>>85834579
>the most consistent factor that determines whether a country has low fertility is female education(the higher the education, the lower the fertility)
>higher income in women is correlated with lower fertility
>oh I know, the solution is to redistribute even more income from men to women

Those 'academics' are really going full retard

>>85834608
All those transfers of money currently are indirectly, like education, DEI, being allowed to work in the first place despite not contributing financially to the productive economy, etc. What hasn't been explicitly tried yet is simply taking money from men and simply giving it to women, and on top of that state-funded artificial insemination programs. As far as I understand their arguments, that is what they're arguing for as a potential solution.

Obviously, that's not going to work. Japan, China and South Korea are about 10-15 years ahead of the West, and they are not doing any of this. Instead, it's just a slow decline into the loneliness economy with no solution in sight.

Liberalism is satanic

>>85834579
so the best the academics can come up with for the fertility crisis are
>1. Marginalize women again by ending government redistribution to them from men
>2. Marginalize men more by increasing government redistribution to them from men so they can afford single motherhood


really got the best and the brightest in academia

Stop hiring women and end women's education at 14. Marriage by 15. Enforce monogamy and marriage vows by law.

>>85834740
Let me pose this question to you (I presume you are a female):

1:
Would you prefer to continue hooking up with Chad until your 30s, only to then either 1A) Settle down with a loser you find absolutely disgusting and try to stop yourself from vomiting by letting him impregnate you, or 1B) Spend the rest of your days alone and childless?

2:
Lose your economic freedom, find what previously would've been considered a non-Chad sexually attractive, and settle down with him - but you become completely economically dependent on him, with significant risk to your well-being if you were to ever lose access to his resources?

>>85834752
I agree, but that's not going to happen.

>A viable means for aiding the survival of low-fertility nations could be to provide women with the economic and social resources necessary for them to conclude that having children alone makes for a better life than remaining childless. Such policies would likely exacerbate male marginalization

So the idea is to turn everyone in an American nigger. How would this work long-term? With the state itself directly competing with men for mates, where would the surplus wealth come from? What incentive would a man have to work, to pay taxes? Do they really think that an economy that consists of women bribing themselves to have children, could sustain itself?

>>85834740
how do you feel about the idea of being forced to acrue massive debts and having to work a soul crushing offoce ob instead of being able to just marry a guy who earns enough to support you and your five children?

>>85834822
>>85834757
w-what did i say that makes everyone think i'm a foid?

>>85834579
>could
weasel words should be punishable by birchings like they were in the past

>>85834740
>>1. Marginalize women again by ending government redistribution to them from men
Interesting that you'd consider this as marginalization

>taking money from men and giving it to women
We already do that, it is called family courts and dating

>>85834579
People are not having kids because shit is too expensive and the future is bleak thanks to right-wingers messing everything up per usual.

It has nothing to do with male-female relations, people had kids when women and men were even more divided and hated eachother in the past

>>85834860
>It has nothing to do with male-female relations
lol

>>85834857
>We already do that, it is called family courts and dating
Yeah, but that means they're avoidable costs. They don't like that

>>85834857
>>85834874
The endgame for women is being able to take your money WITHOUT having to touch your penis

>>85834874
Killing all women would be a smart move for the economy

>>85834860
Every part of the past, other than the last fifty years, was far worse than now, and that didn't stop anyone from fucking more kids into the world.

>>85834818
Their "solution" in the paper is just lie to men that MAYBE something like the artificial womb might exist in the future boyim, even though it's been "just around the corner" for like 30 years, so keep your nose to the grindstone.

>>85834860
Yeah bro it's just le right wingers who turned our countries into dangerous niggerzones but also the bourgeoise retard leftoid activists who died fucking with ICE are righteous

>>85834860
One of the main reason nobody has money is because the left added women and unlimited immigrants into the workforce, don't blame us faggot

>>85834579
yeah i read this when it came out. it basically spends 90% of the paper showing how the data shows misogynist incel blackpillers are right and the sexual revolution and womens rights are the cause of low fertility... and then without any reasoning on the last pages it says "we suggest that we should continue with these policies" lmao. because if they concluded with "the sexual revolution must be reversed if things are to improve" they wouldnt get posted anywhere, since thats how these journals work

t. scientist (trust the experts)

Broke: figure out what's driven men and women apart and fix it
Woke: assume that liberalism has produced the best of all possible worlds and only incel chuds disagree, and as such that the contradiction between women wanting children yet feeling like they can't find adequate partners is actually some revealed preference for a perfectly atomized single mother-ocracy which we should enable by turkey basting jizz into their pussies while continuing to drive everyone apart like the sociological equivalent of the Big Rip

Makes sense, men are shit and don't look like improving anytime soon

>>85834850
I'm just saying that's how it would play politically. Women are in society now, taking away what allows them to be in society in this capacity in marginalizing them. Like the other anon says we'd be taking away a nice thing they enjoy because it has a consequence that is good for them but bad for society, but women will say why should women eat a loss when we could make men eat the loss more?

>>85835039
>but women will say why should women eat a loss when we could make men eat the loss more?
That's true. We're men, we're supposed to be strong. When you're marginalized, you don't piss and moan. You swallow it whole and say "thank you sir".

The solution to the fertility crisis is easy but everybody is afraid to say it.

Stop this clown joke called "female right to vote", fake jobs and social redistribution.
Once that happens, world will return to its natural balance.

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>>85835039
>If you stop putting jews in the oven, you'd be oppressing the Third Reich! You can't just take away what's good for them without marginalizing Germans.

Oh by the way holocaust didn't happen, but I am just bringing it up so your retarded reddit brain can understand.

