Can't he just divorce and be a slut afterwards? There is no justification for cheating.

>>85837063
It's not that women earnestly think this, they only act like this with a man that they "settled" for and don't actually like that much. If it was Chad with a 9 inch cock. she would jump over hoops while pregnant with his 9th child after a day of cleaning his house and making him a feast to suck his dick. Women are in a position of power in a marriage so she can just withdraw sex and if you get upset about it, you're the bad guy. If you leave her over it, you're the bad guy, especially if you have kids. If you cheat on her, you're the bad guy. There's literally no winning for a man with women like this, don't get married.

Nah she has a point. Dead bedroom and no kids is inexcusable. That's the type of situation /r9k/ can fairly be up in arms about. Dead bedroom but she gave you 3 kids you can go back to jerking off until they're all in school.

>>85837077
I think they probably had been talking about opening their relationship at some point. Women can throw out shit like, it would be ok for me if we never had sex ever again, and except the man to be fine with it. So there is always a hint of, do be what you need to do as long as i dont find out. And i think ethan went along with his side chick thinking in the long run he and hila wouldnt stay together so it didnt matter what he did. But the reality is even if couples can say crazy things there is always reality. In this case the reality is they have a life long commitment to taking care of three kids which completely overrides whatever their sexual relationship is at the moment. So meanwhile the thought, its ok if you feel like fucking around, might have been acceptable for both of them, the reality of broken trust wasnt. A lot of people go around thinking crazy things and even share these things to others and kind of laugh it off but once it becomes reality everything changes

>>85837063
men can only think with their dick, they would blow up a family with their own 3 children because they're so obsessed with sex

>>85837063
OP just gave one.

>>85837104
if that were true, you'd be a slave
women are just selfish

>modern women
As opposed to what kind of women?

>>85837085
All of this is true, and remember, you're the bad guy for all of it, but if she does the same to you, you just weren't meeting her needs and you're still the bad guy.
The game's so fucking rigged the only winning move is to not play (marriage).

>>85837097
Yeah that's bullshit. What's the point of getting married then (there is no point but for the sake of the argument let's entertain it)? Part of the marriage contract is a man agreeing to be monogamous towards you with the expectation that you'll give him a steady flow of intimacy. If I just want a pretty prop to pop out my spawn, I can just get any random bitch pregnant without tying myself in a monogamous contract. The marriage contract isn't "I marry you and you give me kids, now the bargain if fulfilled". That's not how it works. Sex is a core part of a relationship, without it there is no relationship.

If your wife is refusing to have sex with you AND you consider it unacceptable to live life celibate while married to that person, then you need to divorce. It's a horrible situation but what are you supposed to do? Sex is a part of marriage and if one person has unilaterally decided, basically with zero justification, that sex will not be a part of marriage for you, then that person has already basically dissolved your marriage on their own anyway, you're just filling out the paperwork.

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No one care about jewtuber drama
This is now a Spiderman thread

>>85837121
All of your arguments go out the window when you decide to have kids. That is both of you mutually agreeing you are going to give up your sex life in the short term. It's a serious decision with consequences and costs. It doesn't just fuck up your sex life it fucks up everything. Your ability to travel or easily change jobs or to take a year off etc.

Having kids disrupts all of this but pretty much everyone agrees the sacrifice is ultimately worth it in the end.

What's bullshit is agreeing to that and then when your wife is too busy for sex you go and cheat on her. You literally just have to wait until all the kids are in school. But if you keep having more you can't keep getting butthurt it's impossible to have a sex life.

>>85837153
>All of your arguments go out the window when you decide to have kids.
Except I directly addressed that and you did not. If I just wanted a prop to pop out my spawn, why would I not just get any random woman pregnant outside of marriage and continue fucking whoever I want with no strings attached? Marriage is not a contract to have kids and then the intimate relationship is over. This is not a serious argument, you're only saying this because you don't want to give any responsibility for the maintenance of the marriage to the woman.

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>>85837137
what's up with this spiderman in particular?

>>85837134
>If your wife is refusing to have sex with you AND you consider it unacceptable to live life celibate while married to that person, then you need to divorce.
Women need to be held accountable for not signaling this ahead of time though. If a woman's thoughts are "Yeah, after we kids I'm kind of done with fucking you bro. Sorry not sorry." That's something that needs to be said before kids are event a thought in their minds. Why didn't she tell that to him ahead of time?

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>>85837165
He probably needs to kill Harry Potter

>>85837077
I disagree. She broke the marriage contract by deciding to not have sex with him anymore. The marriage is already over so respecting the contract at that point is pointless. It doesn't really matter if you fuck someone else before or after anymore besides pearl clutching about the sanctity of something that no longer exists except in name only.

>>85837163
Listen, if you are not willing to give up sex to have kids then you are honestly not ready to be a father. Plenty of women don't want to have kids either so just marry one of them and you're set.

Or do it your way, have kids out of wedlock with a woman who wants to have kids but doesn't want to be married (lol) and then marry a girl who wants to raise another womans children with you while putting out constantly and not having any kids of her own with you (lmao).

But the scenario where you marry a woman, have kids with her fully understanding it will drastically reduce your sex life, then get pissed when that happens and you cheat is retarded.

>>85837063
to quote Mia Khalifa get this IDF cuck wife off my timeline

>>85837197
You're retarded. Everyone expects a reduction in sex once kids are around. If I'm a new dad, I probably have little energy for sex too. But there's a big difference between a reduction and a completely stoppage.
>do it your way
My way doesn't involve marriage at all so you're just wrong on that front.
>have kids with her fully understanding it will drastically reduce your sex life
Reduce =/= Complete removal. If my wife hasn't had sex with me in literal years and she has no intention of rectifying that anytime soon and on top of that, throws your children in your face as if that makes up for that, then she has broken the marriage contract. It doesn't matter if you "cheat" on her anymore because she's already ended the relationship in everything but legal terms, there's nothing to cheat on. Again, you're just trying to skirt giving women any responsibility in the maintenance of a marriage. It's just pathetic, bro,

>>85837182
>Women need to be held accountable for not signaling this ahead of time though

What's there to signal? This should be basic logic any Robot should be able to ascertain and figure out on their own.

