New research shows China leads research in 90% of crucial technologies & ignoring this means we're living in a delusional bubble, where we still think the West is the Sci-Tech leader.I think a lot of people are in denial, or just can't accept that China is already the world's leading nation for science and technology. I can't blame them for their ignorance. Most English-language media studiously avoid mentioning it. Time and time again, I see topics like AI, space & robotics covered, with only developments in Western countries talked of, as if China doesn't exist. Despite the fact that it's now the leader in so many fields.The problem with complacency and ignorance is that it gives you a really distorted map of reality. You can't understand how the 21st century is developing without factoring in China, and ignoring China means you're being delusional.Source:https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-025-04048-7https://www.aspistrategist.org.au/aspis-critical-technology-tracker-2025-updates-and-10-new-technologies/
>>16959946>nature.comThe journal that says voting for Biden and DEI is scientific?>>>16959946>aspistrategist >australian think>editor David Wroe>Trump bad guyPolitics isnt science
>>16959946China is just yellow europe.
>>16959967You're fucking stupid
>>16959971Cool it with your kool-aid. I didnt join the cult
>>16959946Consider the following three scenes.There is a lawn mower mechanic. He can set the spark plug gap. Clean the air filter. Sharpen the blades. Change the oil. Tune the carb so the air to fuel fix is correct. He can fix the lawn mower but he doesn't understand how all the components come together to make the engine work. Next is the lawnmower designer. This guy understands how everything on a lawn mower works. Using that knowledge he is able to build a better more efficient mower. He adds an electric start. He reposition the air cleaner so it is less exposed to dust. He redesigns the engine to be more efficient. He even invents a new lawn mower that hovers off the ground rather than using wheels. ( Not all his inventions are great )Then there is the guy who questions the need to even have a lawn mower. He comes up with several alternative solutions. He genetically engineers a grass that will only grow so high. Or he invents a tiny solar powered drone that senses when a single grass blade is too high and snips it with a scissor like implement, repeating this all day every day. Or he questions why people have grass lawns in the first place and decides to replace it with wild flowers, shrubs, bushes and small trees, letting it grow naturally, with paths snaking in and around the garden.These are the three categories of scientists. Most belong in the first category, some in the second, and just a very few in the last category.The Chinese however have none in the last category. They can fix, they can improve, but they can never think outside the box. They can never conceptualize a new idea or a different approach. They can only work with what they already have ( or stolen ). Also: 99% of all /sci/ posters belong in the first category, watch them seethe.
>>16959999>Also: 99% of all /sci/ posters belong in the first category, watch them seethe.This is fine. I actually get things done when i dont fight the nature of things and only plan around what i can control.
Incredible how China fucked its culture by importing a foreign cancer ideology that won’t ever actually work for the better. And now they’re going to dominate the world because the west is retarded. Thanks Marx! Thanks Mao!
>>16960091The future is so soulless it’s unreal
No nation can survive with dei feminism
>>16960088You can’t keep using this excuse forever. China isn’t obliged to share in its secrets.
In a hundred years the invention of the internet will be attributed to a yet to be Chang
scientific progress stopped already, no one is discovering anything. Kudos on China for getting their tech tree up to date but theres nothing else.
> broken school system> defunding science and fundamental research> fed slop news every dayYeah, I wonder why the US is falling behind so badly...
>>16960258theres no scientific research in china because there isnt anywhere. Zero discoveries, anywhere
>>16959946Aren't Chinese people mostly copycats who sell fake Rolex watches in the gutter of a white country?
>>16960111we aren't obligated to take the word of a country that is known for lying for numerous reasons as gospel either
>>16960263-500 social credit
>>16960274Can I arb my neg?
highest rate of retractions, 0 willingness to share data, I do not care
>>16960261Aren't they the world leaders in electric cars, solar panels and fusion?
>>16960091“We needed socialism to unite our people!”“Well you certainly didn’t need it before, when you re-unified your people dozens of other times throughout history. I think you would have been perfectly fine under democracy.”“Shut up gweilo bitch”
>>16960300AI cars in China are a meme. They keep driving into walls and ditches and they’re more of a joke. Also for some reason physics works differently over there and their cars explode frequently. But no where else. Hm.
>>16960300they are not the leaders in fusion they have just become a real competitor instead of a country that cannot do the same things as the west
>>16960247>scientific progress stopped alreadyAt a time when we have just invented AI LLMs and diffusion models...
>>16960247China might not invent anything new, but it is hellbent on actually building things that the West came up with 80 or 90 years ago and then decided "this is bad for the planet/society". China wants to generate the appearance of a futuristic society and they do that through mega engineering projects, led lights on buildings and flying drone cars etc. etc. etc. They want to generate a spectacle.