>>85835047
atlas won't shrug. who is john galt?

>>85834860
>women and men were even more divided and hated eachother in the past
Genuinely curious about actual time period when this was the case. Cause I can't think of any. Unless you mean times when women were forced to marry and have sex with men they found unattractive?

>>85834952
>cheaper labor made the corporation increase prices on everything goyim

>>85835199
12 years of 0% fed rates caused all of the inflation we're experiencing now. The system fell apart in 2008 and they've been softening the blow by dragging the consequences out over decades to buy the people responsible time to pass power off and die. The labor market is also a problem but it's a different problem. In theory adding women to the workforce means that 2 income families compete in the same job market as 1 income families, and so wages will stagnate to the level that will allow a 2 income family to survive but not a 1 income family. Add to that paradigm the 2008 financial crisis and its consequences, a 1 income, single person household can barely survive, so even combining to a 2 income household seems like an unattractive offer and then having children is just off the table.

>>85835160
>Stop this clown joke called "female right
This.

>>85834579
>>85834633
The solution is to kick out the niggers and let the population decline. As it becomes less crowded in the future, it will be more affordable for the ones who want to to have 4+ kids which will stabilise the birth rate.
>b-but muh GDP! But how will we keep taxing the struggling youth to give pensions to the richest generation in history! What about my stock prices and real estate investments?
Get in the oven.

>>85835199
I am labor retard. Obviously I don't want labor to be cheaper.

>>85835940
>>85834952
>>85834912
Exhibit A: Chud incels cannot hold themselves accountable and must deflect everything to immigrants or non-whites. This mentality leaks into right wing politics who then mess everything up for everyone.

Then ontop of that imagine being ugly as hell, retarded, broke and mentally insane? This is why women are not having kids(With you), it is better for most women to simply not reproduce than to bare living with such males or continuing their bloodlines.

>>85835961
We are objectively right operating off basic economic principles and you should kill yourself immediately.

isn't that Larsen guy a massive meme? i remember a few years ago a study by him (or maybe someone else) was being astroturfed here and it would be posted every week

>>85834579
>tldr hypergamy is totally gonna solve our problems look at our study goyim

Only a fucking retard or Jew could suggest something so destructive, we already see the train wreck of single moms and whores riding the chad cock carousel.

>>85835961
>low crime, rape and high social cohesion before mass immigration
Foid scientist here seems to be unable to connect the dots

>>85835970
>>85836004
the average woman has more to gain from dating an immigrant than a white incel. most immigrants are educated, earn more, have lower obesity rates, more testosterone etc.

you are economic and genetic deadweight and only believe otherwise because you are white

>>85836028
Yet they dont, you stupid cunt

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>putting our thumb on the scale to give women more power and disempower men has cratered our birth rates
>how do we fix this??
>hmmm, maybe giving women more power and disempowering men some more?
>brilliant

>>85836028
One of the primary benefits of your being here from the perspective of the elite is your proclivity towards mindlessly supporting the status quo (wherein everything gradually gets worse for everyone but the elite). As any number of centrist status quo supporters are fond of pointing out broadly speaking the only ones actually trying to change (fix) things, whether on the left or right, are whites. Nons act as ballast to keep things the way they are since their racial resentment is redirected towards supporting the system which they perceive as extracting resources from whites (whether in the form of territory, jobs, welfare, women, cultural prestige, or elsewise) and redirecting them towards them, which they're eager to keep going for as long as possible (as the elites re-enserf everyone)

>>85835160
I had a conversation with Google's AI about hypergamy. And I wasn't chudding out, genuinely. What I was curious about was simply if Western governments:
>Acknowledge the issue
>Are even aware of its existence
>Think about it in the terms that we are thinking about it
The sad reality of the situation is that the political leadership of Western countries are not incentivized to acknowledge the issue or think about it in the terms that we do, because they are controlled by such corporations and elites that stand to benefit from the further atomization of humanity.

One interesting thing that I hadn't thought about going into that conversation, which the AI brought up, was the fact that East Asian countries are not just technologically ~10 years ahead of the West, but also socially. So I spent a lot of time diving into what the future looks like by researching them.

China, Japan and South Korea are all currently going through the conclusion of the peak hypergamy era. The vast majority of young women have had sex with a tiny elite of men, the vast majority of young men are completely disenfranchised incels, a significant portion of them outright virgins, with no prospects of a stable career with good income. And the outcome of all of this is not an incel revolution, nor any sort of collapse. It's a quiet slipping into low-maintenance mode by both young men and young women, with no hope for reconciliation between the two sexes for one, perhaps two, generations. Young women are still to some degree hooking up with a tiny fraction of elite men, but orders of magnitude less than the early 2020s.

Modeling the future out for the West requires taking into account some additional variables, the most important and relevant of which is mass immigration. East Asian societies are trying to tackle the coming demographic collapse through a "tough it out" approach.

1/2

>>85837007
>I had a conversation with Google's AI
Fuckin' kill yourself, my man.

>>85835160
>>85837007
They'll accept economic contraction, and will try to maintain stability and continuity of their peoples and systems of governance.

The West, on the other hand, is already well on its way to ethnically replace their own native populations, and a natural knee-jerk reaction to the incoming demographic collapse is to double down on immigration. A lot of Western governments are pretending to cut back on immigration right now, while secretly striking deals with India to facilitate mass immigration of young Indians into Europe. Most people are not aware of this, but research the topic and you'll find that in short order, we'll have tens of millions of Indians immigrating into Europe on a yearly basis, spread across the entire continent. The same goes for the U.S.

