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>>85839858
all men deserve this because they all cheat. some women never cheat but they always lose in the end, because all men cheat.

>>85839864
Men cheat because women withdraw sexual intimacy after securing resources/marriage and no longer having any pressure to uphold their end of the deal

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>>85839864
I don't cheat, I'm an honest polygynist. I am very up front about wanting to be with multiple girls in a committed relationship. I'm not a coward who needs to sneak around behind his woman's back.

>>85839893
that's a cope if i've ever seen one male creatutes cheat all the time even if their wives give fuckinh daily blowjobs.

even good women should force themselved to cheat because ALL men eventually cheat. it's never worth it to be the cuck lmao.

>>85839864
my father has never cheated.
granted he's now stuck in >>85839893 type of relationship with my autistic mother so i'm surprised he never has.

Women shouldn't have kids anymore precisely because you lose everything if you do it. Can't have sex for 3 weeks after giving birth? Get instantly cheated on.

Always cheat on the non woman creature first before he does it. Because he will.

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>>85839864
this is true, I cheated on my first waifu Makise Kurisu with many other anime waifus since then and I don't even feel bad

>>85839864
ooh Good way to start the thread let me get my popcorn

>>85839858
New retard trend: thinking every single evolutionary mechanism is manifested subconsciously. People are perfectly fine adapting to their conditions and be driven by other forces. Suddenly being a soft white color worker is more desirable..there were even polyandrous societies that praised female promiscuity..What risk are you talking about in the conditions of modern day contraception? And you think women would rather let go off the hot guys after one night rather than lock them down? Especially if he fucks well? Cause we aren't talking about the scenario where she has to be Fwb with a chad, it's her imaginary scenario in which she has a complete choice and power.

>>85840051
>let me get my popcorn
The type of shit a atheist reddit faggot would post after commenting "the bible is complete fiction lol".

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>>85840056
>Suddenly being a soft white color worker is more desirable
lel
>We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2017.12.008

every inch of our body was made for evolutionary pressures and lives of ancestral past, modern life is temporary off tracking since neolithic revolution, stop coping

>>85840023
I agree. It's precisely because men can't respect women. No matter how much better she'd be than him. Every single female is a filler character to them. They can't admire female gods and despite being le independent thinker almost never come to conclusion to join a female-dominated religion,for example. All the complaining about polygamy goes down to: you must give me your rare, deeply internalized and genuine affection in exchange for mine that I would give to anyone at the moment

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Am I the only guy who completely doesn't care if my girl finds me physically attractive? Even when my ex would try to pay me compliments, it did nothing for me. I want her to find me attractive, I just know my attractive quality is my brain and my personality, not my body.

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>>85840079
Pretty off topic but yeah I'm not black since you asked

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>>85840108
it's based on opposite gender attraction, you won't get it, women do not have opposite gender attraction, just gross person specific general attachment - just friend+.

>>85840095
What a retard. What exactly does a salary chart prove? That effeminate soft office workers that would be eaten alive in the stone age is suddenly attractive? I said those mechanisms don't work subconsciously, everyone is perfectly aware of their conditions. There's 0 risk of getting knocked up by a one night stand. Rates of cuckoldry are lower than ever thanks to condoms. On top of that women are perfectly aware of slut shaming and will withhold sex from a desirable guy because they actually want him. Sometimes a hookup is the only way to get the chad dick but if she states that she'd want to fuck him long term over fucking him once in her own fantasy where she has the complete power there's no broootal evolutionary truth

>>85840141
Read my message twice and reread after each sentence please

>>85840111
If they think this about you it means they're much more likely to cheat and/or monkey branch if CHAD appears

>>85840111
yeah it really doesn't bother me. men are providers and women are the prize. I'd say that most men are below average whereas most women are above average because they obsess over their looks so much.

except >>85840165 is absolutely correct

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>>85840141
>chart prove
that's a height chart. height was to show even supposed socially peak preference in height is still far below male interest to female.

salary info was in text.
>That effeminate soft office workers that would be eaten alive in the stone age is suddenly attractive?
Women do not have attraction to male features. That was to show association preference to resource signal, which has modern relevance since dating is a thing now.

> mechanisms don't work subconsciously, everyone is perfectly aware of their conditions. There's 0 risk of getting knocked up by a one night stand. Rates of cuckoldry are lower than ever thanks to condoms.
yet men don't want to marry sluts, and women don't want to be called slut, wonder why that is if not ancestral drive working subconsciously

>Sometimes a hookup is the only way to get the chad dick
There is no chad in women's eyes. Chad is only detected my males for fighting formalization to detect who to form coalition with. The 'chads' are feared by women. Women did not ancestrally select mate. And all evidence of good-gene tier theory went nowhere. Women can't into asking outs, their choices are just whichever minimum viable mate got to her first or she was distributed by some male rule. Women didn't choose, women's don't choose.
https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0019066
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2007.05.007

>>85840318
Fuckoff and never reply

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>>85840347
the female mind scares you

Just a failure in cross-sex communication. In the minds of people who hook up, hookups are for moderately attractive people. Marriage is for people you're highly attracted to. Marriage you're way more selective for obvious reasons. You only get one and you're actually going to reproduce with them rather than jerk each other off with your bodies temporarily. You're more selective looking for a spouse than just a random fuck buddy you'd never commit to (and may be imagining you ideal partners during the acts anyway).

If you do marriage properly, it's to only one person, while for casual sex, you do it with randos you enjoy the company of but ideally won't pair bond to. This seems common sense.

You'd think men would understand this, but instead some of them listen to dumb rp talking points. These men should instead understand that women are in fact the same species as them and many think in similar ways as they do about hooking up.

