It's just mushing together people who have social anxiety, people who are high intelligence and people who are empathy deficient together under a single umbrella. Consider the high IQ successful men in history who would clearly be characterised as autistic based on their writing today (e.g. Schopenhauer). Consider the huge overlap between spergs and children who are raised by bad parents who don't teach them anything / experience childhood betrayal or bullying, is it really a nature thing or is it a nurture thing?>Hyper fixation isn't a sign of powerful mental organs that have poorly focused by boomer parents, it's le SPERG>This generation is linked to being an autistic foreveralone soerg eve&doe it's in the genome of this Sintashta warchief Aryan God King buried in a kurgan from the Mid to Late Bronze Age lolAspergers is deflection for bad parenting change my mind
>>16988681>high iq>social anxiety>bullied as a kid>nothing about cognitive looping>nothing about need for pattern, structure and predictability in ones routine>nothing about monotropy (intense focus on one thing)>nothing about meltdowns / shutdowns after exposure to an unfamiliar environmentYou took the common outwardly symptoms of autism and decided to label any behavior that looks like that as "autistic", but that labeling doesn't capture anything about what autistic people actually feel and how it causes them to behave the way they do.
As an autist raising future autists of my own, I literally have no idea what I'm doing.
>>16988681>Asperger syndromeThis is no longer a proper medical phrase, no doctors use it or recognize it. You are simply "on the spectrum" more than a normie. There is only neurotypical and neurodivergent. Which makes no assumption on what is good or bad or right or wrong, it simply recognizes that "normal/typical" is just a phrase that means "the majority of cases". So most people are not "autistic" they are "neurotypical" and everyone else diverges from this typical expression of neurology. Just like what is normal or typical now won't be so in 100 years. Hundreds of years ago men and only men wore high heels. High heels were invented by men, for men. It was typical and accepted for men to wear fancy shoes with 3-5 inch heels, higher heels were a sign of status where no it's typical for females to wear high heels and the higher the heels the more of a slut they are. So these terms are nebulous and always moving. The new medical description of autism reflect this and the word "autism' itself is also outdated but most people still use the phrase. So what we used to call Asperger's Syndrome is more accuratly called "border line neurodivergent" or me personally I call them "Day Walkers" like the vampire Blade who can walk between two worlds, the night run by vampires and the day run by humans, and feel at home in either to some degree but fully accepted by none. So people like Musk, Bill Gates, and other famous autists are Such Day Walkers and they are able to "mask" their autism enough to pass as a normie but their autism crops up from time to time or more often, depending how far on the spectrum they are. "Autism" as a disorder is very cruel and prejudiced. Sure some highly neurodivergent children and adults are so divergent it makes integration into society problematic but they aren't as much "sick" as they are just different. Autism just means divergent from the norm.
>>16988735>So most people are not "autistic" they are "neurotypical"Should be:>So most people are not "autistic" they are "neurodivergent"apologies as it's hard to proofread 4chan posts in that tiny stupid window.
>>16988681there isn't a single intelligent point being made in this thread.the reality is that psychiatry/psychology as a profession established itself long before we had clear ideas on what parts of the brain do what and how that impacts behavior, and as a result diagnostic criterias and conditions don't really line up with the very physical causes of mental disorders, including autism/aspergers, which is the real problem here. btw, OP, nature/nurture are two sides of the same coin, no part of the brain (or body for that matter) is one or the other, it is a false dichotomy.
>>16988735>This is no longer a proper medical phrase, no doctors use it or recognize it.Because theyre not doctors, theyre charlatans who people like you think are smart and insightful when in reality theyre spouting nonsense nonstop.Hey, bud....is it "safe and effective"? Exactly. Not doctors, theyre activists and power hungry psychopaths.>uh...actushually they dont use psy-STOP...DSM is a charlatans guidebook for NPCs to gain power over others, its not a valid medical guideline for ACTUAL DOCTORS.This is why they hated Jordan Peterson, your "book" has been invalidated and proven to be corrupted.
>>16988681>>16988692>>16988696>>16988735>>16988738>>16988741>>16989351This thread is a Tistburger spectrum disorder, level 3 well into hard x-ray.
>>16988681>Asperger's isn't a real diagnosisHi, this is 2026, it's been 13 years since Asperger's syndrome stopped being a diagnosis.
>>16989369Hi, let's use "Autism Spectrum Disorder" instead. Feel comfortable having clinicians tell you that your mild social discomfort is medically the same as an epileptic mentally retarded case that can't handle toilets?On a side note; there's an autism epidemic and we know why.
>>16988735Assburgers is still recognized where I live but it's no better, a friend of mine like this got completely mindbroken and regressed mentally through high school because they would treat him like a toddler there and I shit you not the school had a fucking WALL LIST of the "special" students
>>16989535>mild social discomfort80% of Asperger's patients were unemployed and their life expectancy was 58 years even when it was a separate diagnosis from autism.