So the West's approach is very different from the East. The West will try to prop up pensions and the economy with immigration, while the East will accept economic contraction.

All of this to say, ultimately, that I believe the world will end in nuclear holocaust because at some point, Western countries will simply become too destabilized as the White race becomes an insignificant minority due to demographic collapse, and 90%+ of the populations of the West will consist of hundreds of different non-White ethnicities, all violently competing for lordship over the ruins of White civilization.

How can nuclear stockpiles be safely maintained and defended in circumstances like that? By arabs, africans and others with tribal allegiances? No way, at some point, someone will break.

And then the future of humanity will be decided: Will a contracting China decide to wipe out the entire Western world with a colossal first-strike? Or gamble the future of humanity by hoping that the competing non-White tribes across the U.S and Europe will not get their brown little hands on the nukes and just wildly launch them across the entire planet?

2/2

>>85837018
Anti-AI luddites should immediately commit suicide, preferably in the most painful way possible.

>>85837018
>Fuckin'
LARP

>>85834579
won't solve fertility but they'll do it anyway to make life worse for men

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>>85834579
I'd love to have children on this conditions. It's not even that I hate men/can't find anyone tolerable but that it's generally hard to support them and keep them running (partially why sexual revolution didn't lead to normalized polygamy). You have to constantly talk, control them in some ways and you can pretty much never be confident in another person because surprise surprise they are not you and have their own motivations. It's also humiliating to raise a guy's child after he wronged you/dumped you and I think that's one of the reasons why motherhood can't be portrayed as "cool" in the media. Everyone sees that settling down is past-prime lifestyle for women, that females get the best treatment when men initially try to impress/court them, that husbands see their wives as "owned" by them especially after they knock them up.

Ever since redpill rhethoric has been going mainstream, some of the influencers were trying to push the idea that being the wife is the budge of honor and someone special to men. I won't argue that in early redpill the rhetoric was relevant and it was eye opening to destroy the illusion of the promised perfect wife many boys fantasize about. But is the wife fantasy relevant to men after adolescence and early adulthood on mass (consider that guy's who are drawn to manosphere are maladjusted and stuck in that age)? Do we see da special treatment wives get irl? Or would most men ditch their wife at the first chance/miss their exes

>>85837075
I won't argue against the fact that*

>>85837075
it won't happen in the near future tho. will you settle down or..

>>85836028
>most immigrants are educated, earn more, have lower obesity rates, more testosterone etc.
lol no

>>85834579
Make immigration to the west female only. Import nothing but single, childless,, fertile women.

>>85837075
fucking hell, the entitlement on this bitch...

>>85837115
I want to get pregnant from donor sperm and raise the kid with my best friend. We've been living together for 5 years and have been friends for 20, own property together. We constantly discuss it too and there are many things like our parents' involvement that make us functionally closer to an actual marriage than many real marriages.

>>85837167
Aren't you afraid that your bestie could leave you for a man

>>85837199
Meh i guess people will always choose the most socially acceptable way but we are so intervened on every simgle level it'd be as hard for her to leave as an actual divorce so there's noisy she isn't mentally involved. She had only 1 bf through all those years and broke up with him after 4 months

>>85834757
I prefer the option 1B). I don't want children at all. I like working and I can do the things I like alone. Also old moids are horny too and I know some grandmas have bfs so I don't think that would be an issue kek

>>85837296
Well that settles it then, at least in this one anecdotal example. Out of the three options, you prefer being alone and childless because you think your work and hobbies will be sufficient.

Just so I can understand you better, are you genuinely convinced that those things mentioned above will sufficiently satisfy the meaning in life for you? What are some examples of things you like to do that you would like to continue doing into your 40s, 50s, and 60s?

>>85834579
If life becomes significantly worse for low tier men, I become a terrorist (in Minecraft). And I doubt I will be the only one.

>>85837706
Research into how men are reacting to these developments in Japan, China and South Korea do not indicate that men will be reacting violently. Although we can't say for certain that men will react the same in the West as in East Asia.

>>85837710
Well Japan, China, and South Korea have not tried to literally take men's money to finance single mothers like the article is suggesting

If we're just talking about lonely/sexless men then yeah, I doubt men will react violently too. 60% of men under 30 who have the most testosterone to be violent are already sexless and nothing has happened.

>>85834579
That article was extremely blackpilled. The title and solution proposed was just to cover their asses.

Obviously the natural conclusion is instead of stealing money from men to finance single mothers, we increase men's utility to women by giving men the social and economic reasources to justify their place in women's lives. Having a kid is much easier with two people.

As we speak, young women are doing much better than young men socially and economically, and the men they're getting with, if at all, are in their 40s, from a generation before men were rendered unsuccessful by our society.

There's no future in young men, but there would be if we let them have one. If there was just ONE stable path to success and status as a male, it would be fine. Men would do it. We'd go back to the 2010s when women were extremely annoying and Nietzchian about feminism but it ultimately didn't mean the death of society and relationships. Ultimately, as usual, it comes back to the Boomers burying themselves with their wealth and activists harvesting from the community and social fabric we all depend on until it rips.

>>85837861
Who said increased marriage rates would lead to more children? Having children is an economical net negative. If having children was so beneficial women would lining up to get married even to a loser because the opportunity for parenthood provided would outweigh the icks

>>85834579
>The cross-national correlation between gender equality and lower fertility is exceptionally strong (r-0.81)
What if we turned that minus into plus, seems like a simple solution

>>85834579
finally someone with an actual solution
Literally just deliver single motherhood as a strong independent woman who needs no man fantasy and it will be welcome

>>85837881
you are making the same economists did, in assuming that people are all rational actors. people are semi rational actors.