Even Hexumlite spoke of this because he's higher iq than you guys

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>>85840023
One way or another, this will be the future for foids if you keep being uppity. You can't live without men's labour. We do just fine without yours.

>>85840387
reading this gave me an ick
you gotta look into evolution and the male only concern of paternal uncertainty risks. birth controls and knowing about menstrual cycle started 2 days ago, humans were optimized for a different world

>>85839858
Fuck, how stupid must a person be to not understand that's a huge insult to the guy?

"I would never hook up with you."
"I would never consider a FWB with you."

That's exactly equivalent to saying she doesn't find him hot enough to want a hookup with him, or to ever consider FWB. How can somebody possibly think that's a compliment?

>>85840387
>In the minds of people who hook up, hookups are for moderately attractive people. Marriage is for people you're highly attracted to.

That's just simply false. Hookups rarely occur unless the woman thinks the guy is hot and wants to get in his pants. Marriage is reserved for someone that she finds good compatibility with, and can be a good partner with -- and in many cases, the woman doesn't necessarily think the guy is hot at first, but she eventually realizes that he's compatible with her and would make a safe husband. And in the modern era, marriage is often for women who have hit the wall and are forced to settle for a beta provider, after having spent her 20s having hookups with sexy Chads.

>>85840435
>we do just fine without women giving birth or running households.
Lmao'd. Whiny male epidemic.

>>85840919
>doesn't do housework
>doesn't give birth
what are you?

>>85840975
>can't build a house
>can't provide for a family
Male = useless.

>>85841010
Yeah, I can do both of those things. Why would I though? Women aren't upholding their end of the bargain.

>>85840911
The problem is you are talking about practicality while the woman in the OP picrel was talking about her fantasy in which she obviously has all the control and power. The same way males fantasize about being picky even when they can't be irl, the same way teenage boys talk about which classmate they'd bang and which one they'd marry even when no one wants them

>>85841020
0% of men do, no reason to. Why destroy your body for someone who doesn't need to do anything and then wants a 50/50 life. Just get a roommate at that point.

i i were that womans boyfriend, i wouldnt have reacted with such anger
this is because the kind of man she describes wanting to marry one defined by his wealth or social status often lacks any genuine appeal as a man
men like this frequently end up getting divorced if their businesses fail or their social standing declines

>>85841051
How do you know what she means? She's fantasizing. You guys routinely complain that women are delusionally waiting for the perfect wealthy Chad yet you think in her own fantasies she'd be thinking about settling and weighting all pros and cons?

>>85841063
All those takes are a direct result of autism

>>85839858
yeah but if you think abt it from the foid perspective marriage is what they want most. I can see what she meant but yeah drinking on top of all that probably made it come out wrong

>>85840134
Atheists believe in
>900 genders
>men getting pregnant
>taking 40 vax shots for a non-lethal flu
High iq

>>85840474
No, human knowledge of conception and menstruation has been around for a long time. Your ancestors were most likely not compete idiots. People have known how to have casual sex while controlling pregnancy risk for many millennia.

The paternal uncertainty thing applies only within relationships or with close partner switching. This explains why the data shows that, while casual sex in the past year may decrease odds of marriage, body count in the deep past is unlikely to prevent someone from getting married.

Basically people have different eras of life. Obviously it's best to marry as a virgin for both sexes, but realistically, it doesn't end up being a dealbreaker for most people if you've done casual sex before.

All I was doing in my post was explaining this, that women and men both get horny and sometimes have promiscuous phases. Whether you think that's moral or not is another story, but rp talking points aren't going to work on someone who knows better

>>85840911
>That's just simply false. Hookups rarely occur unless the woman thinks the guy is hot and wants to get in his pants.
This is absolutely wrong. I am a woman, yes biological, and have polled women on this exact question. Physical attraction needs to be above a certain bar, yes, but it's more about people you're comfortable with after that point. Physical attraction alone is not the biggest thing whatsoever.

In fact the hottest guys are way more intimidating because there's a chance you might pair bond to them and they'll leave you. These are obviously the wrong guys to fuck casually. Men often do the same thing, hook up with women they have some attraction to but won't get attached to.

I didn't realize some men were this dumb about this topic when the answer is so obvious. It's really on you if you choose not to listen dude, if you decide to be willfully ignorant

>>85841240
>physical attraction is an absolutely unyielding filter that goes first out of everything
>you only even get to have a shot at passing the 'personality' filter if you're hot enough to hook up with
>but looks don't really matter though,
>because i know i'll fall in love with megachad and get hurt when he pump and dumps me
>so i stick with the 8-9/10s who are just "good enough"

>>85839858
No, the female equivalent would be "you're not hot, but you're not ugly", or "It's true that they say you'll find happiness with an average girl"

Idk. Women are very superficial, and as such, implying to any degree that they are less than your entire world, is usually enough to destroy their egos and make them want to leave the relationship l

>>85841240
I think missing from this conversation is the cycle people go through in their love life. At first, they are romantic idealists, but naive. For women, this means they make the mistake of thinking they can keep the guy they want by sleeping with him. For men, this means they make the mistake of thinking they can keep the girl they want by being romantic. Both approaches backfire, and women are forced over time to be more conservative in how they give out sex, and men are forced to become more conservative in how they give out love. Both go through a period of treating sex as meaningless (sure, for men this is often merely in using porn and hating women), disconnecting sex from love until they feel the need to seek love again. But even though their own attitude towards sex has changed, they still hold hurt feelings against each other for their entire sexual past. Men take women's sexual history as proof that their love is unreliable, even while men take their own sexual history as proof that sex can be separated from love. Women hold men's sexual history as evidence that their love is merely a tool to get sex, even though women's own sexual history shows sex without love. Both men and women, protecting themselves, refuse to give out what their love interest wants until he/she proves that he/she's for real this time, men wanting proof that she wants him and no other before he gives his love, and women wanting proof that he will commit to her even without sex before she gives him sex.

