Does this shit actually do anything or is it just another humiliation ritual?
we're gonna vote vote vote it's our moment
>>85847666Be sure to wear your "i voter" pin as a 35 year old so everyone knows youre a good goy who plays the gay game
>>85847666The latterIf a leader was actually going to change anything, they'd have made it so elections don't happen
>>85847666>humiliation ritualIt's not humiliating. It's more like brushing your teeth every day. If you skip brushing for a day, it's no big deal, but a lot of people brush every day anyway, just out of principle. Same with voting. If you skip it, it's no big deal, but a lot of people always do it anyway, just out of principle.Plus I think a lot of people vote because they think it's kind of nice to be asked what their opinion is. That's basically why I do it.
>>85847666How would you feel humiliated by voting?
>>85847666>Does this shit actually do anythingIt sometimes does things that change the country. All those people who voted for Trump were able to prevent Harris from being president, and that certainly was "doing something", because a Harris presidency would have been way way different than the Trump presidency. Elections do have consequences, and sometimes those consequences can be pretty big.
>>85847666It's less of a humiliation ritual and more of a babysitting situation. It's like when you were little and your parents let you "drive" the car by giving you a fake steering wheel in the back seat or letting you sit on their lap and "control" the actual steering wheel while they actually controlled it with their knees. If the Establishment agrees with the popular vote, the popular vote "wins" but only because that victory was approved. If the people vote for a candidate that the Establishment doesn't want in charge, that's when all the Technicalities (TM) start to kick in and the result happens to end up different from what people voted for directly.This isn't even conspiracy theory btw; this is precisely what the Electoral College, for example, was explicitly designed for. Its only job is to occasionally overthrow democratic elections peacefully whenever "necessary," and who decides when it's "necessary" to do so? Certainly not the People, because members of the Electoral College are not democratically elected or even fully known by the People. Members of the Electoral College can stay anonymous and usually do. So it is public knowledge that we essentially have a class of shadow people doing the real voting while what We get is more of a survey regarding who we'd prefer to see win if we had any real power, which we don't.We saw this happen 3 times this century so far despite only being 26 years into it; first with W. Bush, then with Trump and again with Trump 2. Popular vote losses but Electorate victories.The only reason this system hasn't been done away with is because (1) people are stupid and easy to convince that this is somehow necessary or else all Hell will break loose, and (2) the Electoral College happens to agree with the People...most of the time. So we stay tame and get only a little dazzled when there's departure.
>>85847866>inb4 "but muh tyranny of the majority!!!"Doesn't really apply to situations where we are all voting for something that affects the entirety of the country unanimously. Common misconception. Tyranny of the majority would be if, all the states decided Mississippi had to do their laundry or whatever. In the case of electing a president who leads the federal government for all equally, what's best for the majority of the country is what's best for the country. The Electoral College is tyranny of the minority if anything. >inb4 "but we're not a democracy!!! we're a [insert buzzword that essentially just means "democracy" in fancier wording]A democratic republic is a democracy. A republic is literally just any form of government not helmed by singular source of authoritative power such as a dictator, king, emperor or monarch but instead by elected representatives. A constitutional republic is the same thing, just one that is founded on a constitution. This is a stupid non-rebuttal used by people who don't know what the fuck they're talking about.
>>85847666Democrats and Republicans gave me no reason to vote for them.
>>85847944>the evil-ass political party that wants to rape kids, take your money and destroy everything vs the party of lame shit like idk affordable healthcare or housing or whateveryeah they're pretty much the same
>>85847984>the evil-ass political party that wants to rape kids, take your money and destroy everything vs the evil-ass political party that wants to rape kids, take your money and destroy everything
>>85847666go back all elections in your lifetime. remove one vote from any side that you like. did it change anything? if you look at probabilities, you have higher chance of dying on the way to voting booth than vote having any effect on outcomethink what'd actually happen if it gets that close, it'd be either re-run or random dudes in robes will decide who wonalso the act of walking and lining up going to voting booth to give someone else power, is itself a pretty cucked thing to do for most men - at least for most people browsing here
>>85847984you're not gonna get that anywayyou're getting child rapists bombing civilians in the name of israel while the distance between the elite and the workers keep increasing in your decaying police state regardless of what you vote forthat you engage in this retardation is in fact part of why voting exists. you will never ever even attempt to change anything, you'll just vote for the good cop and say you're on the right say because of that
>>85848005on the right *side
>>85847666It does absolutely nothing in the modern age. The military industrial complex has been in charge of this country since JFK was assassinated.
