Do you think communism is really that bad?
I mean I don't actually like it that much, I just like it insofar as the rise of the USSR directly led to decolonization. I like the Nazis for the same reason, bankrupting the British led to the death of their empire and the liberation of millions, their actual ideals are irrelevent to me.
>>85848060the only problem with communism is that the west is full of neo-liberals and racists larping as communistseven China has the problem that because of USA propaganda through anime there are many racist chuds among their societyneoliberals are pro-organized crime which allow the CIA to create a stronghold in their countries and racists are just larpers that for some reason think they can use communism to create fascist societies
>>85848076>now that I'm le liberated, akshually I just want to move out of my self-ruled shitpile to bongland or USA or Canada or something
>>85848082True, but the racists are against white people
>>85848096those are the neoliberals who are obsessed with the concept of race and racial politics, something any communist would consider anti-communist as you don't need to become a race obsessed freak to combat discrimination and segregationracists simply see this aspect of communism as a loophole to promote their white supremacism, if you go to russia the communist party has been completely took over by neo-nazis
democratic socialism is the way forward in the civilized world america will be a better place when it fully takes overtankies and nazis get the rope
>>85848060If you look at what communism did to every country it was implemented in, you would soon realize that it was, indeed, that bad. There may a few exceptions such as Yugoslavia in some periods where it traded with the west more.
>>85848117What are you talking about? The communists are the ones who wanted to flood western Europe with Syrian refugees. Are we talking about the same left wingers?
>>85848060this is not and has never been a single communist world empire or first world communist nation. do commies ever ask themselves why this is, or does their cognitive dissonance cope immediately default to "real communism has never been tried!"
>>85848126In theory it's a workers paradise where they have nothing to lose but their chains.
>>85848126>first worldOf course not because the term "first world" was defined as the world opposed to communism and the USSR sphere of influence. You can't be a communist country and be a first world country.
>>85848060Communism only works in hivemind insect colonies. Unsurprisingly the only place where anything resembling communism has worked in human society in in the bugpeople colonies of china, but even then they're not an actual communism, just a state capitalism, because they're not actual insects.
>>85848117Socialism should be nationalist in the early stages of development
>>85848135the modern definition is defined as a wealthy, industrialized nation with a high standard of living, stable democratic government, and advanced economy, because these things are antithetical to communist shit holes.
>>85848144>the only place where anything resembling communism has worked in human society in in the bugpeople colonies of chinaI wouldn't consider their society an example of anything "working", tbqh. Every Asian state is a bleak dystopia.
>communist get in power>they let millions and millions of people die>they send everyone who isnt in line with the new ideology into the gulagtake mao for instance, that chink nigger told everyone to kill sparrows, and it led to a famine.Im a neet, marx would consider me what he called a lumpenproletariat, im also into spirituality and religion, i think i would be sent to the gulag in the event of a communist government I cant think of an instance where communism actually worked, even so called modern communist states are communist in name only and practice state capitalism
>>85848119democratic socialism is just slightly better neo-liberalism, it is already falling apart in europe, you either go full communist or not even try it at all, to allow everyone to have equal opportunities capitalism needs to be completely dismantled, to achieve that you need socialism, not democratic socialism, real socialism, and eventually that socialism needs to become communism in order to perpetuate that standard of livingcapitalism cannot sustain a society where more than 50% of the population have an university degree, it is called elite over-production, democratic-socialist societies still need a wageslave underclass
>>85848082What is your ideology on racial diversity? To me its obvious that people are inherently tribal and people almost always identify with thier eitnic ties, very few actually assimilate into whatever culture they migrate to which only fuels hatred. Is it so evil to want to be amongst your own people, it doesnt mean you hate other races but this melting pot experiment has been a disaster
>>85848157all ideologies should be nationalist. any ideology that isn't nationalistic will inevitably destroy the nation it's being forced upon. this should be obvious based on the basic definitions of words and the concept and etymology of "nation" itself, but leftists always did have trouble with the concept of words having meanings.
>>85848169I've traveled through a lot of Asia, including japan, china, singapore, and taiwan, and most of it, at least in the cities, is objectively better than the modern judaized urban-liberal west. Exurban areas in the US are loads better than most of Asia and especially western urban areas, though.