If you don't have kids you can have sex as much as you want.

If you have kids you now have other people living in your house 24/7. They also need your constant attention and for the first several years they will keep you up at night constantly. Also if you keep having more this window where it's next to impossible to have a sex life keeps getting extended further.

Once they're all in school however you're pretty much fine.

Ethan is complaining about not getting sex for a year when he has a 2, 4, and 7 year old in his house. 2/3 aren't even in Kindergarten yet. No one has a fucking normal sex life under those circumstances.

Welcome to being a parent. 99% of people get through this no problem without cheating.

>>85837063
Ironic that the most litigious youtube jew gets divorced by his idf wife and he immediately gives her everything because he knows her lawyers will rip him apart

>>85837085
This. My mom and my dad fuck multiple times a week after 30 years of marriage because my dad is a 6'6" well off good looking older guy that can fuck any girl he wants and my mom knows it.

>>85837221
I don't know where you get off calling anyone retarded. It's basic math that the more kids you have the less sex you have. Even just having 1 kid reduces your sex life dramatically. But once you get up to 3 it makes perfect sense sex would stop completely until some or all of the kids are in school. Because you now have 3 separate people all vying for your time and attention 24/7 instead of 1.

This is why Hila bringing up 3 kids is so relevant. Ethan watched as his sex life dramatically reduced after 1 kid and then said lets have another. Then he watched as the meagre amount of sex he had before reduced to almost nothing. Then he agreed to having ANOTHER kid. Then he gets pissed when the sex goes down to zero?

Any guy who has kids is in control of this situation. You can't keep having them and continually reducing your opportunities to have sex and then get pissed about it.

>>85837233
>What's there to signal? This should be basic logic any Robot should be able to ascertain and figure out on their own.
No it isn't. No reasonable guy thinks that his sex life is completely over for the rest of his life their wife gives birth, nobody thinks this. Plenty of women are not like this so yes, if you ARE like this then it is your RESPONSIBILITY to tell him.

>>85837063
Men are so entitled they don't think raising their children and bringing half of the income (those jews' job literally revolved around being a couple lol) is not "giving anything back". Reminder to fembots that it's the softest of their opinion and they are holding back because most families are dual income nowadays. If they were the sole breadwinners they would be even worse. Cause they are cynical soulless subhumans who are only ruled by the conditions of the market. We spend equal amount of energy on our family but I happen to be more economically important? You must do everything so I don't ditch you. And then they wonder why no one is sitting out brats - having children is an economical net negative for a family and they treat anything that the market doesn't reward as shit. The most soulless, system slave people God has produced

>>85837240
He gave her the podcast and her clothing brand. The podcast is now effectively worth nothing without him. No one is going to tune in to watch his ex-wife who can barely speak English and the bunch of boring uninteresting NPC's he hired over the years.

The clothing brand only sold anything because it was effectively merch for the podcast. With the podcast dead that brand will not survive on its own. Literally no one wears it except H3H3 podcast listeners.

So he effectively gave her 2 things that are worth nothing.

Meanwhile the stuff actually worth money like their 9 million dollar house he will obviously lawyer up for.

>>85837271
Bump. Girlboss4life

>>85837271
>bringing half of the income
I hope you're not talking about h3h3 because that's all Ethan and Hila fucking knows it. You honestly believe that Hila will retain an audience if she continues without Ethan? She has the personality of a block of wood, its over. Meanwhile Ethan could feasibly come back from this eventually just as a new thing. With a drastically reduced audience but he will have AN audience.

>>85837277
Okay,it might now be exact mathematical half but she did bring the podcast to another level and expanded their audience,his brand revolved around couple content for years. He was there first,yes. But most people found about him after they got together. You are proving the point again BTW,man treat relationships as the most cynical capitalist employer who cuts as much as he can

Wait, women simply decide to stop having sex with you one day after you get married? That cannot be true, surely.

If he just wanted sex why not see a prostitute why do it with someone in your inner circle?

>>85837302
Exactly. All the male pushed stereotypes are bs. There is no sex without attachment,male cheating is by all metrics worse than female cheating

>>85837277
Women honestly believe that because their husband allows them to participate in the success he fostered that they were equally responsible for said success. Ethan was a wife guy before he soured on Hila in the last year so he was obviously going to glaze her and pump her up but that empire was 99% Ethan's doing.

>>85837277
Hila's clothing brand actually makes way more than the podcast. The podcast makes like $50K a month between memberships, ad revenue, sponsorships etc. The clothing brand does like $500K a month in sales.

You're right that without the podcast the merch wouldn't exist but look at any online content creator. Merch is always the thing that does iron man numbers. But most content creators never really effectively max out the amount of money they could be making from merch. Hila did that for Ethan 100x over, I would say she's actually the greatest to ever do it. Name any other content creator that made a merch line that turned into an entire fashion label that then makes 10x more than their content creation revenue.

>>85837104
True for a fact. Pathetic.

>>85837063
>the moment they give you children they can just opt out of sex for the rest of their lives
i kinda agree with this
It is normal and common. Besides kids are the endgoal. Everyone knows women dont actually enjoy sex with non chads so theres no issue with just nasturbating to keep stability.

>>85837311
He got peak popularity with her involvement and she's an important past of the brand? And again,you guys are proving the initial point. Also, while the OP was talling about them specifically he was generalizing modern marriages where financed are pretty much 50/50

>>85837302
He probably thought she'd be more likely to keep it a secret, also he's a Jew he's not going to pay

>>85837221
Tell me you are a cheater without telling me a cheater

>literally justifies the guy cheating lmao

>>85837271
Yup, men are horrible human beings but unfortunately there are no culturally accepted alternatives to thr marriage institution:(

>>85837323
Let's put it this way: If you replaced Hila with any other generic woman, would anything actually change? I think you know the answer to that. Meanwhile if you replaced Ethan, it would not be the same at all because Ethan is a character with a unique personality and unique quirks. Hila was just along for the ride while Ethan did all the heavy lifting. Nothing saying she did literally nothing but she was the 1% to Ethan's 99%.