>>85839864
Retarded foid logic at work

>>85841414
>but looks don't really matter though,
Looks matter a lot for both short and long term and I put that in my post. Almost every flaw is now either manageable or fixable in the big '26. It's up to you if you make something of your opportunities.

>>85841518
High iq and profound post, saving for later.
No notes. This is actually great

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>>85841212
>The chance of bearing a child after marriage was atleast 17% higher in women who have knowledge on the ovulation cycle as compared to women who are ignorant about the ovulation cycle after controlling for other factors
https://doi.org/10.11564/30-2-860
Men are the one who initiates all the time, and men can't tell shit about when ovulation happens even modern day
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.yhbeh.2022.105202
Also you think women were largely in position to refuse sex in ancestral past in private context?

From (Lassek & Gaulin, 2022):
>In Binford's (2001) sample of 339 hunter-gatherer groups, females married at an average age of 14 years, and the mean was also 14 in another sample of 124 (Marlowe & Berbesque, 2012).

and from (Marlowe & Berbesque, 2012) citing the same:
> The mean age at first marriage is 14 years for females [...] and 21 years for males [...]

and pairing by female choice
https://doi.org/10.1371/journal.pone.0019066
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2007.05.007

Modern marriage/relationships are larps of convenience that lasts few years on average if they are being honest. In ancestral past, there was never an opportunity for females to have promiscuous phase. And males that attempted if caught would be killed. Females risked infanticide lowering paternal uncertainty by hooking up with other men or being directly or indirectly killed by her own family to remove reputation risk which would leave other kin-females worse fate with their mates.

Paternal uncertainty thing is not a conscious thing, it's baked in and decides most sexual relationship and mixed dynamics.
>women and men both get horny and sometimes have promiscuous phases
opposite gender sexual attraction exists for male to detect current fertility and distance to menopause. men's body directly do not provide any valuable info. women have involuntary attachments in post-paired like state but they never come in casual form. female casual interest is a lie.

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>>85840860
>How can somebody possibly think that's a compliment?
town bike iq
whorationality
slutoicism

>>85841686
>and pairing by female choice
and pairing was not by female choice

>>85841518
And that is why it's not worth dating anymore after about age 25

>>85841742
Nvm, gotta delete and repost, misread that the second was responding to me

>>85841240
>>85841518
I will say though (sorry, guess this is a note) that it's an observation of the average. I think you kind of covered women having sex just out of horniness with
>Women hold men's sexual history as evidence that their love is merely a tool to get sex, even though women's own sexual history shows sex without love.
So it's apparent that women who've had casual sex often do it without pair bonding before or after. I am an example of this. I obviously didn't target men I had the most feelings for for casual sex.

>>85841759
So you're a hypergamous whore. Tits or GTGO

>>85841805
What's with hypergamy becoming a big meme? I'm a guy and it feels very unmasculine to complain that women seek the best men. They should.

None of this is real, is purely pseudo-science and all of you (inc. Men) fall for it. None of this is real at all, you just stare at a screen that says this and partake in conversation over it. Your actions and instincts are completely taken over by Babylon.com. Please wake the fuck up. That is all. /thread

>>85841686
>Men are the one who initiates all the time
Not true, and if this is true for you, I feel bad for you.
>men can't tell shit about when ovulation happens
Men have subtle cues that work subconsciously, sometimes even consciously too. Women get more attractive and smell different at various times on their cycles, and plenty of men know their partners' cycles.
>you think women were largely in position to refuse sex in ancestral past in private context?
Within marriage, often rape was not harshly punished if at all, but women often had some level of input or method of getting out of marriages if they did not like the partner choice. Arranged marriage is not the same as forced marriage, and it would be a nightmare if it were.
Allowing even more female choice than this baseline is also part of why we developed further though. More mating options and higher female selectivity changes both genetic and cultural pressures on men in positive ways.
>In Binford's (2001) sample
This one isn't representive data. Better quality data typically finds a late teens average female marriage age and somewhere in the 20s for men, and even then, they didn't always produce children right away, especially the tribes that practiced younger marriages.
>and pairing by female choice
Not sure what you're saying here.
>Modern marriage/relationships are larps of convenience that lasts few years on average if they are being honest.
Even with all the bs of modern times, and the perverse divorce laws, and the overly promiscuous norms, most first marriages still don't end in divorce. In fact, divorce rates have declined from rhe peak around boomers' time.
>In ancestral past, there was never an opportunity for females to have promiscuous phase. And males that attempted if caught would be killed.
Promiscuity for both men and women varied by group, but premarital and extramarital sex were common findings for both men and women depending on the tribe.
1/2

>>85839858
the female equivalent is admitting 18-20 year olds are objectively hotter

>>85842049
>18-20 year olds are objectively hotter
and it's not even close. Even the average 22 year old gets absolutely mogged by a hot 19 year old.