>>16988681Asperger's with a good childhood makes you just kinda quirky.Asperger's with a bad childhood leaves you deeply traumatized. The trauma is what gets you. And protip, if you ruminate a lot, replay social situations in your head, you are traumatized and basically have a social version of PTSD
You're all wrong. This is /sci/ not pseudo/sci/.The latest data has thrown out the idea of an autism spectrum and taken aspergers too with a concept that all are caused by the unifying trait of sensory processing sensitivity (SPS). This connects central sensitisation syndrome (fibromyalgia), ADHD, PTSD, chronic headaches and various other pain disorders to (SPS) >autistic people without a fibromyalgia/CSS diagnosis scored above the clinical cut-off for central sensitivity symptoms, and non-autistic people with fibromyalgia had significantly more autistic traits than controls>SPS is 'prevalent' in people with 'autism' and 'fibromyalgia'>CSS patients with PTSD test positive for autismThere is no autism but there is an underlining sensitivity that is physical, emotional and aesthetic at the same time, that is the SPS requirement. All of this has only been published in the last two years. This entire process has been made significantly more difficult because of masking by patients. There is now published data connecting the damaged mask of an SPS to BPD and an entire assortment of negative psychiatric disorders. The SPS mask is damaged during childhood and wears that damage. We also know that the SPS displays more empathy than those without, not less. The asperger's having no empathy is part myth and part masking.>The mechanistic candidate connecting these is central sensitization, maladaptive amplification in central pain and sensory pathways, with BDNF, glutamatergic signaling and neuroinflammation implicatedThis is further reinforced by published data on autistic drug resistance to anti irritability meds>The mechanism isn't fully pinned down but candidates include altered glutamatergic and GABAergic balance, atypical serotonergic and dopaminergic systemsStandardised doses against SPS do not work.
>>16990053There's recent "groundbreaking" research that a lot of traits thought to be inherent to autism are actually secondary, caused by trauma. This shit should've been obvious.In this day and age there's a lot of emphasis on blank slatism, an obsession to prove that all traits between people are environmental, but when autism is involved, it's suddenly the total opposite - everything just becomes caused by autism. Psychologists would dismiss trauma, depression, general bad treatment and just insist that everything is autism.
Moving forward autism and SPS researchers are finally separating the sexes.>autistic women are at elevated risk of BPD misdiagnosis specifically because of masking, with the female autism phenotype being "particularly prone to miscategorization as BPD".>a phenomenological study interviewing 10 autistic adults previously diagnosed with BPD found all of them recalled autistic differences from childhood that went unnoticed, and most felt BPD was a misdiagnosis. >Critically they found that the treatments they had to try for borderline personality disorder promoted maskingThe mask is always learned from the surrounding environment in childhood. And likely before age 10.>A 2024 systematic review describes camouflaging as compensation, masking, and assimilation behaviors, explicitly social, learned strategies for blending in.>A Frontiers in Psychiatry review found camouflaging is "more common among females who report more autistic symptoms" and is modeled on neurotypical social templatesMy people are getting one shot by neurotypicals into a damaged mask. The 'Linehan' biosocial model of BPD to autism that explicitly posits neurotypicals are damaging autists into psychiatric conditions. Under this model the better the mask the more emotionally damaged (ED) the person is. This has been replicated cross culturally in Japan and physical neglect is the strongest predictor of autistic (SPS) BPD masking. This is reinforced by the identity disruption to BPD study 2026.>A 2025 study (806 autistic adults) found cognitive flexibility mediates the relationship between camouflaging, perceived stress, and anxiety/depression.If the SPS cannot flex their mask to the environment, instead being locked into it, the individual breaks.SPS does not explain even the majority of PTSD/BPD/ED etc cases this is specific to autism/CSS (SPS). We have biomarkers for SPS. Differences in prefrontal cortex connectopathy, basal sympathetic functioning, CNS, PNS, SHANK3, etc.
>>16990151Doctors who tell the parents of a child that they are partially responsible for traumatizing that child don't keep those patients very long. The parents just shop around until they find someone who tells them their child is intrinsically fucked up for reasons beyond our current understand of science and they are actually the real victims who have to carry this burden of a problematic child.
>>16990185Schools not parents are the most implicated, parents are there but it's neurotypicals in school doing it before age 10.
>>16990194They are responsible sometimes but I agree, I wrote about it >>16989604 but I heard this shit is even worse in the US, where they have shit like the shadow teacher program where an autist is followed around by a caretaker watching every one of their moves while talking down to them like you would to a 5 year old. You're taking someone who already has trouble making friends and one-shotting their social life with methods reminiscent of agents in communist Czechoslovakia or East Germany.
>>16990194Yes that is a big factor as well. It's another uncomfortable conversation that no one wants to have. But there are a lot of grumpy nihilistic teachers in schools who scapegoat and subtly encourage bully on particular students. And we all just pretend to look the other way.
>>16990197>>16990198What really makes me uncomfortable is that the rate of this disorder whatever it actually is does not seem to be going up. These people always existed and up until 30-50 years ago were essentially enslaved by peer pressure. The current rates for death, assault, rape and murder towards autistics is enormous. We were being killed enmass before the records began I have no doubt about it.
>>16990202Considering you're demons wearing a human skin and incapable of cooperation or compromise, killing you is reasonable.Nasty, greedy, unpleasant creatures pretending to be misunderstood.
>>16990266Yes the guy being nasty.