>>85837271
Isnt it hilarious how entitled they are. They want women at their feet and beg for them not to leave, doing everything for them to keep them while the women get little in return. Of course the women have to bear his children, raise all of the children, do the emotional labor which also includes the children and all the planning for the children, and do a whole list of chores, cleaning, cooking, washing, grocery shopping, and so on, a 24/7 job. And then they whine like little bitches about not getting enough sex while he doesnt contribute anything substantial other than maybe the income or partial income. And then still expect the women to beg them for not leaving and jumping through hoops to keep them. What a joke.

>>85837322
I agree. The anons are justifying cheating because they view being non chad as being cucked by default (so they feel vindictive) which maybe is alright defenintion to have but I don't think it's relevant. Most women don't sleep around,they just silently wait for chad/accept they can't get him. Hilla likely doesn't have exes she gave more sex to so there's nothing to feel resentful about. And if not being the top 1% is being cucked by default hilla and most women (not stacy) are victims too and should feel resentful

Refusing sex is not a reason to cheat. You should get a divorce.

>foids think that men are entitled because they want more than 0 sex from their wife
Don't get married, boys. These bitches ain't worth it.

>>85837341
Their brand earns more than their podcast. If you don't see how good of a manager and expander she personally is it's really over. And again proving the point. She spent as much calories on their business as him but it doesn't matter cause on labor market she'd worth less than him

>>85837341
>Let's put it this way: If you replaced Hila with any other generic woman, would anything actually change?

Yes you retard. Did you just come out of a time machine from 2011? Ethan has not contributed or carried them financially in fucking years. That was only the case when he still did comedy prior to the podcast AKA back when they were making the least amount of money in their entire lives.

Once he gave up making comedy videos and started doing the podcast Hila's contributions and worth multiplied his exponentially. Her being beside him gave him a huge halo effect which brought in female viewers (which is now the majority of their audience). Her toning down his humour (which used to be inspired by fucking Sam Hyde LOL) is what turned them into a safe edgy entertainment product that could do iron man numbers and get huge sponsors and celebrities on. Then on top of this not only does she co-host, but she started running a merch operation for Ethan that later turned into a full time fuck huge fashion business that for years now has made 10x more than the podcast does.

Look at Ethan's peers from back when he started and see how well they're doing today without a Hila of their own.

>>85837353
Yup we think we deserve to not force ourselves to tolerate sex after we put as much effort into finances and 5x more into children who also messed up our harmones. No one is asking you to fully provide and simp for a woman who literally, measurably does nothing

>>85837233
>If you have kids you now have other people living in your house 24/7.
This is why Russians have this sauna lifehack. They simply love to have them personal saunas at their houses/summer houses. Personal family sex space.

>>85837363
>>Yes you retard. Did you just come out of a time machine from 2011? Ethan has not contributed or carried them financially in fucking years.
Okay so since Ethan is so useless then Hila is going to be a booming success with her podcast and brand without him, right? Right? She'll just get a new husband and it'll be like Ethan never left, right? Who do you think you're fooling? You know that's bullshit you just hate the truth.

>>85837104
Modern women are lucky that men are >obsessed with sex, otherwise there would be absolutely no incentive to deal with them.
If you expect women to pull their weight these days they're just gonna cry and play that >all day everyday cancer tiktok song.

>>85837375
Neither of them is ever going to make as much money again as they did when they were together.

>>85837382
But one will make substantially more than the other.

>>85837367
They don't consider raising children as a sacrifice you make because children are no longer economical benefit as they were in agrarian society. Marriage is entertainment spending for them like porn,video games etc. Maybe even less important than the mentioned spendings because the cheap dopamine from them is a necessity at this point. My fav onlyfans model does my requests when I donate, you,my wife, is the same category of expenses so why don't you???

>>85837381
Half of modern women will be single and childless in the near future because of how "beneficial" men are

>>85837391
I came to conclusion men can't respect women ever. No matter if you are financially dependent on him or you go 50/50. It's so sad to me. Is it really because of physical strength? It's not even that important nowadays..

>>85837367
>No one is asking you to fully provide and simp for a woman who literally, measurably does nothing
Except women do do that. If Ethan was a one-man show and was married to some woman who did literally nothing and was giving him zero sex, the white knighting about cheating about still be here. People just have a bias towards men and zero expectations for women. Women are allowed to do nothing and get everything while men are expected to give everything and expect nothing.

>>85837407
Men would respect women if they had a reason to. What women are doing exactly? Complaining? Have a jew daycare job that a 70IQ retarded child could do?
Funny how you want respect from a basic human activity like cooking or equally splitting money.

Try being *actually* intelligent (not performative boss qween), have an actual skill, and a man will respect you. But guess what. No woman like that actually exists. Maybe some 0.1% of them, and I guarantee you are not one of them.

>>85837418
This kek. They would just blame him for marrying a useless woman. You can't win a man.

>>85837395
I'm feeling sorry for you that you're cursed to be Chad only while also being a frumpy incel factory, it must really be a tough fate. But hey, you can cope that you're sticking it to the patriarchy by staying single, and it's totally out of choice.

>>85837386
Certainly not Ethan. His career in media is likely over. Look at the Try Guy who cheated on his wife and see how he's doing. That is Ethan's future.

His entire audience was quirk chungus millennial women who now want to see him burn in hell. He jettisoned his male audience years ago when he stopped doing comedy and went giga woke. Breadtube and the left hates him because he was forced for years to defend his IDF serving wife and Israel.

He also can't turn heel about become a right wing grifter because the landscape has totally changed and Jews are hated now. The only contingent of the Right he could possibly align with like Ben Shapiro and Jewden Peterstein he has personally beefed with.

Hila's brand meanwhile still does millions a year in sales. It's been trying to branch out away from its association with the podcast anyway. This is actually the perfect situation for it to grow into its own thing. Even if it downsizes significantly (like a 75% reduction in sales without the podcast) it will probably still forever make more money than Ethan who has no skills outside sitting in front of a camera and streaming, when he now has no audience that wants to watch him.