>>85848163It became that after the USSR fell but it doesn't even make sense because there is no second world anymore. There's just the US and that's it. Either do what the US wants or get fucked, basically. Nobody is vying for spheres of influence anymore.>stable democratic governmentExcept in the richest "first world" countries like Monaco, Lichtenstein, UAE, Qatar, Kuwait, Bahrain, and Saudi Arabia where they still have absolute monarchies but are rich anyway because of US money.
>>85848189>racial diversityrace is a pseudo-concept, it is a complete nothing burger as long as everyone follows the communist ideal of an egalitarian society
>>85848181>to allow everyone to have equal opportunities capitalism needs to be completely dismantled,capitalism is literally the only system that has ever allowed equal opportunities. the problem with leftists is that they don't actually want this, they want equal outcomes, which are simply not possible because people themselves are not equal.
>>85848216Ah, so you're retarded. Understood.
>>85848221>half of all university graduates in the USA are unemployedof course, how can you expect people with the same degree all get a job in their field of studies, I am such a dumb commie, enlighten me more based capitalist chud>>85848227racists should receive the punishment criminals receive in muslim nations
>>85848216Extremely low iq take. If its pseudo science explain why regions of the world have completely different cultures are ways of life. You wanna force people at gun point to live in mixed race societies that inevitably end up being low trust shit holes? Just look at whats happening in France ffs
Communism died in 1991, fascism died in 1945. 21st century capitalism is slowly eroding into neo feudalism.The only ideologies that tackle the 21st century non ironically is landian accelerationism and anarcho primitivism. The questions of technology and the natural world are now the most important thingcommunism in the 21st century is weak, vestigial, and dying, the only reason china is successful is because deng was like "yeah we aint doing that mao shit anymore" and opened up to capital
>>85848060Dicatorships are corrupt and bad, Communism is just a impossible fantasy utopia that is used as pretext by the fools or the evil greedy that want power to instill dictatorships.
>>85848210I was talking about living there more than the tourist experience. And honestly I would rather be jumped by niggers than have to take a life-deciding exam with immense competition and live in a shoebox and be held to insane standards to absolutely everything from behavior, looks and how much I work.
>>85848060I fall under the camp of people that say that it can never work in practice because it goes against human nature.
Communists always killed the peasants and farmers. Like went out of their way to kill them, specifically targeting those who work land to produce food, and they killed them in greater numbers than they ever did to jews, capitalists, bourgeoisie, imperialists, democracyists, religious, etc. people. They wanted everyone living in squalor packed into small blocs in big cities and had this weird obsession with controlling the cultural output far more than they cared about economic output. Essentially they traded robber barons for commisars, the poor still got fucked over and the rich only lived more lavishly.Technology and jewishness is the problem. Get rid of usury, fiat currency, rent seeking. That is much better. We'd all be much happier with 40 acres each and one divinely appointed king. Communism is just as bad as democracy. Both systems are based on exploitation and subjugation. Under a crown the wellbeing of a nation is actually a concern, and not just trying to extract as much as possible before the next election or revolution. A king has to think about the generation 100 years from now.
>>85848247culture and more importantly traditions, which are the things that create culture, are a product of the nature and landscapes where people live, a cajun is a french man, but people that live in the bajou and the people that live in paris have a completely different living style, is it because of race? no is because one lives in a wetland surrounded by crocodiles and the other one lives in a cold citydo I expect an african just adapted from a boat to immediately adapt to europe? of course not, it is a completely different lifestyle, but his or her kids will because european society will be everything they will know, even currently, with segregated no go zones where the refugees get completely alienated of european society, those kids do not behave like their african or muslim counter parts, they behave like a weird mixture of a refugee born and raised in european lands and are completely foreign to the people of the countries their parents came fromrace is a pseudo-concept, land and government are what create culture and tradition
>>85848060Yes, and every communist should get tortured and publicly executed after.
