Flynn was such a coping dumbass kek; it’s not like we didn’t have that one 2013 study pointing to us losing roughly 10-15 IQ points since the Victorian period It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhat
More brown shitskins than ever speak English and more native speakers can't fathom large words
The Flynn effect is horse shit.Modern day people:— ‘College students once stood out from the pack on IQ tests. Today, they're about average. A recent meta-analysis found that undergraduates' IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 in 1939 to a mean of 102 in 2022, just slightly above the population average of 100.’Victorians as they were:— ‘The Victorian era was marked by an explosion of innovation and genius, per capita rates of which appear to have declined subsequently. The presence of dysgenic fertility for IQ amongst Western nations, starting in the 19th century, suggests that these trends might be related to declining IQ. This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creative. We tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic study. Simple reaction time measures correlate substantially with measures of general intelligence (g) and are considered elementary measures of cognition. In this study we used the data on the secular slowing of simple reaction time described in a meta-analysis of 14 age-matched studies from Western countries conducted between 1889 and 2004 to estimate the decline in g that may have resulted from the presence of dysgenic fertility. Using psychometric meta-analysis we computed the true correlation between simple reaction time and g, yielding a decline of − 1.16 IQ points per decade or − 13.35 IQ points since Victorian times. These findings strongly indicate that with respect to g the Victorians were substantially cleverer than modern Western populations.’1. White people suck at breeding.2. Why do we keep pretending that we aren’t getting dumber? The youth of today are aberrant creatures and can barely be considered human.
>>16909042is this article talking about zoomers or alphas? I need to know to know if I should be mad or not.Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligence
>>16909058>Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligenceWhy are you coping?
>>16909058Um. No. It’s 100% the kids fault for not educating themselves properly. They look at redundant information bases. They’re not wise. They think they know better than everyone. This is why there won’t be another “lone genius” like Einstein. The mere idea is threatening.
No, it was a real effect it just masked G and leftoid parasites used it to justify funding subhuman education
>>16909157*masked G declineAlso IQ was always a bullshit manipulated metric they literally designed it to hide sex differences so it's unsurprising you would see all these training effects
>>16909043>Some victorian guys wrote that their reaction speed was X and that's higher than today's average and since reaction speed is correlated with other cognitive abilities this means people back then had a higher iqWe should put economists and psychologists in concentration camps and force them to derive every statistic from probability axioms until these subhumans stop doing shit like this
>>16909042let me guess: the COVID generation, the one that had to learn through computers while being distracted by their phones (tiktok, instagram, games, ...), most of which didn't get a proper education (and some still don't) and cheated their way through school, is more retarded than previous generations.
>>16909061education has nothing to do with IQLower IQ is due to mass importing low IQ populations.. also diets getting worse, also rampant dysgenics within the white race
>>16909248>education has nothing to do with IQHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA/sci/ - Science & Math
>>16909252What pray tell is your argument?
>>16909042between a generation raised with internet access and a generation raised with AI access, each generation loses more of the ability to think and reason.They literally have to go back to paper homework and exams and just prohibit all electronics from the classroom. But rtarded teachers union would never allow it.
>>16909254some of the things they "test" on IQ tests are literally taught in math classes. you develop skills from education, retard. go ask any teacher. genetics might play a role, but it isn't everything.
Let's think positively.At least 4chan has a bright future.
>>16909042https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mOqGXhn7YBA
>>16909941not with rapeape running things
>>16909352Please give specific example including the test it came from. Pro-tip: Mensa Norway isn't a valid test.
>>16909352IQ tests are typically about memory, pattern recognition, mental modeling, and logic. If it flags someone as retarded at these things, good chance he's a retard IRL.
>>16910023what is pic rel if not basic fucking math and pattern recognition?from https://pdfhost.io/v/VvlBnkMt7_Mensa_Practice_Test_US (found in https://old.reddit.com/r/mensa/comments/juwfeg/leak_mensa_practice_test/)>>16910026>good chance he's a retard IRL.sure, but that doesn't mean they will be retarded forever, or that they are ACTUALLY retarded.riddle me this, batman: what was first, the chicken or the egg?people might be bad at math and pattern recognition because of genetics, but ALSO because of many other issues, circumstances, etc. even because of simple ignorance.also, people can develop logical thinking, pattern recognition and other intellectual skills in life outside school, you know?
>>16910000uh excuse you, gurpreet is carrying jeffrey's flame very well actually
Flynn effect sounds correct. IQ peaking in the 1970s sound about like what we would expect
>>16910323This. The racial percentages of the population is changing.
>>16909042Humanity doesn't even understand what "intelligence" is.
The Flynn effect was always a form of coping No one wants to acknowledge where we are headed
>>16909058>Also, younger people aren't dumber, the issue is in the IQ tests, they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligenceKys you pathetic nigger
>>16909043>slightly boost education levelsby moving the definition of "education" to something a lot less rigorous or demanding, mind youapplies to grad shit obviously but im the states you basically can't even flunk someone in school because of the no child left behind policy
>>16910325IQ only seems to have peaked in the 70s because that's when they stopped getting debuffed by leaded gasoline
>>16910815Generation Micro-Plastics in their brain
>>16910828Sad!
>>16910072>what was first, the chicken or the egg?the egg, obviously, because egg-laying reptiles existed before chickens existedfaggot
>>16909252Public education is just daycare.College is just a debt trick.Most college students paths are not STEM.
>>16909042Wait until AI generation grows old enough to do those test. They will be most retarded generation in recorded history and (((they))) are already talking about repurposing schools to raise good people, since everything else can be done by AI. It's a perfect storm.
It wasn't supposed to be a documentary.
>>16911737But Mike Judge literally said it was?
>>16909042>First generation to be more conservative than the preceding one >First generation to be dumber than the preceding onehmmm
>>16909042The vast majority of people are barely capable of being fry cooks at McDonald's.>We're the smartest everK
>>16911943Don’t pretend this isn’t a consequence of liberals telling people that men can get pregnant.
>>16912037It's okay zoomie, you're just not smart enough to be progressive
>>16911668>Public education is just daycare.funny you say that. my ex was a private school teacher. the shit she saw there was worse in comparison to my public school. imagine paying to "educate" your children with other entitled (on top of mentally unstable) little pieces of shit lmaoyou are right in a sense, though: private ed gives you a good start simply because of "networking"
>>16912037>liberals telling peopleOnly rednecks are people, everyone else is communist.
>>16909042The negative Flynn effect has been observed for more than 5 years dumbass
>>16909047>reaction timeLmao, fucking pathetic. This is all the """evidence"""
>>16909042answer this instead you psychometric midwit>>16911788Your whole field is a laughable fraud and all yall belong in prison for scientific misconduct
I think the first person to invent/recreate fire or build the first wheel was morally lucky.
>>16909165>Also IQ was always a bullshit manipulated metricthen go ahead go study for a IQ test and get 200 pointsoh wait you cant.
>>16909042I'm glad every generation of North Africans is continually getting more intelligent because they have like 7 kids on average.