>>85847989if you genuinely see the democratic party as being exactly as corrupt as the republican party with no distinguishable difference between them you may just be retarded
>>85848028Bernie Sanders (who is a retarded boomer) and AOC (who is a retard) are not the Democratic party. The overwhelming majority of the Democratic party are establishment shills.
>>85848028>why yes i have blinders on because they allude to appeasing my desires while taking money and cushy jobs to specificially not do thatKeep living in lala land. Im sure the next "grassroots" movement wont be bought, paid for and intentionally ineffective while your taxes are increased to skim from
>>85847666Just another humiliation ritual. Vooting was deprecated from the start due to the electoral college and the two party system. America might as well be a dictatorship like China. Nothing would change.
>>85848038They are establishment too, you mong.
>>85848048They are propped up to get naive redditors to believe in le hope and change, then cucked at the convention.
>>85848005>you want to engage with a bureaucratic political system in earnest in hopes of gradually changing conditions in the country in which you live? lmao that pales in comparison to my strategy, doing nothing and being a smug asshole about anyone who cares about anything on 4chan dot org>>85848038>>85848043k cool have fun sitting on your ass while gas hits $9 per gallon for no reason ;)
>>85848065>k cool have fun sitting on your ass while gas hits $9 per gallon for no reason ;)have fun wasting your life following WWE Washington DC edition retard
>>85848065>i voted, im doing something!Yup, what a tard
Don't forget to voot, very important goy ritual
>>85848075> i voted, im doing something!this, but unironically
>>85848080yes, giving consent to jewish elites to do whatever they want
This thread is the most obvious and pathetic psyop I've seen in a long time. Just straight up out of ideas.>Don't vote. Stay home. Do nothing. You don't want to be like this basedjak I made of you, do you? Give in.
>>85848090>elections are practically 50/50 every time out of sheer coincidence!! It's not fake guys!
>>85848090you make a super compelling argument to vote anon, they really need 4 incels to sit out this election, thank you for your contribution
>>85848095Why is it so important to you that I do nothing if none of it matters?
>>85848028When did the Democratic party make healthcare or housing affordable or whatever?
>>85848108It's not important to me. I am just making fun of you for being a bluepilled goy.
>>85848108If you want your catharsis then have it, but dont pretend its anything else
>>85848108>don't cut off your peniswhy do yo care, fuck off>don't let your gf fuck other dudeswhy do you care, fuck offthe argument is whether or not it's cucked and retarded, you are free to shove anything up your ass
>>85847666If it didn't do anything republicans wouldn't work so hard to prevent it.>>85847772Also, this guy gets it.
>>85848109The public option for healthcare lost by one Senate vote. Either every vote matters, or it's all an elaborate conspiratorial charade to make it look like every vote matters.
>>85848136oh wow just 1 vote what a shame. surely they didn't know exactly how the vote would go before they held it.
>>85847989You're really close to the peak of Mt. Stupid (dunning Kruger effect) keep going and don't stop thinking
>>85847666You can rage bait chuds by voting. Think of the most insufferable liberal their rage pales in comparison to someone who thinks their candidate was anointed by God to win.
>>85848136And John McCain, the presidential opponent of Barack Obama in 2008 was the sole vote that stopped Obamacare from being repealed. Why would the guy who ran against Obama and was his greatest political opponent save his signature policy?For the drama and the ratings. Because it's scripted. Like WWE
>>85848038Overwhelming majority is still less than 100% and also pro protecting pedofiles from prison.
>>85848141Real life isn't that simple. You never know for sure how the vote is going to go until the vote actually goes down.The fact that the public option lost in the past doesn't prevent the public option from being tried again in the future.
>>85848107>>85848109>I NEED you to take part in my useless pretend-voting dog and pony show because...I just do!>Even though you have no power and I have no reason to care if you engage in the pretend-voting show, it's Very Important to me that you pretend to vote, because.......it just is, OK?!>>85848110OK, and I'm making fun of you for being an apathetic cuck excusing away his own listlessness as its own form of Reddit-tier nihilistic enlightenment>>85848116>most convincing demoralization spampost >>85848118Why would I give a shit if you cut your dick off and let your gf fuck other dudes? And how is cutting your dick off anywhere near the same as voting? What are you losing?This is depressing anon. It's so obvious lmao
>>85848154Also President dotard managed to piss him off enough for McCain to want to screw with him. Mcconnells turtle tears were delicious that day.