>>85837775
So? What they should care about is birth rates and they will be investing for their own retirement

>>85837913
East Asian men aren't as cucked as western men. I highly doubt their governments would be able to sell them this kind of idea. On the contrary, the Chinese have passed laws that make it harder for wives to divorce-rape their husbands(whoever paid for an asset keeps it, even if both names appear on the title). Korean men are also doubling down on conservatism, there's no way in hell they'd entertain the idea.

White men just might because we're pussy-whipped though.

>>85837894
The correlation is in those states being middle/high-income countries. India is also below replacement, soon Bangladesh will be too. Iran, Turkey, Phillipines are all below replacement too. It's collapsing for Saudi Arabia too. You need to be in a country poorer than India for having children to be a desirable option.

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>>85834633
>ahead of the west
Get better bait, child.
>>85834860
At least make your bait believable. There has never been a point in time where the two sexes were more divided. Even when they destroyed the Greek city states and Rome they were more united and happy with each other.

>>85834579
Yeah, so basically brave new world bullshit but with vaginas in it. Women get to shit out kids while not taking care of them, getting free money and getting drunk and gangbanged, is this what they mean? Because thats exactly what is happening nowadays. Ive seen some abysmal shit on dating apps for quite some time.

>>85837990
>Get better bait, child.
What do you mean? Japan, China and South Korea are all more technologically advanced than all Western countries.

>>85838119
Sure, child. That's why "advanced" Chinese products are of such poor quality, right? Like I said, get better bait.

>>85835961
Whatever the fuck we say you will call us far right wing extremists and nazis. So we are going balls deep and blaming the actual people to blame: niggers and women. No more softening the blow anymore because that only brings more bitching and nagging, the cat is out of the hat. If you are a whore you are a whore, and you are one, and yes, inmigrants are a fucking dead weight to society and they are criminals. Retards like you say "its all ways men!", but you dont seem to notice than most of the time "its a fucking muslim or nigger". Go fuck yourself, retard.

>>85838180
Oh, you're a MIGA cultist. Got it.

>>85834579
Kek. You're asking feminist women to have accountability?

>>85835992
Man, shit must be tough when chad is fucking single moms. Just nuke us.

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>>85834579
>A viable means for aiding the survival of low-fertility nations could be to provide women with the economic and social resources necessary for them to conclude that having children alone makes for a better life than remaining childless.
pay more in taxes so roastie can raise chad's offspring alone, kek

The responses to this thread basically
>there is no way a solution to a problem could ever be unpleasant to me!!!!
>huh foids are so irrational

>>85838232
If you notice chinese escalators eating people you are JEWISH. Asians are SUPERIOR gweilo

>>85837020
Pajeets and other thirdies are net drains though, they don't prop anything up. It's just jewish social engineering / genocide

>>85834579
>Personally, I think Western governments are just gonna double down on immigration. What do you think?

Pretty much. This is an economic bonus as well. On one hand it solves feminism because feminists aren't going to hold non-whites to the same standard and on the other hand thirdies aren't going to complain about shitty work or living standards. Thirdies are okay with living with their parents or 5 roommates in a 2 bedroom and feminists will still fuck them to perform progressivism.

>A viable means for aiding the survival of low-fertility nations could be to provide women with the economic and social resources necessary for them to conclude that having children alone makes for a better life than remaining childless.

They're going with freezing eggs and surrogates. Probably thirdie woman going to bear the burden.

>Such policies would likely exacerbate male marginalization, but new technologies are on the horizon that could offer men reproductive equality.

New tech? Artificial wombs? They'll put women out of business entirely.

>>85835961
It's almost embarrassing that a seething tranny is the best the Israeli-funded discord raid server can afford to get to (((debate))) their policies so poorly.

P.S. Conservatives are the ones having the kids. Leftists are the ones howling because they can't get books about gay anal sex in children's libraries.

>>85834818
>Do they really think that an economy that consists of women bribing themselves to have children, could sustain itself?
These people are literally communists. They think an economy is just going to magically appear.

Friendly reminder that the 'women' you're arguing with here are literally all effeminate, perpetually bored, lifeless men.

>>85835961
>Chud incels cannot hold themselves accountable and must deflect everything to immigrants or non-whites.
Unions have been against scabs since the labor movement began.

>This is why women are not having kids(With you),
Actual right wingers are having kids just fine. Anyone with wealth is able to have kids, if they want, regardless of politics. Meanwhile, pinko commie Starbucks employees who believe everything you say are something you won't touch with a ten foot pole.

>>85835006
>because if they concluded with "the sexual revolution must be reversed if things are to improve" they wouldnt get posted anywhere, since thats how these journals work
>
>t. scientist (trust the experts)

That actually makes sense. Reminds me of something a philosophy professor told me about Descartes. Apparently some people think his argument for the existence of God was weak because he privately didn't hold to the idea, but had to slip it into his writing just so it wouldn't be scandalous.

>>85835024
>Makes sense, men are shit and don't look like improving anytime soon
The most feminized faggiest most left wing men that cling to every single thing feminists say they need to be are still getting rejected by you, while truck driving dude bros who don't give a shit are getting their dicks sucked behind bars. Your point is invalid. If anything, the "worse" men get, the more they are rewarded with pussy.

>>85834579
Having children is just economically unbeneficial. I think if everyone got married ASAP +-the same proportion of people would be childless and just hanging out with their spouse. Though you might argue that some of the forcibly married people might give in and it'd have a good impact on the overall statistic.