>>16909058>they need to be reformed to capture 21st century intelligenceHow fast you can swipe your phone with one hand while vaping in the other?
>>16912561Anon, You misuderstand my meaning.The IQ test was specifically designed to remove any IQ difference between men and women.It was designed to be gender neutral so they disposed of the tests that benefited men or women but mostly those that benefited men
It was ALWAYS bullshit ALWAYS
>>16910815nope, they stopped selling leaded gas in the mid 90s, peak blood lead levels came in the 80s
>studies show the effect is across racial lines>people blame race anywayhahaha you're going to get into the "it's everyone for themselves" scenario where basic sanity becomes more precious than money. This is basically already the case from my point of view.>want to binge watch television for five hours tonight?>let's take psychoactive medication every day several times a day with little to no actual knowledge of what it is or what it does!>I went into $160k for a business degree and I work at Target. My backup plan was social justice
>>16913163Waiting on proof...
Let's say hypothetical I am very wealthy and will live sixty more years. What will 2086 look like? What has sixty years of 5g handheld supercomputer internet devices done to the humans? Well I basically expect the smartphones to take over. You'll look at humans but they'll be like androids or operating systems on the phone wearing a human skin-suit, like everything they do is expectedly predicate on algorithms whether it's through curated services' machine drift, or through direct advertising. Either way it's mentally parasitic and malicious.>hey uhh why are you dress in cheap slutty clothing from fucking Shein?>oh I see you're retarded and poor
But me personally I'm ready for nonsense insanity retarded evil planet. This is NWO? This is our new management?>hey Trumpo what's 30% of the economy directed towards? cars? No it's AI>you see we'll get the AI datacenters to convert drinking water and electricity into fucking brainrot>all we have to do is hook people on to shitty AI tools and then we can charge them subscriptions out the ass when they forget how to do simple things themselves>they're legal citizens but are basically zombies>oh hey the only use for AI that's seen anywhere near mass adoption is cheating at school and porn>I'm glad college students are so rich nowadays for subscription cheating services>but at least the data centers are super fucking noisy so they just crash the property values of people around them into shit craterI think history was always fucked up in some way or another but at least I truly see it now
>>16915174Proof of what?
>>16915183I would live next to a data center waterfall desu
>>16909047Why would you trust reaction time measurements from 1889?No one trusts any measurements from 1889 in any field today.
>>16909058They're eating laundry detergent anon. Laundry detergent. There is no version of any reality where that isn't fucking stupid.
>>16915478t. Poor reaction times
:> https://stevenschwartz.substack.com/p/getting-dumber-the-reverse-flynn> Getting dumber: the reverse Flynn effect and the politics of denial> For decades, humanity appeared to be getting smarter. Then, inconveniently, it wasn’t. IQs are now sliding backwards, and instead of asking why, we’ve decided to pretend intelligence doesn't matter.
>>16915478anon, how long ago was the inch standardised?
>>16915786>we’veWho is this we?
>>16915791Everyone who ever supported the Flynn effect. It was a no brainer that we’ve been getting dumber. An increasing access to knowledge doesn’t guarantee people won’t breed poorly or develop pride to the point where they can no longer listen.
It was always a form of cope Always
>>16909042>my Factor-Analysis fraud masquerading as Science asserts that intelligence is hereditary and thus needs thousands of years to undergo significant change in the population by means of natural selection>my measured "intelligence" in large populations keeps changing within short timespans like 10-20 years refuting my claim that what I measure could be hereditaryI dont think Flynn is the one with pie on his face, breh
>>16915811FA fraudsters really have no sense of shame. IQ rises or IQ shrinks in populations are both equally big problems for the proposition that IQ tests measure innate qualities. You fagets trying to pass this off as a win when it literally destroys all your claims is lulzy to say the least
>>16909042kek
Quality of life in childhood is the best predictor of IQ, and IQ itself is just one metric. This indicates that the developed world has been treating people worse, which is obvious to anyone who has eyes. People on here will bitch and moan about whites and muh IQ but truth is they aren't particularly good at the things IQ is supposed to make you good at either.
>>16909042Lmaoooo the Flynn effect max has an impact of .2-.5 points on FSIQ and there are confounding variables aka features that are derived from what can explanatorily be definitive of sub test score changes
>>16909042>why dont boomers give us their shit?Now we found the zoomer issue: Skill issue.
>>16909248this>>16909252education didn't help you
>>16918437I believe there were research studies which have shown that education correlates with IQ positively.https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6088505/But even if this study is incorrect or makes false conclusions, we need to be certain if IQ is entirely genetic, enviromental, or both. Basically we need to figure out whether lowering IQ rates are due to genetics, poor education (either because the system is bad, or because the younger generation does not want to study; I mean half of our future doctors will pass med school with ChatGPT.) It's not an easy thing to solve so we can't argue now whether it's caused by X, Y or Z, or something else entirely..
>>16909042Duh
>>16909042If the test is trainable it just tests if students are being trained.Falling scores indicate an irrelevant test or poor training
>>16909042The Flynn effect was just caused by us both banning leaded gas in cars and the Haber-Bosch process creating a food surplus that led to much higher rates of nutrition. We're just observing the fallout now that that's evened out.
>Flynn effect stops>It was always bullshitthese are not the same thing and I doubt it stopped this is just the effect of no school during covid
>>16909042Nope. Flynn effect predicted that poor regions will have faster IQ growth as they become more developed.
>>16909042this was done on purpose to destroy your civilization.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Af-k9sTAYEQ
>>16910323>>16910332YOu know no one does IQ tests in Africa, right? These all have to do with developed and developing nations in the Americas and Europe (possibly Oceania as well).
>>16909042No shit retard LMAO kys
>>16920935Do you forget that much of africa was ruled by euros with teams who performed various studies on the native tribes.
>>16909042funny how they chose to pull out an all-white stock image for that article
>>16920935>no one does IQ tests in AfricaWhat? Download v 1.3.5 and look at the ns of all of the African countries. https://viewoniq.org/?page_id=9
>>16909278Let's be honest. Teachers aren't smart enough to go back to the old ways. They arent allowed to hit the kids either which greatly limits how hard you can push them.
>>16909042High IQ of an animal that wouldn't relate or help, doesn't live long and wants to hang the public with their sexuality.well bla bla the iq of these pests has gone down, oh really?
Reminder that every time you see one of these "X has changed in the young generation" headline, its just demographics.
>>16923404Those sample sizes are fucking horrendous for any supposedly scientific study. This is basically just trash data for retarded racists to propagate their poorly thought out pablum
>>16924165>Reeecist!
>>16924165PISA sample size is 20,000 students from 800 schools.
>>16909047>tested the hypothesis that the Victorians were cleverer than modern populations, using high-quality instruments, namely measures of simple visual reaction time in a meta-analytic studyHow did they find a Victorian to participate in the study with high-quality instrumnents
Black people.
>>16925459I think all races are getting dumber.
>>16925507Yes, but, black people.