>>85848158Yeah it's only ~95% uniparty establishment shills on both sides. No big deal.
>>85848152I like the way you think, makes me wonder if every republican loss comes with some amount of christcuck disillusionment.
>>85848136So they didn't pass the vote?You can't come up with an example of the party of affordable healthcare or housing or whatever actually making healthcare or housing more affordable? Just examples of what could have happened if they were more politically successful and were obstructed less by the other side?
>>85848168I'm disappointed that pedofilla isn't a deal breaker for you
>>85848161>Real life isn't that simple. You never know for sure how the vote is going to go until the vote actually goes down.Except it really is that simple in congress. I watched the last attempt at Democrat gun control legislation and it was a fucking joke that had absolutely no chance of passing or being upheld by the Supreme Court. US politics is literally a dog and pony show for goycattle. Who do you think assassinated JFK?
>>85848167Sounds like a Heel turn. WWE Shit.
>>85848154>Why would the guy who ran against Obama and was his greatest political opponent save his signature policy?>For the drama and the ratings. Because it's scripted. Like WWEBecause he WASN'T Obama's greatest rival, and that's just your misunderstanding of the situation.If it was a WWE storyline then wouldn't Character A oppose Character B on every single issue no matter what, to make the storyline more compelling? The fact that Politician A and Politician B openly and unashamedly agree on a lot of issues ought to be evidence that it isn't scripted.
>>85848176I don't vote you fucking retard. Politics is fake. Why can't you comprehend this?
>>85848177You mean like when everyone was bitching about trump offering $5000 if republicans won the midterms, forgetting Biden promised $10,000 loan forgiveness before the 2022 midterms. $20,000 if you had pell grants. And if you bring up one presidents midterm promises and compared them to another you're doing a whataboutism. Like a Russian
>>85848185Okay. If Mitt Romney wasn't Obamas greatest political opponent who was?
>>85848175I don't know why you act like losing once is the same as losing forever. If they had the numbers then they could try again. They just haven't had the numbers.Like, what do you want them to do, just be dictators and forcibly enact policy even without the required votes?
idk if voting works but I vote anyway because black people are voting and I want to cancel them out wherever possible
>>85848158Well I'd vote for the party that is exposing pedophilesWho released more of the Epstein files. Democrats or Republicans?
>>85848175list of passed legislation by democrats to improve housing and healthcare costs Democrats have passed several major pieces of legislation aimed at lowering healthcare and housing costs, primarily utilizing their congressional majorities during the Biden-Harris administration, alongside recent landmark bipartisan packages.The primary legislative vehicles passed by Democrats to lower these essential costs include the Inflation Reduction Act (IRA), the American Rescue Plan (ARP), and the comprehensive 21st Century ROAD to Housing Act.
>>85848204Why does he need to have any "greatest opponent" at all? That's YOU wanting the world to fit into a storyline.
>>85848188Oh good, already enough pedofiles involved in politics these days
>>85848164you shouldn't be demoralized by me, you should go out there and vote, vote early if you can, you should tell your friends to vote. i hope your favorite candidate wins, best of luck to your side
>>85848205If they have the numbers they won't hold a vote and blame it on republican interference. Daily reminder lobbyists are the ones who write up bills and Democrats shill for big pharma now.
#RockTheVotehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-B6qiPMGII
>>85848235>If they have the numbers they won't hold a voteProve it by giving them the numbers.
>>85848215Interesting cope, i suppose by 'volume' republicans, though not by choice and once they redacted trump's name a few thousand(million?) times of course. Next question, Which party is actively resisting releasing the rest including disobeying congress?
It's just a sin on your part. Idk why a little individual would take on something like that, fried by karma.
>>85848241Democrats are beholden to big pharma and big pharma likes money. Sorry to disappoint you.