I also don't understand why would women want to be single moms on welfare. It's not like they want children so much but men are sooo gross they suppress their desire for a behbeh. If they all wanted to have kids they'd just shit them out from a betabux and tell him to sleep in a separate room

>>85837020
>How can nuclear stockpiles be safely maintained and defended in circumstances like that?
Eh, they're not gonna remember the codes or know how to turn both keys at the same time. They'll just blow each other up with conventional weapons and starve themselves out due to shitty logistics.

>>85834608
If they say the actual solution they'd get crucified by their peers.

>>85837020
>And then the future of humanity will be decided: Will a contracting China decide to wipe out the entire Western world with a colossal first-strike?
Without the first world around to enforce human rights, China doesn't hive a flying fuck about anything. They will be free to colonize the rest of the world, exploit it for resources, blow it up, or completely ignore it while it burns itself to ashes.

>>85836028
>most immigrants are educated, earn more, have lower obesity rates, more testosterone etc.
Objectively untrue. The only reason white women fuck them is for performative virtue signaling reasons. Third world immigrants are more misogynistic than their first world white counterparts by every measure, you just give them a pass because you think they're retarded children.

>>85837023
>Anti-AI luddites should immediately commit suicide, preferably in the most painful way possible.
The Luddites were right from the beginning.

>>85837075
>You have to constantly talk, control them in some ways and you can pretty much never be confident in another person because surprise surprise they are not you and have their own motivations.
You don't actually have to do that, you're just arrogant control freaks.

>>85837881
>Who said increased marriage rates would lead to more children?
Marriage means merged assets and people, which means more reasources to go around, which would lead to children for the same reason just giving more money to women would arguably do so.
>Having children is an economical net negative
That entirely depends on if the economy keeps being shit. If the job market were better, childreb would be a worthwhile investment.
>If having children was so beneficial women would lining up to get married even to a loser because the opportunity for parenthood provided would outweigh the icks
That's why they always settle for a beta guy they can cuck and legally enslave after raping him by way of verbal coercion.

>>85837710
>Research into how men are reacting to these developments in Japan, China and South Korea do not indicate that men will be reacting violently. Although we can't say for certain that men will react the same in the West as in East Asia.
East Asia (so far) has not decided to replace their own men with scabs (except maybe Japan to some extent). The governments of East Asia still wish to keep their national historical uniqueness and not turn their country into an economic zone free for all. Having their own culture and country to hang on to gives men something to cherish, even if they have to do it alone. Take that away and nobody gives a shit about anything. Terrorism however, will only foster more anti-white policies. Which will of course foster more terrorism. But the governments have already done the math and they've already decided that white terrorism is not an existential threat to their status quo.

>>85838075
>Yeah, so basically brave new world bullshit but with vaginas in it. Women get to shit out kids while not taking care of them, getting free money and getting drunk and gangbanged, is this what they mean? Because thats exactly what is happening nowadays. Ive seen some abysmal shit on dating apps for quite some time.
I guess they're imagining something like giant government day care centers manned by mammies and managed by white women, with some sort of backlog of sperm from "high status" men that bossgirls can get themselves impregnated with, whenever they feel like they've Live Laugh Loved enough, in between bukkake sessions.

>>85834608
They could secretly be playing the devil's advocate. This could be reductio ad absurdum, or a 'modest proposal' type of argument. To slip through the censorship.

>sexual revolution causes birthrates to fall
>r9k: "we need to reverse the sexual revolution!!!! surely then all pathetic loser inkwells will get laid!!!"
You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, retards. Women can vote now and culture has changed. The only way most of you faggots would have got laid would have been through arranged marriage and such. Do you really believe that's ever going to come back? Fuck no. Current gen wouldn't even know how. Immigration is the easiest "fix" and is the most likely outcome. MAYBE child subsidies could work but any meaningful subsidy would require massive redistribution from childless people, which is also not happening. And you're staying KHHV either way.

Fundamentally women say they want 2-3 kids on average, but end up having 1.6 on average. So the problem isn't so much that women "don't want kids anymore", it's really that they don't have enough time or money to find a suitable partner and raise them. E.g. many people used to have like 5-8 kids or more; if you only get married at 31 you're not pumping out that many and also having that many would be financial suicide.

Other ideas:
- Gendered immigration. Lower requirements for single women to immigrate. This will lower female SMV, encouraging more/earlier marriages. Single females should also have less integration problems.
- Restrictions on abortion + govt baby dumps. Many kids are aborted these days. Instead of letting them rot in the hands of junkies and single moms, send them to nationalized orphanages to crank out zogbots at the required rate. This wouldn't get any of you clowns laid however.
- Govt arranged marriage program. For those who choose to, government assigns a partner. Govt provides financial benefits of marriage like tax breaks etc. However this would probably leave you with a blue haired hamplanet rather than a qt wasian femchud like in your fantasies.

Moreover people (read: women) would have to vote for all this so none of this is happening.

>>85834579
>to conclude that having children alone makes for a better life than remaining childless.
in.. what world?

>>85839152
no everything was caused by you religious feminist morons that despise new technology and gay people. nice attempt to try to look like the nuanced good guy though

>>85834579
Or we could just take their fucking rights away. That would solve the fertility crisis overnight.

Under the proposed near future of AI fuelled mass redundancy of the workforce, isn't this all unnecessary? Economies will no longer be tied to human reproduction.

If anything is likely under an AI future, it's that most men and elderly women will be killed off and fertile women inseminated by the cadre of epstein elite that command the autonomous killer drones, in return for a modest UBI. It seems to be the barely concealed fetish of the technologist dweebs running these companies.