>>85848304Ah yes, the doctors and engineers invading the west through Jew funded NGOs would be upstanding citizens if it werent for those pesky racists holding the black and brown man down. Theyre clearly trying their hardest not to rape and loot native French. I understand the whole world is kiked by usury but you are either naive or have an incentive to destroy europeans
>>85848060yes, it was trash, every ideology of the 20th century has been a resounding failure
>>85848144>Communism only works in hivemind insect colonieswhich work by the queen emitting brainwashing chemicals
>>85848252>yeah we aint doing that mao shit anymoreTianamen Square, plus China only became truly developed after Deng Xiaoping left, it were the reforms that Jiang Zemin and Hun Jintao did that went back to the system Mao established what finally developed all of ChinaDeng wankers only see the fact that he opened the economy to the USA, a thing Mao was unable of doing because of the USA sanctions, Jintao and Zemin show that if Mao's China wouldn't have been heavily sanctioned by the USA China would have developed faster
>>85848060So long as normies exist, yes. They are fundamentally incompatible with such a system. Only a society of autists(really just former spergs, not tard autists) could handle such a system
>>85848341I never said refugees were doctors and engineers, neither are most whites, I implied that western governments willingly create segregated zones where only migrants live disconnecting them and their kids from western society forcing them to not adapt to western lifestyles, this happened to the fucking Irish, Italians, and Poles in the USA despite being europeans and it took them decades to adapt, in fact they never adapted, it was their grandkids that did, same with the mexicans, the USA has had mexicans as part of their society since forever and their grandkids are completely integrated to amerimutt's racist society like Cameron Diaz and Marco Rubio, it is the newly arrived mexicans, the ones who are still brown the ones that don't adapt because amerimutts are racist
>>85848060I think benevolent dictatorships are good but I think the average unironic communist is an extremely evil person (who also thinks they are a really good person)
>>85848423There have been study after study on the genetic differences between races. If your magic soil theory was correct how could Europeans create a place like Rhodesia or South Africa or Orania for a more modern example?
>>85848445The thing about a benevolent dictatorship is that it will only last as long as the leader does. Once he is dead, his subordinates will cannibalize whatever institutions he put in place and just turn it into a regular dictatorship.
>>85848060Anyone retarded enough to fall for the "communism" grift, deserves it, so it actually works out perfectly.
>>85848352>which work by the queen emitting brainwashing chemicalsthere are some conspiracy-minded people who posit that the left is trying to do this very same thing today with some kind of modern version of magnetic brain-altering techniques that we've known about for decades, where you can blast magnetism at someone's brain to alter neuron function and turn off their threat centers, which essentially turns them into leftists who don't see liberal policies like "diversity" and open borders as the existential threats that they are.of course something like this would have a limited range, which is why the left wants everyone contained into secured and surveilled "walkable cities" where they can affect the most people at once while also controlling information flow in and out of these areas.
>>85848454modern example of what? Ethiopia civilized before northern europe, does that mean they are infinetively superior to great britain, france, germany, spain, italy, portugal, russia, greece, and the netherlands? which are the only european countries worth shit and who uplifted the rest of europe by their own, carrying them on their backs just like you believe they have carried the negro, is this way of thinking what made the zog loose to China, they always considered the chinese subhuman insect people and now their society in one EUV lithographic machine away from surpassing the western "civilization" by centuriesthe only subhumans in the world are the autistic racists unable of leaving their backwards and primitive way of thinking because they are to autistic aka subhuman to stop being racists
>>85848445I don't think anyone capable of becoming a dictator could be benevolent.
>>85848505not the anon you replied to but do you really quantify how civilized a country is by economic output?
>>85848060I think it is naive. There's so much more than physical capital to an individuals suffering. There is social capital for starters and that is determined by looks upbringing and genetics and there is emotional capital in the connections we make as human beings. Throwing free things and money won't fix a lot of these problems. Max Stirner spoke of this
>>85848526civilized countries have low crime and have free education and healthcare for all, that's the bare minimum, some african countries are safer than the USA, a country that doesn't even have free healthcare and uses the insurance money to gamble it in investment funds instead of giving the insurance payers the service they paid for
>>85848548Sure but the USA is not really the typical example of a western country.
>>85848505If Ethiopians were superior people would be desperately trying to move into thier country for a higher standard of living. Its not about being superior or inferior it's about the biodiversity of humans and human nature which communism seeks to destroy turning everyone into miserable rootless cattle which can only be done through state violence because it is not natural. Communists cant even get through a meeting without constant in fighting, theyre useless. You sound like a psychopath who is full of envy
>>85848582>people would be desperately trying to move into thier countrythey do and did for thousands of years, lol you write so much nonsense it is laughable, you categorize superior countries by how many people migrate to it? people migrated to Argentina and Australia because the land was good and there was more freedom than in europe, otherwise they were barren shitsholes full of dangerous animals and brown people, yet millions of europeans migrated there, it makes zero zense what you are writing because of that, people migrate to countries for thousands of reasons except for the one you believe, humanity will never become an intergalactic society if we keep being as autistic as you are you clearly don't even know or understand the concepts of traditions, culture, nationalism, and race and you are here talking about how communism wants to destroy everyone by getting rid of the concept of race and racism
>>85848740nta but why do you even use autistic as an insult? If your whole spiel is about how inclusive you want others to be, you aren't setting a good example yourself. Also it's not even the proper word to be used as an insult in this context. Autists don't give a shit about anything other than their special interests, what you're looking for is schizophrenics, who connect everything about the world in contrived ways.
