Prove the existence of Love. >You can't. Prove that Transgenderism exists. >You can'tAs a Scientists, you must admit that you don't know everything, and you don't understand consciousness or identity.
>>16988945>Prove the existence of Love.Oxytocin and vasopressin exist.
>>16988945>Prove the existence of LoveYour here making this stupid argument, some poor fool made love to your mother.>Prove that TransgenderismOP is always a faggot
>>16988946So, you define love as a drug. Then, meth is love to you. >FAIL You transphobes can't make an argument to save your lives.You will end up redefining reality just to be transphobic.
>>16988950A mother joke that you can't even spell correctly. >Classy
>>16989013>meth is loveMeth doesn't regulate oxytocin and vasopressin but yes love is a physical object made of atoms.
>>16989016If someone is drugged with meth, they release oxytocin and vasopressin in association with their victimizer. That is obviously not love, but it meets your definition. Therefore, you're wrong.
>>16989016Pointing to real neurochemistry, commits a reductionist error.
>FYILove has cognitive, emotional, and volitional layers that survive the "it's just atoms" move, the same way hunger is not reducible to ghrelin without losing the lived experience of wanting food.Ghrelin is a 28-amino-acid peptide hormone, commonly called the "hunger hormone," that is primarily produced by ghrelin cells (P/D1 cells) in the fundus of the stomach and, to a lesser extent, in the small intestine, pancreas, and brain; it acts as a key orexigenic signal that stimulates appetite, promotes food intake, triggers growth hormone release from the pituitary, and helps regulate energy balance, glucose metabolism, and reward pathways.
>>16989026>cognitive, emotional, and volitional layersHow is this different from Eros (passion), Philia (friendship), and Agape (unconditional love)Have you conflated love and confused it with expressions of love?
>>16989021>If someone is drugged with meth, they release oxytocin and vasopressinNo. Methamphetamine is a dopamine and norepinephrine release agent. Those are monoamines, not neuropeptides.
>>16989026>Love has cognitive, emotional, and volitional layersCognition, emotion and volition are all physical objects made of atoms.
>>16989056Amateur... you're mistaken. The Dopamine and Norepinephrine makes people vulnerable to delusions of love, which then triggers "love". >>16989058Data is made up of physical atoms, but Data or Identity is metaphysical. "Physical" is energy and negative potential energy pressure interacting. "Data" is the conceptualization. If you want to say that everything is physical and anti-physical vacuums, then Transgenderism literally exists, because Identity is physical by your own definition. You feel, therefore you're not physical. >Atoms feel and think according to your childish reductionist model.
>>16989034No, I'm talking about the lack of proof that love exists.
>>16989136>The Dopamine and Norepinephrine makes people vulnerable to delusions of love, which then triggers "love".Actually methamphetamine can suppress oxytocin and social bonding (this is why tweakers can end up punding in solitude avoiding people). In order to have "delusions" with meth, you'd need to be in a state of drug induced psychosis, and a delusion is a belief, not an emotional state, so much that it can even be incongruent with your mood.>Data is made up of physical atoms, but Data or Identity is metaphysical.What does this mean in practice? That you can model it as something other than atoms? Fine, but that's not the substance that comprises it.>Transgenderism literally existsYes, why wouldn't it? I can observe transgender people in the world. If you're talking about whether or not their trans identity is "valid", then that's just arguing over value judgments, not whether or not a person whose sense of identity is incongruent with their birth sex literally exists or not.>You feel, therefore you're not physical. Feeling things is a physical act.>Atoms feel and thinkPretty much yep. Probably not individually, but they can produce thoughts through certain combinations and interactions. Just like you can look at a complex picture on your monitor even though it's all just RGB subpixels when zoomed in. Complexity arises from simplicity.
love is a drug. everything is drugs.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FgxacX72snA&pp=0gcJCQ0LAYcqIYzv&ra=m
>>16989164Surely the wealth of literature would suffice for it's essence within metaphysics.Perhaps we have a Mary's room thought experiment problem here, where you lack having experiencing love dispite knowing all about it.