>>85834752
I couldn't have said it better. And they would genuinely be happier for it

This thread should be enough proof that men don't care about declining birthrates as much as they care about using it as an argument against women's freedom of choice

>>85838630
>P.S. Conservatives are the ones having the kids. Leftists are the ones howling because they can't get books about gay anal sex in children's libraries.
I've heard this before, and I recall looking at figures proving it as well, could you please update us? I want to see if these numbers are up to date, or if they're outdated by this point. Because if those figures are undisputably true, then perhaps the situation is not as blackpilled as it may appear if looked at without context for 'who' is actually reproducing.

>>85838873
They were, had they succeeded perhaps the world would be a better place now. But it's too late for that now, to hold the Luddite position on AI now is just retardation.

>>85839329
True as well.

>>85839476
The value of women's freedom of choice must be weighed against its consequences. Same for men's freedom of choice, for that matter. And both must collectively be weighed against a society's capacity to make rational decisions in their own self-interest.

>>85839476
What solution would you propose in which both sexes get what they want. I will give you a hint. That solution does not exist. The fertility crises is a thing because women can work outside the home, be educated, and select their own mates. The solution is reversing all those things. It is quite simple. Either that or throwing money at technology to create humans without the need for women.

This problem was created by men listening to women.

TOTAL

FOID SUFFRAGE

CANCELLATION

SOOOOON

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>>85839152
>You can't put the toothpaste back in the tube, retards.
You can. See total collapse of the feminism in Afghanistan and Iraq, former IS vassals feminist centrals.
Your brown Palestinian friends you like to import so much will make it happen.

>>85834579
So you are saying gender inequality has exceptionally strong correlation with higher birthrates of 0.81?
I guess we just need to take away all of women's rights and privileges and we'll be back to 4+ fertility rate

>>85839489
>But it's too late for that now, to hold the Luddite position on AI now is just retardation.
On an emerging technology? It's absolutely not too late. Not that I condone anything that isn't happening within the safe fictional confines of a Christian Minecraft server.

>>85839946
You misunderstand me, I am arguing against the Luddite position on AI. I am pro-AI. We are a technological society at this point, there's no turning back time. So why settle for half-assed solutions? AI is an improvement upon the current state of technology.

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>>85839824
Oh I'm sorry, did you mean this Afghanistan? Or was there a different Afghanistan you are referring to? Silencing the 10 radfems or whatever they had pre-2021 has near 0 effect on birthrates (image) or the proliferation of feminist values in general. People there still have phones, internet etc, consume mostly foreign media, and this is only increasing. The talis can barely control the country, you think they can put these ideas back in the box? Your "argument" falls apart even harder for Iraq to the point that it's funny.

>>85840054
No one misunderstood you, it is very clear you are retarded.

Am I the only one seeing feminism in decline? The amount of free shit single mothers got 20 years ago was like a lower middle class lifestyle. Now it's actually pretty fucking hard and women can't bring themselves to leave even abusive relationships due to the risk of poverty.

>>85839482
It's true and edward dutton wrote a full book on it, the past is a future country.

It's even eugenic fertility for religious conservatives while it's dysgenic fertility for progressive secular liberals. The high iq religious conservatives have a lot of children, and very soon the stereotype will reverse and atheism will be associated with stupidity while attending church with status and intelligence.

>>85840139
lol.

The god-botherers will inherit the earth because they're stupid enough to keep having children.

>>85840089
Did you lose your job to an Indian who used AI to replace you?

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>>85840102
I disagree, there's more infrastructure with things like childcare and government jobs for single mothers. It's pretty much a given. A majority of welfare still goes to single mothers and children. For ugly or low IQ women the easiest life choice is to become a single mother at a young age and rely on family, the community, and the government. I'm surprised churches haven't had to shut their doors from trying to triage single mother's bad choices. My own family had a single mother (with a niglet baby) and had to bend over backwards to accommodate the drug addict single mother who constantly needed someone to watch the little guy.

Think about it from a woman's perspective - you can be self-sufficient with the government's help for any reason you can come up with. Have an ugly, stupid, or controlling husband? Just divorce him take his house and a huge portion of his income and get to live alone or try to date someone else, but this time you hold all of the cards. Convince your family to help you out and play the victim so you can get financial and childcare resources. Get treated like a hero by the community and the government because according to them, everything is a man's fault not a woman's. For a lot of women it's highly appealing to live this way, especially if you can get a guy with good genes to cum in you, even if it's behind your husband's back. Thanks to incomplete human genome paternity testing the paternity test will match you with whoever you want the father to be. They simply test a smaller amount of genes if it's a distant match. Back in the day fathers used to get results like 97% paternity which is considered - legally and scientifically - inconclusive. Now? It's always a match because that's how they make money. Nobody cares about men. Men don't spend money, men are happy with less, men don't need to constantly compare themselves to others, men don't need unlimited subscriptions and daily beauty routines.

>>85840139
I'm not baiting or being disingenuous, but isn't Edward Dutton a biased source? I am vaguely aware of who he is, and if I recall correctly he's basically a pro-White conservative or something, so I probably largely agree with him on pretty much anything, but if he's the only source for this demographic trend, then I wouldn't be inclined to trust it outright, unless there are more sources pointing towards the same direction.

>>85840283
The only job LLMs can do well is to replace Indian call center fraudsters, and propagandists. It generates bullshit, it is incapable of truthfulness or accuracy. Widespread implementation of LLMs is technological regression. There is no value in replacing perfectly reliable services with ones that randomly malfunction.

You are a human bullshit generator. You cannot see the problem with LLMs because you are equally useless and harmful, and should be shot for the betterment of society.