>>16923310Because they know the problem has nothing to do with whites so they pull out the rare photo of a homogenous white classroom.
>>16909043>It was always irrational to assume we’ve gotten a lot smarter just because we can slightly boost education levels somewhatnot only education but "living standards". our senses has gone down but we still act superior to our ancestors. it's mostly survivor bias
>>16925507The European admixture of Blacks is slightly increasing, so from an admixture perspective, we should expect them to become smarter."When we decomposed the color results for the African ancestry sample between and within families,we found an association between families, between singletons (β = −0.153; N = 814), and betweenfull sibling pairs (β = −0.176; N = 225). However, we found no association between full siblings(β = 0.027; N = 225). Differential regression to the mean results indicated that the factors causing themean group difference acted across the cognitive spectrum, with high-scoring African Americansno less affected than low-scoring ones. We tested for measurement invariance and found that strictfactorial invariance was tenable. We then found that the weak version of Spearman’s hypothesiswas tenable while the strong and contra versions were not. The results imply that the observedcognitive differences are primarily due to differences in g and that the Black-White mean differenceis attributable to the same factors that cause differences within both groups. Further examinationrevealed comparable intraclass correlations and absolute differences for Black and White full siblings.This implied that the non-shared environmental variance components were similar in magnitude forboth Blacks and Whites."https://doi.org/10.3390/psych1010017https://doi.org/10.3390/psych1010001
>>16909042desu intelligence isnt really rewarded in the current economic landscape bc you wont be guaranteed a decent life or even a job even if you were to do everything right and get decent grades which is why a lot of kids want to be content creators.Wages arent keeping up with prices and the leadership is never going to do anything about it.
>>16925571
>>16925611Kek
>>16909042Yeah everyone already knew this deep down they just didn't want to say it out loud. Or accept it.
>>16918621It is solved. IQ is genetic and 80 percent heritable. twin studies and adoption studies constantly produce these results. Intelligence is more heritable than height,
>>16926937Yes, we already know that IQ isn't very environmental at all (in developed, or Western, countries).We also know that SES doesn't mediate within-group heritability, either (i.e. no heritability - SES interaction effect for IQ, https://doi.org/10.1007/s10519-021-10080-w, http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.intell.2016.02.003).Voucher studies in Milwaukee, Cleveland, and Washington show that school quality is unrelated to NAEP scores ("Report 12-14 August 2012 Test Score Data for Pupils in the Milwaukee Parental Choice Program (Report 5 of 5) Legislative Audit Bureau," Evaluation of the Cleveland Scholarship and Tutoring Program Summary Report 1998 - 2004 CEEP February 22, 2006," "NCEE 2010-4018")Murray (2002) showed that after controlling for poverty, parental divorce, and illegitimacy, the sibling with the higher childhood-IQ went on to attain a higher income in adulthood (causality is from IQ to income).We've also known, since the 1966 Coleman report, that per-pupil expenditure is unrelated to test scores.>picrel is "stereotype threat".
>modern IQ tests find IQ is increasing>nah fuck off with that bullshit, I don't believe in your fake Jew tests>modern IQ tests find IQ is decreasing>yeah of course that's I've been saying all alongConfirmation bias is a hell of a drug.
Duh
>>16909042well this is also the first generation where the median nutrition has not improved. there isn't a reason for cognitive power or general health to improve
>>16911737Its not. In the idiocracy timeline there was no demographic Apocalypse. Western society continued to advance to the point of the entire technological system running itself. In the real world, society will collapse to the stone age.
>>16923290>you don't put your slaves in positions of power where they can undermine you or even give them the chance to think they can or are able to do such.Never heard of Mamluks?
Carry the 1, the answer is "niggers">>16912142Private school has fewer niggers, and the ones that exist do less nigging. Truth nuke: most kids are sent there by parents wanting to avoid the public schools and their nigger infestations. Bigger truth nuke: even when the parents and kids are black themselves.
>>16909058>the kids aren't retarded, they're just differently intelligentAhahahahaaa
This has always been obvious
>>16910026memory??
>>16909042Really weird this is happening in a time when white births are plummeting and blacks skyrocketing. Unrelated surely.
>>16910807Most countries now have a similar standard; it's nearly impossible to flunk a student, he/she is given a bunch of chances to take remedial tests and basically go through pic related. The only way you fail a kid now is if he drops his pants and takes a shit on the mouths of the special unit educators
Intelligence is, in notable part, the result of creativity. The act of interacting with the world and noting the reaction is a core component of future learning.Creativity requires the freedom to be creative, or to put it another way, it is more difficult to experiment, and thus efficiently learn, in a situation where there are significant limits.For many, being observed by an accepted authority figure (that is: a figure accepted as being in a position of authority) leads to inherent subconscious and/or overt considerations of what said authority might consider acceptable. One result of such may include "shyness," or a child wishing to avoid speaking to an adult for fear of saying something compromising, even when saying something offensive is nearly impossible.Many people are aware of there being an arbitrarily high number of surveillance devices around them, and children are quite good at picking up such observations.Because of the sheer degree to which kids are being monitored, they have become increasingly afraid of getting into trouble, or worse: being observed as being children. Because of this, they don't feel free enough to interact with the world, and thus, develop with an injured capacity for future learning.In lieu of an authority figure, the threat of any of one's most embarrassing moments being filmed and uploaded for all the world to see is most certainly encouragement to avoid anything particularly risky.
>>16909042>How is the average IQ computed and how many shitskins are in the study ?
>>16933553>Intelligence is, in notable part, the result of creativity“but it’s not the g-factor reeeee”
>>16909047>Faster reaction time = smarterDamn, so all the zoomers playing fps shooters are actually genius. I bet someone like XQC has iq above 140.
>>16935234>>Faster reaction time = smarterAn inverse correlation between g and simple reaction time doesn't mean that every individual with a simple reaction time much shorter than the average will also have an intelligence much greater than the average (See: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regression_toward_the_mean).
>>16909047>119 in 1939>this was the peakHahahahahahha, holy shit
It’s over.
The future is easily manipulated twinks? Oh noooo….
>>16909047>This is because high-IQ people are more productive and more creativethe midwits yes. the highest iq and highest earners are mostly neets here's how high IQ rich people produce:>I have an app idea >cool I know someone who can market it>cool my people will deliver a prototype in 2 weeks. we have a dealhere's how midwits produce:>I have to use these 20 productivity apps to make my boss happy! whatever it takes even unpaid overtime!
>>16944486kek wrong pic
>>16909239Yep. But we needed to lock it all down!
>>16925571>that one dot counted as white with less then 25 percent european ancestrywhat?
