Flynn was such a coping dumbass kek; it’s not like we didn’t have that one 2013 study pointing to us losing roughly 10-15 IQ points since the Victorian period It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhat
More brown shitskins than ever speak English and more native speakers can't fathom large words
The Flynn effect is horse shit.Modern day people:— ‘College students once stood out from the pack on IQ tests. Today, they're about average. A recent meta-analysis found that undergraduates' IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 in 1939 to a mean of 102 in 2022, just slightly above the population average of 100.’Victorians as they were:— ‘The Victorian era was marked by an explosion of innovation and genius, per capita rates of which appear to have declined subsequently. The presence of dysgenic fertility for IQ amongst Western nations, starting in the 19th century, suggests that these trends might be related to declining IQ. This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creative. We tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study. Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence (g) and are considered elementary measures of cognition. In this study we used the data on the secular slowing of simple reaction time described in a meta-analysis of 14 age-matched studies from Western countries conducted between 1889 and 2004 to estimate the decline in g that may have resulted from the presence of dysgenic fertility. Using psychometric meta-analysis we computed the true correlation between simple reaction time and g, yielding a decline of − 1.16 IQ points per decade or − 13.35 IQ points since Victorian times. These findings strongly indicate that with respect to g the Victorians were substantially cleverer than modern Western populations.’1. White people suck at breeding.2. Why do we keep pretending that we aren’t getting dumber? The youth of today are aberrant creatures and can barely be considered human.
>>16909042is this article talking about zoomers or alphas? I need to know to know if I should be mad or not.Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence
>>16909058>Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligenceWhy are you coping?
>>16909058Um. No. It’s 100% the kids fault for not educating themselves properly. They look at redundant information bases. They’re not wise. They think they know better than everyone. This is why there won’t be another “lone genius” like Einstein. The mere idea is threatening.
No, it was a real effect it just masked G and leftoid parasites used it to justify funding subhuman education
>>16909157*masked G declineAlso IQ was always a bullshit manipulated metric they literally designed it to hide sex differences so it's unsurprising you would see all these training effects
>>16909043>Some victorian guys wrote that their reaction speed was X and that's higher than today's average and since reaction speed is correlated with other cognitive abilities this means people back then had a higher iqWe should put economists and psychologists in concentration camps and force them to derive every statistic from probability axioms until these subhumans stop doing shit like this
>>16909042let me guess: the COVID generation, the one that had to learn through computers while being distracted by their phones (tiktok, instagram, games, ...), most of which didn't get a proper education (and some still don't) and cheated their way through school, is more retarded than previous generations.
>>16909061education has nothing to do with IQLower IQ is due to mass importing low IQ populations.. also diets getting worse, also rampant dysgenics within the white race
>>16909248>education has nothing to do with IQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA/sci/ - Science & Math
>>16909252What pray tell is your argument?
>>16909042between a generation raised with internet access and a generation raised with AI access, each generation loses more of the ability to think and reason.They literally have to go back to paper homework and exams and just prohibit all electronics from the classroom. But rtarded teachers union would never allow it.
>>16909254some of the things they "test" on IQ tests are literally taught in math classes. you develop skills from education, retard. go ask any teacher. genetics might play a role, but it isn't everything.
Let's think positively.At least 4chan has a bright future.
>>16909042https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA
>>16909941not with rapeape running things
>>16909352Please give specific example including the test it came from. Pro-tip: Mensa Norway isn't a valid test.
>>16909352IQ tests are typically about memory, pattern recognition, mental modeling, and logic. If it flags someone as retarded at these things, good chance he's a retard IRL.
>>16910023what is pic rel if not basic fucking math and pattern recognition?from https://pdfhost.io/v/VvlBnkMt7_Mensa_Practice_Test_US (found in https://old.reddit.com/r/mensa/comments/juwfeg/leak_mensa_practice_test/)>>16910026>good chance he's a retard IRL.sure, but that doesn't mean they will be retarded forever, or that they are ACTUALLY retarded.riddle me this, batman: what was first, the chicken or the egg?people might be bad at math and pattern recognition because of genetics, but ALSO because of many other issues, circumstances, etc. even because of simple ignorance.also, people can develop logical thinking, pattern recognition and other intellectual skills in life outside school, you know?
