I am a communist but there are some things that I don't really understand. Why is it bad to own the meaning of production in capitalism if you are not exploiting anyone? Why do other commies jump small businesses like artists or fashion designers who choose to not be exploited by capitalists and work for theirselves? What's wrong with choosing to not be exploited by the bourgeoisie? Why do other commies hate sex workers only for the reason that they are supporting an exploitative industry as if not all work isn't exploitative? Is there any proof that Marx was against the petite bourgeoise who choose to take power over the means of production and work for theirselves?
>>85841974>Is there any proof that Marx was against the petite bourgeoiseHe wasnt inherently, he just said the displacement of the middle class was inevitable so they will be forced to confront the system of exploitation
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>>85841974What? Communism fundamentally is stupid because you cannot centralize or control the concepts of basic needs or peoples abilities. Means of production is an outdated term, and labor theory of value cannot exist in a world of machines and computers and tools in general. Most capitalists do not use capital to exploit the economic system or workers, they use debt. So neo-marxists should be targeting banks and lenders, and seek to own the means of investing. Class warfare is unrelated to capitalism or exploitation, although it is often framed that way like any propaganda will do. The reason why communists murdered all the peasants who barely owned any land in russia was because they were allowed to, and the same can be done anywhere that a government wants to rule by fear.
>>85842045>Most capitalists do not use capital to exploit the economic system or workers, they use debt.Debt is an instrument of capital moron. What do you think debt is leveraged with? Why can elon musk borrow 100 billion dollars but not me?
>>85841974>Why do other commies jump small businesses like artists or fashion designers who choose to not be exploited by capitalists and work for theirselves?Commies are usually a coalition of the absolute dregs and subhumans of society, who are spiteful at anyone who is doing slightly better than themselves, it's simple as that. Single family homes are no means of production, yet they were confiscating those too.
>>85841974Anon. I don't really think you understand communism. Had you not said, "there are some things that I don't really understand," I would already know you don't understand communism based on the nature of the question. If you understood communism, you wouldn't be asking these sorts of questions.I for one am very much against communism
I do not think you are a communist. Small businesses are not not exploitative, in a commie sense.
>>85841974Communists are insane evil retards and you should not be enticed by their ideas. Their entire ideology is based around tearing down Western civilisation. It is an ideology of destruction and hate, not creation or stability. Think about it, everything they say they believe is inconsistent except they will ALWAYS support harming white people or Western civilisation. It's the only thing they're consistent on so it must be their main goal.Why do they claim to support feminism and women's rights, but want to mass import people from the most backwards and misogynist cultures on the planet who view women as property and rape as acceptable if a woman isn't "guarded"? Simply because doing that hurts white people.Likewise, why do they claim to support LGBT rights and protections for these people, and claim conservatives are oppressing them, but support importing the aforementioned people who are a hundred times more hostile to them than the average Western conservative is and throw them off buildings in their own countries? Simply because this harms white people.Why do they claim to support the rights of indigenous people to their land, yet any kind of claim for indigenous Europeans to their land is the ultimate evil and they must accept replacement by mass immigration or be Hitler? Because they hate white people and want to genocide them.Why do they claim to represent the working class and their economic interests before capital, but they want to mass import cheap third world labour to compete with them, lower their wages, and increase their rent? Simply because doing that hurts white people.cont.
>>85842332Why do they claim they care about equity and equal representation, and they will always point out if a non-white minority is underrepresented in some area and demand affirmative action, but not once will they ever support affirmative action or better representation for white people if white people are underrepresented in some area? Simply because they hate white people.Communism is just a racist ideology built around destroying Westerners and their civilisation. Ironic since they accuse us "reactionaries" of having no consistent ideology except being against "progress".
>>85842095Does Elon Musk borrow $100 billion from me? Does John Normie owe $100 billion to Elon Musk? No and no, it is the BANK that lends money to both. It even has a licence to print the money that it lends. Billionaires taking loans to dodge CGT is not what Anon is talking about, despite how much you commies obsess over it it has a much smaller effect on John Normie's life than his mortgage does.
>>858419741. It is not that being independent is "bad"; the problem is that such independence is insufficient for escaping capitalism. When crises arrive, the petty bourgeois, no matter how independent they may be, will suffer through the crisis just as the proletariat does.2. Small businesses are not hated out of some moralistic envy; rather, their position is analyzed and critiqued (critique is not synonymous with hatred). The petty bourgeois exists in a transitional phase: if they grow, they will become bourgeois and eventually exploit others; if they remain stagnant, or worse, if a crisis hits, they will become proletarianized.3. The desire for emancipation is not what is being critiqued; the problem lies in the belief that such emancipation can be achieved by isolating oneself from capitalism. To imagine that a small workshop or studio is an "island free" from capitalism ignores the fact that these entities depend on the banking system, global supply chains, corporate digital platforms, and the fiat currency issued by capitalist states.4. A consistent communist does not criticize sex workers; instead, they critique the material conditions that lead a person to become a sex worker.5. Marx did not hate the petty bourgeoisie; he merely critiqued their historical role. He explained that the petty bourgeoisie is reactionary because it seeks to turn back the wheel of history to a time when only independent artisans and manufacturers existed, clinging to that form of private property in the face of the inevitable concentration of large-scale monopoly capital.
>>85841974>Why do other commies jump small businesses like artists or fashion designers who choose to not be exploited by capitalists and work for theirselves? What's wrong with choosing to not be exploited by the bourgeoisie?Communism is an ideology of the managerial class. This means managers (obviously) and state bureaucrats. The managerial class has a strong economic self-interest in large organizations, because large organizations employ more managers. This means big corporations, and big governments.A small business may require few or no managers; in most cases the owner, who is also a worker, does the management himself, or does not even have employees. Thus, small businesses (petit-bourgeoisie) are anathema to the managerial class, and so communists, who are managerial, loathe them above all else.