>>16989176How well can you control your own chemistry tho? Do you not know alchemy of the soul, the transfer of faith along with it's consummation of the covenant.Prehaps I expected too much from women.
>>16989203You don't control your chemistry, except at a gross level (eg, I'm going to drink some alcohol to temporarily feel happier). You're the product of chemistry and physics, choosing not to follow either is not a choice you can make. Eg, if you get shot with a tranq, you're going to have a nap, whether you want to or not. Run out of oxygen, and your death is not contingent on your desire to follow or avoid chemistry.
>>16989228>You're the product of chemistry and physics, choosing not to follow either is not a choice you can make.Oh I don't think that's true, what about pavlov's dog? The placebo effect could be said to be empirical proof of magic...I could bore you with an explanation about the use of icons & idols as a way to dream about what you want, so you are able to go out and find them/you (finding yourself within another).My heart grew lonely & empty, a became jaded so idols filled that hole until I can find a woman i can cram in that hole instead! Who i also hope has a hole that needs filling...Probably better you don't feel lonely, desu, not the preferred outcome.
>>16989269>The placebo effect could be said to be empirical proof of magicThe placebo effect does not do anything magical. It makes people feel a little better subjectively, which can influence the HPA axis, reduce anxiety and heart rate, shift the body into a rest and digest state (rather than fight or flight) etc. It cannot literally replace treatment for anything that the body cannot fix on its own, and the whole point of placebo-controlled trials is to measure whether the treatment does anything more than those changes that can be had by improving the patient's mental state.
>>16989342>feel a little better subjectively>feel a little better>feel>influence the HPA axisyou were saying you can't influence your physical state?>improving the patient's mental stateIsn't that what it's all about at the end of the day, love?Put underneath your scaple kills any resemblance of love.
>>16989357>you were saying you can't influence your physical state?No? The mind is a physical object, no reason it can't influence other physical objects. What it can't do is magic.
>>16988945https://youtu.be/Lt-EbHhHD5Q?si=ZY952OTNpfo9vaeRhttps://kafkafuura.wordpress.com/2013/04/12/love/
>>16988945Get off the internet and engage with real people, and it will become abundantly obvious to you that both of these things exists.There's possibly discussions to be had about subjectivism and objectivism, but you are making nowhere near nuanced enough of an argument to really engage here.
>>16989367>What it can't do is magic.But the object that caused the physical mind change was an illusion - things that are not real having a real application in life.It's a matter of perspective, by changing it i am able to be more receptive towards others, and inevitably make a fool of myself in what one hopes to be in a favorable way for sanity reasons.
>>16989183Therefore, transgender literature is sufficient evidence.
>>16989396>But the object that caused the physical mind change was an illusion - things that are not real having a real application in life.Pixels on the screen that you're reading right now are physical, the meaning of their alignment is of a different nature.
>>16989418>Therefore, transgender literature is sufficient evidenceIn the realms of metaphysics yes, but why would you seek such radical revelations? Just to prove they exist?
>>16989426>Pixels on the screen that you're reading right now are physicalIt's a pale compassion from touching somebody>the meaning of their alignment is of a different nature.A nature different from the ones I crave anyway, but i can dream.We could invent our whole past & future together but while its nature remains unchange it remains it's but another idol, showing me what i want, but no way to get it.
>>16989435Our consciousness can exist in an imaginary place that can't physically exist, like World of Warcraft, illusion and Art. One day, we will be able to synthesize all senses digitally, and our consciousness can leave behind the limitations of the physical world. >In a world of illusion and feelings, anything is possible. At that point, we will likely be able to create actual consciousness within a simulation. If you do not have free will, then you are going to do whatever it is that you're going to do, regardless of this conversation. >Refuting free will is an instant self-moot-ification.
>>16989428In politics, transgenders are an extreme minority, so the only possible path forward for the transgender community is Scientific proof, which will then be applied by law, not democracy.