>>85840441
You have no idea what AI is or how it works. You got traumatized by the initial release version of ChatGPT, and because you are clinically autistic, are unable to move beyond that trauma.

I genuinely feel sorry for you.

>>85840450
You are a liar that is incapable of reason.

>>85840478
While we were posting here, ChatGPT launched four ads in a clients ad account for me.

After my client uploaded the video files to a shared google drive folder, I prompted it into action.

It grabbed the video files from the folder the client had uploaded the videos into and uploaded them to the clients ad account, generated the ad copy after reading the relevant project files about this particular client which contains information about the clients ICP, and after showing me the draft for approval and receiving approval, launched the ads.

This workflow allowed me to work on something else simultaneously, increasing my productivity.

>>85840287
Where I live in New Zealand single mothers lived like queens in the 2000s. I'm a poorfag myself and I see their poverty is now real, many are actually defrauding the government by pretending to be split but yet are still de facto together to rake in benefits.

The divorce industry itself is recording a drop off on couples splitting because of the cost of living crisis.

As to the government jobs, they're going to either indians or islanders or they're facing massive austerity cuts.

>>85840334
It's been noted in demographic statistics as far back as the 1990s. There's speeches from evangelical christians in the 2000s talking about replacement migration, and how democrats are doing it because they are trying to undo the conservative's natural fertility advantage.

Just look at israel with their orthodox jews for a more extreme version of it.

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>>85840545
>while you were chatting shit, I was making the world worse with greater efficiency than I could before

>>85840573
So your argument isn't anti-AI, you're just anti-everything that isn't an edgy 4chan post?

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>>85834579
>The cross-national correlation between gender equality and lower fertility is exceptionally strong
To translate from academic language
>The more rights women got the less children they had
Then they proceed to argue for furthering the same effects that drove down fertility rates in the first place.

>>85840579
My argument is that you need to be put in a woodchipper feet-first.

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>>85840585
>normalfags are choosing to let civilization and mankind with it die rather than take away the toys given to foids
We were never really meant to leave this planet.

>>85840585
If I remember correctly, the authors explicitly acknowledge that removing/reducing women's rights would fix the fertility crisis, but that there's no appetite for it in our societies, hence the alternative they're showcasing.

>>85840593
>hey the jews and their lackeys are destroying civilization as we know it
>"i'm prepared to commit acts of terror against other human beings"
>great, aim it against those responsible
>"no, i will pursue violence against private individuals utilizing AI to make money"

>>85840613
>I'm not the jew's lackey
t. jew's lackey

>>85840664
You are the sort of "anti-Jew" who instead of shooting traitor politicians would go to a kindergarten because it's easier and offers less resistance.

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>>85834579
How about this one, replace women with artificial wombs? We are building artificial intelligence, so we can do artificial wombs as well. Modern problems require modern solutions. Everyone else here is arguing over retardation.

>>85840676
You are a jew.

Roblox.

>>85840690
Imagine being so clinically autistic that you have a multi-post spergout because people more intelligent than you use AI and make money while you still seethe about ChatGPT v1.0

>>85840561
I see your point, but I think people just aren't getting together as much as before. Marriages are down and women are looking for a dual-mating strategy since rich alphas are in such short supply. Women want a hot guy to cum in them and impregnate them and then a rich hard worker to leech off of and then divorce. Well less men are willing to get married in the first place because they're aware of this situation. I'm like a 7 or an 8 and I know several women who want me to fuck them behind their husband's back. I'm myself a bastard and look nothing like my dad so he resents me.

It's all very complicated until you break it down to dual-mating strategy with women who know a rich alpha isn't gonna settle for them so they split rich and alpha into two different men. My 'dad' makes 350k a year so my mom doesn't have to work but they don't even spend time together and it just seems miserable. I'm trying to study a lot so I can earn a lot but women just want to fuck me and won't love me. I wish reality was more focused on love and less on money.

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>>85840698
Fucking oven dodger.

>>85839506
Women are not going to sleep with men they don't find attractive either way so paid single motherhood with chads' offspring has no downsides
The rest can get prostitutes or something. Men cheat a few years into marriage anyway they can quickly be made to not give a damn about it

>>85840794
>Women are not going to sleep with men they don't find attractive either way so paid single motherhood with chads' offspring has no downsides
Except undermining the entire foundation for modern civilization? There are precisely two times in all of human history where we didn't have strictly enforced monogamy: Pre-history, before the agricultural revolution. And the last ~10-20 years.

Do you think marginalizing the vast majority of men is going to end up perpetuating a stable technological civilization?

>>85840712
calling people you dislike jews is a thought terminating cliche
After you declare they are a jew that is the end of discussion, no trying to argue or engage with what they are saying, just repeat over and over again they are a jew

>>85840701
I'm sorta in a similar situation, I had a parent who started multiple families and was a delinquent in his youth. My origin was basically an incel meme and I was blackpilled pretty early on.

People aren't getting together as much in white circles, but with jeets and islanders everywhere that's becoming a small drop in the bucket compared to society and the world at large. As things get harder things will pivot back to stability and temperance. 20 years ago the single mother divorce raped and got a house and cushy government email job, now they're suffering in a moldy rental waiting for government housing to be available. In twenty years time they'll be sleeping in one room to the whole family and half her mouth will be rotted out as dental care becomes unaffordable.

There isn't even the hope of charity if things go bad because we're a diversified, shit, low trust society. And the types that typically would have given her the benefit of the doubt will remember how they behaved a generation ago. Even christians now are turning into insular castes with standards due to the outright bullying and hostility secular society offers them, and are dealing with their own form of fatigue with the retards that used to be in asylums hanging around and being a burden.