>>85841686
>>85842044
2/2
>Paternal uncertainty thing is not a conscious thing
It has been for a long time now, and men I'm sure talk about it in these tribes too.
>it's baked in and decides most sexual relationship and mixed dynamics.
I would say not really except along a few lines. People, both men and women, sometimes larp as if things like body count are very important. In reality it's rarely a real dealbreaker. Like I said, partner count within the last year definitely matters, and on both ends, because the male may have to provision resources indefinitely for any unknown offspring that come up in that time too.
But body count in the deep past? It matters in the divorce stats and for the quality of the relationship, but ultimately most people decide they'd rather have someone they're attracted to physically and compatible with than hold out for someone with a "purer" past that they don't wine with as much. Obsession with sexual past is mostly a zoomer larp by guys insecure about their own histories.
>men's body directly do not provide any valuable info
Men's bodies provide fertility, youth, and development cues as well, which is why women and men both care heavily about appearance when picking a spouse

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>>85842057
there are extremely rare exceptions to this, but I couldn't explain what exactly it is that makes them exceptions and it's probably entire luck/genetic

>>85841805
You're wrong and >>85841860 is right.
Keep begging for boobs online instead of looksmaxxing ig

>>85842093
*Don't vibe as much with

>>85839858
Had they both been whores this wouldn't be an issue. Quit teaching people to hide themselves and you stop getting problems like these.

>>85842093
I find the idea of settling very troubling. I know it's just an acknowledgement of the reality of scarcity, but that doesn't make it any less unjust in my mind. My only solace is to ask myself why I think I deserve so much, and then in turn to commit myself to becoming as worthy as possible in my own eyes. If I want any right to be upset at the guilt of the world, I have to be blameless of that guilt.

>>85841118
I didn't say any of that but okay mudboi

>>85841518
I mean, in the case of many of the men here there is literally no sexual history to speak of. When you are alone and have never had any experience, you don't even have the opportunity to interact with a real external object. All that incels have is a representation which they put onto real women when what they are dealing with is really their own mental image carrying their various inadequacies, anxieties, and desires. For example, the belief that women who have much easier access to casual sex want to sleep with many different sexual partners and would only stop to "settle". This is a reduction and simplification of what women want that is only probable in the simulated reality of their mind. Most women are actually serial monogamists and only occasionally engage in casual sex; for those that do engage in casual sex, it is almost never as pleasureable as sex within an intimate relationship. Women are significantly more sexually active within a relationship than outside of a relationship.

However, women do have their own issues and project all the time in turn. For women on here they should probably ask themselves a difficult question: If they can't see past their own experience, is it really so surprising that lonely undersocialized men can't either?

>>85842223
The purpose of sex is having children. People who believe otherwise are genetic dead ends.

>>85842223
Right, I'm pointing to both sides of the fence: each person's own sexual history, and the sexual history they attribute to the opposite sex due to their bad experiences. For an incel, the latter probably comes from some girl he liked who fucked an asshole guy, and thus the incel became disillusioned with women being creatures of love rather than creatures of sex. But even for the former, an incel still has relevant sexual history in his use of porn. He doesn't love the women he jacks off to, but he uses them for sexual gratification. So in other words, if he holds it against women that they sleep around for sexual gratification, then he is no better.

>>85842214
>I find the idea of settling very troubling.
Same. I used to consider settleships and marriages of convenience, but I realized I couldn't make myself do it and wouldn't want that norm for society. It's ideal if kids are born to parents who are deeply in love with each other. Sometimes those situations still fail because humans are human, but a settleship is just giving up before things even begin
>My only solace is to ask myself why I think I deserve so much, and then in turn to commit myself to becoming as worthy as possible in my own eyes.
I've worked a lot on this as well. I look unrecognizably better than my past self, even though I'm now older than what the prime age is for most people, so I had to fight off a bad development as well as small signs of aging starting to pop up.
I've also become highly educated in a field I'm passionate about and earned a decent-paying remote job that I can balance with moving for love and eventually being a mother (if I am still working at that point).

>>85841860
best guy for you isn't hypergamy. status money maxxing whorism is

>>85839858
Women are such chimps, this foid did that on purpose to emasculate the beta sucker but freaked out he saw through it. Women will literally never stop mentally abusing betas for fun, they are primitive evil beast.

>>85842272
>having sex with real people is the same as watching porn
You're retarded. Do not post on 4chan anymore to not lower the collective IQ.

>>85841805
You realize you're talking to an h1b indian guy who works at a gas station right?

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>>85842044
>>85842093
>I feel bad for you, you are such an incel *giggles*, women loooooks into guys eyes, and stands right next to them as choice, women chooses so hard you wouldn't believe
>lemme ignore research finding and declare it's false
>arranged marriage at 14 by parents and males? females totally had a choice chud and choices are based and redpilled and therefore evolution worked I want the world to be
>not quality data chud, I have better quality data but I'll never ever share them
:/

>most first marriages still don't end in divorce
>>85840046 the bottom pic shows my point, this is early marrige. there are many papers on this topic, women's interest goes down, they remain. it's a larp
>remarital and extramarital sex were common findings
age of first marrige for female is 14
>Obsession with sexual past is mostly a zoomer larp by guys insecure about their own histories
literally all theories of sexual patterns in primates and humans where one sex have coercive power is based around paternal uncertainty calculations. modern explanation of intimate partner rape and sexual violence is related to perceived paternal uncertainty risk as well, it's not a zoomer thing.
>most decide they'd rather have someone they're attracted to physically and compatible with
you don't understand men, men are physically highly attracted to literally 100% of non-obsese reproductive aged female, by bodily signals that tracks age til menopause - so younger better and bodily signal that shows current fertility like signals like a set of fat deposits at right places, men given the opportunity would take all women for themselves. compatibility is not a real thing of consideration for men unless they have been socialized like women
>Men's bodies provide fertility, youth, and development cues as well
men don't have menopause, men don't give birth that get stuck more if first birth age is old, this reason makes little sense. dev cue is true in extremes like disability or very short height

>>85841042
I dont think I've ever seen a female house builder and I've known plenty of Mexicans and a few guys who made their own house with help from a buddy or two

>>85839858
The female equivalent of this would be "You're the type of girl I would actually marry, not the one I would brag about to my friends."