>>16909042yeah thats not surprising at all
>>16909047>1. White people suck at breeding.Wrong, these societies are the result of intelligent labor, and they always reach a point where it's leaders do not want to select for intelligence in society because they do not want competition. They want higher populations that are easier to control and more servile, and when you can import labor and slaves from all across the world like what was popular during the Industrial Revolution to today, there is no feasible way for a native population to compete with boatloads of families being shipped to their shores by the millions every year.e decades of human development to create. >2. Why do we keep pretending that we aren’t getting dumber? Because then we would have to admit that this pyramid scheme doesn't work and has, in fact, irreparably damaged the societies who practiced it for the transient wealth of a few people who are long dead. Ironically, this is what the United States used to criticize the Soviet Union and Europe for practicing with their expansionism, but now it's almost entirely their own doing.
>>16947862>e decades of human development to create.*A million people, pre-industrial revolution, once taking decades of human development to create.
>>16944486What you're describing is an artificial pressure, and not a measurable one from IQ testing. Picture it from the Boss' standpoint, would he rather train his possible replacement or have legions of midwits whose productivity is solely measured in how many apps they can use? A manager in the current climate would pick the midwit every time, and the savant would either need to become extremely lucky in building a career from nothing (unless you think the connections needed to find people who can make products, market products, deliver prototypes, and perform QA grows on trees or is something you can do with a firm handshake which I guess would match the image of the midwit boomer you sound like) or would need to find family connections to jumpstart their independent career lest they be crushed by said manager working at Giant Corpo™ who has turned crushing its competition through lawfare into a science.
>>16909047>White people suck at breeding.We had societal structures that supported breedingUnfortunately simps let women voteGame over
>>16920935I was going to link this but they paywalled it lmao:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5Z1kUx7M7cAn African wanted to see if that IQ map that puts Africans around 60-70 was real. They made Nigerians or something on the street take an IQ test and they scored 60-70.
>>16909042Demographic change
No one is shocked
>>16909042The entire country becoming beaners has nothing to do with it. Everyone keep moving.
>>16909042To no one's shock
>>16909043Gonna need more than 2 studies from the late 19th century to buy that
>>16927004holy shit you blindly believe le study? anon shut the fuck up NVIQ is completely culture fair and can be measured at age 5 and its a mean of the parents iq regressed some. education has nothing to do with it its literally INNATE > t. 130 IQ 114 NVIQ 6.5 incher chad
>>16923412Teachers turned from those who were passionate or begrudgingly in the position of teaching to those who are passionate but in a system of those who are politically motivated and feel pushing their agenda is more important than actually teaching. Also, they were handed the banner of "teachers are underpaid" despite being fundamentally less worthy than their predecessors.Instead of learning how to read, these kids were finger-painting pride flags.And then add in COVID. And then add in idiots in high positions deciding that they could defund certain things because the kids are always on their computers and so they shouldn't need to be trained to do anything. Clearly they can already read and operate computers because they can't stop staring at their phones.Perfect storm of dumbfuckery on a structural and administrative level doomed a generation.
>>16909042it isnt, they want us to get off of the screens lol
>>16909042Me on the right cheating.>>16910323African pop increasing has nothing to do with this u racist. Developed countries birth rates declining, mud floods, etc..
The future is retarded double digit iq twinks The future has never looked brighter for smart people
>>16909042it's natural because the result of intelligence applied to running society is an environment of comfort and ease that does not require intelligence to solve its problems. You can't have it both ways, make people intelligent while constantly getting rid of intellectual challenges. A variation of the good times weak men meme
>>16915187That anything you said was anything other than a pathetic attempt at attention farming for your faggot thread, pussy boy.
I just finished a year of college so I could transfer at work, last time I went was 2010. It was so much easier this time around and not just from being older. Assignment late? Thats ok everyone will still grade late assignments.AI makes certain shit easier and is allowed as long as your not copy pasting 10 page essaysCan you use Microsoft office? Congrats 2/3 of the kids in that class failFree day off from class and extra credit because teacher had to go deal with a 22 year old having another melty
>>16909042LolLmao even
>>16911737Idiocracy is true without even mentioning brown people and immigration. But it's a drop in the bucket compared to that.
>>16909042No duh.
>>16909042D'oh!
>>16909042Literally means nothing and you feel for popsci slop. Well done dumbass.
>>16909248>>16918437Why do you want to strip educational opportunities and access for people? Are you that desperate to feel smart that you'd be willing to fuck everyone up just so you can turn education into a exclusive product/privilege? A policy that has always backfired constantly?
>>16956085Imagine bragging about having a 130IQ.
>>16947996>They made Nigerians or something on the street take an IQ test and they scored 60-70.Only one sample and it was on the streets. That's not how sampling works. You need dozens of sources and a ton of individual data points within them within controlled parameters. In that street example there could have been people who never went past grade 4, old people, the PhD grads, industry professionals, varying competency levels of Ebglish or exposure to educational testing mores. That is way to random for just one testing sample.
>>16931763>Private school has fewer niggersYet stillna8ck ass aince most are about either fleeing gullible middle class people or a place for rich people to dump subpar kids and not interact with them.>Truth nuke: most kids are sent there by parents wanting to avoid the public schools and their nigger infestations. Bigger truth nuke: even when the parents and kids are black themselves.Obssession does not look good on you.
>>16923404>mostly several 1950s and one from 1935>extremely wide age range and testing cohorts>50% of the samples come from the Congo and scant few elsewhere >different tests and testing conditions.>And only six post 1990 numbers with a fat chunk of them in Zaire while it was in the start of state collapse.Anon, did you never do a Stats course in your life? Like even basic HS stats?
>>16909042The Flynn effect stops working when you incentivize the procreation of your incompetent retard class while simultaneously ignoring or actively suppressing the procreation of your competent intellectual class. Genes are heritable, and when you send your intelligent demographics through the social equivalent of a fertility meat grinder, you’re going to end up with fewer intelligent people.
>>16965357>Flynn effect stops workingIt doean't "stop working", there's just diminishing returns.>the procreation of your incompetent retard class while simultaneously ignoring or actively suppressing the procreation of your competent intellectual classFertility rates are low for both lol.>Genes are heritableThey aren't destiny, nor are they a guarantee road map. Also a fuckton of shit asides from genes are heritable so only idiots hyperfocus on it as the sole factor.
>>16931763Lol no, the truth is you're a bunch of bitch ass chucklefuck weaklings who need blacks to act as a cover for your laziness.No one is stopping you from instituting longer school hours and more rigorous academic programs nationwide for all public schools similar to what China and South Korea does. Nothing is stopping you from changing your schools from being 9 months long a year to 10.5 months a year like Japan does. No one is stopping you from making parents of students across the board more accountable in grades and behavior. But that I suppose that would require you to actually care about their well-being and future. Which you probably don't considering the obesity rates of children and adults in the country.The real "Truth Nuke" is you have all the levers of power to change how public schools run and you choose to do nothing but run interference. Mostly so you can continue your march into neo-feudalism with pay 2 play capitalist style private institutes to increase the separation from designated serfs.
>>16965645Mega retarded catposter
>>16909042The article title is completely inaccurate because the parents of the kids doing poorly at school now were never tested for intelligence back home in Somalia.
>>16909352>genetics might play a role"Might" is an understatement.
>>16915170The data on race can't be trusted. Lots of lighter thirdies want to be considered white.