Even ironman votes, he is so cool, you should be like himhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U4ENWSYhu68
>>85848205I asked AI if Obama or Trump were able to lower the price of housing or healthcareHousing prices rose under both periods; the percentage increase was somewhat larger in 2012-2016 than in 2016-2020. Healthcare costs (premiums and national spending) also rose under both, with no sustained decline in either case. Neither president produced a clear reduction in the price of housing or healthcare. Prices for both continued climbing, consistent with longer-term trendsMedian existing single-family home prices (approximate year-end/annual figures):2012: ~$177,0002016: ~$235,000-$236,000 (roughly +33% over the period)2020: ~$300,000 (roughly +27-28% from 2016 levels)absolute premiums, deductibles, and total spending continued rising under both Obama's second term and Trump's first term. Out-of-pocket costs and high-deductible plans also became more common.
>>85848241Silly anon, that guy doesn't care if his beliefs are true or not.
>>85848242So republicans released 3.5 million Epstein files, the democrats released 0 Epstein files. But the Republicans are the ones defending Pedos. And Democrats are the ones exposing Pedos.
>>85848264I argued with some redditor years ago who believed the war in Ukraine would end any day. You guys are retards.
>>85848254A wise man assumes that most politicians are lying most of the time.A fool assumes that all politicians are lying all of the time.A politician who says "I care for my constituents more than I care for my sponsors" is probably lying, because the contents of his soul are a secret.A politician who says "I will vote a certain way on a certain bill" is probably telling the truth, because the contents of their votes are a matter of public record.
>>85848281I said 95% of politicians are establishment shills.
>>85848287Does a shill lie all of the time, or only most of the time?
>>85848265Two successful prosecutions before the release. 1 of them was suicided and the other was moved to a luxury prison and or switched with a double and living her best life back in Israel, but yeah two more weeks on more prosecutions
>>85848294They don't have to lie at all. You're simply not going to get the uniparty to vote against the establishment. They will find a way to get what they want in the easiest way possible.
>>85848265I can't help but notice you didn't answer the question, Which party is actively resisting releasing the rest including disobeying congress?
>>85848306Politicians are usually going to lie anyway.But when they say "I will vote in favor of Bill X" or "I will vote against Resolution Y", they're usually telling the truth, because it's really bad for their optics (read: chances of reelection) to be caught two-faced on that specific issue.
>>85848323Unless they arent seeking reelection and/or the party needs a scapegoat to kneecap a bill
>>85848323that's when you find a way to stop the vote from happening
>>85848333What way are you finding them finding?
>>85848333>find a wayLol they just stay home and say nuh uh, or um actually we won't seat your senator because they're going to vote a way I don't like.It ain't difficult or subtle
>>85848319both of them, retard. also epstein was a leftist. 95% of his political affiliations and donations were to democrats. if you think the left has less to lose than the right over the release of the files, you're delusional, but the release of the files would hurt both sides catastrophically because the top brass of both of them are either involved or complicit, so they play out this circus for idiots like you, to divide and conquer and keep the files sealed forever.
>>85848323>bill X: 50 things you dont want, 2 you do>resolution Y: 5 things you REALLY dont want, 1 you do, intended to be shot down so they can say demoncrats/rechudlicans dont support children or senior citizens or whateverLet me know when they start with single issue bills. At least a few states have done that but they just gridlock the house or senate of that state and meet thrice a year anyway
>>85848355>if you think the left has less to lose than the right over the release of the files, you're delusionaltrump.webp
>>85848319I don't know.I would guess it would be the party that wasn't releasing any files that was actively resisting releasing them, and the party that released 3.5 million of them was complying with congress
>>85848355Ah I see, you don't understand how the federal government works and or weren't/aren't paying attention. My mistake.
>>85848356they conglomerate all these bills because they claim nothing would get done otherwise, but then most of them don't even fucking show up to vote on these megabills either. they just throw their own pork into them then go out to lunch with their AIPAC handlers while some shitmook intern participates in a meaningless verbal proxy-vote where whatever party in charge at the time rubberstamps all their own garbage.D.C. needs to be nuked while congress is in session to be quite honest.
>>85848362>I don't knowIndeed>was complying with congressThe hardest working 'was' I ever did see
>>85848332I usually assume that a politician IS seeking reelection, and I'm right about 99% of the time.
>>85848372While I dont disagree with nuking congress mid session you're typically wrong about 'pork'. Republicans always say it's there but can never point to it.
