>>13135631
why not simply not use discord

there are hate speech infractions on discord now? the chat program for GAMERS?

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>>13135631
rude.

you mentioned discord and highschool and you made me feel old i used xfire and teamspeak back in highschool...

>>13135633
nice dubs yes gamers are being genocided are you going to take real gamers seriusly now?

>>13135636
Today I saw something about GTA san andreas and how its 22 years old. I had to check. It really is 22 years old

>>13135631
Discord is gay and tranny groomers, they won't let you do hate speeches

>>13135649
Why do you think kitafag is on there?

i gonna use this thread to talk about self-hosted open source instant messaging i've tried over time (i self-hosted each of these)

xmpp

oldest of the bunch, has been around and was meant to be a successor to IRC, server side is very lightweight and you can support a lot of users on modest hardware
has a myriad of clients, a lot of them feel dated though ui wise
supports e2e, the goto client which i think is gajim uses omemo out of the box as an encryption default, i don't know if this is actually by design or i just wasn't able to figure it out (which means normal users certainly won't) but it doesn't seem this type of encryption actually allows for a newly added device to decrypt older unencrypted messages, has federation meaning users on different xmpp servers can seamlessly talk to each other, less popular than matrix

matrix

much heavier server side because how bloated federation is
basically, chat history is synced and replicated across all servers 1:1, what this means that your resource usage will shoot up exponentially merely because someone on your homeserver joined a couple of big rooms
a billion of clients, with most of them kinda lacking in different ways be it UI or features (like the ability to copy an image from your clipboard...)
supports e2e encryption, cross-device experience when it comes to decrypting messages is generally better than xmpp but still kinda confusing sometimes even for power users
the people who actually pay the bills and are the main customers of the project are corporations/freaking bundeswehr which i think skews development towards things regular users don't care about

like, i don't think there's a single client that allows you manually change your online presence because it's something that simply does not exist in the protocol spec
the official matrix homeserver even has presence straight up disabled because it's taxing resource wise and they haven't fixed this for years

haven

i think this is basically vibecoded by a single guy, very new
i kinda like it though, it's basically "discord at home", very easy to setup, extremely lightweight, no federation, e2e is supported for DM's only
basically meant to be a replacement for single discord community/server

fluxer

a literal 1:1 open source discord clone, looks nice, very new
seems to be seeing very active development
no e2e, no federation (but this seems to be planned?)
self-hosting is kinda rough around the edges tho and things aren't very well documented
will probably keep checking on

this concludes my review

>>13135696
>>13135708
thanks for the review.
*sip*

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