>whips out cock
Don't care. Suck it.

>>85887644
All this incel persona shit is because women got me cornered like an animal and I'm forced to defend myself, so I lash out and I do it in the most cringe autistic way possible. I literally can't function if an entire gender disaproves of my existence.

I came to the conclusion that all this accumulated hate that has been festering inside me comes down to this, female disapproval. I wouldn't have a single reason to be angry if it wasn't for this, if men disapproved of me I wouldn't give a shit, but with women is a different story. I wouldn't be awkward, I wouldn't be resentful, I wouldn't have violent and angry thoughts at all if I wasn't abandoned by them.

It's a cycle that feeds upon itself, I can't get female approval so I become bitter, and because I became bitter I put further distance between myself and the opposite gender, the more distance I have from them the more awkward and non-functioning I become, and so on. And it doesn't even matter if I swallow my pride and be a good little beta for them, women don't care and never will.

I'm so fucking tired of being seen as this weird outcast loser type of guy. If it wasn't for this one thing my life wouldn've been much different, I could actually have the motivation to do things, I would have a positive outlook in life despite everything being dystopian. I wouldn't come off as this weird awkward guy who is probably hiding something bad. I could actually LIVE MY LIFE.

>>85887644
larp. short guys are treated fine by women. if you're trying to play most sports the men will bully you, but you're no problem for women.

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>just socialize with them, just pretend you're not bitter
Doesn't matter how many times I try, they can always notice there's something wrong with me, maybe just autism idk, but somehow they always know. I'm bad at socializing even with guys but I had long-term male friends before, but never women. The social game for them is completely differnt, if they can't get something out me immediately they lose interest, they abandon, ghost, they don't actually value my companionship, only what I can provide. I wish I could be into their hobbies but I honestly can't, the stuff I like is very malebrained. Women also are very adamant about following social rules and cues, something I can't do even if I tried.

>>85887644
Are you like Elliot Rodger where you just sit on your ass or walk around and expect chicks to ask you out?

>>85887798
>>85887775
>>85887727
>whips out cock
Here's a little love I could give ya, ya dumb little whiney bitch. Suck it.

>>85887832
short guys are invisible to women, our existence doesn't register in their minds, we're like background characters. There's not a single woman out there who actually enjoys short partners, sometimes they settle and there are extreme outliers, but they never *enjoy* when a male is short. Not to mention how antagonistic they act towards short males online, they might as well kill us.

>>85887868
No, I actually try talking to women, but it never works out. You have to tick every box in order for a woman to actually want to talk to you.

>>85887862
>whips out cock
All you talk is nonsense, you retarded faggot. Suck it.

It's because you don't go fishing, and that affects your relationship with women.
I'm dead serious. The cure for inceldom isn't getting swole at the gym, it's getting wise at the lake.

>>85887644
I'm 31yo friendless khhv and women have either treated me indifferently or been incredibly kind to me with very few exceptions. What are women doing to you exactly?
>>85887862
I have also never had female friends, but I think it was mostly from lack of trying. And then later, fear of women. But I think it would be nice at the end of the day. It's just hard to achieve.
>>85887868
To be fair chad does get chicks asking him out.

>>85887912
>whips out cock
All these dumb thoughts in your head that need to be cleared. Suck it.

>>85887897
I hate to say it, but might it be that your personality is just annoying or off putting? Your assumption that people speak with each other and provide each other companionship for an external purpose is often not the case. Most of the time, people are friends because they want to be friends. If people dont want you for that, it could be an issue of you not being able to provide friendship effectively.

>>85887920
Sorry I'm straight male anon.

>>85887924
Okay but why can't I provide friendship effectively specifically when it comes to women? Like I said, I have achieved male friends, yes only a few but I actually have them. Why are women so different? They always say "just treat them like you'd treat a male bro" and it never works out

>>85887924
>whips out cock
All of these retarded thoughts in your head are off putting. Allow me to clear them. Suck it.

>>85887967
Well, I dont know you, so I cant tell you.
What I can say is that there are many types of people in the world. People who are similar in things like personality and interests tend to get along better, although this is only a generalization. Some people have many traits that are less common. Such people tend to find less like minded people, so they struggle to make friends.
Im just making a guess, so I apologize if it doesnt seem accurate, but perhaps youre just far removed from the average woman.

>>85887912
>I'm 31yo friendless khhv and women have either treated me indifferently or been incredibly kind to me with very few exceptions. What are women doing to you exactly?
Well what inspired me to make this thread was being unfriended by a random girl for basically no reason. I feel like socializing with women is like navigating a minefield. There's always some stupid tiny thing that ruins it all. And women have been mean to me in some occasions, and when it comes from them it hurts 10x more.

