You know, I remember when there were 2 ideologies sorta in the outcast/incel spaces. There was the ledditfag one, the one that saw human relationships in economic terms, and the one that saw things in terms of social hierarchies/hierarchies of charisma. I find it absurd the majority of robot and incel culture nowadays is mostly the former. I mean really? Sexual market value, transactionality being seen as the supreme driver, how people interact amongst one another romantically and sexually being looked at through the lens of capitalistic economic theory. If you look at it from the outside, one could almost laugh. I always saw the predicament that faced us outcasts as the latter though. An almost marxist lens of interpretation when it comes to our position in life. Those with charisma and great ability to socialize are akin to the bourgeoisie(inheriting good parentage, or perhaps even good social interaction genes), whilst us without the ability to make connections are sorta like the proletariat. Why do you think the war cry back then was "Beta Uprising" and not "Incel Uprising". This switch to the incel frame of mind, terminologies, and ideology, is what spelled the end for actual good board culture on r9k I feel.