>>85842520
I mean, people can choose to believe me that the better data was updated or not. Optimal outcomes for the infant don't peak until adulthood for women, and people can look up what the ethnographic data now shows instead of relying on data that was just barely cracking the 2000s in a rapidly evolving field.
Women typically married later, and for Northern Europeans, quite a bit later, than what you're suggesting, and this is the optimal norm. (Modern norm of nearer 30+ isn't optimal either, just need to have time for development, production, and proper partner selection.)
>literally all theories of sexual patterns in primates and humans where one sex have coercive power is based around paternal uncertainty calculations. modern explanation of intimate partner rape and sexual violence is related to perceived paternal uncertainty risk as well
These are pretty sweeping statements. Paternal uncertainty factors into mating calculations, but objectively not nearly as much as things like looks and miscellaneous compatibility markers. It's just objectively not that important in the mating data apart from looking at outright infidelity or recent casual sex.
For lower primates, the share determined by paternal uncertainty may be higher, since inhibition is lower, and they also don't have to worry as much about things like personal compatibility as humans do.
>men are physically highly attracted to literally 100% of non-obsese reproductive aged female
Self-own/self-report imo.
>men don't give birth that get stuck more if first birth age is old
Men shoot worse quality sperm with age. The dna damage in sperm goes up in age more than it does with eggs. Men may not have menopause, but the quality of their seed declines and gets less fertile with time too. They also have a lesser ability with time to secure a prime-age range mate who will stay with them.
Old men going for very large age gaps set themselves up for higher risks of both divorce and offspring illnesses

>>85842589
ouch
right in the kisser

Apologize to Islam and every Muslim in the world right now

>>85840010
You're going to meet a good man one day, cheat on him, and then reco-

Oh no, knowing you, you're always looking for the worst in everyone except yourself

>>85839858
Heavy on the internet exposure. The deepest layers of girl talk/ men's locker room talk should have never became an open air market. It was integral in holding gneder civility together.

What broke me was the Claire Gloryhole shoot. A stark reminder that even an medium ugly midwestern giggly nerdy girl, which would be the absolute best a 4chan browser could ever do, swallowed 15 loads from strangers and fucked 6 of them raw. It's basically over.

>>85842715
>Optimal outcomes for the infant don't peak until adulthood for women, and people can look up what the ethnographic data now shows instead of relying on data that was just barely cracking the 2000s in a rapidly evolving field
that pic is from a 2021 paper https://doi.org/10.1177/14747049211039506 and there were specific reason for using those data but it's poinless

>people can choose to believe me that the better data was updated or not
you really should've stayed at reddit, this and few other bangers could've gotten some updoot

where are you going to find more accurate recent compilation data of people living in ancestral like condition to measure age at first marriage for female, there are far fewer living own their own in 2026

I don't feel like bothering with the rest, you are probably underage

>>85841860
youre right its really manly and cool to support women no matter what they do. womens "best men" selection is mostly violent criminals etc and not anything resembling good choices for themselves, their children, or humanity as a whole on any level

>>85839858
>someone posts the equivalent of "you would be my pick for Marry in Fuck-Marry-Kill"
>REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
I've seen threads on here a billion times worse and with much higher frequency. The fuck are people even mad about?

>>85843022
The ethnographic data part was about marriage ages. The study you were citing for that was from 2001 and other papers referencing it. The info is outdated and what I provided is more accurate.

>>85839858
>woman that goes to reddit to talk about her relationship issues with bf

already a ruined woman. it's over for any woman that browses/posts on reddit because they aren't even gossiping with their friends, they are going to the internet. has nothing to do with "men were never meant to know," men always seek answers.

>>85840387
Ideally you would marry someone you hook up with, every other arrangement is trash.

>>85840134
>Atheism predates Christianity by 300 years
Try 180,000 years.

We didn't invent gods until the early neolithic era.

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>>85839864
you deserve these nuts on your chin

>>85839864
this is statistically and logically impossible.
if all men cheat, all men would not be virgins.

some men are virgins.
thus not all men cheat.

only certain men cheat
the men who can cheat
which is only a small small small percentage.

you will always be cheated on.

>>85840111
i dont give a fuck about the woman at all, as long as im getting exactly what i want.

cook, clean, serve, fuck, and dont be retarded.

if she fails at any of those i just replace her or have a side girl until she gets her shit together or leaves.

also protip, never dump a girl. ALWAYS cheat or find a side girl. it requires 10% of the effort to pull extra bitches if youre cheating than if you are single. and you dont owe a bitch who isnt performing humane treatment.

>>85844980
>it requires 10% of the effort to pull extra bitches if youre cheating than if you are single.
How so?
I mean I agree with you that you should always just cheat instead of dumping, but are you telling the other cunt you're already in a relationship or what?

>>85843316
>what I provided is more accurate
where is your fucking link, or was this revealed in your dreams?

>>85840010
See this is why all men need to cheat because all women are just looking for justifications to cheat, so you might as well cuck her before she cucks you.

>>85839864
You should beat your wife daily. You wont know why, but she will.

>>85845117
cuck mentality, you are suppose to try to keep her and get an additional gfs at the same time. women are impossible to cuck biologically too.

>>85839858
Thank god I have never been this dude in a relationship. If a chick I was dating told me this I would dump her immediately. Have some dignity bro.

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>>85845007
both men and women rate anyone as more attractive when that person is paired with a partner. but since women are effectively non-heterosexual when single, it is one of the only thing that really catches their attention and interest - specially if the paired female is perceived as attractive. this behavior is also found in few other animals other than humans.

>women rate men 12.1% more attractive/ desirable when in the presence of women with favorable characteristics
>women were rated 13.8% (p < 0.05) more attractive when in the presence of males with more favorable characteristics
https://doi.org/10.1007/s40750-018-0099-y

This is from pairing pictures together in lab and cross verifying stuff. So if unfamiliar, the current gf needs to be around or mentioned for effect, if familiar already, just time - women's heterosexuality do not activate without distance closing and time.