>>85837418
Once again, the no name woman would be raising his children and cutting her opportunities to be with other men in the future. Women by default sacrifice when they enter marriage but it doesn't matter because on da marketTM it doesn't get rewarded. I guess it's okay to treat dating as a capitalist would treat hiring but when you've already commited? When you supposedly love her? It's just probing my point. Men are cynical capitalists with no personal appreciation for your effort

>>85837407
Men just see themselves as superior and always will. Funny thing is that they actually need our wombs to have children, which many men will. And they need our bodies so they can fulfill their sexual needs. We are not much more than that to them. Oh, maybe we are their personal butlers and maids too btw. They literally think we as women are here on this earth to serve THEM. Hilarious isnt it
I almost feel sorry for them being so delusional

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>>85837350
>I don't think it's relevant
Its entirely relevant, its like the entire point
>most women (not stacy) are victims too and should feel resentful
The only thing (((women))) are victims of is their own hubris

>>85837436
>Women by default sacrifice when they enter marriage
How does a woman sacrifice anything by being in marriage, when they are favored in every western jurisdiction in the world in any divorce court?
You're living in lala land.

>>85837425
You are the one creating "men are soooo important" narrative. I don't have insame expectations from life so I have nothing to cope with retard

>>85837423
Young men and womem earn the same retard. If one were more needed the marketTM wouldn't allow them to have the same salaries

>>85837437
>They literally think we as women are here on this earth to serve THEM.
Correct. That's what women are made for and are most happy doing and you're coping if you think otherwise.

There's literally studies that came out that straight up say that the reason humanity is dying out (below replacement birth rates) is because women have rights.
We literally cannot exist as species unless women serve men. And we both know you love serving men by default.
Any man who had a girlfriend into him that wasn't brainwashed by feminist/jew bullshit will confirm this. Of course there's prerequisites even for them (such as being able to dominate them, at least mentally).

>>85837423

>Try being *actually* intelligent (not performative boss qween)

That's Hila.

>have an actual skill

That's Hila.

>and a man will respect you.

Nope, she still got cheated on. Even after making a merch company for her Husband's podcast that turned into a serious company that makes 5 million a year in revenue and doing everything you say a women should. She still got cheated on and you're still in here defending her husband. Shut the fuck up.

>>85837443
It's harder for her to date with a child later. She plummets her value on the dating market to 0 so she can try to build a future with you. It's a much more risky investment. What you've mentioned is not relevant when young men and women earn the same and men do get their kids when they actually fight for custody

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>>85837449
Wrong. Younger women earn more due to transfer of money from men to women.
Otherwise explain why women are responsible for about 80% of spending.

Many jobs are subsidized by various programs by governments. Majority of jobs in government as well as big corporations are women-only for this reason.

>>85837445
>I don't have insame expectations from life
then I assume you're a tranny and not a real woman

>>85837451
>there are studies
Just kek. You are philosophically castrated retard who can't participate in any discussion

>>85837455
If she doesn't marry her value is lower too, because aging is inevitable. What's your point?
What's the "risk" here? That a perfect chad could come along and make her a billionaire?

>men do get their kids when they actually fight for custody
LOL... you have no idea what you are talking about.

>>85837461
Retard attach again. Yes my guy women totally need you and want you, not just as a male but individually

>>85837465
>excuse me you can't bring up studies, you must only use abstract thought to talk about things!
Are you retarded?

>>85837453
>That's Hila.
Give me one example of her Intelligence and Skill. I am waiting. No, her shitty design brand she piggybacked off her husband's popularity is not skill. That's called "Behind every great woman is an even greater husband", a story as old as time itself, from Ancient Egypt, Modernity and Curie, to modern times.

>>85837482
Building a company from scratch that makes millions a year takes intelligence and skill. The fact that you won't acknowledge this because your hatred of women supersedes your ability to be logical and just is why you are a failed male.

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I still don't believe the rumours that seem to be being spammed that they stopped fucking but if so I think it's one of the only times infidelity can be justified if the one being denied (pretty much always the guy) has made a good faith effort to work towards whatever the other wants and continues to get rebuffed.

I think it's abjectly cruel to demand another person be only allowed to have sex with you and then not having sex with them. If it's really an impossibility that you ever want to do it again no matter how much they try to fix it (and I know, holding it over them and making them jump through hoops forever while constantly denying them is often the point), and you still want to keep the relationship, then you should just give them a hall pass

>>85837470
>Yes my guy women totally need you and want you,
What sort of gotcha is this? I'm fully aware that women don't need me considering that the government is already their daddy and they only have eyes for the top 20% of men if even that.

Thing is, women are gonna be miserable because their expectations are completely busted and unrealistic, we already see you developing SSRI addictions to cope with your miserable lives. Fact is that men are handling loneliness(and I mean true loneliness) much better than women are. It's not men that I see in their 30s making shitty videos about where all the good women gone.
You aren't some rebel for being a chad-only 'girlboss' with a jew daycare job that AI will replace very soon. It's gonna hurt you a lot more than it's gonna hurt me.

>>85837451
Oh baby, you are so delusional. You should seek a therapist. Were not here to serve you, retard.

>>85837468
Who's value is lower 35 years old woman with two children or 35 y.o. childless woman,retard. Fathers fight for custody in 4% of cases (lmao) and win them at least 50% of the time

>>85837502
Lol, women dont really suffer loneliness to the same extent because they bond very well with other women. Men do on the other hand. They die much more often by suicide too

Get your facts straight.

>>85837472
The best minds are arguing whether feminism was a natural consequence of capitalism or was it a particular western action. Centuries of debates have been centered around proving/disproving historical materialism but anon and his studies have figured everything out!

>>85837521
>They die much more often by suicide too
You do know that women attempt it more, right? It's just that you can't even get that done properly.