>>16918621>education correlates with IQ positivelyOnly because people with innately higher IQ are more likely to seek out education.
The iq test is testing for redundant skills made redundant by calculators and ai.You have to make new IQ tests.
>>16968964>You have to make new IQ tests.Why do people who have absolutely no clue about anything they're talking about talk about those things?g is the best predictor to come out of psychology.https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/new-paper-out-intelligence-really?utm_source=publication-searchhttps://openpsych.net/files/papers/Zimmer_2023a.pdf
>>16968977The best predictor for boomers who can't use AI
>>16909042This article only applies to the western cuntries. Ie, the US and it's puppet proxies
>>16968958Not really something that can be verified as true. Education is HUGE allover Asia and Africa.
>>16967008The cat is right.>>16968954Genetics being a factor most of the time means "Bob and Mac score almost the same but a tiny amount of the difference may possible be due to genetics...maybe".
>>16946564"SIRE" means self-identified race and ethnicity.
>>16968977>Emil Kirkgaard>OpenPsychHahahaha you fell for total crockshit.
>>16909042They have been saying this for the past thousands of years.
>>16969773Let me guess, you read the "rational wiki" page about him? BTW, you're just making the genetic fallacy and completely failing to refute an ounce of data.https://emilkirkegaard.dk/en/inaccuracies-in-rationalwikis-oliver-d-smiths-page-about-me/
>>16970260That guy is not even remotely trained or educated in the field and OpenPsych is ONWED BY HIM. Of course his shit would get published since it's in his own journal. Anyone on /sci/ can do it too.
>>16970309Also it's not a genetic fallacy because the stuff he openly pushes is extremely biased with dubious methodology and wacky leaps of logic and conclusions.
>>16970309He's trained enough to publish papers in le heckin peer-reviewed journals with other scientists that do have the pieces of paper that you're looking for. This was from. 2017, btw. https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/on-crackpottery?utm_source=publication-search>>16970312>the stuff he openly pushes is extremely biased with dubious methodology and wacky leaps of logic and conclusions.Like? It seems like you're just making accusations up on the spot.Again, you haven't refuted an ounce of data.
>>16909042Ahahahaha
>>16909042technology rises while humans degrade themselves
https://youtu.be/-rXItAdJ5t0
>>16909231Considering the literacy of the poor soldiers of the first world war, it's safe to say that intelligence has been heavily reduced in the past century.Judge yourself after reading their letters, and comparing it to men of their age today.
>>16973770>it's safe to say that intelligence has been heavily reduced in the past century.Bases off what? Shitty asspulls and an extremely small sample of letters from select people? That's you data pool to draw from? That's not how it works. >Judge yourself after reading their letters, and comparing it to men of their age today.Most people were on the edge functional literacy and most of the population never completed high school. Many didn't even finish middle school.
>>16909042Ctrl + f: "a decline in g."https://archive.org/details/leaving-the-cathedral-ryan-faulk/page/72
Why do IQ deniers argue by pretending they don't know what things mean?
>>16973898>pretending they don't know what things mean?I mean, the "leftists pretending to not understand" (or whatever the original is) tweet would imply that it's due to their leftism.
>>16931763rednecks are just as bad, they are overfed, oversexed, and they're over here.my 14 year old self was tired of living in fear every day of these blue collar bullies, & my parents were making $$ with a strip bar, so me & my sisters went to a Baptist school. maybe it saved my life, but i would never do it again, as u say, it's just day care. wish i could have got my GED when i was 16 and moved out right away, but i was stupid as shit.
>>16931763me again.going to a Baptist school was like going back to fifth grade. all the girls were flat chested, it was weird. it set me back big time i think, i got eaten alive out there when i graduated.
>>16973937>rednecks are just as badThe lowest family income (1st decile) Whites commit less homicide than the second (9th decile) highest family income Blacks (about 4x).https://archive.ph/v5WEX
>>16973963>homicideGo to prison*
>>16973898No one is denying it you sperg.
>>16909043>IQ is real>except when each generation does better than their parents on the tests so we make them harder make up your mind
>>16909042The eugenics movement normalized contraception and abortion within mainstream WASP society. As it turns out, subjecting your own competent people to a massive fertility nerf renders the demographic of competent people smaller than it otherwise would’ve been, and that in turn allows the non-contracepted and non-abortioned masses—who are as such largely due to incompetence rather than ideology—to normalize their incompetence even further. You cannot normalize a technology that lowers fertility for those with a functioning brain and expect there to not be any consequences for the overall state of the ‘brain pool’ in your society. Intelligent people have been filtering themselves from the pool with contraception and abortion for decades because having children is kitschy. You expect this to not have a tangible effect?
>>16974374>80 IQ bot spamIf eugenicists had won the training data for this post wouldn't exist.
Oh gee I wonder why
>>16974381>muh botsThe point is that the eugenicists lost, and the only thing that they achieved was the normalization of two anti-fertility technologies that require forethought to use properly.
>>16974388>The point is that the eugenicists lostSo did H.H, doesn't mean it wasn't a commendable attempt or that we shouldn't try again. :^)
>>16974341Flynn effect gains aren't g-loaded, don't correspond to real-world outcomes (Nobel laureates, innovation, geniuses, etc.,) stopped in the 2010s, and don't vary across age groups (don't depend upon test-taking frequency).Define "real." g is one of the best causal psychological predictors.
>>16974374>subjecting your own competent people to a massive fertility nerf41.4% of women who abort their children live below the poverty line, and less than 30% are twice the poverty line (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/psrh.12250).
>>16968958>>16969160>Not really something that can be verified as true."Confirming Need for Cognition and cognitive ability to be related but distinct constructs, empirical research has yielded weak to moderate associations between Need for Cognition and intelligence, with correlation coefficients typically between 0.15 and 0.30 (e.g., Fleischhauer et al., 2010; Hill et al., 2013; Luong et al., 2017)."https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S1041608023001073
>>16909042I hate young people.
>>16974383That's not how IQ works. Also how do you explain states in East Asia and places like Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu and Kerala?
>>16909042(((first)))
>>16974390>Letting unqualified losers who couldnt hack it in Healthcare and technocracy larper's decide eugenics policies.A recipe for disaster.
>>16977047 #>That's not how IQ worksSee: >>16925571 #>how do you explain states in East Asia and places like Sri Lanka, Tamil Nadu and Kerala?Explain what?>>16977053 #>eugenics policiesEugenics doesn't require policies.A certain kind of embryo selection takes the mothers skin cells, then regresses them into stem cells, matures those stem cells into ova, impregnates the ova, and finally implants the embryo into the mother.https://www.technotheoria.org/p/embryo-selection-in-2025
>>16909042In what country and how many brown immigrants were included in the surveys?
>>16965303Nigerian IQ reported as 60-70. Black man does not believe it so administers the test himself... result 60-70 IQ.Liberal White person screams,"NO!!! The Black man is incapable of administering the test properly"
>>16909042adopted?
