moon base - editionPrevious >>16984892
> Wake up> See SpaceX lost the Moon contract to Blue OriginSo fucking good
Spacebros? Is Elon really laying the foundation for near monopoly grip in telecommunications and space economy? Pic is just a part of me "shooting the shit" with gemini about the upcoming spacex ipo and the naysayers always pointing out the "losses" on the s1
>>16987670I googled it and don't see any fresh news.Are you referring to stuff from more than half a year ago?
>>16987678https://x.com/blueorigin/status/2059354822323978551
SpaceX-Tesla merger chatter reignites>As Elon Musk prepares to lead SpaceX into the public markets, there's growing chatter that his ultimate goal is to combine the company with Tesla. >The two companies already have a laundry list of shared resources, and Musk has discussed with colleagues the possibility of folding the companies together, according to people familiar with the talks>Legal experts said that a SpaceX-Tesla merger likely wouldn't spark antitrust issues but it would potentially raise concerns among shareholders in each of the two companies. Questions around which company would be the parent, how a stock swap would take place, and who determines the appropriate price are among the thorny challenges.https://www.cnbc.com/2026/05/26/spacex-tesla-merger-chatter-reignites-as-musk-rocket-company-nears-ipo.htmlhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRvCxAt1oRA
>new gleen in 6 days>won the contractKNEEL
SOON
>No StarshipOh no Spacex bros, what went so wrong?
>>16987686space cars baaaaaaaseeeed
>>16987686Despite what SpaceXissies may tell you from their delusional little bubble, 12 failed test flights in a row does not inspire confidene in the Starship.
I'm trying to design a reusable lunar that can be refuelled by two starship launches (one for the LOX and another for the CH4).Approximately what would be the payload of such a lander with that much fuel?
Spacex caught scamming the Pentagonhttps://nitter.net/NatSec_News/status/2059395670188966370#m
>>16987698>The claims in this article are simply not based in reality and do not reflect the close, effective collaboration between our teams.
>>16987698how is charging more for increased demand a scam, and how is it a scam when they agreed to the price increase?
>>16987696depends on too many factors for anyone to give you an answer. Throwing out a guess it could be between 0 to 4T of useful mass to the surface. But forget reusing a lunar lander. Nobody apart from BO even has any concept of a plan to actually reuse a lander. It's easier to send a new one than send fuel to the moon.
>>16987702my wife agreed to sleep with her boss, it doesnt mean he wasnt tricking her. she was genuinelly apolagetic. shit happens.
>>16987705is spacex the us governments boss?
Artemis has no landers and no suits, but a healthy working pipeline of (albeit overpriced) orange rockets and orion capsules.Ergo, SLS-Orion is hardware rich. Starship is hardware poor, despite copiumfags claiming that having twenty-odd v3’s in various states of>errm, we have a few sheet rolls welded to half a header tankcounts as “hardware rich”Is Raptor hardware rich? Yes. Are starship stacks? Hmm let’s see… one (1) launch since 2025… yeah I’m gonna say this is a hardware poor program
China will claim the moon due to US incompetence.-Posted using the Thousand Sails constellation.
Test
So as predicted the high res mages came out and the Muskjeets who were claiming the heat shield was immaculate have already memoryholed it.>THE SHIELD WAS PERFECT..... EXCEPT FOR THE GIANT CRIMSON PATCHES OF ABLATED STEEEL!!1!! IGNORE THOOOOOSE!
>>16987705>my wife agreed to sleep with her bossHot
Many are quick to say the future colonies should be art deco. Or art nouveau. But are you autistic enough to see the real vision: frank lloyd wrightism
>>16987716>Frank Lloyd WrightismYou mean Modernism.
>>16987717Yeah but modernism is too vague, I feel like
Musk has said many times that he forced Starship to have a pointy nose as a joke so he could be like the dictator from that sacha baron cohen movie. If true this is one of those areas where his autistic calls have massively retarded Starship development. pic related.
https://x.com/PhazzeeYeehaw/status/2059341208749535236>Not long ago today, a Long March 7A lifted off from the Wenchang Space Launch Site carrying the TJSW-24 spacecraft, the latest edition to its geostationary series and the first in six months
>>16987716brutalist exteriors, maximalist interiors
starship is the starship of starships
>>16987719you should start your space company
>>16987725that's genuinelly really kind of you to say. thankyou for making my day just that little bit brighter.
how did josh "EDS" brodkin whip out an anti-elon article this fast? the news just fucking broke.https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2026/05/musk-says-us-military-suicide-drones-used-starlink-in-violation-of-spacex-rules/
SLS and Orion are the only hardware-rich aspect of the Artemis program.
So this is the perimeter we're going to set up, or what?
What about terraforming the moon?Wouldnt that be easy as fuck compared to terraforming mars?
