Can you prove you're not a brain in a vat?
>>13182752only one way to find out
>>13182754Dying won't do it.
>>13182759then how to unplug that god damn thing
>>13182760they invented terrariums in the real world where fully enclosed functioning ecosystems can thrive for decades with no outside input. A society with sufficiently advanced biotechnology could build the same thing for a brain.Your fortune: Godly Luck
>>13182761But why though?
Every time you go to sleep, you die. Every time you die, you go to sleep, then wake up again, continuing your life just like before. We keep repeating this eternal cycle of life and death and nothing will change it because we're all just souls in a pod controlled by higher beings (or Gods) but it was never meant to be bad, all they ever wanted was to give us (formerly them) a beautiful playground where we can all experience the nicest things life can give, like love, happiness, and beauty, but it eventually failed and now we're all stuck in hell.Your fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger
>>13182763one of those real world people just built the terrarium as a hobby. They forgot about it and came back several years later to find it was still alive.Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail
>>13182786I guess ethically for them it would be like we treat embryos and stem cells.
>>13182794it is like forgetting pandas are genetically altered pompoki racoons
>>13182752can u prove i am ?Your fortune: Better not tell you now
>>13182752why would I want to do that?Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!
Well I'm a brain either wayYour fortune: Outlook good
how can you prove you're not a fruit fly
>>13182879LOLE!!!
>>13182879Lol.Your fortune: ｷﾀ━━━━━━(ﾟ∀ﾟ)━━━━━━ !!!!
>>13182862Why not?
>>13182879Benchod
>>13182752can *you*?
>>13182752what is the difference between a brain in a vat and a brain in a skull
>>13183069Other minds not being real
>>13183078???
>>13183079You being fed purely digital inputs and being basically alone
>>13183080what is the difference
>>13183081https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brain_in_a_vat
>>13183083Yes I understand, I'm asking you to define the difference between the experience a brain in a vat is having and the experience a brain in a skull is havingi very much doubt there is any difference
>>13183085there is nonethe brain can't even tell the difference if you are dreaming or awake. You could be dreaming right now and there's no way to ever know until you wake up
>>13183086yes exactly that's what i'm sayingit's ridiculous like let's stop worrying about it alreadydreaming awake whateverconsciousness is the only thing that remains consistent
>>13182924I forgotYour fortune: Good Luck
>>13182752I mean, I don't think the question is that meaningful. It's a materialistic point of view of something that I'm ultimately not. Nobody can ever truly be a physical thing.
>>13183069 lmao trueIt's dread from fallacious thinkingIt's seriously common and goes unchecked almost every time
>>13182752We're all literally brains in flesh vats.
Nigga, I go out of my way all the time to take care of my flesh suit. I don't even do that good a job, but I sure take a lot of time to conduct maintenance on my flesh suit, and balance out the imbalances of my natural flesh suit. I am very aware of my physical body. My consciousness only goes as far as my body does.
>>13183390>He gets tricked by his brain to take care of its support system.NGMI
>>13183390>My consciousness only goes as far as my body does.okay but it can go beyond that though
>>13182752mikugirl...
>>13183390Yoi could still be a biv
>>13182752yeah *shits on ur keyboard*
>>13183784Fuck you
>>13184038don't worry, there is no proof that anyone actually did anything
>>13184038so he is the company fluffer, it is registered in mexico as blower cia. it is loosely translated like ur moms loose caboose as a dude that thinks the b52s are not loveshacks in the sky
>>13184053what
>>13184373The guy who invented the B-52 was named Fred
>>13182777trips>>13183066>>13183399>>13184377dubs
>>13185240thx
>>13182752Yes but only to people on the same level above the vats as me. The people in the vats just dance to simulations. Anything I change is meaningless to them as they dance to the protein's natural reactions subsequent reactions.
pro tip: you can't
>>13186284don't worry kid in your twenties, you'll get there.
>>13183341most thinking is fallacious. the vast majority, actually. reality is purely a matter of perspective, in the realest sense>>13183078acknowledging that everyone else could be a p-zombie is fairly normal>>13183080solitude is objectively better for you spiritually. if anything its a good thing that lets you detach yourself from needing to care for othersYour fortune: You will meet a dark handsome stranger
>>13182752can you prove you're not addicted to heroin?...miss hatsune? hello?Your fortune: Good news will come to you by mail
>>13186619Solipsism is terrifying
vsauce michael here
>>13183080>>13186300I hate having to spell this out, because it really should be self-evident, but apparently isn't for some people:The experience you are having RIGHT NOW is the "brain-in-a-vat" experience. It is completely dark inside your skull. Your optic nerves are opaque. Everything you know and experience about the surrounding world, all your hopes, dreams, loved ones, happens inside your brain (which is inside your skull where light can not reach), in the form of electrical signals transferred from your senses to your brain. If someone were to record those electrical signals, and play them back to you, your brain would not be able to tell the difference between the "real" experience and the simulated one.There is no way to tell if you're a brain in a vat, or even if literally all of existence consists only of your fucking brain....Nor does it matter if it does. You are already having this experience. Your brain is literally a simulation of the world. That's how the brain works.
>>13187684word
>>13187684You're right.
knowledge doesn't require ruling out far-fetched possibilities
>question that can't be proven or disproven because it undermines empirical evidence itself >lol can you prove this?Your fortune: Bad Luck
>>13188805You have other tools you can use
>>13186300two same numbers
No
>>13182752Technically no but no one really believes this. One can't disprove solipsism either. Try forming a club for solipsists and see how that goes. Reality is what it is.
i am a brain in a vat
13190649Yeah but then you get psychotic and think an evil god has trapped you in an endless delusion chamber as an experiment and that's not nice
>>13190649>>13190924Like you can't prove other minds and stuff
>>13190932you can't really prove anything
You can't prove shit but you have to live as if things are real anyway because there are still consequences and cause and effect to deal with. Its as real as anything and seems consistent and predictable. Its worthless idea except as a thought experiment because you can't do anythnig with it. This is the reality we have to deal with whatever it might be
>>13190971it's also kind of stupid because it posits that brains are real yet they somehow work in some way where they aren't aware of their surroundings. like if you put a brain in a jar it would still generate a human experience, but that's wrong. the brain would just be a jar's brain. it would only know jar.
>>13190988Yea lol it would just be looking out of a jar all day. Just some kind of jar man
In the end we all have to believe something
>>13190997Some kind of Jar Jar...
>>13190988>>13190966two same numbers!
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>>13192117>>13192497>>13193108its ok to be a brain in a vat because it doesn't actually affect anything and you can just live your life normally
>>13182752it is impossible, all of your senses would have to be called into question and there would be no real way to get accurate information
>>13193688that's maddening
>>13193800that's dubsYour fortune: Good Luck
>>13193800not really, it doesn't really change anything, just like stories and dreams can have meaning so can simulationswhat matters is how you like the experience
>>13193809that's a way to look at things
asking for a frenYour fortune: Godly Luck
>>13194585lole
>>13193800do you feel like you have to know everything about reality
>>13194895it's existential ocd
>>13194897did you know about a thing called identity fusion? I was struggling with this until I understood it. It's the cause of religious psychosis and other stupid brainfarts like that. You have to remember the function or role you perform is different from your actual identity, or you enter this absurd mental state where you have to control everything and become a god
>>13194905is this like when your ego becomes attached to your body
>>13194909something like that i guessit's "I perform the function" vs "I am the function". The latter is a total brainfart and not connected to anything real, but nonetheless could be deeply entrenched into the human experience
>>13194905i already had religious psychosis it's not fun
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