>>16909042If you have 15% more nigger, you get 15% less intelligence.
>>16911696The US government has a pristine track record on morality; this should go well.
Thanks cognitive overloading+offloading
>>16977394Nigerians with an IQ of 90 make 200k on average in america. Clearly the test isn't working and not predicting intelligence because they manage to make 200k.
>>16977394Just accept the fact you cant even grasp basic stats you literal high school drop out. Like wbat do you get out of acting like this?
>>16978697>Nigerians with an IQ of 90 make 200k on average in america.I'm sure they do, but would you care to cite a source? "Regression to the mean for Nigerians is rather extreme. The ones born in the U.S. clock in well below Whites, in both education and incomes. This makes sense, however, as it seems their parents were exceptionally educated, so we should expect this sort of regression. It also makes plenty of sense that this regression is greater than the regression for Indians, since it involves regressing to different means.Nigerians earn more than African Blacks and foreign Blacks in general, but they’re also not the highest-performing African group. That would be South Africans. But that’s misleading, because the South African group is peopled by Whites who command higher incomes than any of the Black African groups, while the Black South Africans perform worse than Nigerians. Nevertheless, Nigerians are not the highest-performing Black African group. Zimbabwean Blacks out-earned them ($48,793), and Cameroonians were plausibly tied with them at $45,352. The rest performed worse than them, which we might predict because Nigeria is the largest Sub-Saharan African nation by far. Due to their size, this suggests Nigerians are pretty much at the top of the pile for America’s Sub-Saharan African Black immigrants."https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/the-myth-of-nigerian-excellence
>>16978697>Nigerians with an IQ of 90 make 200k on average in americaDoubt.jpg
Socrates was right. Except it wasn’t about books.
Its not just zoomers or alphas, its everyone. Read letters from the civil war or WWI, people, even intelligent people are much less eloquent than they used to be. Stuff like Charles Dickens and Alexandre Dumas used to be pop lit for the masses, now college students can barely read them. Dependence on technology really is a curse.
>>16909042Everything is going according to the plan.
>>16909042NNNNNNNNNNN
>>16909042>Flood White countries with retarded shitskins who breed like roaches>Whoah, everybody's suddenly retarded.Mystery solved.
>>16909042They're less intelligent but a lot hotter. Lower age consent laws.
>>16909042God I hate the stupid ass youth. Their hair is so stupid. Their brains are so stupid. God.
For what it's worth, humanity is fracturing into two subspecies. Homo vulgaris, and homo domesticus. The average intelligence of domesticus is still rising, even if their total share is currently falling.
>>16965645As bad as american education is, their top of the bell curve due to the free time to explore their interest still blows the chinese, asians and indians out of the water.There is a reason that all world goes to america to learn from their WASP and Jew elite schools.
>>16909042Schoolteacher here, can confirm in different terms. Performance in logic-based classes (mathematics, english, physical sciences) has gotten so bad that none of the students can pass unless we dumb their content down to middle school levels. Even though we're a charter school, we have to let shitskins in because of administration's COVID-era DEI policies, they corrupt the good students with their nigger antics, nobody studies, nobody learns, everybody fucks around in a Lord-Of-The-Flies negroid festival. They can't do basic multiplication in senior year, pass from no-child-left-behind, and yet somehow they're given jobs and allowed to reproduce
>>16909047>College students once stood out from the pack on IQ tests. Today, they're about average. A recent meta-analysis found that undergraduates' IQs have steadily fallen from roughly 119 in 1939 to a mean of 102 in 2022, just slightly above the population average of 100.Holy fucking shit grab a kitchen knife and stab yourself in the forehead. More people got into collages which brought the average down, that’s all.
"From the paper 'What Caused over a Century of Decline in General intelligence' The genetic correlates with IQ have been declining at least since 1946, and the raw IQ scores have outright begun to decline since around the year 2000 at the latest.The average white person from 1876 would have a “genetic IQ” of ~130, very close to the expressed IQ of a modern academic if you go with the quantitative genetics methods (twin studies, kinship correlations, subtest heritability analyses).If you go by the molecular genetics data (within-group validated genetic correlations), the decline appears to have gone from a modern equivalent of ~115 in 1946, to a modern equivalent of ~95 by the 1984 cohort. This can be a function of higher fertility among low polygenic scoring people or immigration of people with lower polygenic scores.IF all of this is true, then in a sense, we are living with a level of technology that we could never create if we had to start where the people from 1876 started. And it would also explain - among other factors - why making improvements off of the current base is so difficult.There were profound changes in the breeding patterns of Europeans - most keenly felt in Britain, northern France, the Low Countries and Germany west of the Oder - that resulted in the upper-classes outbreeding the lower-classes. And from 1100-1800 AD, the death penalty was used to such an extent that approximately 1.5% of males were executed each generation.However by 1850, the fertility rates of the lower classes surpassed those of the upper classes, and that is likely when the genetic decline began. From the paper 'Fertility trends by social status’ Skirbekk et. al documents when the lower classes began outbreeding the upper classes in western Europe."https://archive.org/details/leaving-the-cathedral-ryan-faulk/page/72
>>16965299>well if you're correct, then how come you said this thing that you didn't say?
>>16947996>Nigeria, AfricaThis is really funny for some reason.
>>16910323>nigger face on the IQ decline chartfitting
>>16965304>most are about either fleeing gullible middle class people or a place for rich people to dump subpar kids and not interact with them.what is this tard even trying to say? and do they think private school means boarding school?
>>16991222"Fleecing gullible middle class people a place for rich people to dump subpar kids and not interact with them.">do they think private school means boarding school?Private school has often been seen as place to dump kids who struggle in better public schools or needing extra help.
>>16988544>Schoolteacher hereSure buddy, and I'm a School Superintendent.
>>16988487>their top of the bell curve due to the free time to explore their interest still blows the chinese, asians and indians out of the waterHasn't been the case for years and your rely on dated stereotypes. Those three groups are pretty big in extra curricular and cultural activities. Among African immigrants being balanced is pretty huge since many parents will cut school sports if their grades are dropping.>all world goes to america to learn from their WASP and Jew elite schools.Lol.
>>16979621>>16990647>cremieux >Ryan FaulkLmao you dumbass
>>16979621Regression to the mean doean't mean regression to your racial mean. This guy has no understanding of basic stat terms.