>>16987741its time for luna to take back the clay that earth stole from it billions of years ago
>>16987674Congratulations for stumbling into what this thread has been talking about for like 7 years
>>16987716actually frank lloyd wright lived in the past, not the future
>>16987686Jared is adopting the (smart) tactic of using NASA to pressure the rest of the industry into getting their act together while letting spacex do their own thing. Keep in mind that spacex is its own parallel independent space program to NASA with its own roadmap and goals. He knows what they can and will do for the lunar program but he's letting all the slow kids get their turn so there aren't constant cries of favoritism and collusion.
This nigga jared adopting the elon “fly by the seat of your pants” playbook
>>16987741Mars already has an atmosphere, all you gotta do is beef it up and create a magnetosphere to protect it. The Moon can't even hold an atmosphere, which without one, everything else is harder to do.
>>16987714Are the white streaks the crunch wrap supreme fluff coming off?There's your (you) fren who baits
>>16987754>>16987743>Make moon dome with trees and shit inside>make more>moon covered by domes>connect them There you go a whole moon where you can live, work fuck and have animals and foodMaybe heat things up so the water of the moon make rivers
>>16987765And Earth is right there, 3 days away.
They said the base would be "Hundreds of square miles" and have a perimeter of drones. They're trying to "claim" the land around the South Pole with drones before the Chinese land there, because the Chinese will land there first.
>>16987771Yup and no politician really gives a shit, which sucks. It’s first come first serve for prime real estate and it’s going to take one or two smacks in the ass (à la sputnik and yuri gagarin) to make Congress wake up and go wait whaaaaat this is a serious issue??
>>16987754>muh magnetosphereNice to have but irrelevant on human timescales
No matter how fast Artemis can reshuffle and remobilize under Jared, the truth is that everything is still going to have a 5-10 yr delay time in terms of political sway and importance. Meaning that congress will see a huge death of boomers and the shifting to a truly gen-x/millennial controlled congress.That is all to say: it’s only going to get worse.
>>16987670okay and?
It annoys me that they now call CLPS missions Moon Base missions.
>>16987691>12 failed test flightspretty sure theyve had quite a few successful ones but what do i know, im only literate and have a triple digit iq
>still no flight 13 updates??????????
Why wouldnt it work?
>>16987790because of the domes. /sfg/ is a strictly air mattress general
>>16987790Lack of hydrogen, nitrogen and carbon. Maybe if you bring some(a lot) asteroids to the Moon.
>>16987790you're still going to have jello babies
>>16987767The moon will be for all the old people. The moon will just be a giant retirement home
>>16987788Flight 13 in 3 to 4 werks
>>16987790why wouldn't it work?
>>16987765That's not terraforming, you're just making habitats.>>16987790Congrats! You made one huge ass oven. Where's the radiation protection? Also, no rockets can't enter or leave.If you want your dome to work, you need to have layers. Outer layer for MMOD protection, a thin layer of water to protect against radiation (whoops you've used up all your lunar water), another layer to trap the atmosphere. And then huge airlocks for rocket entry/exit.Just face it, Mars is easier.
>>16987794It'd be one hell of a hospice center, geriatrics would be skipping and hopping like they did when they were kids. I'd move up there, bone loss be damned. I'd never come back down, fuck Earf.
Living in space would be cool if you have a spacecraft with 100s of delta-v and a good astronaut suit to explore freely pretty much every world in the Solar System but in reality you will be stuck in a small smelly habitat with other people, having to work long hours(supervised all the time by people living on Earth to make sure you don't do something wrong), and you probably won't be able to do a lot "EVAs" because it's too risky and when you do it you will be supervised by at least 5 people who tell you what to do, you will work like a teleoperated robot. Humans aren't made to exist like that, it is fine for maybe a year but not for the rest of your life.
>>16987670Nobody cares
>>16987670I care.
>>16987809>but in reality you will be stuck in a small smelly habitat with other peopleunless?
>>16987809>but in reality you will be stuck in a small smelly habitat with other people, having to work long hours(supervised all the time by people living on Earth to make sure you don't do something wrong)That's already my experience, why would I feel different elsewhere. Being stuck with 100 people several light seconds from the rest of you sounds great.
>>16987799Based as fuck>>16987800>You made one huge ass ovenGood space is cold>Also, no rockets can't enter or leave.The dome can take a rocket liftoff just like it tanks asteroids>MMOD protection,You just made that up>water to protect against radiationIts not that much radiation, it wont get pass the dome and atmosphere
>>16987779It's going to be funny when they "claim" an area and China lands people there. Although I doubt 90% of these "monthly lunar missions" will happen.
>>16987679So they are going to try and land a rover ahead of the manned mission.That's a good idea.
I wonder what will be the requirements for going to Mars, I don't mean qualifications but rather through which tests you have to go through. I guess it would make sense to let applicants live in a Mars habitat simulator on Earth for some months or maybe a year considering the duration they will stay on Mars and you want to be sure they won't become a liability.
>>16987809Most of us already live like that, so why wouldn't I jump at the opportunity to be a lunar wagie?
ad astra ass shit
What’s the issue with Raptor? Why hasn’t it been solved by now?