Marx deals with this. He says that capitalists are forced into extracting surplus value by the nature of the market economy, and capitalists who don't are outcompeted and displaced by capitalists who do. He'd say workers communes under capitalism would find themselves legally strangled and privatized with lawfare, exactly like the britbong farming commonsHe specifically tailored his materialist philosophy to avoid ethical criticisms.Its a dogshit philosophy but even i know this.
>>85841974>I am a communist>there are some things that I don't really understandyeh no shit
>>85842332>>85842342I'm a Hispanic national socialist and you're really misrepresenting communism here. Communism is similar to national socialism in that it represents the will of the volk against the exploiter, whether it be the international Jew or the international capitalist. That's why communism is pro Palestine, because the Palestinians are struggling as a volk against both the international Jew represented by Israel and the international capitalist represented by America. If Adolf was alive he'd call the Palestinians as honorary Aryans. Hispanics are honorary Aryans according to Adolf as well, the Blue Division of 50,000 Hispanics fought with National Socialist Germany in World War 2.
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>>85842383Youre a moron. Banks don't print money when they gove out loans, thats the central bank that does that. And yes, it is john normie's money that gets loaned. How do you think savings accounts work? God you're dumb.
>>85843639>Banks don't print money when they gove out loans>it is john normie's money that gets loaned. How do you think savings accounts work?It takes 3 seconds to look it up before you make a fool of yourself, you know.
>>85843695The money multiplier isnt creating money, it's just leveraging it. M2 is a meme. The central banks control the reserve ratio anyways so, still, the banks arent the ones deciding changes in the M2 supply either. The fact you need ai to argue goes to show you can't think in your own head.
>>85843101>Communism is similar to national socialism in that it represents the will of the volk against the exploiter, whether it be the international Jew or the international capitalist.They describe themselves that way and maybe old guard commies used to be that way, but modern Western leftists are just anti-white whenever they can be. They are pro-Palestine because they think Israelis are white. It's that simple. Think of how they view Irish nationalism. They love Irish nationalists who fight the British because the British are 'higher' whites than the Irish in their view. But when an Irish nationalist says "Maybe we shouldn't bring a gorillion bomalians into Belfast" then he's an evil racist who must be killed. Think about it, is there a single ethnic/territorial conflict in the entire world where leftists take the side of the white or white-adjacent side over the non-white side? Just by pure chance there must be at least one right?
>>85841974Oh look, it's waking up. We all go through a communist phase if a good person, the earnest belief that if people just got together it would work out.Then you meet actual communists and it all goes to shit. When you actually delve into the literature and also the thinktanks and groups behind the communists, the truth is manners of social justice and empowering the disenfranchised through other values such as art, culture, sex, and intellectual pursuits were always meant as destabilizing cultural forces and not actual ideals. See, communists believe things such as culture, work for pleasure such as sex work and entertainment, and sense of individuality before the collective are all evils to be done away with, merely useful tools to rally those with good natures against the deficiencies of capitalism, not to allow space for you but to cause chaos and collapse. The fashion designer is useless to the commie, you should be happy with your rags just like everyone else. The sex worker is evil because they introduce love and pleasure, distractions from blind obedience to their party. All do-gooder commies are useful idiots to the drones and ant commies who themselves are useful idiots for the richest and most powerful who put themselves at the top in hopes of living their dictator fantasy. Are you not curious why all the richest of billionaires and millionaires turn commie and preach leftist economic values? It's because from their position, capitalism does not afford them any further benefits, they have already obtained power. However, it carries risks, competition, changes in economy, they have to protect their power. So they wish instead to regulate, to rule others by law, to abandon pay but keep their positions, make power contingent not upon their wealth but unfailing obedience onto them in the name of communal good which only they have the privilege of determining, cementing their power forever.
>>85843720I didn't mention money supply, I said that banks create new money to collect interest on. This is true. Talking about the reserve ratio or who makes decisions on the M2 supply is orthogonal to the claim I made.>The fact you need ai to argueNigger you can look up any fucking source you consider reliable. It is true.https://www.bankofengland.co.uk/explainers/how-is-money-created
Communists and usurers alike should be hanged
>>85842095He leverages imaginary stock value. There are more than enough privately owned companies that sell vaporware or just digital information or services while having zero physical assets or cash. Most of the largest companies today were not profitable for years to decades because monetary profit was not the priority. Can AI only exist if it burns 50x the money they make for a decade? Maybe, i dont know. But a modern communist would not look at underwear factories in indonesia as the most important part of the economy that they can steal and ruin. Not even data centers or chip factories.
>>85841974If you own capital you should be able to do whatever you want with it but if you Let it rust you damage society, it's kinda like buying food and let it rot
Because they don't realise that most people are not competent enough to run a company so people need to be led by those few who are so the rest of us can be well treated slaves essentially. Comunisists hate heirarchy becase theyre either at the bottom and are naive or narcasists who think they will be given a higher place in the new order. I can empathise because of how bad the current system is but it is an idealogy that creates goy cattle by state violence ignoring natural law completely. I understand boomer era capatialism is the exception and was only implemented to stop the spread of conumism in the west by giving common folk high standards of living but it was the peak of economic prosperity for the masses. Now we're rapidly heading towards a dystopian technocracy unless ethno nationism rises.
>>85844464Communists societies famous for historically not any kind of management.>>85841974You are not a communist. This is some really basic stuff. It has to do with their class interest. It's not aligned with that of the working class.>Is there any proof that Marx was against the petite bourgeoiseSo bad it has to be bait.