>>16991391Obviously. Regression to the mean refers to the tendency for the next sampling of a population relative to an extreme sample of that population to be closer to the population mean. "If we choose all whites and all blacks with observed scores of 115, the mean true score of the white group will be 20+0.8*115=112, while the mean true score of the black group will be 17+0.8*115=109. While the correlation between observed scores and error scores is the same, √0.20≈0.45, for both races, there’s a mean IQ difference between the two. The expected error score for an observed score of 115 is 2*0.45*6.71≈6 for blacks, given that 115 is 2 SDs above the black mean of 85. For whites, the expected error score is 1*0.45*6.71≈3. The more extreme an observed score is, the larger its associated error score is. Another way to think of it is to observe that a larger proportion of whites than blacks scoring 115 have true scores that are that large.Let’s say a selective college decides to grant admission to all applicants who score above 120 in an IQ test. We can expect that 9.1% of all whites will score above 120, while 6.8% of all whites will have true scores above 120. As for blacks, 1% are expected to score above 120, and 0.5% are expected to have true scores above 120. Therefore, 75% of whites with IQ scores above the cutoff will have true scores above the cutoff, while the same ratio is 50% for blacks.""In my simulated data, transforming observed scores to true score estimates using race-specific means removes the intercept bias.""Random measurement error is rarely a cause of RTM for height. As a general rule, parents can only transmit their additive genetic effects to their children. Other influences on parents’ own traits, such as non-additive genetic effects and accidents of individual development, will usually not be transmitted to children." https://humanvarieties.org/2017/07/01/measurement-error-regression-to-the-mean-and-group-differences
>>16920935>>16978697FACTS:Not ONE of the top 100 world rated Universities is run by Black AfricansNot ONE of the world's 500 largest companies is run by Black AfricansYou can NOT blame RACISM for 1.5 BILLION people being unable to run ONE world class University or Business.
>>16991460>Not ONE of the top 100 world rated Universities is run by Black Africans>Not ONE of the world's 500 largest companies is run by Black AfricansSaying this isn't the big stinger you think it is anon. When your economy consists of literal circle jerks of a few companies proping up the entire market, saying Black Africans don't run one of the 500 largest companies means little in the grand scheme of things. Are you really going to care if a Black African manages to run a company like Sirius XM when pic related exist?Same shit applies to educational institutions. Only a dozen of the top 100 Universities produce the vast majority of the nobel prize winners and research work. Even if Black Africans ran one or more of the top Universities it doesn't mean anything if it isn't the top dozen like MIT or Harvard.
>>16991429When you regression to the mean it's not to the population you regress too. The idea that two intellectuals will have a sudden drop isn't correct. The kid will on average be in the middle of the parents outside of genius outliers or mentally disabled kids.
>>16991460>Not ONE of the top 100 world rated Universities is run by Black AfricansIf one was you'd ask for two, if there were two you'd ask for three and so on. You'd probably also handwave any school that has or ever had one white Chancellor. Also university ranking systems are total bunk because each of them always push weird stat weights or exist to advertise schools with no real research into them.>Not ONE of the world's 500 largest companies is run by Black AfricansSee above. You'd either shift the goalposts or create some weird narrative about X African group being exceptional or find some way to call them "not really African".>>16991568He's obssesed about optics.
>>16991586>>16991568Parent Complains: Public school system has school with not ONE student performing at at grade level math.Teacher Union responds: "If one was you'd ask for two, if there were two you'd ask for three and so on."you will NEVER be happy, followed by a long winded diatribe on racism, socioeconomic conditions, ethnic priorities, etc..., in the end nothing is changed CONGRATULATIONS! This the world YOU want and got
>>16991606You are really butthurt. How does bragging about circlejerking tech firms help the common American?
>>16991606>picReminds me of The Wire's season 4
>>16991606Can you actually talk like. Human being instead of typing like a deranged Twitter bot? How fucked in the head are you? I genuinely want to hear you simp for faceless corporations and universities like you are one of them.
>>16973898>>16973905I haven't read the thread so I have no idea of the context, but I'm jumping in to inform you that when people pretend they don't know what things mean usually its because they hope you'll explain yourself into a losing position.
>>16991671I haven't read the thread either but I'm thinking we jump to conclusions and assume there is some fag shit going on. Not just any fag shit. Being a hoe mo is fine nowadays and can't be used as a basis to discriminate. But this. This is the fag shit which makes fags say goddamn that's some fag shit.
>>16991671No one in the thread was denying it. That anon basically wants to treat IQ as a metric to jerk himself over as well as a way to vicariously live through it in various ways. Mainly justifying policies that cause ling lasting harm, and believing that merely being in a "high IQ group" actually means something akin to a woman who REALLY is fixated on astrology.
>>16909352you stupid bitch intelligence is culture fair too like g and most of the g factor even quantitative reasoning the only part that isnt is digit span and gk items >i know intelligence! reeee
Turns out that generations exposed to a skinner box from almost their birth and onwards their entire lives are underperforming mentally speaking in an era public education has hit rock bottom as an institution.Why is anyone surprised?
>>16991584>When you regression to the mean it's not to the population you regress too.Did you read the post you're replying to?There is absolutely differential regression to the mean based on additive genetics. Do you believe that all individuals and groups (means) have the same additive genetics for every trait?"This study assesses the predictive accuracy of polygenic scores (PGS) from a variety of genome-wide association studies (GWAS) in a dataset of 28 Chinese provinces, with a focus on educational attainment (EA) and height. European-derived EA PGSs showed stronger correlations with average IQs of Chinese provinces (r = .52) than did East Asian-derived PGSs (r = .21), likely reflecting larger sample sizes. Both height PGSs derived from mixed ancestry and from European samples were positively correlated with average height (r = .71 and .68). Additionally, both genetic and phenotypic height showed positive correlations with latitude (r = .72 and .77, respectively), corroborating Bergmann’s rule and supporting the observation that northern Chinese tend to be taller. The PGS derived from within-family GWAS of height showed stronger correlation (r = .82) with phenotypic height and latitude than the between-family derived PGS. Whereas IQ PGS was positively correlated to latitude (r = .42), this was not the case for EA PGS. Negative correlations were also observed between schizophrenia PGS and both EA and IQ PGS (r = −.44 and −.50). Results from multiple regression analyses indicated that both genetic factors and environmental conditions (measured by HDI and infant mortality) influenced stature, with genetic factors having a stronger effect (∼ 0.8) compared to environmental conditions (∼ 0.22 to 0.45). Mediation analysis showed that the genetic effects of EA and IQ PGS on IQ are partially mediated through their effects on HDI and infant mortality."https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/european-polygenic-scores-predict?utm_source=publication-search
>>16991586>You'd either shift the goalposts orcreate some weird narrative about X African group being exceptional or find some way to call them "not really African".See: >>16979621
>>16991834Emilkirkegaard isn't a real researcher. Why the fuck are you posting this crap?
>Dude look at all these heckin letters from civil war and WW1 vets! They are so VIVID and ELOQUENT. These people must have all been 160 IQ geniuses! VGH.You do realize that the reason the literature of those people was that nice is because it was the main thing they studied, right?It’s not like they studied calculus or learned that the mitochondria is the powerhouse of the cell in the 1800s.They spent like 70% of their school curriculum on reading and writing. No shit they are going to be somewhat decent at it.Also it’s funny you brought up verbal IQ for WW1 but not WW2. I’ll let you figure out what i meant by that on your own.
>>16991890>real researcherHe's published multiple (heckin) peer-reviewed papers in (heckin) respected journals. Also, you're crying about a guy you don't like without refuting a single ounce of data. Nice.