>>16987804Hell they wouldn't even need radiation shielding either since they would already be too old for it to matter.>To put the financial scale into perspective, the broader U.S. senior living market is on track to clear $1.2 trillion by 2030.I believe we've found the economic reason for the moon
>>16987814Nobody cares.
>>16987658>Phasenice
>>16987846Send all boomers and gen x on a way trip to alpha centauri
>isaacman gets asked a question>will the beacons/perimeters from the moonfall drones act as some sort of border to keep non-artemis nations out>gives pretty much a non-answeris militarization of space and the moon inevitable
>>16987876Yes, such is the human condition.
>>16987877>>16987876Yeah at this point i rather have irl fallout than spaceexploration kino if its gonna be just as shitty up there
>>16987751Intelligent comment on /sfg/? What is this?
>>16987658So when are we going to start calling it "Luna" officially?
>>16987887Moon in english: :(Moon in spanish: :)Fuck you, you arent using my language find a different name or wait for the spanglish mergeAlso you basedfacing at luna like its something other than moon its cringe
>>16987889what about selene ;)
>>16987892Yeah i vibe with it
rename earth to Planet
>>16987889>spanish
>>16987895?
>>16987846the advancements in robotics will bring wearable exoskeletons that make that idea obsolete
>>16987901Then we will shoot the boomers and gen x in their mecha suit
>>16987887Right after you jump into the wood-chipper.
>>16987895isn't it the language of latinos?why did latinos name all the plants I still can't figure it out
>>16987904No in that case its actual latin not spanish, and dinosaurs are latin + greekIdk why they chosed this but keep in mind the names have to sound cool worldwide
SPEHS
>>16987921What was the point of that piece of shit again?
>>16987795See you in September!
>>16987681Jesus fucking Christ, already? The IPO hasn't even happened yet and he's already preparing the main bailout, Tesla must be so unbelievably cooked. I expected it'd at least take a while but I guess since he's getting away with everything anyways there's no need to pretend there's any other goal.
>>16987922Originally? It was supposed to be more similar to starship, and had the design not been tampered with for funding reasons, it wouldn’t have petrified spaceflight for 40 years.
>>16987927>b-bailoutTesla and spacex are both hugely succesful, this cope is so tired.
https://x.com/Epikur_vS/status/2059309787117150324EU communists are seething about SpaceX and Elon once again
>>16987927I thought he always wanted to put everything under "X"
so what's the plan to deal with moon dust >>16987790
>>16987922Astronaut Killer 9000
>100 Falcon 9 launches only costs 1.5 billion nowlmao
>>16987939If you want to clean equipmennt, suits, etc., get them into an airlock or closed chamber and spray them down with liquid nitrogen.
>>16987716
>>16987714Muskjeets celebrated when it fell over and exploded. I didn't quite know what to make of all the cheering.
>>16987670>>16987839Hopefully Blue Origin has a rover design ready to go that is less embarrassing to look at. What the fuck were they thinking?
>>16987714It's melted Kaowool residue dragged across the belly of the aircraft you absolute fucking retard.
>>16987979>>16987758Notice how the goalposts have silently moved from>The shield was spotless, 100% reusable!To>The shield was fucked up beyond repair, but UGHHH.... I JUST DONT LIKE YOU!!1!1Curious. Allowing such 3rd worlders on the internet was a mistake because it has clearly harmed discourse, even in niche communities.
>>16987979starship is not an airchraft schizo
Version 4 will fix the heat shield!
>>16987986>the reusable heat shield in question
>>16987939humans shouldn't work outside, that's a job for robots
Simple question for Muskjeets: If Starship worked so spectacularly well on flight 12, then why will flight 13 be an exact repeat of flight 12?In the industry we call that a failure. If Artemis 1 had to be repeated all yall would be screaming failure form the mountain tops.
>>16987986omg, a community note
>>16987741>Wouldnt that be easy as fuck compared to terraforming mars?No
>>16987765>terraform>build domesHello, retard
>>16987790>just make building the size of a planetYeah, we do that all the time on Earth. It's bound to be much easier on the moon in hard vacuum and without any infrastructure or the required materials.
>>16987939Literally and unironically EDS
>>16987795I wish to believe
>>16987839Looks like shit
>>16987839looks like some euro-style cuck mobilewhat happened
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2059638265192267838>The ULA Launch Readiness Review is GO to continue towards launch of Atlas V with our seventh Amazon Leo constellation mission. Liftoff is planned for Friday evening at 7:33 p.m. EDT (2333 UTC) from Cape Canaveral. Early weather forecast is 25% favorable. ULA will offer live reports from launch control in our automatically refreshing blog beginning at 4:30 p.m. EDT (2030 UTC). The launch livestream starts at 20 minutes before liftoff.
>>16987939Use something to neutralize the static through ionization, that's what makes the dust sticky.
It's time to admit that in retrospect we look like fools.