>>85839858
The discourse around this was fucking hysterical. Women just can't fucking imagine men want to be desired and complimented on their looks, because they think 99% of men are hideous and just exist to provide.

You could very easily reverse the genders and see how telling a girl that you're with her because she's mature instead of hot might be taken as a huge insult, but women still dug their feet in and insisted the girl complimented him.

> brutal darwinian machinations
You gotta be a nigger. You can't possibly translate a girls completely innocent assumption that you see world same as her (which is that marriage has higher standards than hookups) as a "machination". There are no machinations here, just two really dumb people assuming stupid shit about each other. She did not mention anywhere that she finds him physically unattractive. You are just assuming shit due to your own insecurity or something, projecting your trauma unto her. Crazy how men will claim that they are not "mind readers" and yet make hundreds of posts seething based on nothing but faulty "mindreading". You are a fucking spastic child or a person with medical idiocy. You literally do not pass the basic mind theory test. The woman who tells you this shit about you being marriage material has no fucking idea that you spent last 30 years jerking off to your chadsona exploiting women, she unfortunately assumes a simple thing that being called a good person is good.
Women really have no idea just how deeply psychopathic men are, like even if he behaves well know all of them secretly want to be billionaires destroying this world and hosting epstein events. None of them actually want to just live a happy life with a family, anything but being epstein is prison for psychotic male spirit.

>>85839858
Imagine being such an insecure faggot that having your gf tell you a slight faux-pas (if that) that you need 'time to think' about things, jfc. Zoomers are beyond saving.

>>85845295
No one is calling him mature over hot olr anything of that kind. If you told a woman that she is marriage, not hookup, material that would be taken as compliment, flat and clear. End of story

>>85845740
What if you're more direct and tell her you'd never approach her sexually but she seems safe and easy enough to settle down with? Since it's the same thing.

>>85845722
marriage is beta-cucking for men, persistent sex is the highest standard

men don't want to be in the net attracted for being the best beta-bucker, he could've just gotten prostitute with the money instead of investing time/money/effort on her if it was beta-buck maxxing that got her to him. the next dude that can beta-buck more will have her, so he needs to focus hard on beta-bucking so she doesn't leave

>inb4 women are saints
>We found that ratings of attractiveness were around 1000 times more sensitive to salary for females rating males, compared to males rating females.
https://doi.org/10.1016/j.evolhumbehav.2017.12.008

>>85845722
>marraige has a higher standard than hookup
For women its the opposite though, the threshold to put out immediately is higher than the threshold of men they'll have sex with in exchange for stability and support. By saying "I wouldnt hookup with you but I would marry you" she is saying "you have to earn this pussy that I would give for free to hotter men", any other reading is dishonesty or cope

>>85845729
>Id fuck hotter men for free
>its nice that you provide for me though, that does enough to earn my body teepee
>bro how do zoomers have a problem with this
>t. The weak men who made the hard times

>>85845058
I'm not posting links just because you demand. I don't care what you believe. Anyone curious enough can look into it. I don't have them on hand atm and don't wanna write a university essay on are none kay right now.

>>85845740
Men have higher standards for relationships than they do hookups, women are the reverse. Of course its a compliment to women that you would marry them over hooking up, its understood that men will hookup with things that make them puke. The inverse is true with women though, they only hookup with men that are so attractive the sexual attraction alone is enough to warrant sex.

>>85845740
If I told a woman I wouldn't hookup with her or be FWBs with her but I would marry her, I don't think she would take that as a compliment. She'd call me an incel chud manchild who wants a bangmaid to do everything for me

>>85845941
this is incorrect

shes saying his only worth is his money and that he isnt attractive enough to risk being a single mom for.

its pure insult, and since women only see the world from their perspective, they cant understand that.

>>85839858
In the name of the Mother, the Daughter and the Divine Feminine all excess males are hereby sentenced to natural selection.
>>85839864
This. We really need a war to finally get rid of these pieces of shit.

>>85845729
imagine being such a bitch that you put up with your gf basically telling you to your face you're unattractive

>>85845974
You have the reading comprehension of a fish fucking nigger

>>85845987
The war is going to end with wealth and power hyper centralized into a collection of men that will enact handmaidens tale on you, minus the part where they're handsome

>>85845974
Why do some people on here assume that every woman is a protohuman idiot?

Anyone half decent who ever engages in casual sex wouldn't dare bring another human into the situation, at least not intentionally. Both men and women face costs bringing a human into the world that they'd rather avoid with casual partners that they obviously hold to lower standards.

People have been able to have various forms of sex while avoiding forming children for many thousands of years. It's part of our evolutionary history. It's just become a safer bet in recent years, both wrt reproduction and disease. (It's still suboptimal for social and pair bonding reasons, and not risk free though.)

>marriage = "only worth his money"
No. Generally it means she thinks he's the only man she finds worth reproducing with. Also prenups are an option and almost always well enforced when drafted with legal help.

>>85846118
Avoid getting pregnant by a bum by... immediately having sex with them. makes sense kek

>>85846118
>People have been able to have various forms of sex while avoiding forming children for many thousands of years.
it's cute you think evolution works by equal opposite gender incentive equilibrium at any given moment. female mate mate choice is very recent meme

Pov: feminist flirting

No, women have higher standards for marriage than for hookups. Women just drop their standards on average less than men do for this, though there's a lot of variation and overlap. Plenty of women drop standards more than plenty of men.

You can see this in the real-world data: even outside marriage, women are usually the ones to end partnerships. Do you really think women would constantly be leaving Chads they just want oh so badly?

