New Glenn Flight 4 - editionprevious >>16987658
It was ULA
Cancel Starship.
Even Berger is worried. Just how bad is this for Artemis?
Does Elon have an alibi?
For once CSS is right. SpaeX and BO have been talent poaching from collapsing ULA. BO may have got the CEO, but SpaceX got the ULA sniper.
Lets pray for a thread with no meltys
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060394161488945339>United Launch Alliance has initiated the countdown for today's launch of the Atlas V rocket to deploy 29 advanced broadband satellites into space for Amazon Leo. Our launch opportunity opens at 7:33:30 p.m. EDT (2333:30 UTC) for liftoff from Cape Canaveral Space Force Station in Florida. The launch countdown is a tightly scripted sequence of procedures and steps over the next seven hours that will complete pre-launch testing, fill the rocket with propellants and put systems into flight mode. Our live status blog begins at 4:30 p.m. EDT (2030 UTC) prior to the start of fueling operations and the livestream starts 20 minutes before launch.
>>16990174>Flight 4 EditionMaybe should have led off with it being delayed indefinitely.
>>16990182doesnt need one. proof of someone gaining from a situation is not the same as proof they caused it to happen.
>>16990210sounds like something an ex ULA sniper would say
https://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2060407487962984802
>>16990213Ironic that one of the most land rich countries suffers from this. Just evict some people.
>>16990213what are the odds?
>>16990216they never told me
>>16990213Move slow and break things that weren't even being tested at the time.
https://x.com/CNSpaceflight/status/2060381059750240595>Shenzhou-21 back home
>>16990222are you talking about spacex or BO? Could apply to either
>>16990213well it's gonna be repaired and waiting a long time before they can launch again so I guess it's fine lmao
>>16990227BO has a policy of specifically not doing moving as fast as possible and barely testing and SpaceX has the opposite
>>16990186mmmm....elon's soft, shitty body
>>16990213>>Eric Berger>@SciGuySpace>This information appears to be false.It was revealed to him in a dreamhttps://x.com/SciGuySpace/status/2060424010316304800
>>16990232doing was left in when I rephrased, kinda awkward whoops
>>16990235Happens to the best of us.
>>16990232>SpaceX has the oppositeis that why they spent half a year twiddling their thumbs?
>>16989758>for about a year he was hinting at the true number of tanker flights to refuel HLSHe was lying and using his 'insider' status in order to make it sound credible.
>>16990237if you don't know why they spent half a year without launching you are a retard.
>>16990237they didn't? Starship development has been going full tilt across multiple locations for years straight. you do understand that there is infrastructure buildout and vehicle construction/testing going on even when there aren't launches, right?
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000spdd/executiveexplosion registered as 2.5 in magnitude
>>16990239>lying by stating the true figure
>>16990240oh but I do know. Mine was very clearly a rhetorical question, sperg-kun.
>>16990245we don't know the figure yet
>>16990237SpaceX has had spectacularly high cadence compared to anything else. Stop shilling for SLS, you are humiliating yourself and need to get your head checked.
>>16989806>And then there is a load of other stuff. If you follow what Spaceguy5 puts out when he's not talking to mylittlepony creators or having a meltdown he gives insights into stuff like how far along the design of the HLS vehicle is.He banned me from that Artemis discord because he claimed Elon only thought up 9 engine Starship after Flight 1 and I responded with Elon tweeting about 9 engine Starship a year before Flight 1.
>>16990245>the true figure
aaaaaaand we have our first melty of the thread: >>16990248nobody even mentioned sls you whiny little babytake your lithium
New Glenn is hardware poor
>>16990254But nigger rich
5 hr to atlas V launch
>>16990254they're gonna need a lot of concrete so it's actually hardware pour
>>16990021They always post this page and not the one from the same document on when SLS was supposed to launch.
>>16990262>>16990246>>16990251can you guys actually stick to arguing about facts and trends and shit for five minutesstop pretending to have ovaries
>>16990265it's one guy derailing honest discsussion by playing pretend-retarded. Such as: >>16990268
https://spacenews.com/space-force-awards-spacex-4-16-billion-to-build-satellite-network-for-airborne-target-tracking/https://www.ssc.spaceforce.mil/Newsroom/Article-Display/Article/4500761/us-space-force-advances-space-data-network-backbone-for-global-warfighter-conneSpaceX has won more than $6 billion in constellation contracts.
>>16990272>honest discsussion[sic]why don't you discsuss some grammar, my ESL friend?
>>16990274starship will increase that number even further.
>>16990274SpaceX builds easily the most satellites, so they are probably pretty cheap compared to the competitionbut didn't the US military have some thing where they try to spread the contracts around regardless of price or performanceperhaps they have changed the contracting rules
>>16990275Why don't you get your head split open by a discus so we might have some peace.
>>16990278You are thinking of NSSL contracts not procurement in general.
>>16990275>y-your g-grammarreminder, when the day is done, you will have gained literally nothing from being a prretend retard and "baiting" goodnatured, honest folx
>>16990281i was under the impression that was what was happening generally as well with the primes perhaps not as a rule but through lobbying
>>169902746 billy is nothing anymore
>>16990174Is SpaceX going to get offered piles of money to bump up Falcon Heavy production/cadence in order to salvage the lunar program?