>>16991892>in the 1800s.The literacy rate in 1800 was 80% and has been trending upwards ever since. People weren't more literate back then because they studied.https://nces.ed.gov/naal/lit_history.asp>verbal IQ for WW1 but not WW2I don't have data on that, but if you do, then feel free to provide it.They were forced to let in less literate populations."During World War I, ~25% of recruits were rejected as unable to meet basic literacy qualifications. Although public education improved during the 1920s and 1930s, during World War II the military again rejected an estimated 750,000 men who could not pass the basic literacy entrance tests. This persistence of illiteracy can be attributed in part to stricter testing of recruits, and in part to an expansion of recruiting to include minorities, who were often poorer and less educated.In early 1942, needing substantially more men, the military ruled that up to 10% of inductees could be illiterate so long as they were deemed "intelligent and trainable." In the winter of 1943 this quota was reduced to 5%, as illiteracy began to cause problems in the field. A few months later, however, both manpower needs abroad and the political consequences at home of excessive rejection of black recruits -- whose literacy rates in the 1940s were far below those of white Americans -- caused the literacy requirement to be dropped entirely.As a result, and out of necessity, the U.S. Army "embarked on one of the largest programs of basic adult education in human history" (Brandt, p. 487). Through the use of special training units -- well-funded, with qualified teachers, specially-designed course material, and small class sizes -- nearly 95% of illiterate recruits achieved minimum literacy within two months, a remarkable success rate. These soldiers were then able to go on to the standard basic training."https://library.syracuse.edu/digital/guides/print/soldiers_lit_prt.htm
Humans are stupid
>>16920748>this is just the effect of no school during covidDuring the early 2000s? "Jensen corrected for the changes in demographics the remaining 1/4 was a real decline in scores. The IQ loss for the SAT was -5 for the time period in question, while the FE gain was +3. [Jensen, A. R. (1998). The g factor: The science of mental ability. Westport, CT: Praeger.]""One of the verified causes of the FE is the Brand Effect (increased guessing). This cause has nothing to do with changes in intelligence and has been the likely cause of some researchers thinking that they had found FE gains that were on g. The reason they found was that they were seeing greater gains on more g loaded test items than on less g loaded test items. Instead it was a reflection of people guessing more on the more difficult items (more g loaded).Another verified cause of the gains is the method of scoring tests. Beaujean scored the National Longitudinal Survey of Youth data using both classical test theory and item response theory. When CTT was used, the FE gains were large; when IRT (the superior method) was used, part of the gains disappeared and the other part reduced by half. Must et al. (2003) found (in Estonia) a correlation of -0.40 between g and FE gains. These all show that the gains were not on g and were, therefore, hollow.""See: PNAS | Published online January 11, 2017 | E727–E732"A recent study of ~20,000 genotyped Americans born between 1931 and 1953 provided direct evidence that the genetic propensity for educational attainment is associated with reduced fertility (8, 9)."The IQ gains on the WISC-R and WISC-III form a cluster that is independent of the cluster formed by racial differences, inbreeding depression scores (purely genetic), and g factor loadings (largely genetic). The secular increase is, therefore, unrelated to g and other heritable measures. [Rushton, J. P. (1999). Personality and Individual Differences, 26, 381–389]"
>>16909042the flynn effect only happened because IQ tests were formatted using multiple choice questionsas schools systematically taught kids how to get better at guessing correct answers to questions the IQ scores roseIQ tests should be written only
>>16909043Last I checked, such an absurd drop wasn't supported at all by DNA evidence; It was really, at max, 3 points.
>200+ posts to realize what's been obvious for millennia that an abhorrent society doesn't breed good people and different races are differentscience board btw
>>16915183>AI derangement syndrome out of nowhere
>>16909248This fucking nigger unironically believes people 100 years ago weren't literally malnourished.
>>16909042>effectless intelligent? maybe or mayhap there's something working on stupidifying the children. worth looking at the mechanics of learned helplessness, apparently if one wants to destroy a civilization, easiest target is children. and anyway "scientist reveals" - scientists are amazing. you never hear anything from vandalists or cosmetologists
The Flynn effect has been a catastrophy. You need a high IQ to figure out the world, but once you do that, it needs to drop, so that you can fine tune your thinking without the constant interference of noticing the crudest patterns. Strong pattern recignition at an older age is a sign of cognitive failure. It means some things are still mysteries to you, you haven't figured them out yet, and you are forever stuck in that quick and rough guessing stage, trying to figure out something basic
>>16992753>The literacy rate in 1800 was 80%Globally? Not even close. Even in Europe it was pretty sketchy and limited to certain subgroups.
>allows for low-IQ immigrants to invade your country>average QI gets lowerSuch a mystery...
>>16995809That's not how it works Timmy. Even whe. Testing for the exact same cohorts as prior tests have show a "drop" in numbers. Door being in quotation marks because it's extremely small and below margin of error. The whole calming it on immigrants is just acope to distract from the fact that several Western states have been hamstring education as a keystone for years by gradual and more immediate policy regressions.
As we outsource a lot of thought processes and action to AI of course this is going to happen. The older generation became the experts that AI was training on and are now using AI to make them better. Future generations will just start using AI rather than learning from the ground up. It will be a problem for future generations as knowledge is important. These next few gens will be ok but further down the line we will get stupider.
>>16909042So do we discuss the immigration factor in this thread or no
>>16909043>Originally, IQ was a quotient obtained by dividing a person's estimated mental age, obtained by administering an intelligence test, by the person's chronological age.This is why IQ has fallen since the victorian age and the reason no one takes the values obtained then seriously: they are not scientific measurements and were always based on arbitrary metrics like the chronological age of the person and their "estimated mental age".
>>16995885Immigration isn't a factor. The decline is below margin or error or test scoring benchmarks being higher than usual that years.
>>16995889The Victorian-era calculation wasn't based in mental age / chronological age * 100. g was discovered in 1904."In 1912, William Stern (1871–1938) standardized the test scores of the Binet–Simon Intelligence Test. He achieved this by dividing the mental age by the chronological age. The number this calculation produced was the widely known intelligence quotient or IQ."https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binet%E2%80%93Simon_Intelligence_Test The Wechsler (1939) popularized standardized scores (100 + (raw score - norm mean) / SD) * 15)).The Victorian-era calculation is based on standardized scores using the z-scored method.“The difference between the meta-regression trend-weighted present (2004) simple RT mean (275.47 ms) and the trendweighted 1889 mean (194.06 ms) is 81.41 ms.”
>>16995803Who the fuck was talking about global literacy?"According to data compiled by Our World in Data and the World Bank, the literacy rate of the world's population from secondary school age onward was only 12 percent in 1820 - around one person in ten. In 1900, it still barely exceeded 20 percent. From the 1950s on, world literacy began to take off, hitting 42 percent in 1960 and 70 percent in 1983. Today, the global literacy rate stands at 87 percent, or almost nine out of ten people worldwide."https://www.weforum.org/stories/2022/09/reading-writing-global-literacy-rate-changed/https://ourworldindata.org/literacy