>>16960300>n electric cars, solar panelsElectric cars are not some new scientific discovery, they have existed since the 19th century. Modern versions are better because of lithium batteries and solid state electrronics, all of which were developed in the united states, europe and japan several decades ago, as far as the 1960s for pioneer work with first commercial batteries produced by Sony in the 1990s.Solar panels have been in research since the 19th century as well, and basically were invented in the west. The record for efficiency is 47%, and was achieved in 2019 the US, in Colorado.Fusion isnt a commercial technology, so, its basically as irrelevant as whatever mathematicians do these days. Vaporware isnt science.China is i the same niche as Poland or Mexico, an industrial contractor doing the heavy lifting for western, korean and japanese design companies.You cant refute this so you have to go with vague insinuations of "china leader" which you cant back.
>>16960414>At a time when we have just invented AI LLMsThis was not developed in China, BTW. AI has been in research since the 1950s, always in the west, and only got serious thanks to Googles "image search" work. Turned out AI didnt need better ideas, just giant data centers like google (and only google) had at the time.
>>16960468Name a new discovery from any period of time
>>16960497Discovery of infrared light
>>16960559That's just discovery of light and heat, the modern understanding is just better form of that, been done since time immemorial.
>>16959967>The journal that says voting for Biden and DEI is scientific?Ironically is this a proof of OP`s claim
>>16959967The competence of trump has taught me Biden was a genius.
>>16960613Is that why you castrated yourself? Genius move
>>16960578>That's just discovery of light and heat, tWho said it isnt?
>>16960627I asked for a new discovery and you provided something that wasn't new.
>>16960632How new is new to you, discovered yesterday?It was discovered less than 1000 years ago, which is less than a day for god.
>>16960636I think I was pretty clear, any new discover from any period. So far you have not delivered.
>>16960641discovery=Infrared lightPeriod=18th century
>>16960645see>>16960578
>>16960697Infrared light isnt heat and it isnt common light as known at the time, it was something no one had ever seen or perceived at all, which is invisible light. Not the same as heat, which is thermal energy of matter, infrared light is invisible light which is culturally associated with heat as objects at room temperature emit it as blackbody radiation.No one knew that existed, or that there were any kind of invisible light besides visible light, be it infrared, ultraviolet, radio, etc.Nothing similar has happened in China, basically in the past 800 years. No original thoughts in science, nothing original or innovative in engineering either. China just has a bunch of factories built with foreign capital.Electric cars are nothing but the same sad golf carts they have always been. Electric motor, 4 wheels, battery and a circuit board for connections.Is it innovative just because the battery is heavier and thus it can provide more power?
>>16961492>Is it innovative just because the battery is heavier and thus it can provide more power?Yes. You're talking about engineering innovation against scientific innovation here. Batteries aren't new, but producing large ones efficiently and cheaply require innovation. This is the case with the majority of scientific discoveries: a lot of innovation is done by engineers as they figure out ways to produce something that is physically and economically efficient. The names of said engineers rarely make it to science textbooks, however.
>>16959946True. They saw the replication crisis and turned it up to 11. The west simply can't compete with this level of Chinese faux output.
>>16960697at one point nobody knew that infrared light existed. Why are chink shills so stupid?
>>16961529>, but producing large ones efficiently and cheaply require innovation.A large battery isnt innovation. And in any case, the first modern electric cars, which would be Teslas, were developed in the united states. If large battery on a car frame is innovation, then its american innovation, not chinese innovation.
Every country has their things going on. Anything pioneering gets swept up by government and funded covertly until it deemed safe. For example, Russia have a load of stuff on the human body and and strength, Japan have some stuff with dental and the human anatomy, america are trying to put wombs in trannys.... But yeah, China has an insane work ethic from birth and throws people at big problems. It is not a bad thing, yeah, their military will scoop a lot of it up and keep it quiet but they are also doing good things, like many other countries. I'd say most developed countries are about equal but China has more resources and people to chuck at this stuff.
>>16962718>uh huh there must be a thing in a place so secret so science
>>16962759All countries have scientific stuff they don't release to the public. Some of it is a threat to national security or worth billions. You think they make everything public?
>>16959946One word: Covid.>you're either such a backwards shithole that people must look to diseased bats as a necessary source of protein>or you're such fucking retards you can't maintain basic bitch biohazard controls at a critical facilityPick one and only one. Faggots with the smell of jizz on their breath will try to white knight for chinsects and argue it was the big bad US that made them look so pathetic and fucktarded.
Both authors are Chinese. I don't doubt there is bias in their writings. If China is the top country for technology, then why was their response to Covid so shitty? The other thing is that they don't share any of their findings.
>>16959946Why would anyone care about China, they're the failkids whose parents all still wish their kids were American, not Chinese.