>>16910000uh excuse you, gurpreet is carrying jeffrey's flame very well actually
Flynn effect sounds correct. IQ peaking in the 1970s sound about like what we would expect
>>16910323This. The racial percentages of the population is changing.
>>16909042Humanity doesn't even understand what "intelligence" is.
The Flynn effect was always a form of coping No one wants to acknowledge where we are headed
>>16909058>Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligenceKys you pathetic nigger
>>16909043>slightly boost education levelsby moving the definition of "education" to something a lot less rigorous or demanding, mind youapplies to grad shit obviously but im the states you basically can't even flunk someone in school because of the no child left behind policy
>>16910325IQ only seems to have peaked in the 70s because that's when they stopped getting debuffed by leaded gasoline
>>16910815Generation Micro-Plastics in their brain
>>16910828Sad!
>>16910072>what was first, the chicken or the egg?the egg, obviously, because egg-laying reptiles existed before chickens existedfaggot
>>16909252Public education is just daycare.College is just a debt trick.Most college students paths are not STEM.
>>16909042Wait until AI generation grows old enough to do those test. They will be most retarded generation in recorded history and (((they))) are already talking about repurposing schools to raise good people, since everything else can be done by AI. It's a perfect storm.
It wasn't supposed to be a documentary.
>>16911737But Mike Judge literally said it was?
>>16909042>First generation to be more conservative than the preceding one >First generation to be dumber than the preceding onehmmm
>>16909042The vast majority of people are barely capable of being fry cooks at McDonald's.>We're the smartest everK
>>16911943Don’t pretend this isn’t a consequence of liberals telling people that men can get pregnant.
>>16912037It's okay zoomie, you're just not smart enough to be progressive
>>16911668>Public education is just daycare.funny you say that. my ex was a private school teacher. the shit she saw there was worse in comparison to my public school. imagine paying to "educate" your children with other entitled (on top of mentally unstable) little pieces of shit lmaoyou are right in a sense, though: private ed gives you a good start simply because of "networking"
>>16912037>liberals telling peopleOnly rednecks are people, everyone else is communist.
>>16909042The negative Flynn effect has been observed for more than 5 years dumbass
>>16909047>reaction timeLmao, fucking pathetic. This is all the """evidence"""
>>16909042answer this instead you psychometric midwit>>16911788Your whole field is a laughable fraud and all yall belong in prison for scientific misconduct
I think the first person to invent/recreate fire or build the first wheel was morally lucky.
>>16909165>Also IQ was always a bullshit manipulated metricthen go ahead go study for a IQ test and get 200 pointsoh wait you cant.
>>16909042I'm glad every generation of North Africans is continually getting more intelligent because they have like 7 kids on average.
>>16909058>they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligenceHow fast you can swipe your phone with one hand while vaping in the other?
>>16912561Anon, You misuderstand my meaning.The IQ test was specifically designed to remove any IQ difference between men and women.It was designed to be gender neutral so they disposed of the tests that benefited men or women but mostly those that benefited men
It was ALWAYS bullshit ALWAYS
>>16910815nope, they stopped selling leaded gas in the mid 90s, peak blood lead levels came in the 80s
>studies show the effect is across racial lines>people blame race anywayhahaha you're going to get into the "it's everyone for themselves" scenario where basic sanity becomes more precious than money. This is basically already the case from my point of view.>want to binge watch television for five hours tonight?>let's take psychoactive medication every day several times a day with little to no actual knowledge of what it is or what it does!>I went into $160k for a business degree and I work at Target. My backup plan was social justice
>>16913163Waiting on proof...