>>85887988
>whips out cock
I said SHUT THE FUCK UP, YOU IDIOT! Suck it.

>>85887988
>but perhaps youre just far removed from the average woman
I am, and they made this way. I would probably be a giganormie if they accepted me and loved me.

>>85888010
A normie as you likely mean it is just someone whose personalities and interests are average.
Why do you want to spend time around people who have very little in common with you? It almost sounds like you just want to sleep with them.

>>85887644
it's people like you who give women power they should not have.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxacX72snA&ra=m

>>85888041
Honestly my interests are not even that special, I'm mostly into video games, music, drawing, all basic shit. What is strange is that I met people who were very similar to me in intersts but we couldn't bond together. Maybe it's more about personality. And YES I think sleeping with them would change things a lot, even if it happened only once. If I could get one woman to see me as sexually attractive I wouldn't be anywhere as bitter as I currently am, if I could lift the incel curse forever.

>>85888078
Theres plenty of a factors. Interests and personality are just a few. Regardless, I dont really understand what youre complaining about. Youre upset that people who you dont get along with dont want to bang you?

>>85888095
>Youre upset that people who you dont get along with dont want to bang you?
I'm upset that ALL women don't get along with me, don't want to bang me and don't even see me as a real living thing worthy of being accepted and treated as an equal.

>>85888060
>it's people like you who give women power they should not have.
What should I even do then? What is the winning move?

>>85887993
Well yeah that's true, navigating social mores that many women put a lot of stock in when you're an autist like me can be pretty difficult.
>And women have been mean to me in some occasions, and when it comes from them it hurts 10x more.
That makes sense, I've been lucky to never experience this. Well except when I was pretty young but I don't really count that.

>>85888112
How does someone not wanting to hang out with you imply they think youre subhuman?

>>85888123
Not just someone, it's the entire female gender. And it don't know how to answer this, it just feels that way, like they know I'm inadequate, I'm not good enough. It breaks your mind, eats away at your soul. Women are the ones who determine whether a man is a winner or a loser, the loser gets outcasted, ostracized, neglected, literally gets left to die alone while the rest of the tribe moves on.

>>85887644
You have to accept loneliness, OP. If you do not, you're only in for more hurt. At the end of the day, it is not your fault. It's your parents'. They should've known and not put you on the earth.

>>85888176
The problem, I think, is that you arent looking at friendship as an end in and of itself, which is how most people look at it.

>>85888176
>the loser gets outcasted, ostracized, neglected, literally gets left to die alone while the rest of the tribe moves on.
Death is going to come for them, too. In two billion years, the sun expands and the earth is absorbed by it and, then, finally, the experiment that is life is going to end. You've got the play the long game, OP. In the end, we are going to win.

>>85888188
I don't see the point in anything anymore. Nothing brings me joy, all I want is this one thing. I already tried so hard to accept loneliness even as far back as 2017-2018 was already coping, telling myself "it's ok if I stay in my room alone doing nothing, I just have to accept loneliness" or "actually being a shut-in is good, it's le niche and based" (yes I was that retarded and delusional).

>>85888202
I'm always looking for people to hang out with, on the internet at least. I'd love to have female friends if I could genuinely connect with them.

>>85888263
Youre missing my point. To seek friendship as an end rather than a mean means that you want to be friends with someone because you would get along rather than because you want a friend who happens to be a woman.

>>85888239
I should have been more precise. I do not want to say: Hide away in your room. No, go in the world. Meet people. Live the life that you want. But accept that you'll not be romantically loved. You have to accept that. But try to enjoy what it is possible. Do not punish yourself. It is not your fault and you do not deserve punishment.

>>85888239
>Nothing brings me joy
Something has to bring you joy, no? Maybe a cup of coffee in the morning. Or the sunrise. Or playing video games, watching anime. There has to be something, no?

>>85888263
>I'd love to have female friends if I could genuinely connect with them.
It's impossible, bc both you and her know that there's always the possibility you MIGHT be in for more. That you've at least thought of it at a point. There's no "friendship" between men and women.