Jeets and arabs are actually learning a lesson from our divorced white underclass and know not to repeat the mistake. I know for a fact they have a hatred towards parasitic and coddled single mothers because one vented it to me after his visa expired. They are voting, and they see no reason why the free money shouldn't be spread out to the working class.

>>85840819
>marginalizing
Realistically men get tired of their wives like three years into their marriage and only stay for the kids, it will prove better for men if they could not be tied to one women. Men never had monogamy that strictly enforced on them, even if they didn't look elsewhere it was more likely to be brushed off when it happened

>yea bro keep doing the things that lead to this exact situation and the problem with be fixed!

The sooner we rip the bandaid of women participating in the workforce and instead mandate sexual and breeding quotas the better.

>>85836028
shit bait, have a (You).

>>85834579
literally just outlaw birth-control

>>85840602
>there's no appetite for it in our societies
Heh they have no idea. Every other guy I meet, even normies now, are privately for removing women's right to vote.
This is just a matter of time now. Keep talking about the truth of women, eventually once boomers die out, critical mass will be reached and female right to vote will be reverted worldwide.

Unfortunately it's going to take about 30-40 years (we'll be very old men). But it will happen.

>>85842481
Hope for the best, prepare for the worst. I don't think there's any chance in hell that happens. The vast majority of men are willing-cuck-slaves. They'll never allow it.

Funny how the men least likely to be involved with women care so much about this topic

>>85843456
Are we to take this post as acknowledgment and approval by you - presumably a female - of a hypergamous society in which the vast majority of women are only sexually involved with a small minority of men, while the vast majority of men are expected to take the situation lying down with a smile on their face?

>>85838737
NTA but just look at what they did with the high variability male theory, it was called something like that. It basically was an study that concluded that there are more geniuses and more retards among men while women tended to be more mediocre and more on the average on IQ scores. The roasties infiltrated on science academia banned that theory because to them it was misogynistic. Hell, just look at your average everyday science blog, they hired a bunch of fat women to write retarded bullshit like "why the color blue is rape" instead of actual neutral studies. I used to read one that had like 20 different sub blogs and the one about science and studies got nuked because whatever study that came out made women look bad. It was a website about technology and now its like reading a womens magazine, zero actual technology, useful information or guides to do anything, its all retarded bullshit about food, traveling and womens clothing. Im not even joking or exagerating about this.

>>85843456
Guess who pays the taxes to support single moms getting knocked up by Chad sperm donors?

>>85843456
How is that funny? It seems obvious that the people negatively effected would care the most about an issue. It would be stranger if people having lots of sex were concerned about it.

Anecdotally I have to say this is a psyop. A bunch of my former coworkers and friends have kids and I've seen a bunch on the bus and around the city. Whatever.

>>85840545
>AI automated bullshit allowed me to post bullshit on a bullshit forum
Wow. And thats only for 20 buckaroos a month? What a steal!

>>85834579
Who the fuck cares about this shit. Every country now is full of shithole cities and people everywhere.

>>85834752
>Random nigger offers 16 y/o edgelord opinion
>>85834774
>Random nigger 2 endorses random nigger

>>85840561
The divorce industry will eat shit the same way the ominous wedding industry ate shit. Not only people are more empoverished, now men think it twice before getting married, and most of them just abandon ship whenever they are dating a bitch and she makes an scene. I had 10 gfs in 14 years and i cannot find one to fully trust her to not backstab me or rape me financially, ive reached a point where i value my money and peace more than any pussy, i already accepted i dont want to get fucked in the ass the rest of my life just because some disney shit telling me that having kids is happiness and that my wife will cry on my death bed. Ive seen terminally ill men get abandoned in the worst way possible by their wives just because the bitch wants to live laugh and love at 55 years old and her husband fucking dying is "too much anxiety". Yeah, everyone will eat shit, no doubt at all. This morning my female coworkers were bitching about not finding electricians, thats what happens when men have nothing to fight for, they just stay at home masturbating. Im glad everything is collapsing. I hope women suffer a lot.

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>>85834579
Our solution to the birth rate decline
>Make it more legally devastating for men to interact with women based on female accusations alone!
>Make men pay more taxes while giving them less and less work and actively discriminating against them in the workplace.
>Push policies that make men leave academia while women keep enrolling at record numbers and claiming to feel unsafe using title 9 courts as a kangaroo court
>Pay women more money regardless of their output
Okay, how does this put more fertilized eggs in wombs that are carried to birth and raised to adulthood?
>Ummm excuse me, this academic paper isn't here to answer your patriarchal framing.

>>85840689
Do you think the elites want men to raise children? Do you think they would build the technology to raise generations of actual men with an actual brain? No. They specifically want to raise the number of single moms because single moms produce fucking retarded children, they dont even want a father in the equation. Actual father figures raise actually intelligent people who question shit, take their own decisions and fight for shit. They do NOT want that at all, they want the new generarions to be jamals spiritually so they are easier to manipulate by puting cheaper shittier products in front of them like dangling keys in front of a baby.

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>>85843456
People who are less likely to breed themselves are biased to care about society more, since their genes can only be spread through kin selection rather than their own sexual selection.
It's biologically fine for you to not breed, so long as others in your family gets to.

>>85840545
Advertising is a negative value for society.
Like guy said bullshit generator.

>>85840794
>way so paid single motherhood with chads' offspring has no downsides
Except women would demand child support from these Chad's and Chad's aren't gonna put babies into their wombs because of that.
>women voting to end child support and alimony
>never
Women sleep with Chad's but Chad's aren't gonna commit