Let's say hypothetical I am very wealthy and will live sixty more years. What will 2086 look like? What has sixty years of 5g handheld supercomputer internet devices done to the humans? Well I basically expect the smartphones to take over. You'll look at humans but they'll be like androids or operating systems on the phone wearing a human skin-suit, like everything they do is expectedly predicate on algorithms whether it's through curated services' machine drift, or through direct advertising. Either way it's mentally parasitic and malicious.>hey uhh why are you dress in cheap slutty clothing from fucking Shein?>oh I see you're retarded and poor
But me personally I'm ready for nonsense insanity retarded evil planet. This is NWO? This is our new management?>hey Trumpo what's 30% of the economy directed towards? cars? No it's AI>you see we'll get the AI datacenters to convert drinking water and electricity into fucking brainrot>all we have to do is hook people on to shitty AI tools and then we can charge them subscriptions out the ass when they forget how to do simple things themselves>they're legal citizens but are basically zombies>oh hey the only use for AI that's seen anywhere near mass adoption is cheating at school and porn>I'm glad college students are so rich nowadays for subscription cheating services>but at least the data centers are super fucking noisy so they just crash the property values of people around them into shit craterI think history was always fucked up in some way or another but at least I truly see it now
>>16915174Proof of what?
>>16915183I would live next to a data center waterfall desu
>>16909047Why would you trust reaction time measurements from 1889?No one trusts any measurements from 1889 in any field today.
>>16909058They're eating laundry detergent anon. Laundry detergent. There is no version of any reality where that isn't fucking stupid.
>>16915478t. Poor reaction times
:> https://stevenschwartz.substack.com/p/getting-dumber-the-reverse-flynn> Getting dumber: the reverse Flynn effect and the politics of denial> For decades, humanity appeared to be getting smarter. Then, inconveniently, it wasn’t. IQs are now sliding backwards, and instead of asking why, we’ve decided to pretend intelligence doesn't matter.
>>16915478anon, how long ago was the inch standardised?
>>16915786>we’veWho is this we?
>>16915791Everyone who ever supported the Flynn effect. It was a no brainer that we’ve been getting dumber. An increasing access to knowledge doesn’t guarantee people won’t breed poorly or develop pride to the point where they can no longer listen.
It was always a form of cope Always
>>16909042>my Factor-Analysis fraud masquerading as Science asserts that intelligence is hereditary and thus needs thousands of years to undergo significant change in the population by means of natural selection>my measured "intelligence" in large populations keeps changing within short timespans like 10-20 years refuting my claim that what I measure could be hereditaryI dont think Flynn is the one with pie on his face, breh
>>16915811FA fraudsters really have no sense of shame. IQ rises or IQ shrinks in populations are both equally big problems for the proposition that IQ tests measure innate qualities. You fagets trying to pass this off as a win when it literally destroys all your claims is lulzy to say the least
>>16909042kek
Quality of life in childhood is the best predictor of IQ, and IQ itself is just one metric. This indicates that the developed world has been treating people worse, which is obvious to anyone who has eyes. People on here will bitch and moan about whites and muh IQ but truth is they aren't particularly good at the things IQ is supposed to make you good at either.
>>16909042Lmaoooo the Flynn effect max has an impact of .2-.5 points on FSIQ and there are confounding variables aka features that are derived from what can explanatorily be definitive of sub test score changes
>>16909042>why dont boomers give us their shit?Now we found the zoomer issue: Skill issue.
>>16909248this>>16909252education didn't help you
>>16918437I believe there were research studies which have shown that education correlates with IQ positively.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6088505/But even if this study is incorrect or makes false conclusions, we need to be certain if IQ is entirely genetic, enviromental, or both. Basically we need to figure out whether lowering IQ rates are due to genetics, poor education (either because the system is bad, or because the younger generation does not want to study; I mean half of our future doctors will pass med school with ChatGPT.) It's not an easy thing to solve so we can't argue now whether it's caused by X, Y or Z, or something else entirely..
>>16909042Duh
>>16909042If the test is trainable it just tests if students are being trained.Falling scores indicate an irrelevant test or poor training
>>16909042The Flynn effect was just caused by us both banning leaded gas in cars and the Haber-Bosch process creating a food surplus that led to much higher rates of nutrition. We're just observing the fallout now that that's evened out.
>Flynn effect stops>It was always bullshitthese are not the same thing and I doubt it stopped this is just the effect of no school during covid
>>16909042Nope. Flynn effect predicted that poor regions will have faster IQ growth as they become more developed.
