>85831721
i want to have a conversation to her just to look at her eyes.

>>85827956
she is literally describing limerence as if it's her own profound way of magnetizing an ideal bf that "the universe" or some bullshit had planned for her.
She is so close to recognizing that it's her own retarded ass pattern of being attracted to men who share or reflect familiar trauma but she's mistaking her pattern of choosing shitty partners with destined romance.

>>85824648
It's because to a guy, there is no better combination than the person you hang out with and love the company of to also be who you have sex with, but to women that is too close for comfort. Closeness for men is the biggest turn on, but distance for women is their biggest turn on. Same bs why if you want a woman to like you then you ignore her, but if you ignore your male buddy he may not publicly say it but he cried a little by himself. Conversely, it's why over time a lot of guys just end up fapping or full on agp-erp'ing with each other when virtual buddies and male-looks are removed from the equation, but women would literally never with other women unless if lesbian. Hear of prison gay all the time with virtual guys, but when is the last time you ever heard the same for women who weren't proud lesbians already? Even from femcels who are virgins and aren't just dating irl for her needs. The friend-sex connection just doesn't click for them, even here they consider it as a male dating strategy and not just maybe the only thing better than sex to a male is having sex with a friend and the only thing better than a friend is a friend you also have sex with, it's a female meme that there has to be a barrier between friend and lover.

File: hatsune-miku-thinking-258(...).gif (3.96 MB, 369x374)

3.96 MB GIF

>>85826383
I'm not going to bother wading in to the culture war zoomenwaffen puritanism of their weird sexual-lives, but for me falling in love with my best friend (and her for me) was the best thing that happened between the both of us. This was 20 years ago though, so no idea why things have shifted so dramatically (outside the obvious culture war and social media, etc.)

Every foid is evil.
>>85828291
https://www.tiktok.com/@anitawinglee
This relationship proves that it's not necessarily that women are sexually repulsed or couldn't even bring themselves to date you and have sex with you. It's simply that women have decided in their minds that you're a loser, unworthy and undeserving of love. That's why they feel insulted by a guy confessing to them. The irony is that they make exceptions for cripples like this guy

>>85830069
You would think that after getting to know a woman for months or a long time, you at least are friends. You expect at least some acknowledge that you are friends, but doing common courtesy of letting you know that they're not into you, or perhaps some statement of pity from them and that they're willing to help you find a partner (even if not true). That helps, it softens the blow. Instead, what most guys get from women is pure ghosting. That helps nobody, it tells the guy that you see him as no different from a complete stranger instead of a friend (in other words, you were never a real friend to begin with). It's not about not being able to get with her. It's about being a decent human being and acknowledging that the "friend" you were talking also has sexual desires, like everybody else. By not allowing that friend the autonomy, instead of ghosting him (which is about on the same wavelength as ridiculing him), what you're instead communicating is that you never even saw them as a human being. Thus, I consider ghosting to be much more provocative and insulting than a rejection. A rejection is merciful, a light punch you can bounce back from. Ghosting is telling the other person that you wouldn't care if they were to die. When it comes from strangers or random girls on Tinder, it's not a big deal. I would agree with you then. But when it comes from girls you build relationships with for months, girls you know personally... It's different. It's completely cold, lacks emotions, and requires some form of sociopathy and narcissism.

>>85833667
>but doing common courtesy of letting you know that they're not into you
by* doing

>>85833667
You may say it's "pussy shit" or whatever to care about this. But it's not really pussy shit when you know the vast majority of guys women trust very well would get a rejection, while only guys they don't trust they would not even bother giving them. When you a woman zero reasons to distrust you, and in fact you made her laugh or were there for her during hard times, that's when it gets to you.

>>85833667
>>85833679
>>85833729
Sorry anon, I retract my statement. In my mind "rejection" and "ghosting" were completely equal since the end result is the same. I wasn't thinking that someone might be attached to the girl and need closure and some compassion. It's perfectly valid to see it as evil in that case. I'm a bit cold and can get over rejection quickly regardless of how it's done, in fact I basically force myself to completely detach and not care.

If anything, maybe I'm evil, because I'm the type to ghost - I don't want you in my life anymore, you provide no value to me, so I just get out as quickly as possible so I can move on. At most it's a single message to make it as straightforward as possible - "I'm ending things. To make it easier for me to move on, I'm blocking you on everything. Don't conctact me again." I'm a bit too used to cutting contact at this point. You're right, it is evil.

>go out with girl
>several dates
>teeheehee I still haven't got over my ex guess we can't be a couple anon
>next day she still wants to have her smoke breaks with me

I DO NOT GET WOMEN

>>85833817
attention to women is what sex is to men. men try to get free sex, of course women try to get free attention similarly.

>>85827956
It's the opposite for men though. You hang around a girl long enough, you'll develop a spark.

>>85828066
>Do they just like wasting people's time?
Unironically, yes.

>>85833829
both can happen to both i think. plenty of women have at least once experienced slowly developing a crush on someone you didn't even think about at the start.

>>85833817
I talked to a girl who said she enjoys having some guys wrapped around her finger, it was the most retarded shit ive ever heard but it could explain why theres stupid shit to deal with, when the answer is clear as fucking day

>>85828053
>The only time a woman will show an interest in a childhood friend is when he starts talking to other girls and tries to break away from being her eternal orbiter. Then and only then will she give him hope in an attempt to pull him back into her orbit.
It's a trick though. She's not really interested in him. She just wants him to continue giving her free attention with no reciprocation.

>>85833845
>both can happen to both i think. plenty of women have at least once experienced slowly developing a crush on someone you didn't even think about at the start.
Not on a friend they didn't. Maybe some stranger they saw walking around. My mom named me after some guy she didn't even know that she saw when she was on a trip. She only knew his name because she overheard someone talking to him.

If anything a girl will get a crush on one of her friends' boyfriends, because the fact that her friend is with the guy is a stamp of approval. The sister of my last gf was apparently into me and she was already seeing someone who was way more successful and normal than me. Women just want shit because somebody else has it.