>>85848361Epstein had all of his political connections in new york, which has been a democratic stronghold for all our lives.https://abcnews.com/Politics/jeffrey-epstein-donated-democrats-1990s-early-2000s/story?id=64255485One of the biggest beneficiaries of Epstein's contributions was then-Senate hopeful Hillary Clinton, who received $20,000 from him in 1999 through her joint fundraising committee with the Democratic Party, according to Federal Election Commission filings. Bill Clinton's presidential campaign also received $1,000 from Epstein in 1992.John Kerry, Hillary Clinton's successor as former President Barack Obama's secretary of state, also was a recipient of Epstein's donations during his time as a U.S. senator in Massachusetts in the 1990s and early 2000s.https://nypost.com/2025/11/18/us-news/jeffrey-epstein-was-invited-to-dem-fundraising-dinner-and-to-get-to-know-hakeem-jeffries-by-firm-working-with-brooklyns-barack/House Oversight Committee Chairman James Comer (R-Ky.) charged Tuesday that Democratic Leader Hakeem Jeffries' campaign "solicited money from Jeffrey Epstein."The Kentucky Republican, who is leading the oversight panel's investigation into Epstein, cited a 2013 email from a political consulting firm inviting the notorious pedophile to a Democratic Party dinner and to "get to know" Jeffries. "Democrat fundraisers invited Epstein to attend an event, or meet privately with Hakeem Jeffries as part of their 2013 effort to win a majority," Comer said on the House floor. "So, Hakeem Jeffries' campaign solicited money from Jeffrey Epstein," he claimed. "That's what we found in the last document batch."
>>85848390>Bill Clinton's presidential campaign also received $1,000 from Epstein in 1992.It's over, the left has fallen. Billions must red.
>>85848361Checking wikipediaEpstein visited the White House multiple times during the Clinton presidency and attended Democratic fundraisers in the 1990s. After donating $1,000 to Bill Clinton's presidential election campaign in 1991, Epstein donated $10,000 to the White House Historical Association in 1993 and, accompanied by Maxwell, attended a donors' reception hosted by President Clinton and First Lady Hillary Clinton.In 2002 and 2003, Clinton took multiple flights on Epstein's plane, commonly known by the nickname "Lolita Express", as part of foundation-related tours to promote global health and economic development. Flight log records later indicated Clinton's name on at least 17 legs of Epstein's flights in that timeframe. On one high-profile trip in 2002, Clinton flew aboard the Lolita Express to Africa along with actors Kevin Spacey and Chris Tucker to visit HIV/AIDS project sites. Epstein was an active supporter of the Clinton Foundation, even lending the Lolita Express to Clinton's international trips.According to a Wall Street Journal report published in July 2025, Clinton contributed a handwritten note to a birthday greeting album that Maxwell compiled for Epstein's 50th birthday in 2003. The message, written in what the WSJ described as Clinton's "distinctive scrawl", reads: "It's reassuring isn't it, to have lasted as long, across all the years of learning and knowing, adventures and [illegible word], and also to have your childlike curiosity, the drive to make a difference and the solace of friends."American politician, diplomat, lawyer, and leading member of the Democratic Party from 1989 to 1995 George J. Mitchell was friends with Epstein. A 2003 handwritten letter in Epstein's "birthday book" showed the former U.S. Senate majority leader describing his friendship with Epstein as "a blessing." Documents released in January 2026 showed a continued relationship between Mitchell and Epstein following Epstein's 2008 conviction,
>>85848390>>85848424Cool story bro, how about they release the rest of the files and he and trump share a cell together!Bet it would make amazing reality TV.
>>85848389This is not a partisan issue and I don't know why you're trying to turn it into one. They all pork every bill constantly and these bills are all public and you can go see it for yourself. What bill specifically do you think republicans claimed there was democrat pork in but "never pointed to it"?
>>85848434Epstein was a DemocratHe knew democrats, he donated to democrats, was in a democratic area, and visited the white house of democratic presidents.How are you turning this around and blaming Trump and the Republicans?
wow so many pro-voting in my board, r/9k has fallenconsequences of increased female users has been a disaster
>>85848442>guy bringing up Clinton's 1k in 1992 asks where we talking about trump all of a suddenWho tied your shoes this morning?
>>85848442And Trump was a democrat or did you forget.