The data people use against this is highly flawed because it relies upon cold approaches, which isn't how most people go about dating or sex at all. Women are skeptical of random strange men walking up to them for a variety of obvious reasons. The initial attraction would generally have to be very high, or the woman very desperate, to agree in this kind of scenario.

What's more typical for both men and women is hooking up with people you get to know and are comfortable with, and who you don't find outright so unappealing you can't even touch them in that way. But from there, it's usually the women ending these things, not the men. Most women use premarital relationships nowadays to learn and determine what they want, and leave when they realize a mate isn't suitable for marriage.

>>85845941

>>85846189
>You can see this in the real-world data: even outside marriage, women are usually the ones to end partnerships. Do you really think women would constantly be leaving Chads they just want oh so badly?
Women dont get relationships with chad at all regularly because theres 1 chad to 20 women, retard

>>85845740
She essentially told him, "I would never lust after you, but you're stable and a good provider."

>>85846203
A casual sexual relationship is still a type of relationship. Even if you're not committed, it's still a type of relationship, and it's women who tend to end these the most at any level of relationship.

>>85839858
some women are fucking geniuses at "compliments" that expose the way they're looking at someone is incredibly dehumanizing.

it's the worst kind of insult because they're not trying to make you feel bad, they're trying to make you feel good but they legitimately view you like some kind of subhuman freak.

https://youtu.be/W7loBg6a3RI

>>85846138
People feel a desire to relieve their sex drive without bringing a kid into the world. News at 10

>>85846154
>you think evolution works by equal opposite gender incentive equilibrium at any given moment.
Not what I argued. Never said "equal"
>female mate choice is very recent meme
Woman have usually had some say in traditional tribal contexts, though limited. However even freer mate choice was one social norm that allowed places like America and Northwestern Europe to pull ahead of the rest of the world in terms of development and population progress, to the point of dominating the world stage. The incentive structures and genetic pressures are more positive in a freer market. Who would've thought?
The problem is the market isn't free enough. There are too many limits on how a marriage contract can work. People aren't allowed to rule out, say, no fault divorce, in their prenups. Allowing this would fix many problems

>>85841686
>professor chud thinks posting diagrams and graphs will finally make him a non-incel
Lol loser

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>>85845987
Cut the crap - women's selection is dysgenic.

>>85846242
Women giving up on chad because they cant get him to commit no matter how much pussy they throw at him is completely different from women ending a relationship because they cant tolerate a betabuxxer anymore and pretending otherwise shows that you are dishonest or stupid.

>>85846284
>Woman have usually had some say in traditional tribal contexts, though limited. However even freer mate choice was one social norm that allowed places like America and Northwestern Europe to pull ahead of the rest of the world in terms of development and population progress, to the point of dominating the world stage.
Europe and america did not have free choice for women, they were married off by their fathers. Almost all men and all women were married off to someone, same as in any patriarchal society. Female choice is dysgenic, depending on your definition, but certainly anti-civilizational

>>85846588
I have never heard of a real woman that I know of ending a relationship with a Chad because "he won't commit to them." Maybe like once in my entire life. But I can tell you that its common for women to move on because they realize they're not attracted enough to marry the guy, or less often, because of other reasons like a dead bedroom since he won't fuck them.

Men and women really aren't that different in this.

>>85846628
They both have largely had the freest mating markets in the world for a long while now. Women weren't simply "married off by their fathers." Parental input still mattered in some subcultures especially, and some marriages may have been arranged (not forced), but one of the defining characteristics of W.E.I.R.D. nations is their freer mate choice situation for women.
>Female choice is dysgenic
This is a dumb argument. Female mate choice is generally better than male mate choice along metrics like selecting for SES, IQ, whatever you would generally define as "eugenic." This is one of multiple why freer female mate selection helps to advance societies.

>>85839864
Men and women cheat equally, and it's usually deserved. Cheating is like applying for a job before you quit.

>>85846677
You are a liar or retarded

>>85840023
>can't have sex
Are you retarded? it's perfectly safe to have sex during pregnancy
Even if it wasn't, it doesn't mean you can't do mouth stuff or jerk each other off

>Always cheat on the non woman creature first before he does it. Because he will.
Good luck with having a happy life foid

>You're not someone I'd hookup or be a fwb with but marry.
>You're not someone who I would wife up and do romantic gestures for all the time, but I would dick you down
Same connotation.
One makes you feel like a piece of meat, and the other makes you feel like a walking wallet and doer. Men and women really are polar opposites. A woman's love language is language itself, and gestures. A mans love language is more sensory.

For a man, all the husband stuff is a necessary sacrifice to get the good stuff, which are the usual spoils of successful courting, IE a woman who will touch you and tell you she loves you. Women may not understand because they only benefit from the mans effort in courting, they don't have to experience the anxiety of not knowing if she'll be happy, or the planning and money, women are not like competitors who stand before the judge and lay their work bare to be picked apart and scrutinized.
Hookups, fwb's, they don't have to court women. They vibe, they exist naturally, and get pussy. They don't have to plan multiple dates or romantic gestures, (like I assume OP's husband had to do judging by how upset it made him), they exert no effort for pussy.
She basically told him, "you are not the type of man who could have sex with me without courting me"
He heard "I have no worth to her except my ability to court, in a world where this woman has been fucked without first courted, probably a lot."

>>85840435
being uppity has just given me more submissive slave bfs though

>>85839893
Most men get fat and bald after 40, they have erectile dysfunction and never make their wives orgasm. By that logic their wives should get free dick appointments without it being seen as adultery.