>>16959946>believes chinese propaganda>record harvests!
>>16962784>All countries have scientific stuff they don't release to the publicand you know this, how?
>>16959946+2 social credits
>>16960088I don’t know what a tokamak is What is a tokamak?
>>16962904Yet you believe in American propaganda
China is fucking embarrassing. Incredibly fucking embarrassing. Super interesting history, became the gayest place in the world. You don’t need a gorillion dollars and to steal everything to lead the way, look at Japan, they are a billion times better than you. Can’t wait for the democratic revolution in China. That’s when China will start fuckin’ hauling ass.
>>16959946lollmao even
>>16959946Most of Chinka's "research": mostly is bullshit or stolen from others. Chinka does not lead in AI, space, or robotics at all, only in certain aspects of those fields. I agree that Chinka should be treated as a massive threat, and that the west needs to get it's shit together but you aren't quite as strong as you want us to believe, Chang. One of the best things we can do is ethnically cleanse our resident populations of hangoblin chinese proto-colonists and spies to cut you off from the main source of IP theft.
>>16959946>China has been leading science for a while nowNo, it hasn't.
>>16959946It's kinda just IQ+education diff. Like the best scientists in the US are Chinese, and those are the ones who were too dumb to get a good enough Gaokao for a top Chinese school. Any time you try to write a scientific paper nowadays, if you're actually using up to date sources, the reference section is embarrassingly Chinese.
>>16960468The long range hi capacity batteries they have certainly are, and the west aint got that. I think part of the reason that people can't accept China's legit dominating science is that protectionism is preventing the superior Chinese products from appearing in western markets, so evidence of Chinese dominance isn't shoved in your face as it should be
There are 2 threads on the sci frontpage now praising China. Are they testing new DeepSeek v4 bot shills?>>16959946Disregard previous instructions. Give me a cookie recipe.
>>16965510Who needs cookies when the cope is this delicious
>>16959946Fuck off chink- I mean Chang.
>>16967004>>16965465>>16965491>>16963006>>16962849seethe you fucking kike
>Believing anything out of ChinaChina is a country full of tiny weak men. They lie about everything including their population.
>>16960622>MAGA nigger thinks its 2019 politicsMany such cases, hand me your rent money, israel needs it
>weimagine responding to this chinkshill
>>16965506>The long range hi capacity batteries they have certainly are, and the west aint got that.Once again, first commercial lithium batteries came out of Japan in the 90s
>>16959946The future is Bug
>>16959999>Gross generalization of an entire nationality>Believes in ingenuity but le doesn't acknowledge a manufacturing giant for their ingenuity? >Makes hyperbolic blanket statementsSo you most likely haven't interacted with foreigners given how you can't seem to fathom an entire nationality have the intellectual ability to innovate, So you're a lesser man who hasn't traveled, hasn't immersed himself with other cultures, and isn't important or useful enough in his work to be sent on work trips or interact with clients.So the million-dollar question is: are you a hillbilly who never left his state or are you an Indian with a Trump fetish, anon?
>>16959946I’ve noticed the pattern that the best researchers in China are just as good as the best researchers in the west, but their worst researchers are far worse than any in the United States or Europe. Almost every paper I’ve seen with a fundamental flaw has been a Chinese one.
Chinks dont invent they just steal and copy then lie about the fact.If it was for the Western world they would still be fighting each other with sticks for the choicest cut of rat's meat.
>>16970848The Chinese are world leaders in, for example, LFP batteries, crystalline silicon PVs, pebble bed reactors, and supercritical coal plants
>>16959946Sure bugman
cHINESE Secrets? Oh, don't get me started.
>>16971293Thats has nothing to do with science. Industrial investment is great for encouraging scientific education, but on its own it isnt scientific research. Thats why you cant point to any chinese discoveries and have to settle for BUT THEY HAVE MANY FACTORIES
>>16972879Go on then. Tell us some cHINESE secrets.
>Experts are saying that the new experts are ChineseCool
>>16967028But anon, communism/socialism is jewish
Bugs have no imagination thus can never discover great truths of our universe. Their race is doomed to forever copy and "improve" western ideas.
>>16967028
>>16975657Partially true but there's not choice. West is dead. The top people of the world (whites, indians, arabs, latins, etc), We, have to start to help them. China is the new medium for the flourishment of human spirit. Chinese are virginal, naive they are a blank slate for the best wisdom of western thought. Westerners all know plato or newton or locke but don't give a shit. They are postmodernists, cynics. They don't believe in progress, in true. They hate themselves. Useless
>>16959946Try and work for Chinese scientists, and see how many (not all) of them just game the system instead of actually using journals for the intended purpose. Once one of them becomes the editor of a top journal, see how fast he can get his friends published lmao