>>85848487Yes, that $1000 donation to the campaign and $10,000 donation to the White House Historical Association got him a ticket to the reception dinner hosted by President Clinton and First Lady Hillary Clinton. These X Thousand dollars a plate dinners is how politicians raise money, and it's one of the times Epstein met with President Bill Clinton. Clinton flew on Epstein's plane. Bill & Hillary's Clinton foundation used Epstein's plane for Clinton Foundation work. This is relevant not because Bill Clinton was president in the 90s, but his wife was the person who ran against Donald Trump in 2016.And it wasn't just Bill. There was George Mitchell. And the DNC.https://www.cnbc.com/2019/07/24/democratic-groups-will-not-commit-to-returning-donating-epstein-funds.htmlEpstein gave at least $80,000 combined to the DNC and the DSCC from the late 1990s through the early 2000s, according to Federal Election Commission records. Epstein's donations to the committees were given either directly or through Democratic joint fundraising operations, including one in part led by Hillary Clinton's U.S. Senate exploratory committee called New York Senate 2000.Don Fowler, who was DNC co-chairman from January 1995 through January 1997, questioned why the committees should give away these donations due to the checks being written decades earlier."Go back and give money that he gave 20 years ago? Are you nuts? That's my answer to that," Fowler told CNBC in an interview Wednesday."Maybe the RNC [Republican National Committee] should return any money that anyone gave to supporters of Richard Nixon," he emailed later.
How many times is bill clinton in the epstein flight logs visiting epstein island?
STOP VOTING YOU STUPID GOYIM NONE OF YOUR OPINIONS MATTER. STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT STOP IT YOU FUCKERS ARE RUINING EVERYTHING
>>85848593I say this and look like that
>>85847666Their religion allows them to do absolutely anything as long as their victim consents. Voting is an act of consent because you chose to participate in the system. Not voting is also an act of consent because you chose to not attempt to stop them from doing the things they told you they would do :^)
Yes it does and the only people who do the whole "both sides le owned by da joos/donerclass/MIC" are perpetual teenagers who don't engage with the world in any meaningful capacity
>>85848672you're projecting. the "both sides are bad" people are the ones who have lived long enough to observe for themselves the truth of it. and the fact that you typed "da joos" lets us know exactly who you are and why you're coping and seething the way you are.
>>85848690No they haven't, this is just being unhappy with your personal circumstances. Millions of children are going to die in Africa because people voted for Trump. Some kids were receiving life saving medication after being born with AIDS and now they're not. There's a tangible difference for you. You're incapable of having an adult conversation in regards to this, you didn't even rebut anything I said and just typed out a bunch of 4chan stock phrases, "projecting, coping and seething". Dumb thought terminating cliches because you're unable to engage with what I said
>>85848913Why is it our responsibility to pick up the tab for Africa's meal?Why doesn't the international community hold their governments accountable? Why don't African voters choose leaders who provide food locally instead of relying on international aid to feed their people?
>>85848941We need charity in order to rehabilitate our image. We perform so many evil actions that we need to balance them with charitable actions so we can say about ourselves "See? We're not all bad".Take away our charity and... we're pretty much all bad.
>>85848952I don't believe your Howard Zinn perspective. That view of history that disproportionately on everything that has gone wrong or can be portrayed negatively in U.S. history, while ignoring or downplaying the country's major achievements. Zinn's hostile portrayal of the United States is equal to the anti-American propaganda published by official newspapers in the old Soviet Union.American History is more than dead natives, slavery and MLK.
Europeans will say Americans do nothing right, they do everything wrong, while backing their economy on American Tech dividends
>>85847666Humiliation ritual. Also Satanic in a way, makes you acquiesce to the evil. Vote for the evil, you're evil, vote against, you still participated it. Avoid voting? You're evil for not participating and can't complain. Who do you get to elect? One crime family after another, with body counts that would make the Gambinos blush. Satanists view your participation as consent or your silence as consent to do their wicked deeds. Instead of a sovereign being guilty, they put the guilt for the actions of a few onto everybody. Democracy is therefore demonic, Democracy is Demoncracy, and it has failed every single time it's been tried. This time will be no different.>inb4 we're not a democracy, we're a republicDistinction without a difference in this day and age
Local politics matters more than national politics, national politics, there is no difference between democrats and republicans besides cultural wedge issues that dont harm capital democrats winning the midterms will be a double edged sword, yes they will win, but the DSA will then hold the democrat party hostage and force the party even farther to the left or else they will oust hakeem jefferies, feel like this angle isnt being talked about as much but it will become very important.Most americans hate both parties, its like a right of passage to realize both parties are fake and gay. The highest political affiliation isnt republican or democrat, its independent
>>85848065gas prices dont care about the party in power. just ask carter, obama, biden
>>85849103Gas prices care about the Strait of Hormuz, believe it or not.
