This is it, this is all I want for the 21st century, I want value to be solved, our redemption is directly tied to technology. As the window grows smaller our last ditch effort relies and how quickly we can explode with a throuline just in time to reach escape velocity., I think that bet exists in a much brighter calculation than most people realize, funny how its the systems that have been with us the longest still continue to haunt us as ghosts, as if feudalism wasn't a choice but a fate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fx7qJGItNng
>>16989047I think the country that bans AI first will be the nicest country to live in paradoxically.Sort of like an amish effect.You'll always have a traditional labour job available, art would be human-made, writing, science. Understanding.I don't think any country will ban it though, because humans will be a net negative for capital. Which is an extension of human greed ultimately.
>>16990925No you won't.They will kill all of us once AI is good enough to replace every single job on this planet.
Only if the means of productions are socialized. If AI is owned by capitalist that means you are less than a animal.
>>16990925We've been a world that has "banned AI" for the last million years. There is endless suffering, eternal wage slavery, every toils and trade their entire life/body/time to just sustain themselves with immense suffering/fear/anxiety/despair bourne from this very act. Everyone wants to be free of labor, thats why our society has always transitioned to automating more and more so that we work less and less, while reaping more and more benefits. AI is thus a natural course for human development, if we want to pursue happiness and prosperity of humanity for the future.
Margin price collapse on manufactured products.Even a low income laborer can afford a robot in 3-5 years maximum. That and they will be forced to do UBI to maintain consumption rates.The corporations respond with products as a service model as its the only way to beat the margin price collapse.Note that ai used to cost $$$ and now its free? Training costs, expensive upfront, then pennies for inference, high end chips get resold.Right now, a $6000 desktop AI PC, can do compute better than a data center that cost $200,000 in 2020.
>>16991070The 4nm node is nearly commodity grade hardware. 4nm node is sufficient to do general purpose production/construction with some human oversight.
>>16991047Step out of your office for a second. Believe it or not, the majority of people 25+ WANT to work and labor. It's considered by most a natural way of life, some loathe it because of greed. You're utopian notions of how great the current system is are how you got completely fucked over in 2008.Society didnt collectively choose the automation of every single thing we do, that is the work of greedy elites playing their greedy games for entertainment purposes. We made a wheel and we tilled the fields, travelled further, traded goods etc. But some bright spark figured out that if they make everything faster, their already deep pockets will fill up faster too.This is the self-inflicted obsolecence of a species, not an efficiency buff.
>>16991047>Everyone wants to be free of labor,This just straight up not true. The other anon is right in that people want to work, most people rot without labour or end as those people who die shortly after retiring. Labour was seen as a vital part of life in history and layabouts have been looked down upon; even as recently as with hippies and beatniks. People want to feel like they're doing something meaningful or necessary and labour provides them that. If AI takes all the jobs you'll just end up with hordes of unemployed plebs and proletariat who will shit up their country because they literally have nothing better to do, they're not all going to transform into gentle fags aspiring to be artists or whatever.
>>16991113No one's stopping you from voluntarily working 100 hours a week. You're free to work.Its just the value itself will be provided by tools that we humans have invented to get more value from our mind. Whether its using bows and spears to kill animals. Tillers or hoes to speed up soil preparation for farming. Or horses and cars and airplanes to get maximum value out of our selves. Or programing code to automate workflows. Or utilizing ai to automate or workflows. You are even fucking using a computer instead of manually writing your thoughts into hand signs and vocal noises to deliver what your mind has thought of in response. Get the fuck out of here.
Saying "Everyone wants to be free of labor" is very different from saying "People don't enjoy being exploited". The latter COULD be fixed, but I must admit to my own idealism in thinking it possible to remedy the root causes of exploitation (it's not JUST greed).In any case, unless im talking to a billionaire right now, I don't know why you'd expect to end up anywhere but in the dirt with the rest of us plebs. AI will race against other AI to extract the resources of the Earth for the elite dream of infinite growth. They do not and will not give a shit about you. We'll simply continue to hang from the bubble until it completely implodes. See how you feel about labor then.For the heaven you seem to think AI is about to bring on Earth, something major has to change first. Its not feasible to place billions on UBI without either a reduction in our quality of life (bye bye PC), reduction in the population itself (how convenient it is that people have stopped fucking, maybe its fate like you said) or without some external source for new resources.As a side note, you have to realise the distinction between agricultural, industrial and digital technological advancement. Agricultural spurred population growth, Industrial even more so. But digital doesn't have that same effect, worse it conicides with a worldwide population tapering - it wasn't necessary for survival, just efficiency. When I was growing up, there weren't any live fish around but at least we had frozen fish fingers instead. What the fuck did modern computing and networking replace? Space around the office? The mailing service? Human intellect?
>>16991136Wait that last bit was completely retarded LMAO. But digital is fucking up the population.
>>16991136>UBIThat's the plan of capitalists. Workers have political leverage thanks to their work. When people go full on UBI their political capital will collapse to zero. Any capitalist will do whatever he want and people will be crush will no one giving a fuck
>>16991070isn't it that the entire economy is based around human?it all stems from being flesh, machine economy will be very different
>>16991136People arent being exploited when they work on the field for 10 hours a day everyday to grow for their own food and sell extras to make a living. The notion of "exploitation" is just a marxist way of framing everything as oppressed/oppressor dynamic. The social contracts are all voluntary transactions.
>>16991149Since the founding of democracy, political leverage was only held by those that held capital/land. Its only in recent times that we divorced land/money from politics. And instead we're giving political leverage to anyone who pays taxes. And even more recently, in some communist states, the gov wants to give foreigners political powers
>>16991237>work on the field for 10 hours a day everyday Think running a small farm vs being whipped to go faster, that's where the exploitation is. Its not exactly slavery, but somehow the expectation at the top constantly expands while resources below keep thinning. Thats modern work for MOST people.As I said, its my idealism. If we all go kumbaya over here, thems on the other side might take advantage.>>16991238>instead we're giving political leverage to anyone who pays taxes. Gee, you think they did that out of the kindness of their hearts or for other reasons. You think they wanna lower the voting age because teenagers nowadays have some profound outlook on the trajectory of society as a whole as well?
>>16991047AI generated post. None of this is remotely trueWithout labor people go mad nigga
>>16991120The world you dream of doesn't require you, or most of the human population. So just go and eliminate yourself
>>16989047Name 1 (ONE!) reason why the people who own and operate the infrastructure you depend on would keep you around once they can automate your labor and no longer need you.
>>16989047>as if feudalism wasn't a choice but a fate.Describe an alternative
>>16991383OP literally can't, but I can: """people who give orders""" have minecraft nicknames and minecraft bases and family members who play minecraft. Nothing about the mechanics of minecraft says you have to follow their orders. Griefing is a perfectly legitimate part of the game.
>>16991384>says you have to follow their ordersYou can join them and give orders, yet the structure remains of order givers and order takers.
>>16991389Your handlers are subhuman and you're even below that. The Niggercattle Question has no moral component.
>>16991395They give me orders which i follow. Its a simple system.
>>16991398Doesn't matter. The alternative to their system is obvious and I've described it.
>>16991399What alternative, change of management? Old manager bad, new manager good?
>>16991451See >>16991384, retarded human cattle. I know you're having a hard time absorbing it, since you can't reason in any terms except servicing some parasite's crusty asshole, but at least make an effort for if you're gonna (You) me again.
>>16991465Refusing to follow orders is not an option.