>>85840435
>We do just fine without yours.
Iceland had the entire female population go NEET for an entire day and the men were begging for their labor lmao

>>85840435
Women being uppity in the west is the reason we are not walking around like that, retard. The most submissive, pro-male women get abused the most.

i get what she meant that maybe she sees a future with him instead of him being disposable but its good to know this is like calling him a beta cos i wouldnt have known otherwise if u didnt explain it

>>85839864
Cope and seethe and dodging accountability.
Had a gf chest on me because she THOUGHT I cheated on her. I never cheated on her.
Should have seen the computation in her eyes.
>She fucked someone she didn't want to to get back at me for something I never did.
Which is how your post reads foid.
And what your kind does.
And then you still blame men.
Kill
Your
Self.

>>85847664
Wrong. Men can have as many partners and pass around as much chlamydia as they want. Women have to stay sexually unsatisfied and starfish while being a maid and babysitter, while working the same amount of hours as a man. Female sexual pleasure is a sin.

>>85847716
>cheater accused you of cheating
Why do you retards blame gender neutral behaviors on a singular gender? All of you are fucking stupid. Imagine spending all day seething at half of the planet and making your personal trauma everyone else's problem. You're like the radfems who traumadump on random men to justify abusing them.

>>85842445
Nah they are just retarded. They don't understand the mind of a man, nor they care to learn.

>>85847744
Men settle for ugly accessible women all of the time please shut the fuck up.

>>85847818
Men do not deliberately torture the women they "love"

Because men famously aren't whores who need daily sex to not cheat on their wives of 40 years.

>>85847837
I've had incels literally ask me out by telling me I'm unattractive and should date them because they can't get better.

>>85839858
>The female equivalent i guess(?)
The genderswapped equivalent would be to say:
>I would simp for other women, but you are the kind of woman I would (only) hookup with, but would never spend a dime on.

>>85843261
The worst part about it is that it implies she HAS had one night stands and friends with benefits before. AKA she's actually a massive whore, but not for you

>>85847862
not surprising, they're probably incel in part because they haven't figured out that women's #1 enemy is reality and so they should never ever tell you the truth in their life

>>85839858
>Tried to clarify
Lol, just digging herself deeper in the whole.
>Well, no honey, you don't understand. Just because I would never willingly jump your bones doesn't mean I'm not perfectly happy settling for you since you're such a good provider and easy to push around because you're a giant stupid pussy!

>>85847682
>Women being uppity in the west is the reason we are not walking around like that, retard.
No, women being uppity 4,000 years ago is the reason they're like that, retard.

>>85847675
>the men were begging for their labor lmao
No, the fuck they weren't. Most the businesses were on board for it and supported it. Why wouldn't they support their best scabs?

>>85847818
>Men settle for ugly accessible women all of the time please shut the fuck up.
Yes, but we know she doesn't want to know that.

This put her in a very interesting position. She started out just unconsciously henpecking him for being a beta, typical, and she figured nothing was wrong with this. But then something unexpected happened - he stood up for himself. This gave her a kind of psychosexual vertigo. Now, since he has proven that he respects himself and is probably willing to leave her if she treats him wrong, she no longer views him as the pathetic betabitch she saw him as before. So now she is tormented: she accidentally ran away a man she likes, due to misunderstanding who he was. Contrarily if he had accepted this she would have crystallized into her disdain of him. But what's worse is that since she is simply a retarded whore, every bit of this happened completely subconsciously and she can hardly even articulate it.

>>85845722
Blah blah you deserve to have a sex life and men don't.

>>85839858
ITT: all of you are reading this wrong, FWB and hookups means the sex is temporary or less than a month or a year, marriage means the sex will always be available for two, three decades

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>>85848219
this anon's interpretation makes the most straightforward sense to me

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>>85839864
exactly.... it's in their nature... all they think is sex sex sex
>>85842577
what manly things have YOU done though.?
>>85847527
>Are you retarded? it's perfectly safe to have sex during pregnancy
>Even if it wasn't, it doesn't mean you can't do mouth stuff or jerk each other off
you literally proving her point, lol.

>>85839858
I genuinely can't bring myself to care that moids aren't viewed as their spouse's best options he would trade her for a younger woman in a heartbeat
They always find ways to sound like misunderstood perpetual victims

>>85840010
>that's a cope if i've ever seen one male creatutes cheat all the time even if their wives give fuckinh daily blowjobs.
Literally never happened in the entire history of humanity.

>>85849183
they would, but they can't. she's the best he can do. so when he is not her best option, it creates a completely asymmetrical situation where he is literally going to be a perpetual victim because she knows she can just use and abuse this guy.

>>85847682
Feminism always precedes societal collapse and brutal repression as a correction. The muslims were feminists far before europeans, look how they decided to end that experiment.

>>85848939
FWB and hookups mean the sex is given readily just for existing, marraige and relationships mean the sex is given as part of a greater contract.

>>85847682
Before sharia was strict arab women were very free, to an unbelievable degree today. They were judges and stuff and basically led the arab empire to ruin. In the collapse of arab civilization women were put into hijabs and to this day are treted like shit.

Women are the smartest when they use honey rather than vinegar. Its actually unbelievable how easy it is to make a man happy. inb4 some insane screed of man cheat on mee. I agree we should execute adulterers but you also aren't entitled to a chad unless you mog sorority stacy which you do not

>>85845813
>zoomers calling anyone weak.
Lol. Peak humour you cunts are riddled with autism and anxiety.

>>85839858
>tell bf he's not sexually attractive
>but you'd keep him as an emotional support pet and beta bux provider
>make confused foid noises when he angrily leaves
Lmao. He's probably just now realizing that the only reason she had sex with him once a week was because it was a chore for her.

>>85850228
Id fuck you up in chess and kick your ass physically