>>85888283
I mean, of course friends are only people I can get along with, it just so happens that I can never find female friends, because I like I said, the social game is way different for them. If you think I'm only looking for "friends" I can eventually turn into girlfriends then idk, I don't think it works when you're short and autistic, they already made up their mind before you even talked to them

>>85888353
>If you think I'm only looking for "friends" I can eventually turn into girlfriends then idk
I dont know why you want female friends and I dont really care.
Regardless, if, with another PERSON, you cannot socialize with them comfortably, they wouldnt be a good friend in the first place.
And your claim of being generalized is itself a generalization. Why would you want to be friends with someone who doesnt like you because youre short anyways?

>>85888314
>No, go in the world. Meet people. Live the life that you want. But accept that you'll not be romantically loved. You have to accept that. But try to enjoy what it is possible.
I don't feel like doing any of that shit if I know I'm going to be an unloved virgin forever

>Something has to bring you joy, no? Maybe a cup of coffee in the morning. Or the sunrise. Or playing video games, watching anime. There has to be something, no?
A few months ago, maybe. But now everything came crashing down, none of that brings me real pleasure, at most I can get a tiny hit of dopamine after seeing something funny, but then it goes away too quick, I go back to being depressed.

>>85888392
That's a good point actually. I guess it all comes back to craving female approval. When I have a female friend I'm not only having a good companion, I'm also having definitive proof that I'm not completely worthless. That alone helps.

>>85888353
Women have not made up their mind before they've talked to you. You are applying a logic of instrumentalization to the thought process of women who do or do not form friendships with you. Your conclusion from that is that you do not have anything to offer them. And then the subsequent emotional reaction to that promotes self-isolation and avoidant behavior. Rethink this initial application of the logic of instrumentalization to women as they form relationships, and try to construct an alternative theory of mind. Women form relationships without any conscious or formal expectation of reward. They are less goal oriented. Their judgments about you are diffused and inextricably linked to developed social proximity and emotional investment. By sustained interactions and honest emotional communication they will develop bonds. There are men that are less attractive than you, more awkard than you, and less resource rich than you who are still able to have friendships with women and even form relationships.

>>85888402
I'll not blame your for staying a NEET. But I believe you're doing yourself a disservice. If you're young (below 30), give it a try, at least. You owe it to yourself, man.

>>85888402
>I go back to being depressed
It's tempting to give in to depression, I know. But you have to try and resist. The lost days, months and years of your life only compound and are going to haunt you, when you're too old to change anything.

>>85888432
And surely, on some level, you recognize that this mindset is pathological and corrosive both to yourself and those around you, correct?
A healthy friendship is reciprocal. If this is how you think of the women you want to be friends with, is it not the correct choice for them to choose not to hang out with you?

>>85888440
>There are men that are less attractive than you, more awkard than you, and less resource rich than you who are still able to have friendships with women and even form relationships.
I honestly doubt it, at least the relationship part. Either way those guys always have something else to offer that I don't have, could be a better personality (being more NT), a more positive attitude, or they could just be the oofy doofy archetype, or something else entirely.

>>85888440
You're highly underestimating the superficiality of life. The point of all of this, of your entire live, is that you reproduce. At least, that's what you're biologically meant to do. Both men and women are primed for that purpose. No amount of theory building and state of mind is going to change any of that.

>>85888472
I don't see this as a mindset, I see it more as the absolute truth. I don't understand why women would find this corrosive when they're the ones who made up the rules.

>>85888518
And on what authority do you have it that the average person has the same twisted view of friendship as you do? What basis do you have for this absolute truth?
Why must it not be that people seek friendship for the sake of friendship but rather your warped concept of status?

>>85888548
You're a woman. You've no idea, how it is. What you say is actually true for you and your experience of life. But as a man nobody wants to be your friend, if you do not have money or power and are ugly.

>>85888548
Don't get me wrong, I'm not specifically looking for friendships with women because I want to get higher status, I just KNOW it would make me less of a pathetic loser. If I could enjoy the company of a woman who also enjoys mine it would be wonderful. I'm not trying to climb an invisible social ladder or anything.

>>85887644
Yeah things basically just suck. Idk what to tell you man

>>85888627
pipe down buddy
being a beta orbiter does not make you high status in the eyes of anybody serious

>>85888627
You have this image of women as a collective that is petty, vapid, and cruel. If thats how women are, if they truly do have such a twisted view of friendship (your absolute truth), why the fuck do you think it would be wonderful to be friends with one? Why do you think it would somehow make you a better person?

>>85888735
Can you explain why this is a twisted view of friendship? From my perspective it is twisted for ME, I'm on the receiving end of a very unfair treatment. I didn't get to decide this, if it was up to me men and women would be on the same level, but in reality it's women who get to choose, who get to decide who's worthy and who's a loser, men barely do that, they just keep what they can get, which for most average men it's almost nothing anyway.