>>16909042this was done on purpose to destroy your civilization.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ
>>16910323>>16910332YOu know no one does IQ tests in Africa, right? These all have to do with developed and developing nations in the Americas and Europe (possibly Oceania as well).
>>16909042No shit retard LMAO kys
>>16920935Do you forget that much of africa was ruled by euros with teams who performed various studies on the native tribes.
>>16923204Euros didn't care about the IQ of Africans so much as using them as hard labor for building their empires. Why do you think they put them in jobs that didn't require a lot of thinking but a lot of strength to perform them? That goes for any colonial superpower in history from the Romans to the Turks to the Spaniards,French and English: you don't put your slaves in positions of power where they can undermine you or even give them the chance to think they can or are able to do such.
>>16909042funny how they chose to pull out an all-white stock image for that article
>>16920935>no one does IQ tests in AfricaWhat? Download v 1.3.5 and look at the ns of all of the African countries. https://viewoniq.org/?page_id=9
>>16909278Let's be honest. Teachers aren't smart enough to go back to the old ways. They arent allowed to hit the kids either which greatly limits how hard you can push them.
>>16909042High IQ of an animal that wouldn't relate or help, doesn't live long and wants to hang the public with their sexuality.well bla bla the iq of these pests has gone down, oh really?
Reminder that every time you see one of these "X has changed in the young generation" headline, its just demographics.
>>16923404Those sample sizes are fucking horrendous for any supposedly scientific study. This is basically just trash data for retarded racists to propagate their poorly thought out pablum
>>16924165>Reeecist!
>>16924165PISA sample size is 20,000 students from 800 schools.
>>16909047>tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic studyHow did they find a Victorian to participate in the study with high-quality instrumnents
Black people.
>>16925459I think all races are getting dumber.
>>16925507Yes, but, black people.
>>16923310Because they know the problem has nothing to do with whites so they pull out the rare photo of a homogenous white classroom.
>>16909043>It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhatnot only education but "living standards". our senses has gone down but we still act superior to our ancestors. it's mostly survivor bias
>>16925507The European admixture of Blacks is slightly increasing, so from an admixture perspective, we should expect them to become smarter."When we decomposed the color results for the African ancestry sample between and within families,we found an association between families, between singletons (β = −0.153; N = 814), and betweenfull sibling pairs (β = −0.176; N = 225). However, we found no association between full siblings(β = 0.027; N = 225). Differential regression to the mean results indicated that the factors causing themean group difference acted across the cognitive spectrum, with high-scoring African Americansno less affected than low-scoring ones. We tested for measurement invariance and found that strictfactorial invariance was tenable. We then found that the weak version of Spearman’s hypothesiswas tenable while the strong and contra versions were not. The results imply that the observedcognitive differences are primarily due to differences in g and that the Black-White mean differenceis attributable to the same factors that cause differences within both groups. Further examinationrevealed comparable intraclass correlations and absolute differences for Black and White full siblings.This implied that the non-shared environmental variance components were similar in magnitude forboth Blacks and Whites."https://doi.org/10.3390/psych1010017https://doi.org/10.3390/psych1010001
>>16909042desu intelligence isnt really rewarded in the current economic landscape bc you wont be guaranteed a decent life or even a job even if you were to do everything right and get decent grades which is why a lot of kids want to be content creators.Wages arent keeping up with prices and the leadership is never going to do anything about it.
>>16925571
>>16925611Kek
>>16909042Yeah everyone already knew this deep down they just didn't want to say it out loud. Or accept it.