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>foids when you ask them to spread their legs a few times a year for the man they supposedly love

>>85837521
Even if what he said was true, the only reason for that would be lack of alternatives for marriage in family building. Yes, just uniting two people who conceive a child is the most logical and easy way to organize things. Yes,there are no similar motivations to stay together in non romantic/sexual relationships as there are between two people who fuck and risk pregnancy. But this model is being proven to not be universal in real time therefore the alternatives will start sticking around in the near future

>>85837538
>How men view you after you messed up your hormones while being pregnant with their children and killed your libido further more by sleepless nights taking care of them
>use the word "love" unironically and try to shame women for not practicing it

>>85837104
correct and this is coming from a man. if you give your man no pussy and expect things to be just fine you might as well divorce now or not get married

>>85837557
>How trannies pretend to be real women on /r9k/

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>>85837594
If you don't see a female hand there's no way your iq tops 85

>>85837579
Just hire a good lawyer prior and create the perfect conditions to leave this asshole anon homeless

>>85837598
Looks like a shaved manlet wrist

>>85837614
That's my unshaved hand,you can see hair

>>85837439
Do you have any argument except being edgy? Most people are "robbed" of being top 1%. What's the point of focusing on it and expecting others to support it if that's all of our reality

>>85837085
>don't get married.
Married normies have told me that eventually (after 3-5yrs) their gfs began pressuring them into marriage and threatening to end the relationship. So basically, you need to try and find one of the very few women who are smart and not gold-diggers, who don't care about fitting in society and won't care for marriage. And I'm pretty sure that's so difficult it's not even worth trying. Best to stay volcel or get used to relationships that you have to end when she starts trying to trap you into providerdom.

>>85837604
good way to get murdered, and you'd fucking deserve it

>>85837643
>"Smart" woman acting against her best interest
Lol

>>85837649
Not so cool being treated as disposable back, is it? And you

>you must be happy to be the sexless betabux because.. you just have to ok

>>85837662
>you must only pursue what makes you "happy" and gives you cheap dophamine and on top of that treat it as the moral standard expecting others to emphasize with you because...it feels good

>>85837650
Truly smart women realize it's not in their best interest to be in the same house with a physically stronger human that they have pressured into a situation they don't enjoy. If it works out well, they get a slave oofy-doofy they can later divorce for money. But if it doesn't work out, they can end up in a hospital or early grave...as it happens not that rarely here in Europe.

>>85837650
Oh but I thought marriage isn't in the interest of women because muh unpaid labour and >mental load, which is it?

>>85837670
You stated it yourself that marriage is the social expectation. By choosing someone who doesn't she increases her chances of choosing someone who will murder her on top of facing all the disadvantages of not conforming. And don't come with them "outliers are both the best and worst" bs. Rich men are ultimate conformists and if they don't marry you it ultimately means they don't want you that much and you'd still be better off married to them

>>85837667
>you have le duty to chad's alpha widows to suck it up

>>85837677
Living together is functionally a marriage,retardanon. And the OP wanted to make her step the cultural line between dating (cultural status: tempoparily) and marriage (cultural status: as permanent as it gets) without the actual legal and social recognition

>>85837063
Everybody defending Hila in this thread is missing the point. Men don't want sex so much because it feels good as much as they want it because it signals their partner is into them. If a man's wife completely refuses to have sex with him that means she was never attracted to him and only used him for his money (because if she was attracted to him she'd still be down to fuck at least once in a while). That is literally a man's worst fear because it means he is nothing but a wagecuck for her. Ethan didn't cheat because "no sex :(" he cheated because Hila doesn't like him, and never really did.

>>85837683
>woman who put labor into my children and their children financially abd physically didn't do enough for me to have any duty to her..and also she's ultimately bad as all the people I've mistreated

>>85837694
All the anons here talk about sex as duty and something a woman gives in exchange to be tolerated. Maybe they are bearing around the bush cause tolerating women just to hit sounds more macho and less vulnerable but they still do talk about it this way

>>85837696
>I want continued obligations on your side but not mine, or I would if I weren't just a LARPing tranny on /r9k/

>>85837085
>If it was Chad with a 9 inch cock. she would jump over hoops while pregnant with his 9th child after a day of cleaning his house and making him a feast to suck his dick.
/thread

>>85837702
She was still taking care of his children and working. And most women in those marriages still are putting effort into it retard

>>85837699
Because they are bitter asocial retards who never experienced love and can't comprehend the fact that if a girl really loves you she'll be the one pestering you for sex. I'd never be with a girl who doesn't let me fuck her, not because its her "duty" to let me hit, but because it means she doesn't like me whatsoever.

It really is disgusting that women can get away with being parasites like this and effectively trap a man in a loveless limbo where he has to choose between any level of care in his life and divorcing the mother of his children that no longer loves him and giving her an insane amount of money just because she existed nearby.

I don't even like ethan, but people are dogpiling on him unfairly for content at this point, and probably just because they don't like him. They're setting men as a whole back decades by validating and enhancing that ghoul hila's financial parasitism on him. She's way too fucking ugly to be pulling this shit off.

>>85837679
>By choosing someone who doesn't she increases her chances of choosing someone who will murder her on top of facing all the disadvantages of not conforming.
This only makes sense if you assume all men eventually beat their gfs/wives. Which is far-fetched. But women are known for choosing violent assholes who are likely to beat them, so maybe they secretly enjoy it.
>if they don't marry you it ultimately means they don't want you that much
So essentially women are like alcohol. You have to put your financial security(women) or health(alcohol) on the line, otherwise you "don't want it that much". You know what, I care about my money and my health, as they are far more important and reliable than any woman. So any woman with this mindset can fuck right off.

>>85837720
>it's only true blah blah blah
If a man doesn't take social norms seriously, yes he is more likely to beat you up.

And yes you have to risk something to prove you love a person lmao. Just by introducing your gf to your parents you risk being extremely dissapointed. Just by going out with her and being seen/posting a photo with her you risk something. So does she,especially if you want children (the ultimate endgoal of any romance). How would you feel if your girlfriend was doing everything to avoid any risk? Anon cam you please wear 5 layers of condom even if we are married? Anon can you not hold my hand in public please? Anon can you pretty please never mention we are together to anyone ever, you could hypothetically cheat and embarrass me?

>>85837745
>If a man doesn't take social norms seriously, yes he is more likely to beat you up.
The social norm in my country is beating your wife when she pisses you off. How about that? You can go in any small town or village and tell someone you slapped your wife and they'll joke about it with you.
>And yes you have to risk something to prove you love a person lmao
Yes, I risk my sanity and I spend money and effort and time on someone who might leave me for a "better" man eventually.
>So does she,especially if you want children (the ultimate endgoal of any romance).
I'm gonna stop here. We obviously don't agree on too many things and you are not being logical.