>>85888788
>Can you explain why this is a twisted view of friendship?
Because healthy friendship is reciprocal.
>From my perspective it is twisted for ME, I'm on the receiving end of a very unfair treatment.
What treatment? The fact that the women youve met dont want to be friends with you? Would it be more fair if they were forced to be friends with you? Would you prefer a world where friendship need not be reciprocal?
>if it was up to me men and women would be on the same level, but in reality it's women who get to choose, who get to decide who's worthy and who's a loser, men barely do that, they just keep what they can get, which for most average men it's almost nothing anyway.
What do you think is the fundamental definition of a loser? Someone who doesnt have female friends?

>>85888833
It's women who don't reciprocate. Also no, I don't want women to be forced to do something they don't want to, I just WISH they wanted my companion and didn't see me as a total failure.

>What do you think is the fundamental definition of a loser? Someone who doesnt have female friends?
Basically someone who can't get what they want out of life, in my case I want female companionship, intimacy and approval.

>>85888887
How can you possibly expect me to believe that when youre the one speaking of women as a monolith?

>>85888912
It's funny when people say this when in my entire life I haven't met a single woman who treated me a different way. Not ONE, out of literal thousands. Oh it's probably just bad luck, right? Lmao come on

>>85888956
Im not disputing whether or not woman are a monolith. Im saying that, if you think that women are a monolith, I cannot in good faith believe that your desire for friendship from *all women* is somehow born out of sincerity.

>>85888967
No, it's not all women. No one can be approved by all women. If I was approved by a decent amount of women enough to form friendships with them I probably wouldn't be as messed up as I am now.

>>85888999
So? That doesnt change my point. If you think all women are petty, vapid, and cruel, what does that say about your desire to ingratiate yourself with them?

>>85889019
In reality I don't even think women are petty, vapid or stupid. I just know that I have been filtered by them.

>>85889019
I think we're overlooking the difference between
>are/is
>acts like
The optimist can look at a badly-behaved person and imagine that they can be better, if they just choose to be.
A lot of people these days are really unpleasant by choice and upbringing, not by nature.

>>85889059
Regardless of what you think about them, the way you describe them as is categorically petty, vapid, and stupid. The very fact that they can all be understood universally would, itself, make them petty, vapid, and stupid.
So then the heart of this as follows: deep down, how do you actually feel about women?

>>85889099
I don't know how I feel about women. Some are pretty nice, but it's not like that changes anything for me since they still reject me. I am resentful but I don't want to be. I know deep down I'm just angry at my own inadequacies, even if all of this seems very unfair.

>>85888078
I used to think like this. Remember that anyone can do whatever they want for their own selfish reasons. Tons of people like games, music, and art now. Tons of people make them too. Frankly with the resources out there, anyone can make them (and I'm not even talking about AI). In that sense, checking for compatibility in your personalities matter much more. Maybe you consider those interests a reflection of your "true self", but your trvest self manifests in everything you do and that also goes for those women you've interacted with.

>>85889152
My entire point here is that looking at this in terms of moral failure is pointless and self destructive. Whether or not your inability to effectively communicate is the cause of your issues with women, the simple truth is that friendship is meant to be reciprocal. You simply are not meant to be friends with someone who wont reciprocate. Wallowing in that despair is pointless. If you truly want to befriend more women, you would work on doing that instead of wallowing in despair.
>but it always ends the same!
If thats how you act, thats how itll end. But if you truly want something, why are you giving up so easily? What you want (or at least, what you SHOULD want) is a woman who is similar to you in such a way that you can get along. If you truly think that women can be human beings too, there is no reason for you to believe that is impossible.
And if you dont see women as humans, why would you care anyways? But, deep down, I dont think thats how you actually feel. But only you can know that for certain.
>>85889097
Eh. Maybe, but the only thing that matters is the people in YOUR life, so functionally, its the same, no?

>>85888491
>Either way those guys always have something else to offer that I don't have, could be a better personality (being more NT), a more positive attitude, or they could just be the oofy doofy archetype, or something else entirely.
They don't. You're looking for some reason as to why nobody would ever love you. You have a delusional belief and refuse to let go of it. Not everyone thinks or feels the same way you do, especially women. You want to be a victim so bad.

>>85888494
Total nonsense. Our behaviors and drives are multifaceted and complex. They aren't reducible to the goal of reproduction. And even if they were, conceiving of a behavior or thought pattern as advantageous under certain types of evolutionary pressure is not proof of it's occurrence.