>>85847666not really because politicians nearly never do what they promise. no matter who you vote for they never put the citizens first. they either cater to African/Islamic refuges or Israel.
>>85849111that is correct. so in 2030 when(if) the strait is open and blue team is in why will they still be going up
>>85849125The existence of global crises with complicated causes does not mean that we should simply surrender and accept the imposition of global crises with simple causes.More than almost any other global crisis in recent memory, this particular global crisis was very easily avoidable for us.
>>85847666Why would people spend so much money trying to influence your vote if it didn't do anything?Saying it doesn't do anything is just an attempt to try and act like you are better than other people for no reason.
>>85849125>you made a good point but what if I make up a scenario and pretend that gas prices would've gone up anyways
>>85848941You've immediately conceded to my point that voting does matter you fucking retard hahahaha
It really feels like a waste of time. I've voted a lot and its never mattered. You do it for yourself to cope. But honestly I ask myself if that cope feels better than just sitting at home and doing something else with my time. Lately I just don't even bother voting. Plus its almost certain they just rig that shit anyway. The only voting that matters is at the barrel of a gun
>>85849351Asking why we are picking up the tab is not conceding that voting is important because it decides whether or not we pick up the tab.
>>85849194>Why would people spend so much money trying to influence your vote if it didn't do anything?Because they want to keep you docile
>>858494111. because it's the right thing to do2. Those children are now dying because of who got into power after they were voted in. You're really really fucking dumb. The most annoying genre of 4chan poster that think they're so much smarter than they actually are
>>85849417Also another boring perpetual teenager take. >Erm it's to keep you docile man not like me I'm a real free thinker that's a danger to the system!!Yes very redpilled and based of you, here's your expensive gas cos the strait is still closed
>>85849301but you didnt make any point
>>85849351He's trying to use rhetorical questions as a thought exercise to get you to understand why voting DOESN'T matter, but you're too stupid to understand it. To spell it out for you: If voting mattered, we would not be sending aid to Africa and we would not be accountable for Africa's welfare because these are not issues voters care about at all and would vote against them, and Africans would in fact choose better leaders for themselves if their votes mattered.
It used to work at the local level, but now they're just as corrupt at the federal level and take backroom agreements and sign NDEs. Hell, here in Podunk USA, the town (with a population of 1200) government just quietly approved both a data center and Flock cameras. Nothing was said. The cameras just went up, and the data center broke ground with the permits mysteriously approved. 80% of the residents showed up, bitched. Lawsuit filed and won because by law it was supposed to go for a vote. Thankfully, data center is no longer being built but at the cost of a shit ton of acres bulldozed to the ground. The cameras were diwn the moment it was spotted.
voting is actually super powerful because i vote and im so super strong and important ok? it took me 5mins to fill out that ballot i did all i could ok just congratulate me i did good :(
voting is actually super useless because i don't vote and im so super nonchalant and uncaring ok? it took me no time to fill out that nothing i did all i couldn't do ok just congratulate me i did nothing :(
>>85849442>People don't want to send aid to Africa>Vote in person that doesn't want to send aid to Africa>Africa stops receiving aid What the fuck are you talking about? That is a direct cause of voting. Or is your claim really "everything the government does doesn't cater to every single one of my concerns so voting doesn't matter".
>>85847666>or is it just another humiliation ritual?even if the parties wanted to do something, neither side wins enough to be able to pass meaningful legislation, and people think 2 or 4 years is long enough to fix things so they immediately vote them out after. the u.s is essentially just deadlocked right now which is exactly what they want.
>>85849488Why is there no candidate that takes money we spend feeding the poor and hungry in other countries and uses that money to feed the poor and hungry in our country
>>85849509Yes they do, turns out people who don't want to send aid to Africa to save the lives of children also don't give a fuck about poor Americans and think they're were they are because they deserve it. Maybe if you voted Democrat these poor and vulnerable people would be taken care of better than they would under Republicans. You are not a smart person at all. When was the last time you went outside?
>>85847666I live in Virginia. I'm going to vote against abortion rights, gay marriage, and voting rights for felons and retards.
yeah go stand in line for hours so some hillbilly cop can kick the shit out of you and take your ID before you get to the front of the line. He'll get a medal and you'll get a metal rod in your leg. TOPKEK
>>85847666>Does this shit actually do anything or is it just another humiliation ritual?It depends on where you are. If you're a state that always votes Democrat for example there's no point in it.