>>16988026why is he like this
>IFT 12 WAS A GREAT SUCCESSmeanwhile in reality:>SpaceX were inches from losing the ship just like they lost the booster.>They were so unconfident after the engine damage that they skipped relight >Flight 12 went so badly that flight 13 will AGAIN be a repeat of the exact same missIon objectives as FLIGHT 1
>>16987986>mind broken by EDS postersNigger I was simply asking why it looked a certain way. I'm assuming they don't have the thermal expansion isn't sealing the gaps fully
>>16987846God, imagine being able to ship every last old fuck off to the moon. Imagine the reduction in traffic, in supermarket lines, at the doctor.>>16987901You want to give the boomers powered armor? You fuckin' nuts anon?
>>16988028>ift
>>16988028>>16988026>>16987986If I wanted to use twatter I'd just go to fucking twatter myself, fuck off faggot
>>16988008>explosion after the ocean impact is his evidence of the "heat shield tiles not working"Alright, you convinced me. Thunderfoot HAS to be paid at this point. There's no way he hit post and believed in his heart that his argument made any sense. Does he ever shittalk other companies like Blue Origin or is it just SpaceX?
>hhhhweel
Is it true that all of the talented engineers fled SpaceX years ago?
spacexsisters what do we make of Blue Origin getting all these new contracts to land lunar base hardware on the surface soon? Is starship even going to work and make it to Artemis III?
https://x.com/raz_liu/status/2059650763048296538>CZ-12B vertical at JSLC and landing legs are installed
https://x.com/GewoonLukas_/status/2059342782469189899>The launch of Blue Origin's New Glenn NG-4 mission has appeared on the FAA's Current Operations Plan Advisory! It reveals that the launch is scheduled for NET June 2nd at 18:04 UTC, and that it'll carry Amazon Leo LN-01! LN-01 will comprise of 48 satellites and is the 1st of 24.
>>16988051Holy shit, launching so soon and with so many sats onboard, BO is on a roll!
>>16987795+2 weeks
>Starship grounded by FAA after last failed testHahaha I told you so
>>16988068AAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAyet deluded idiots will say there was no failure. It wasnt just your run of the mill catastrophic failure like weve seen most Starship flights, it was a failure on the order of IFT1. The booster flipped the wrong way and performed boostback IN THE WRONG DIRECTION so ended up splashing down outside of the corridor. Fucking lol.
Go back to twitter faggot
>>16987714I knew this would happen btwknew it the moment they said that I'm a schizo for pointing it out and should wait for the high res footagefucking LMAO at muskrats
>>16987939Why not just remove it and and melt the ground a little bit? It's not like wind will bring new lunar dust. Just put everything under a dome when preparing new ground to be without lunar dust. Or why it wouldn't work?
>>16987714Looks brand new. sorry your EDS blinds you.
>>16988076wasn't china planning something like that
>>16988068>>16988065Muskjeet copers will be eating well. Finally they can blame the FAA boogeyman again.
beautiful ;^)
>>16988068It's funny because SpaceX is the only company that launches often enough that a weeklong grounding is a threat.
>>16988065Aaaaaaaaaaand 8 months it is…
Remember when Elon Musk said the FAA delays were the reason Starship wasn't operational.. 3 years ago?I remember.
>>16988093this is a nothingburgerFAA has been declawed after DOGE and is completely impotent. There has been a "mishap investigation" after every flight basically (because it keeps fucking failing) and they get cleared a week or two laterit's all performative
>>16988099The point of a mishap investigation is to make sure that the source of the problem is addressed before they possibly endanger the public by going again without fixing it. That's it. It's not there to keep people grounded as punishment. If you want it as punishment you need to be kept as far from any position of power as possible.
Fellow Muskoxen... We are making him mad.
>>16988114is he blocked by elonis that why he's screencapping?
>>16988012Literally all solvable real easyAlso microgravity of course we can build big shiet
>>16988121that's rapid iterative development
>>16988121Show us your starship. Maybe you could do better so you should start your own space company. Or maybe you just have EDS, punk.
Can we start calling it "v3 test #1" instead of "flight test #12"Failing on test #1 sounds much better
>>16987972this means you have no idea whats going on
>>16988137nta but what is going on
>>16988139cult worship.
>>16988137celebrating another good re-entry and controlled landing, this time of a brand new Ship. It was never not going to explode once it was in the water.
>>16988033musty muskrat
>>16988158Ship exploding isn't a failure if you only look at this specific flight but when you look at the grand scheme of things it is bad, the fact that it is still included in the mission timeline of Flight 12 indicates a failure.
muskoxen, what is to be done with these edsfreaks
>>16988166what is wrong with repeating the same flight plan 12 times? Perhaps you are struggling to comprehend how rapid iterative development works.
>>16988166thats's merely your very very very uninformed outsider opinion though.
Cancel Starship.