For your information:"Transgenderism" is a loaded term that bundles several distinct claims, so precision matters. Gender dysphoria—the clinically significant distress or incongruence between one's experienced sense of self and biological sex, is a real, documented phenomenon with a history in psychiatry (earlier "gender identity disorder," now refined in DSM-5 and ICD-11). People report it; some seek medical transition; clinics exist; desistance, persistence, and comorbidity data have been studied for decades. In that narrow descriptive sense, the subjective experience exists and is not fabricated.Biological sex is not contingent on feelings or self-report. In humans it is binary and defined by anisogamy: the reproductive division into small-gamete (male) and large-gamete (female) pathways, organized by genetics (primarily XX/XY and SRY) and developmental cascades. No hormone regimen or surgery alters this. Transition changes secondary sex characteristics and can alleviate dysphoria for some adults in the short-to-medium term, but it does not create functional opposite-sex reproductive anatomy or change the underlying biology relevant to medicine, sports, or single-sex spaces. Brain-sex studies show average group differences with massive overlap; they do not demonstrate that anyone is "born in the wrong body" in a literal, testable sense, and post-transition hormone effects complicate interpretation. The sharp rise in adolescent-onset cases, especially among natal females, and high rates of co-occurring autism, trauma, and mental-health conditions invite multifactorial explanations rather than a simple innate "trans brain" story.
>>16989445>limitations of the physical world.I wouldn't call them limitations>we will be able to synthesize all senses digitally, and our consciousnessBut that's no longer us, our cells have lives of their own.>If you do not have free will, then you are going to do whatever it is that you're going to do, regardless of this conversationAre we even living then? To be alive is to live, life without living is death. The computer is alive, yes, but it is not living so subsequently it is dead!We should not abandoned reality and love in one another.
>>16989446Baby eating also has a spot in metaphysics, doesn't make it right to chop off another person's Penis or expose kids to such radical ideology.The books are found by the golden ones, what "right" don't you currently have the "right" to do under human "rights".
>>16989446>path forward for the transgender communityPhilosophically speaking why do you wish to genders to proveal over sex when the "im jesus" route is available.I should be able to marry a tree and say im a helicopter but im not impeding on any binary rights. We don't need more rights.
Where in a palace you might have hundreds, having "genders" might be useful for social cohesion, as an individual such concepts are damningly narrow minded.
>>16988945>Prove that Transgenderism existsOkay. Gender is a bimodal distribution system. This means that while human traits and identities are diverse and exist on a continuous spectrum, the vast majority of the population naturally clusters around two primary peaks or centers: masculine and feminine.
>>16989486There are many different layers of perception. If you look at the composition of DNA, protein sequences and organs are gender neutral. To strictly look at a more macroscopic point of view, just to restrict a bimodal understanding, is a grotesque mischaracterization. There are bimodal creatures who do gender swap, they have the same DNA ancestors. Obviously, you have the mentality of an 1800s scientist when the patent offices were closing down, with claims that everything was already invented.Clearly, Humanity is about to revolutionize our understanding of everything, and you're going to be left in the fucking dust, poor and confused.
>>16989842>Clearly, Humanity is about to revolutionize our understanding of everythingTo what end, what are you trying to achieve.Information without a practical application is useless.The fundermental dialectic between sex is a paradigm at play within all the genders while it's relevance varies it doesn change like a behavioural pattern can from revelations.Trying to supercede the sexual paradigm with one of genders is counterproductive towards the reason we have sex.Why do you hate sex? Because you can't/won't have it or something?
>>16990030Literally, even myself without a formal laboratory can alter your DNA and MRNA with naturally collected specimen and odorless gas.Slowly, we can replace the White Blood cells, Tissues, and DNA to express what ever the fuck we want. You're just too closed minded to consider how the world will be in 10-20 years.
>>16990223https://youtube.com/shorts/83KSHJaZJ3k?si=3CHuGchSzzc5mUSOOh the irony, the future is now you delusional nut case, you're paving the path to a route that goes nowhere.
>>16988945You are at same time using the thing and asking for proof of its existance....Love exists, the question is not wether it does or not exists, the question is what kind of being is it.