>>16918621It is solved. IQ is genetic and 80 percent heritable. twin studies and adoption studies constantly produce these results. Intelligence is more heritable than height,
>>16926937Yes, we already know that IQ isn't very environmental at all (in developed, or Western, countries).We also know that SES doesn't mediate within-group heritability, either (i.e. no heritability - SES interaction effect for IQ, https://doi.org/10.1007/s10519-021-10080-w, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2016.02.003).Voucher studies in Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Washington show that school quality is unrelated to NAEP scores ("Report 12-14 August 2012 Test Score Data for Pupils in the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program (Report 5 of 5) Legislative Audit Bureau," Evaluation of the Cleveland Scholarship and Tutoring Program Summary Report 1998 - 2004 CEEP February 22, 2006," "NCEE 2010-4018")Murray (2002) showed that after controlling for poverty, parental divorce, and illegitimacy, the sibling with the higher childhood-IQ went on to attain a higher income in adulthood (causality is from IQ to income).We've also known, since the 1966 Coleman report, that per-pupil expenditure is unrelated to test scores.>picrel is "stereotype threat".
>modern IQ tests find IQ is increasing>nah fuck off with that bullshit, I don't believe in your fake Jew tests>modern IQ tests find IQ is decreasing>yeah of course that's I've been saying all alongConfirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
Duh
>>16909042well this is also the first generation where the median nutrition has not improved. there isn't a reason for cognitive power or general health to improve
>>16911737Its not. In the idiocracy timeline there was no demographic Apocalypse. Western society continued to advance to the point of the entire technological system running itself. In the real world, society will collapse to the stone age.
>>16923290>you don't put your slaves in positions of power where they can undermine you or even give them the chance to think they can or are able to do such.Never heard of Mamluks?
Carry the 1, the answer is "niggers">>16912142Private school has fewer niggers, and the ones that exist do less nigging. Truth nuke: most kids are sent there by parents wanting to avoid the public schools and their nigger infestations. Bigger truth nuke: even when the parents and kids are black themselves.
>>16909058>the kids aren't retarded, they're just differently intelligentAhahahahaaa
This has always been obvious
>>16910026memory??
>>16909042Really weird this is happening in a time when white births are plummeting and blacks skyrocketing. Unrelated surely.
>>16910807Most countries now have a similar standard; it's nearly impossible to flunk a student, he/she is given a bunch of chances to take remedial tests and basically go through pic related. The only way you fail a kid now is if he drops his pants and takes a shit on the mouths of the special unit educators
Intelligence is, in notable part, the result of creativity. The act of interacting with the world and noting the reaction is a core component of future learning.Creativity requires the freedom to be creative, or to put it another way, it is more difficult to experiment, and thus efficiently learn, in a situation where there are significant limits.For many, being observed by an accepted authority figure (that is: a figure accepted as being in a position of authority) leads to inherent subconscious and/or overt considerations of what said authority might consider acceptable. One result of such may include "shyness," or a child wishing to avoid speaking to an adult for fear of saying something compromising, even when saying something offensive is nearly impossible.Many people are aware of there being an arbitrarily high number of surveillance devices around them, and children are quite good at picking up such observations.Because of the sheer degree to which kids are being monitored, they have become increasingly afraid of getting into trouble, or worse: being observed as being children. Because of this, they don't feel free enough to interact with the world, and thus, develop with an injured capacity for future learning.In lieu of an authority figure, the threat of any of one's most embarrassing moments being filmed and uploaded for all the world to see is most certainly encouragement to avoid anything particularly risky.
>>16909042>How is the average IQ computed and how many shitskins are in the study ?
>>16933553>Intelligence is, in notable part, the result of creativity“but it’s not the g-factor reeeee”
>>16909047>Faster reaction time = smarterDamn, so all the zoomers playing fps shooters are actually genius. I bet someone like XQC has iq above 140.
>>16935234>>Faster reaction time = smarterAn inverse correlation between g and simple reaction time doesn't mean that every individual with a simple reaction time much shorter than the average will also have an intelligence much greater than the average (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean).
>>16909047>119 in 1939>this was the peakHahahahahahha, holy shit
It’s over.
The future is easily manipulated twinks? Oh noooo….
>>16909047>This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creativethe midwits yes. the highest iq and highest earners are mostly neets here's how high IQ rich people produce:>I have an app idea >cool I know someone who can market it>cool my people will deliver a prototype in 2 weeks. we have a dealhere's how midwits produce:>I have to use these 20 productivity apps to make my boss happy! whatever it takes even unpaid overtime!
>>16944486kek wrong pic