>>16988166the entire reason they cram ambitious objectives into flights is BECAUSE they expect hardware loss and want maximum data return per launchevery single starship thread now is just people pretending they discovered aerospace engineering yesterday:>“UHHH GUYS I THINK THIS MIGHT BE BAD???”yeah no shit. that’s why they’re in the early stages of designing V4 already
This guy's on Muskshrooms ^
I'm from the future.
>>16988182subtle bait, just how I love it
>>16988186In the future Starship is also still just CGI?
found this guys 60's space themed music. real sfg/ might like it. i appreciate the judicious theremin usage.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4P3JXJln_1c
>>16988182V5 will be the one, just like block 5 was for falcon
>>16988223Nobody gives a shit. Buy an ad for your AI slop.
>>16988229its not mine. just posting something i found recently thats nice. sorry if it doesn't fit into your preferred concept of this general being a non-stop EDS battle.
Why /sfg/ don't care about SETI?
>>16988234It's like standing in Antarctica and cupping your hand to your ear trying to hear what they're saying in New York.
>>16988223>that's niceit would have to be actually nice and not AIslop
>>16987979no, it's not, it's a tiny amount of ablation from the stuffing between the heatshields from right before it expands enough thermally to cover the gaps.>>16987986>the goalposts have moved to my schizo delusion version of eventsthey haven't, because you're wrong and the heatshield was not fucked up beyond repair, take your lithium and stop lying.>i just don't like youmost people wouldn't like you, you sound like a hysterical woman 24/7>3rd worlders3rd worlders like you who insist on obsessively shitting on an experimental spaceflight program based solely on one single person being involved in the project.also, nobody cares about irrelevant twitter nobodies, go back to twitter, tourist.
>>16988026the people that constantly post retarded shit like this to /sfg/ so that people will respond to it calling it retarded are very lonely.if you actually have friends, you shoot the shit with them to have fun, if you're a loser that nobody likes, you pretend to be retarded on the internet for attention, like this poster.
>>16988225>just like block 5 was for falconFalcon 9 was flying successfully long before block 5.
>>16988167this is not the sharty, kid, your zoomer humor is awkward and unfunny.
>>16988249generally i dont like AI stuff, but some of these themed mixes are pretty nice. haven't found anything like them elsewhere at least.
>>16988035He would know the difference in design goal between either heat shields.He just has a huge grudge against Elon Musk, I guess he's worth hating but Thunderf00t is completely obsessed with the guy. It's really unhealthy. Watching him watch the first super heavy booster flight get caught was soul crushing. He just wants SpaceX to fail utterly.
>>16988068The next booster hasn't done even a single test yet. The likelihood that the investigation will hold up a launch is exactly zero.
>>16988278its the obvious desire for failure that makes it all so distasteful.
>SpaceX is probably our greatest commercial space company, hands down.- Jared Isaacman
>>16988304Who is numero dos?
posting thunderfoot should be an instant 30 day
>>16988331thunderf00t has been doing spaceflight content for longer than you have been interested in space
>>16988333He has a PhD in chemistry. Has he done even a single deep dive video into rocket propellants? He must have since he is this old school space youtuber juggernaut.
>>16988304>it's now been confirmed that isaacman's appointment was a corrupt scheme to funnel more money to SpaceX
>>16988343Is EagerLoser educated in space? how bout Dim Todd? You have no problem with these clowns pontificating on things because they are glazing Elon. Suddenly it's a problem when a qualified scientist (with a record of being proven right) has a different opinion.PressureFedAstronaut is literally a rocket scientist, but you don't care.
>>16988349>NOOO HE'S IN TOUCH WITH REALITY>HE MUST BE A PAID ACTORlmao
>>16988351no, "these clowns" simply, unironically, have more knowledge on the ins and outs of spaceflight than thunderf00t, who has shown himself completely impotent on the subject, the only knowledge he has has very clearly come from a very obsessive and focused effort to try and diss spacex, he knows fuckall about spaceflight otherwise because is entire interest in it is wholly dependant on obsessively malding about spacex. fucking embarrassing to be a PhD in something and then still get mogged by random normies in a (different from your PhD but still) scientific subject.>with a record of being proven righthe doesn't.before he was retarded enough to tackle spacex, he spent his time making grift videos on extremely easy targets like obvious scams and such, the guy is just an embarrassing failure, has a PhD but his only way of making money is posting shitty "skeptic" hatemongering videos on youtube.
we need to start calling elon the "african man". AFRICAN MAN BAD.
"You'll Thank Me Later" has arrived
>>16988366it'll do great
>>16988333Thunderfoot having a long history of being a retard is not the argument you wanted it to be.
>>16988351How about his video where he debunks Starlink. We now know pretty definitely that it is profitable. Has he made any videos where he foams about Amazon Leo or the planned Chinese satellite internet constellations? Ah, but those aren't run by Musk, so they don't exist to him.Place your bets, is he gonna make a video where he says he was wrong about Starlink, or a 1000th video where he complains about Musk.
>>16988351Of all the 'influencers' you named only one has demonstrated a stunning lack of knowledge of the subject, take a guess who it is.