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>>85837745
>If a man doesn't take social norms seriously, yes he is more likely to beat you up.
even if he does he might eventually have enough of your shit and send you to meet Jesus

>>85837767
So..what. Being edgy again, retard? >>85837766

>>85837773
The Norfman does not tolerate foid shenanigans, tranny

>>85837063
If chuds can pull the ultimate comeback and turn this into an Ethan W, then you have my full support. Another factor for me is his former coworkers' insane narcissism despite being talentless nobodies and the way they immediately knelt before King Hasan begging for their careers.
>>85837349
They have a nanny who does everything and Hila has stated that she doesn't like spending time with the kids and that she's looking forward to the kids being gone.

>>85837085
>There's literally no winning for a man with women like this, don't get married.
Marriage is a scam in the modern world and more and more men are realizing that.

>>85837773
its not being edgy its the truth, you can have all the law and shit on your side and men will let it slide till at some point they snap and its too late for your stupid ass.

>>85837085
>women would be more willing to fuck their husband if he was hot and not pudgy sack of sludge
whoa!!!

>>85837813
I'll just get a boyfriend to cuck and kill you,edgelord and he will rape your corpse

>>85837817
I get what you're saying but the solution to that is not to marry someone you think is a sack of sludge, sweetie.

>>85837817
These types of comments have lost all their meaning since women, after spending 14 hours a day with their nose buried in their phone, have lost all grip on reality and will just call any man who isn't a movie star Chad ugly. Meanwhile, the average woman in America weighs 170 pounds, let's not kid ourselves.

>>85837817
So he shouldn't have married hila because she looks like a swamp hag mixed with a fallout ghoul mixed with an emaciated african child mixed with Edvard Munch's painting "The Scream"?

Honestly you're right, don't give ugly women a chance. The inside matches the outside. Older women are off the table too, as are used goods.

>>85837063
It would have been much more respecting to just visit prostitutes

It's pretty sad that ultimately our lives ones are us. Like we can be "one" in terms of finances, naterial and social goals but if the spheres in which we are "one" become slightly less all consuming we will immediately become two individuals with opposite interests,mostly competitive and opposing ones too

>>85837857
Our loved ones aren't us*

the only reason to have a wife is to have pussy on tap

>>85837653
>Not so cool being treated as disposable back
why are you talking like foids are ever treated that way in the west?

>>85837063
Knowing what my father went through I support what this kike faggot did. I wouldnt be surprised if she was cheating.

>>85837806
>If chuds can pull the ultimate comeback and turn this into an Ethan W
ethan is a sjw, he's not on chuddie's side at all

>>85837063
having a "breeding kink" is in a way, a self-defeating fetish. "I WANT TO KNOCK HER UP" unconsciously says "I want sex and never again". It's like a praying mantis getting its head chopped off after mating.
>inb4 durrr breeding isn't a kink

If she's not having sex with you she's no longer attracted to you which is grounds for divorce.

Men simply become less attracted to their wives as they get older, women however can become profoundly disgusted by men, it is actually a hazard in your 30s and 40s. If a woman allows herself to go down that route emotionally then she is a toxic Karen. She will literally hate you and feel justified in doing so.

However cheating is le bad, break up before you do that.

>>85837972
They are. Men marry whoever once the time hits and treat her like disposable shit. The only thing stopping them into going whole asshole is the fact that they are dual income household,they share property, her parents help financially and all the other marketTM driven motivation

>>85837995
One of their children is only 2. If you aren't ready for your toddler to ruin your sex life you are too retarded to be a father which no one forced him to be after conceiving 2 children already

>>85838013
You realize that it being his third child and the fact that there's two more children after the first was a toddler means that it did not in fact ruin his sex life, right? Or did that fly over your head? It's pretty clear Hila's attitude towards him is a new thing and it wasn't like this with their first two children.

>>85837391
Thanks, femanon. Very r8ght put ,"entertainment spending"

>>85837391
>They don't consider raising children as a sacrifice you make
Yeah because this isn't the 1800s. Men are often times spending just as much time or not much behind in raising their children as the women are. He doesn't see if as your exclusively sacrifice because he's doing it too.

>>85838027
Yes, every pregnancy and breastfeeding period goes differently. He should have been aware of it, so should anons here. If you keep treating ripping your vagina open and wake up every few hours a night for an years as something woman does for herself and you tolerate, don't be surprised no one wants to shit out brats

>>85838043
We aren't talking about the general childhood or legal childhood period. Their child was 2. And spending equal amount of time is exclusively an upper class thing since we are routinely generalizing in this thread

>>85837233
Most parents are still having sex. Their date nights end with them fucking or they sleep on a different floor than the kids and they fuck at night

This idea that once you have kids that sex is over is asinine

>>85837258
The idea that you can just drop half the relationship is asinine. I've known couples with 3x as many kids as them who were still fucking and making more kids

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JFL at all the losers being okay with no more sex. If you are in a relationship with someone they control ALL your sex. ALL of it.

No more sex means using your hand for the next three, four, five decades. Whenever my gf isnt giving me any or complimenting me enough I just go on Grindr and fuck unlimited pussy

>>85838108
It's not the norm, yes. But what femanons are bewildered by is how men treat their marriage as a market deal. Not even just in theory but while discussing a particular case. Your wife gave birth two years ago which likely caused unusual libido drop? She's struggling and doesn't want to fuck? But other women are putting out!1!1 look, I calculated the value model where I am more economically valuable than her so she should be the one ripping her ass to keep mee. I don't care if she puts in as much effort as I do economically it doesn't matter as much as my effort so I'll hold it over her

>>85837407
because women like you will never respect a man no matter how supportive and loving he may be. You view yourself as entitled to everything in a relationship and your allowing him to exist near you is an unconscionable burden

>>85838134
Because a relationship is a give-and-take thing and one of those things is sex and non-sex intimacy. By removing that, you render your marriage into a roommates with kids situation and live like the Japanese - separate beds, no sex, "cheating", purely functional interactions. I agree that a lot of the tallying up is silly but you still didnt contend with the issue of a dead bedroom which is one of the main reasons people divorce in the first place

Ethan should have divorced her, not cheated. The kids would do better and be happier with split custody than in a marriage where mom and dad are resentful and disconnected with one another

This is all assuming Hila did 100% of the childcare which she didnt, she had a nanny the whole time giving major support. If he brought up the dead bedroom as an issue and you say there is zero chance that you will work on it or that there's nothing he can do to bring back that spark then consider your marriage over

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>>85837063
She just isn't sexually attracted to Ethan. Unless she has a fetish for fat ugly bastards, can you really blame her? She married him for partnership but not necessarily sex beyond the purpose of giving her children. That's how most hetero relationships are.