>>85848582>muh migrationholy fuck this is a brown latinx chud hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahshahahahagahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha and people wonder why Mao had to genocide millions of people you are all literally a waste of space, if you want the nazis to genocide you then let us the commies do it first to create a better world where racists no longer exist
>>85848740Argentina and Australia are colonies built by European/Anglo empires. No one moves there for what little the natives can provide. I think colonialism was a bad thing but stop being retarded on purpose. Who is moving to Ethiopia? Are Ethiopians becoming a minority in thier country due to a massive influx of gibs migrants? If anything its Chinese colonialists if I had to guess.
>>85848784What? Im not Latino nor live in the americas. Ive seen my country degenerate due to mass migration in my lifetime and its a disaster. Retards who supported it from the beginning have no foresight
>>85848810>muh colonialismaustralia was a fucking prison not a colony, nobody migrated there to live under british rule, they migrated there to be free, if not they would have stayed in britain, same with argentina the country fucking fought the european empires specifically because they didn't want to be a colony and it was then that europeans started to migrate because they didn't care about being surrounded by negroes and browns, they wanted to be free in a shithole that to be slaves in a "civilized society"
>>85848740>you clearly dont even know or understand the concepts of traditions, culture, nationalism, and race and you are here talking about how communism wants to destroy everyone by getting rid of the concept of race and racismOkay, explain it to me then
>>85848858Right, im sure those prisoners chose to leave to be free because prisoners totally have freedom of movement. And there totally wasnt a white Australia policy because they were all cool with living amongst the aboriginals. South Africa didnt fight tooth and nail to keep apartheid either because the knew diversity is our strength and look at how amazing that country is doing
>>85848548>free education and healthcare for allfor all of their own citizens, perhaps. the second you extend the rights of your own nationals to "all" people, namely to foreign parasites in your own nation, is the second your nation starts to collapse.
>>85848891the hilarious part is that australia once tried to institute breeding programs with abos to essentially genocide them out of existence via interbreeding, but it failed because nobody wanted to fuck the abos, and they realized it would take several generations to turn them into something resembling a human and they simply had not planned for a program that would take up to 80 years and several generations of mandated breeding to accomplish.
>>85848740>people migrated to Argentina and Australia because the land was good and there was more freedom than in europe.They conquered and colonized that land, you fucking retard. The tribes that lived there got pushed off and displaced. Just like brownoids are colonizing europe now, and displacing whites from the land.
>>85849109those white colonists build their own cites and quickly became the dominant civilized power in the region. brownoids are not colonizing europe, they're parasitizing it, and they will be removed in the future.
communism is jewry I could never accept it
>>85849155Most of Communist Russia was white European except for the few muslim Arabs and East Asians
>>85848216>as long as everyone follows the communist ideal of an egalitarian societySo shit that's never happened ever. Multiracial societies are inherent failures if one race isn't on top.
>>85848060Communism was never done right, but damn it the aesthetic is fun as shit
>>85848060Stalin was pretty based but otherwise communism was only decent as a superior alternativie to capitalism which created the degenerate multiracial hellhole we live in now.>>85848191Yes, this is why Lenin nearly destroyed the USSR but Stalin revived it.
>>85848060If it was good there would be successful communist countries that I would be begging to move to. Sorry commieshits but I cant take an ideology seriously that has never worked, and the majority of its followers being the weakest and most sheltered people alive. Plus I know enough people who lived under it.
>>85848060There is no "communism" as it's inherently against human nature. 1 in 10 people will screw you over for personal gain just because they can, and you don't see the idiots that wasted their k-12 days watching YouTube videos as equals. Marx thought everything would just work out once he got his way and the old guard was overthrown, but the awful people immediately rose to the top. Same problem with libertarians ironically, they also think everything will magically work out once they get their way.
mehits already long dead now so i dont care desu
Objectively the most catastrophic ideology ever adopted by man