>>85849194You have power over one vote, which does nothing. The people running for election will get power and influence if they can get a mass to vote for them. You are not a hivemind and not in position to influence a large mass to do anything. Voting is useless for you, people voting is useful for them. Vooters also sell their legitnacy of system by voting so there's a predictable path to get to and keep power, helpful for those already close to power networks and capacities needed for power or can be realistic beneficiaries.
>>85847666I voted yesterday and filled out a straight independent ticket like I always do. I was impressed that one independent had some real momentum from all the signs I've seen and he was a real conservative unlike the corpo-socialist Republicans so made sure to vote for him.
>>85849637If you vote Democrat, the only people cared for are criminals and the laptop class getting DEI jobs.
>one of the goys in here is an unironic Democrat party loyalist who thinks they are the "good guys"my nigga...
>>85849806You're fucking retarded and get all your beliefs from twitter or streamers who have never held a real job. Imagine complaining about "laptop jobs" when you spend every waking hour infront of a computer. Straits still closed btw
>heh voting doe->Serbia >Hungary >Brazilreminder that if voting didn't matter then they wouldn't spend so much pushing the belief that it's meaningless
its a cycle. now we get leftist in power - nothing changes. after that its orange man AI bot - nothing changes.there are real problems in western countries but 4chan chuds only care about bbc and muh immigrants. its ironic beacouse these niggers literally feed those people
>>85847666>Does this shit actually do anything or is it just another humiliation ritual?this is what voters look like in 2026
>>85849996>after that its orange man AI bot - nothing changes.things definitely did change, you're retardedthe US is literally completely fucked now on trade for the forseeable future. you ust can't comprehend cause and effect.
>>85849924TrvkeBy the way, elon musk has officially outspent GEORGE SOROS to finance ken paxton's campaign in texas. That stupid sperg is literally the new soros in the U.S. and not a single right wing conspiracy theorist has anything to say about it. Kinda like how republicans stopped caring about the epstein files as soon as daddy trump ordered them to drop the issue.
I don't think voting matters in the sense that it meaningfully changes anything. I do not mean this in a tinfoil-hat conspiracy theory way. Like I am not claiming that elections are rigged, that campaigns aren't real, or that votes aren't counted.What I mean is that I've stopped believing any single person or organization can truly control millions of people. I think the concept of "leadership" breaks down at that scale of human interaction . It makes sense in smaller communities, such as towns, but I'm not convinced it works the same way nationally.At the national level, I believe the aggregate of people's views moves the population in a particular direction, and nothing any individual leader or organization says or does can meaningfully alter that trajectory.Basically, I've come to see this less as politics in the conventional sense and more as something akin to a crowd crush.
>>85848028Being a wingnut in 2026 is craaazy though most of you guys tend to disappear after the elections ig so it'll be back to just gooners raping the shell of a board we're on
I've been voting since kerry ran against bush. I don't think any candidate I've ever voted for actually has won in my state. They might have won overall but like they lost in my state and it was just the same as sitting home. You go online and some borderline personality disorder freak is like you're voting against my rights, when my vote counted for nothing. Literally nothing I did effected you other than the idea of me having a say in anything. This trash heap was basically all the people you're endorsing who have been in government for years on end. Once in a while you'll have someone else come along as if it's revolutionary and they're just preaching to your choir. Democracy shows you real fast people who say they are left, don't really want anything particularly left and will actively tell you that you shouldn't even participate if you disagree with them. It's a very DARVO thing speaking with them, they deny, attack you, reverse that they're attack you and say you're attacking them, they're the victim you're the offender. It's like I voted for a dude that wanted to legalize smoking weed and lost I got a novel about how I'm a fascist for not agreeing with them and are opressing them for existing. It's like maybe you're voting for the people that already set up your system of oppression and I had nothing to do with it, you just don't like democracy as much as you think you did?
>>85847666its bread and circuses, my parents love voting, they feel like they're doing something important.
>>85847666Hell no, voting doesn't do shit; it's completely rigged. That's why I find retarded shit like "not voting is a vote." I don't care to vote anyway. Both parties we can vote for are both evil as fuck and don't give a shit about us. If you genuinely think a politician gives a shit about you, you're the most retarded goyim ever.