If an attractive hunk of a chad came along then she would give it up for him. That being said, I can't really blame Ethan just in that regard putting aside the fact that he's a gross annoying jew. You can't blame either of them. Hila not wanting to fuck Ethan. Ethan looking for sex and intimacy elsewhere. As long as Ethan remains committed to Hila emotionally, which is probably what Hila wants anyway. I mean really why would people care that Ethan is fucking another women when Hila doesn't care to fuck him. It's like she doesn't to have sex with him but she also doesn't want him to have sex with other women so what can he do?

>>85838212
Also, I'm an attractive man with an amazing body. If I had a wife then she would keep having sex with me just by virtue of me being attractive. That's why I will continue to put efforts into my looks. It's a skill issue for Ethan but he invests his effort into success in other ways.

The whole thing with women shaming men for liking sex is a manipulation tactic because really they don't have to have sex with men they don't find physically attractive. Not being physically attracted to someone and not wanting to have sex with them is fine. But don't gaslight men and instead just admit that.
>I don't want to fuck you because I find you unattractive
Instead of
>Wow, men only think of sex, men are bad people blah blah blah
Until chad comes along and they suddenly get loosey goosey.

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>>85837137
For me, it's the symbiote spider man

>>85837063
>he engages in a legal contract that grants a woman complete power over him and his assets
>he doesn't treat his woman as his personal free-use fucktoy
This is why they withhold sex in the first place.
Women want to be conquered and owned by a man who has strong principles and frame. Giving them any power or ability to refuse in a relationship is instant attraction-death.

>>85838258
They don't even "want" sex with attractive guys, it's more that they want a hot guy to want sex with them because it makes them feel more hot in their insane narcissistic worldview.

>>85837063
Women can stop having sex with their husband for years, and if the guy cheats it is his fault
What did she think would happen?

>>85838460
>What did she think would happen?
She knew this would happen, they all know. It's just because they're married she can claim she was betrayed and cry on social media for pity to avoid accountability.

>>85838383
Pete needs to get the symbiote back and settle some scores.

>>85837104
Women would blow up a family with their own 3 children because they don't want to put out

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This is a tactic women do when they want to divorce someone but they don't want to be the one to initiate the divorce because they're afraid of social backlash. So they set up an environment where the man gets frustrated and inevitably either leaves himself or cheats so she has plausible deniability. I know they do this on purpose because I've seen multiple women admit it.

>>85837063
Is 1 year without sex supposed to be a lot? Gosh marriage really sounds exhausting

>>85837077
fpbp, he could divorce at any time and pay the cuck tax
but now he fucked around and found out

>>85837097
I know with zero doubt she does all the labor and care for those kids and there's no bigger ick in the world for a woman than weaponized incompetence in a man.

>>85838743
You only think that because she's ugly and you're projecting. In reality, they've hired people to raise their kids and borderline don't even like them.

>>85837153
My dad didn't turn into an incel after me and my sister were born, I still vaguely remember catching them in action when I was 5 years old and then I remember hearing them multiple times a year, every year, until I moved out.

A sexless marriage is the fault of whoever is denying their partner without cause, cheating isn't the answer but since men have absolutely no ground to stand on and since they can't beat their wives for not giving them a peaceful option, it's not weird when it ends up happening. If the sexes were more equal in standing and there were more just social consequences for breaking the marriage contract then this would be a non-issue, but since the woman is ALWAYS the presumed innocent one there is absolutely nothing men can do if they are getting told to suck it up because the woman you thought loved you turned into a frigid bitch for no real reason.

>>85837465
Check them TFRs across the globe yo

>>85838631
>This is a tactic women do when they want to divorce someone but they don't want to be the one to initiate the divorce because they're afraid of social backlash
If she does it print it on t-shirt and wear to the work.

>>85837407
>Women thinks that doing daily chores that a guy would need to do anyway to survive is worthy of respect
>They just magically think that when they are doing 50/50, the half of the time she isn't around means that no one is taking care of HER kids or chores
This is like asking for a trophy because you brush your teeth on a regular basis. There is a difference between being thankful that your partner eases your daily burden and respecting them for actually doing something worthy of respect or do you seriously think that wiping your ass every day after you take a shit is worthy of respect?

>>85837233
Babysitters? Nannies? Sure it doesnt come as spontaneously but you can absolutely plan around having kids and trying to have sex with your spouse still. These people are rich ffs not some struggling household that has no space and no ability to hire people to look after their kids.

She probably lost libido or something after pregnancy and never addressed it so then the husband has to deal with her consequences.

>>85837521
That's not entirely true, by volume, women ATTEMPT more suicides but men make the most SUCCESSFUL attempts at it. There was a separate study done on the thing at it pointed out two weird facts about suicide
>Women are only about 60% successful at it while men are about 80% which means that more men die of suicide even when their amount of attempts were lower than womens
>Women for some reason always gravitated towards the least effective means of suicide while men often gravitated towards not just the most effective but at times most painful means of suicide that were guaranteed to leave permanent damage if the attempt was unsuccessful

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>>85837077
>Can't he just divorce and be a slut afterwards?
Oh hey kids and wife, I'm gonna burn 2/3rds of my wealth, destroy my family and brand because your mother stopped following her "to have and to hold" part of the wedding vows.
>But hey, even though my life is destroyed atleast I didn't cheat... I'm just a sexist asshole for wanting to turn my wife into a hecking sex slave by expecting her to have sex with me like she vowed to.
vs
>Yeah I'm gonna have a fling to do what my wife refuses to since she doesn't physically want me anymore because the divorce punishment is EXACTLY the same if I were to leave her to begin with. It's not right and I'm not proud but hopefully she doesn't learn or care and I can keep my family together for my kids.