>>16988351>qualified scientistHe's a 55 year old postdoc.
>>16988351>he's a scientist!!1and? what about the myriad of other scientists who have positive views of spacex? lol, reminds me of climate-change deniers who focus on the 3 or 4 scientists who share the same schizo narrative, while at the same time ignoring the remaining 99.999% of the scientific community.
>>16988121socya like in 2028 for the next test if this trend holds steady?
>The Artemis Accords, while recognizing the Outer Space Treaty, allow for the possibility of creating “safety zones” that would establish areas in which “harmful interference” is not allowed. “A safety zone should be the area in which nominal operations of a relevant activity or an anomalous event could reasonably cause harmful interference,” the Artemis Accords state. NASA and China have not formally discussed or mutually approved the concept of safety zones, and some Chinese commentators have been critical of the idea.>Establishing a perimeter would seem to be the first manifestation of a safety zone on the lunar surface, although Isaacman would not confirm this when asked directly.https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/05/nasa-takes-steps-toward-building-moon-base-including-discussing-a-perimeter/just answer the fucking question, jared
>>16988424in the OST isnt relinquishing claims of ownership of territory in space an admission that the system of private ownership on Earth is unjust? I always thought it was a little strange from purely ideological terms for the US to agree such a treaty.
Thunderhobo posters get the rocket exhaust. Placed under the bell nozzles and athomized, absolutely expunged from reality
>>16988428The OST does not prohibit private claims of territory
someone seriously posted AI generated music in my /sfg/, unironically?fuck 2026 gawd damn fuck fuck
Instead of an RTG or solar panels could you hypothetically make a powerplant consisting of mirrors that focus sunlight into a thermoelectric generator?
>>16988459sure
>>16988450Optimistic putting that 2027 in such a bold font. You've got to start saving the space in that picture.
>>16988127I proudly admit I have EDS. I shilled for this man year after year, becoming the cringe elon nerd while I held conviction in my heart that I was right and they were the blind ones. the ITS will blow everyone away. unmanned flights to mars in 2020, manned in 2024, they'll see.now we're 12 test flights into the starship program and we're what, 5+ years away from a lunar landing? mars rugpulled in favor of lunar AI factories? "go fuck yourself in the face if you don't want indians everywhere"?but at least we bought twitter and did the holocaust humiliation tours for our jewish baby momma or something
>>16988469People who post EDS should jump into a lava pit.
>>16988474that's right anon. I'm putting 10k into the IPO. match me!
>>16988476Maybe you can answer my question?>>>/biz/62281323
ftl when?
>>16988428No, it does not follow.Private ownership of entities in space is not actually what is prohibited.*National* state ownership of space property is what is prohibited.To explain further, private enterprise and companies can absolutely lay stake to xenoplanetary territories.But if a terran government were to claim the moon, that would constitute a breach of international law.So you see, the only legal means of actually settling space which exist at this time belongs to literal NGOs.You might think the government owning something and an individual owning something are the same. But you'd be wrong.As it stands now, the future among the stars lies in venture capital enterprise.Which is fucked but that's just how the cookie crumbles.
>>16988477buy index funds? i read that they should automatically buy the ipo.
>>16988480When we discover the inertialess drive
>>16988480Just go to lightspeed and then go faster. Time dilation is fake and gay.
>>16988480all times at once
>>16988481I get this would make sense from an ancap perspective, but in reality government determines what constitutes 'legal' ownership within the territory the government controls. So for private entities to own anything in space at all they must be deriving the legal ownership from a government, which is exactly what they do. Starlink sats are the legal property of SpaceX because SpaceX derives it's legal ownership over them from the USG. If SpaceX tried to do this directly it would be acting as a state, so would be in violation of the OST, unless the treaty is only about terrestrial states and does not apply to ones formed in space.
>>16988481addendumThese hypothetical spacefaring entities setting up extraterrestrial habitations would actually be outside the real jurisdiction of earth governments as defined by these treaty agreements.Meaning, they could and really the argument must be made they should establish their own exo, planetary, or lunar local governments. And it would be the part of earth states to recognize these people's self determination. Whether the framework for interplanetary military alliances really exists is a question not settled.True Selene and Martian dual citizens, as it were. The particular forms, codes, and structures these governments could take might vary significantly. Certain distinct space bodies eventually might form into cooperation pacts as a matter of expedience.
>>16988496>>16988481So basically the USG is sovereign over Starlink because they are the ones who determine SpaceXes legal ownership, so it's really imposisble for states not to be intimately involved in owning things in space. They always have and shall continue to.
>>16988480when we can harness negative energy
>>16988496>So for private entities to own anything in space at all they must be deriving the legal ownership from a governmentNo, they simply need to act as a sovereign non-signatory of the OST. Whether that sovereignty is recognized by Earth governments is a different matter entirely.