>>16990255>the question is what kind of being is it.A conceptual love, an amalgamation of Eros & Agape.Trans is starting to take form as a cult.
>>16990271Perhaps. Albeit that is sidepoint. My point was to show to anom that he paradoxicaly makes his questions meaningless if he asks for proof of very thimg he uses to ask for one.But that is nothing new for people who are not aware of reification fallacy.
>>16990276Even tho they do exsist, without experience or belief, they might not.
>>16990255>love existssource?Agape, Philia, Eros, sure, these are all readily identifiable. But "love" ? Nah.In the same way, body dysmorphia, autogynephilia, mental illness, sure. But "trans" ? Nah.
>>16990333My dear Anon, you are using "Love" in your sentance as a concept. It clearly exist. The question wether it relates to something in the world is not question of existance...Saying it does not exist while using it in same time is contradiction. How can you use something that does not exist?
>>16990333>In the same way, body dysmorphia, autogynephilia, mental illness, sure. But "trans" ? Nah.With in the male & female paradigm, trans seems like a psyop from feminism, the male manifestation of feminism no less.If it's to be challenged with dignity it must be treated like a cult in terms of regulating, the study of trans should be conflated with studies of the occult.
>>16990271>trans is starting to take form as a cult.Then why can't transgenderism be valid in the form of a cult? Literally most "healthy" humans on earth are a part of a cult. >>16990276The end goal is the expansion of free agency to practically limitless potential. >Then every individual gives their own life meaning. What? You want to be a limited slave to a feudal collective system stuck in your monkey form? >Or, do you want to be free to choose anything anywhere?
>>16990339You literally will sabotage your entire existence before admitting that transgender ideology is valid and even proven. There are more witnesses of transgender validation than there were of Christ's magic powers.
>>16990356>ideology is valid and even proven.Its proven invalid, a breach that bears no fruit and threats to interfere with the blossoming of other fruit. Trans is a cult and such beliefs shouldn't enjoy the same liberty of other foundation beliefs because its an emergent belief.At some point your only defence in the ideology is the "i am jesus" defence because your crazy.
>>16990353One can be limited by hyper insividualism as much as hyper collectivism.For both tell you how to live your life and push you to extremes away from the middle. Truth is reallity is too broad for us too put it into tight frames built on basis of our ignorance and egos.
>>16990379>One can be limited by hyper insividualism as much as hyper collectivismI don't think that's strictly true, how do you stop a cult of 1 from congregating?
>>16990378Look in a mirror, your rant was unhinged. >>16990379Ballance fallacy, people just tend to randomly agree with balance between extremes, but that's a complete arborary statement, for example, we need the perfect balance. Teamwork and healthy authority isn't collectivism, and rugged individualism is 100% possible with AI assistance and automated labor. A hive mind is not comprised of individuals; it's comprised of partial sentience that collaborates. What you said would be popular within the spectrum of above average to mid wits. >>16990399A cult of one is just Schizophrenia, a cult of many is organized religion.
>>16990483>your rant was unhingedGame knows game, you're off your hinges.>A cult of one is just SchizophreniaIt can be a phenomenon that goes onto be a movement, bright ideas spread like wild fire, cutting your knob off aint one of them, I don't know why anyone would celebrate that.
>>16990490lol, if someone cut off your nob, you would become an hero. If someone cuts mine off, I become very happy. >You and I are not the same.
>>16990540You want a gash to get sand stuck in?Have you pissed on your trousers when you've sat on the bog to go and thought this would solve that? Are you some Olympic swimmer trying to be more aerodynamic? Or some sought of wolf who wants to pull out his fangs and do what ever he wants...It's not mere deviance, their is a sinister agenda at work and such acts you see as progressing it.
>>16988945Disprove the existence of love.
>>16990483>Ballance fallacyNo fallacy there. Just common sense. >What you said would be popular within the spectrum of above average to mid wits.Yet i am surrounded my whole life by likea of you. World must be full of gifted people.
>>16990620>Just common senseAppeal to popularity.
>>16990631For you, stating that you breathe is appeal to popularity.