What I want to know is what the fuck is she mad about? You weren't fucking him. You weren't gonna start fucking him. He still took care of you and your family....Do you throw a tantrum when someone does your laundry for you?
>>85837097
A woman has zero excuse for a dead bedroom because all it ever boils down to is "BUT I DON'T WANNA"
Who cares. You have a duty, put some lube and make it happen and if you want to make it end faster make it sexy.
Women are so fucking entitled they literally refuse to do the bare minimum because they think everything exists just to make them happy and serve them like a false god.

>>85837077
If you are not putting out, men are more then justified in cheating fuck I would do the same thing. Marriage traditionally is a deal where men get sex and to pass on their genes and women get provision and protection.

>>85838134
No guy thinks like this unless he is an unironic pshyco, another anon already pointed out the process that goes through a guys head if his wife goes cold turkey on him without giving a good reason for why.
>We used to fuck before and now she doesn't even want to touch me
>Did I do something wrong?
>Is she sick?
>Did she ever truly love me?
>What if she never loved me and just used me for money/status/kids?
>What if she leaves me and takes half of what I have?
>What if she takes the kids!?
>Do I just find someone else and start over?
>But what about the kids?
>What the fuck am I supposed to do!?

I've known a few guys who ended up like this and all of them said almost exactly these things to me in private

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>>85837063
>Women truly just want to be able to do anything and give nothing back.
This is so fucking true and Hila is the prime example of this.
What does she do?
What is her personality?
>Muh Teddy Fresh clothing
Who have you seen ever where that shit IRL?
IT'S A MERCH SHOP FOR THE PODCAST SHE DOES NOTHING ON.
>But she didn't do anything wrong
No, she refused to do her duty as a wife. Then she made a huge public spectical about it killing the show, the clothing line, and the person who is supporting them's ability to support them cause "grrrr I'm big mad someone fucked the husband I don't want to fuck for years."
And when she drives him to suicide via divorce rape she'll cry victim for what she caused.
Fuck this stupid bitch

>>85837077
Actually if you're married, cheating on the down low if you can't get sex is the right move. Kids get fucked up when a marriage is broken apart.

Once again, it's the woman's fault for not putting out.

ethan had tamara playing with his fuckinng kids. thats fucking rotten i dont care what you trhink about the bounds of their marriage or whatever. having your side piece play with your kids infront of your wife ur cheating on in secret is disgusting.

>>85837077
i want you to answer very directly: how is a man allowed to behave in such a marriage that is in his own best interest?

for some reason, the default position in a lot of these conversations starts with the man already working against his own interests.

>>85837557
Sex IS love. If you love your man you should want sex as much as him. It's the purest expression of love, it's desire. If you don't love your man, you should not be together.

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It's honestly imsane to me how easy and straightforward it is to keep a marriage together as a woman. Literally just give a 15 minute blowjob once a week. That's it. No guesswork involved, no randomness, no real physical effort, no financial investment, not any significant time investment. Just one consistent habit, once a week, for 15 minutes, and you're basically guaranteed a loyal and happy marriage. And they still won't fucking do it.

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>>85839620
>Literally just give a 15 minute blowjob once a week.
It's even less effort than that.
Just get the lube, bend over and let him go at it.
Doing this once a week is good enough for 95% of men to be loyal and continue fulfilling their duties as a husband and father.
But nope, they are entitled to every sexual encounter being nothing less than the most perfect make believe scenario in their minds and anything less than that is rape and abuse.

I'm so fucking sick of women's victim mentality.
Oh and don't you DARE say it's her fault for completely shutting down sexually and putting no effort into anything. She is an angel and her husband should have magically knew the perfect time, moment, and thing to say and do to make he pussy wet.
How dare a husband expect sex from his wife.
What is sad is I have seen marriages where the woman doesn't put out, then will not let her husband masturbate or watch porn or watch anything that is too sexy because she is insecure and sad.
Bitch, you aren't my mother.
And you aren't putting out.
The only thing keeping you from being thrown away like the trash you are is you will cry to the courts and they will give you half my shit with 0 regard for you being mentally ill and unwilling to do anything to fix it.

I'm glad all the Liberal bullshit of the last 100 years is starting to fall apart on a macro level. Good fucking riddance

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>>85839579
>ethan had tamara playing with his fuckinng kids. thats fucking rotten i dont care what you trhink about the bounds of their marriage or whatever. having your side piece play with your kids infront of your wife ur cheating on in secret is disgusting
Oh no it's so wrong Ethan acted like nothing was happening because he was trying to keep his family together while his wife neglected his sexual needs and felt no obligation to even try and fix it.

So much better than Hila publicly outted what happened for internet pity points and then destroyed their family cause she was super duper angy.
Fucking women will stay hung up on the dumbest shit to justify destroying their kids lives.
>>85839328
>She probably lost libido or something after pregnancy and never addressed it so then the husband has to deal with her consequences.
This is what pisses me off. Women are so spoiled they don't just think "well I mean I could just lube up and bend over so he can handle things in the mean time and while I try to see what I can do to fix this, he will be happy"
No, Hila basically said "well I had three of your kids so I don't care."
They're your kids too Hila, and the vow isn't to have and to hold unless I have multiple children then you must live as a sexless gimp forever.

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>>85837134
If you're a man divorcing your wife because she won't have sex with you you're going to get absolutely destroyed in court. Its fucked up ofc since she's the one who violated her marriage vows, but that's how it is. A woman shouldn't be able to entrap her husband into celibacy at threat of slavery.

>>85837153
See what I said above. Sex is a part of the marital contract. In medieval society, a man having erectile dysfunction was considered grounds for a woman divorcing him, since he was not capable of fulfilling his marital vows.

All of this is stupid anyways. If you're not going to have sex with your spouse, why do you even care if they cheat on you? Obviously no sane person would care. If her refusing to put out for years is true, then in all likelihood her decision to blow everything up was some strategic powerplay who's end we have not seen.

>>85837063
ugly jews