>even if we get ftl we wont be able to colonize other galaxies>we wont be able to leave the observable universe>we wont be able to explore whats outside of the universe>we wont even be able to meet the godlike existences that created everythingwhats the point?
>>16988507>we wont even be able to meet the godlike existences that created everythingThis one is actually the easiest on the list
>>16988507Just break lightspeed. Laws are for fags, natural laws doubly so.
>>16988476I'm putting 1k after two weeks (think warren buffet said that's usually said how long to wait after IPO). Do not give a shit about making any sort of return, just always wanted to own some SpaceX stock.
>>16987978
>>16988480after WWIII
>>16988527>tortoise.jpgelon panicking hard rn
>>16988530>30% of human population killedMake it 70%
>>16988499No, the legal ownership of a company some people contract with actually has no bearing on their political autonomy in space.Literally speaking, the law actually doesn't extend that far yet. There is no precedent.An American could own the company responsible for settling the first people on the moon.That wouldn't mean America owns the moon. Not even the company itself necessarily. Though obviously the equipment, at least until production is established in the far future, would belong to the business.Rather, for representation these people would actually need to establish an independent compact and declare sovereignty.In essence, the situation literally demands that terrestrial commerce law regulating contract and exchange be void, since they are intrinsically attached to national jurisdictions. Meaning the company itself cannot claim it, only natural people. Those actually in situ.
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>>16988546America would have jurisdiction over the land and resources used to launch an american missionspacex can't even launch a suborbital test without approval>declare sovereigntyhow can they declare sovereignty from a place they require regular resupply missions from?
We are currently on the golden age of>spaceflight>astronomy>deep ocean exploration>dmt realm explorationWhat a time to be alive
SpaceX has almost finished writing V1.0 of an in-house AI training stack in C that exact-maps to 220k GB300s with 800G NICs, making heavy use of pipeline parallelism and getting as close to bare metal as possible.The potential speed improvement vs JAX for large training runs is over an order of magnitude
>>16988583Is it true that our AI is being used to batter down the walls to the strange by creating a daemon that isn't really alive but still dreams?
>>16988424This is one of the reasons Russia and China didn't sign the Artemis accords. It further legitimizes corporate stake in claiming resources and areas where those are (territory). They thought the US would bumb rush the solar system, but I guess China is going to do that now.
>>16988594only popular science magazines can answer that
>>16988594No AI doesnt dream it doesnt think anyone with the absolute most basic understanding of machine learning knows thisDmt realm exploration doesnt have to be attached to anything mystical i like that the current studies are really grounded
>>16988469>"go fuck yourself in the face if you don't want indians everywhere"? A small part of me wants musk to fail just because of this. But the last few photos I saw of X and SpaceX showed very few browns or Indians. So maybe he found out?
>>16988604If you're talking about that weird ginger guy that has all the after effects slop that he thinks is actually what people see on DMT, I gave up on him a while ago. He sounds very scientific but it's total nonsense.
>>16988608>maybe he found outSpaceX has ITAR restrictions. But apparently he found out at X.>>16988477>robinhoodYou probably don't qualify.
>>16988610They actually sintetized a dmt version that can be injected and they can make the trips last hours nowCant remember in which central america country they have all the psychonauts and doing all the exploration and experimentsThe guy that made the book ( >>16988583 pic rel) is involved in it
>>16987719it's not bad, but obviously all that extra mass is going to decrease payload. A cylinder has more surface area than a cone and would require more heat shielding. So it increases payload volume by sacrificing mass. Whether this is a good idea depends on what is the limiting factor.Some of that new volume is actually useless as well, like the bits in the corners. So it just adds a weak point by creating sharp corners that can't actually be used most of the time.
>>16988477there aren't any details because there's no listing date yet, you should be able to place orders a day or two before
>>16987939
What are they doing with Marmac 31?
I present to you starship space planeAnd...It looks the exact same
>>16987939Take a normal piece of aluminum, shoot it with a very fast laser. The special texture reduces the contact area where dust can touch the metal (imagine dust balls sitting on the tips of tiny spikes instead of flat ground) and changes how the surface interacts with the static electricity of the dust. About 85% less dust sticks to the surface apparently.http://english.scio.gov.cn/in-depth/2024-10/10/content_117474468.html
>china glazing[-]
>>16988636implessive
how long does it take this to get to florida?
>>16988654They should have used this to transport Timmy.
>>16988655Your daughter, she come my house, and she kick my dog
>>16988654gemini says one to two weeks
You do not tell me damn right
>>16988351>Is EagerLoser educated in space? how bout Dim Todd?Eager space seems more educated in business management than rocketry but thats mostly what he talks about. Of course talking about the business means you have to talk about the hardware too but he keeps it relevant to business stuff.Estronaut is genuinely one of the most knowledgeable people about space hardware today. His video about soviet engines was fantastic. I will not stand for anyone disparaging his rocket knowledge.
>>16988654How long does it take NASA to move their tanks to the Cape?>Pegasus will ferry the flight-ready core stage to NASA’s Stennis Space Center near Bay St. Louis, Mississippi for testing and then to Kennedy for integration of the SLS flight vehicle in the Vehicle Assembly Building. >Trips from Michoud to Stennis will take approximately one day; the trips from Stennis to Kennedy will take approximately six days.Welp.My WAG would be 12 to 16 days travel time from Brownsville. Say two weeks.
Give it to me straight, how much of SpaceX success can be attributed to Elon's influence and management?
>>1698866895%
>LC39A is nearly ready for starship launches>first florida launch is likely early next yeari didnt know they were so far along
>>16988225>tall Japanese womenI don't like it
>>16988678if by far along you mean suborbital.florida was eant to be ready last year, but they scrapped the pad because as well aoll know, OLM 1 was retarded. Didn't stop people here from professing it as the most genius launch pad in history until SpaceX built a flame trench.
>>16988637我祖国很强>>1698863615% is still enough to wreck anything that is sensitive to dust, you can't use it on PV cells or radiators, and you still need a complete and functional dust mitigation system anyway because a factor of 6 reduction doesn't move the needle and you're not getting even that because you can't treat your largest surfaces or those that might ever come in contact with anything
>>16988679Mars will not need your weakness.
>>16988687just keep applying the laser etching. 15% of 15% of 15% of 15% isn't much
>>16988636nice idea, but sounds fragileI keep thinking there must be some lessons we could learn from insects. They also have to keep their hard carapaces and limbs dust-free, and have evolved all sorts of grooming tricks.
>>16988704hilarious, john from wyoming.
>>16987705Even in your counterexample, you got cucked.
>>16988668What separates SpaceX is that they have better engineers than Boeing, ESA or Blue Origin, that's it. Musk did nothing
you know what thunderfoot reminds me of?nigel cheeseI wonder if thunderfoot has actual, uninorical schizophrenia or is it just a bit to get viewers from Musk hatersbecause the goalpost moving does get a bit insanehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l7ZpEr1TyXs
>>16988711pot calling the kettle black.
>>16988679that's not for you to decide, boy.
>>16988709except when spacex does anything wrong and then suddenly it's all elon musk all the time everything is him lol.you can't have it both ways.
>>16988716no, he's completely right and your response shows that you are a seething moron who is unironically trying to defend this creature on the internet without even getting paid for it.
>>16988720pot calling the kettle black.
>>16988724>c-catchphrase>catchphrase catchphrase>CATCHPHRASE CATCHPHRASE CATCHPHRASEzoomer-san, you have to use your words, not screech the same mantra, magic doesn't exist in the real world, your delusions will not come to life because you keep chanting verses.
>>16988725pot calling the kettle black.
>>16988726>>16988724>>16988716Based.>>16988711>>16988720>>16988725Retarded.
lets actually discuss spaceflight. What caused the off nominal flip of booster on IFT 12?
I'm so fucking tired of the same faggot spamming the general with low quality bait all dayPLEASE MODS, whatever SHITHOLE they're from, rangeban it from /sci/ for 3 months already
>>16988726>>16988724>>16988716completely mindbroken LMAO
>>16988749thrust was applied differently than planned from the starship raptors is my guess
>>16988749I don't know, why did the engines stutter like strobe lights? That didn't happen on previous flights.
>>16988750discussion of spaceflight is bait? wrong general buddy.
>>16988756this:>16988716>16988724>16988726is not discussion of spaceflight, this is psychosis.
>>16988766you sound hysterical desu.
>>16988749its likely that something didn't work properly
>>16988775i'm pretty sure the person who keeps chanting mindbroken mantra's like >16988716>16988724>16988726is hysterical, so no, i don't sound hysterical.
>>16988755In the slow-motion it looked a lot like after some engines failed to light the computer cycled through alternate thrust balances really quickly and then just gave up.
>>16988749must be an "interesting" job working on the fault analysis team at SpaceX>incomplete data>really short dev cycles>Elon breathing down your neckdo they go into much detail of the fault analysis in the books about early Falcon 1 and Falcon 9 development?
>>16988785i know the feeling
>>16988779you really arent beating the allegations.
>>16988749Seeing as slosh was the problem last time the booster had issues, it is probably the same case here. But yeah in general the rotation was waaay too aggressive
>>16988795>n-noi accept your concession>allegationsinsane people like you can make allegations, yes, but they are ignored because you are insane and not trustworthy, your words have about as much weight as the snot that leaves my nose when i'm dealing with spring allergies.
>>16988807dude please just walk away and take a day off if you have nothing to do but shit up this thread with low iq trolling
>>16988809>nonono i'm not insane for reciting a mantra pls pls stop making fun of meyou can keep trying to gaslight, it's just not working, you have deep-seated obsession and mental illness, you need to stop projecting that, take your lithium, and get a good night's sleep, the internet is too contradictory and information dense for your kind, you're better off not using it.
>>16988749>IFTTranny exposed
thunderfoot = fagElon Musk = about to be worth >1T