>>16990174So hyped about this flight! When is it happening?
>>16990292just did, you missed it bro
>>16990292last night
So I don't get it. Was the upper stage on the booster at the time or not?
>>16990299yes. you can tell by how high the rocket looks compared to the TE.
>>16990293
Another $4.16 billion to SpaceX
>>16990310very based
>>16990299This is what exploded.
>>16990186the pretend-retard can't help himself, he sperged out because people didn't agree with his fantasy version of events regarding the amount of HLS refuelings, and tried to "punish" the thread again, very embarrassing.
>>16990299Yes a NGS2 was on top of the booster, but the payload (Amazon sats) and the fairing had not been integrated yet.
>>16990186what the fuck is that
>>16990246everyone is making fun of you, bud, not one person.btw, the reason this mindbroken guy calls everyone some variation of "kun" now is because i used it on him once during one of his earlier spergouts a few months ago, yes, he's that fragile and petty, he thinks everyone who notices his behaviour is one person.genuinely, the insane asylums need to be opened up again, there's way too many people like this guy who clearly can't navigate the internet responsibly without going completely insane.
>>16990284>pretend retard talks to himself and passive-aggressively quotes something i said in previous threadlike i said, behaving like this should be an instant permaban, this guy clearly isn't conscious.
>>16990274IPO is reaching $2 trillion ez
any BO insiders itt?
>>16990330she's got BO, I'm not going inside her
>>16990322>pretend retard talks to himself and passive-aggressively quotes something i said in previous threadwhat the fuck are you even talking about?this is exactly what i'm talking about every time you do this. you invent some bizarre narrative in your head, convince yourself it's real, and then start arguing against it as if everyone else can see the hallucination too.nobody is copying you, man. you're not the main character of /sfg/.
>>16990318Elon's final form
>>16990332hey faggot>>16990284>>16990015you're genuinely too retarded to understand that people can read the previous thread, aren't you?because you're so scared of direct confrontation, you keep playing this game of samefagging musical chairs where every single time you have a meltdown that was>someone elseand actually I'M insane for noticing that passive-aggressive copy of someone my own post. not you for, you know, making it.again, forums were not invented for people like you, you're not capable of using them responsibly.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nEIndpBgYQ
>>16990330>tfw i know people that work there>tfw i never talk to them
>>16990265followup: they did not stop pretending to have ovariesthere is a multithread schizophrenic rageout going on and none of the people involved have said anything about space in hours. at this point I'd even take the proont vs anti proont debates we used to have for weeks at a time
>>16990341oh, most of the people attempted to talk about spaceflight, there's one guy that insists on turning everything into a "bait" war and that's this guy: >>16989806people went against his perfect fantasy reality ONE time and he instantly started having a passive-aggressive multi-thread meltdown, he's the sole person sperging out.btw reminder that this baittard guy directly threatened he would aggressively spam /sfg/ for weeks as "punishment" for ignoring his AIslop thread, and then got jannied after one day of doing it LMAO, he's genuinely a fucking loser who finds power in ruining discussion in a small, slow general because he has zero power in real life, much like a redditor.
https://x.com/charlesboyer/status/2060424971810144286>@FAANews "The FAA issued the Final Environmental Assessment for the SpaceX Starfall reentry vehicle. The review evaluated the environmental impacts of reentry, splashdown, and recovery activities. Under the proposal, SpaceX would launch two Starfall missions to Low Earth Orbit or to a sub-orbital trajectory as a payload on the Falcon 9 or the Starship-Super Heavy launch vehicles. The capsules would splashdown in the Pacific Ocean off the U.S. west coast in international waters. The completion of the environmental review process does not guarantee the FAA will issue a Starfall reentry license. The SpaceX application must also meet safety, risk and financial responsibility requirements before a license can be issued."
>>16990337>you're so scared of direct confrontationnobody is scared of "direct confrontation", man. snap back into reality, we are on a very slow general on the anonymous image board 4chan.If this is you being earnest please seek help from someone you trust, anon. You sound like you are manic.
>>16990343>>16990344neat, a new revenue stream
>>16990343this is downstream of a technology that is downstream of... etc. so not exactly urgent
>>16990345>we are on a very slow generaland that's probably why your strategies aren't working the way you expect them to on a faster board, see >>16990342people can recognize your writing style and watched you schizo out throughout the thread, it's not hidden or slid into the archive on a board this slow. you're going out of your way to try and gaslight anyone who noticed because you're on some level embarrassed of your own actions, which i guess is better than not feeling anything at all.next time just don't sperg out.
>>16990349https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060469858324660321>Good afternoon from Atlas V launch control at Cape Canaveral where fueling is underway with cryogenic propellants for today's Amazon Leo 7 launch carrying 29 advanced broadband spacecraft. Atlas and Centaur propulsion console operators are performing the steps to command the pad systems to begin flowing 66,000 gallons of liquid oxygen and liquid hydrogen in the rocket over the next 90 minutes. We are on schedule to launch the Atlas V 551 rocket at 7:33:30 p.m. EDT (2333:30 UTC). The weather forecast remains 30 percent favorable.
>>16990348anon I haven't been on this thread all day.Funny you say that people can regognize writing style, because yours is actually so stark for the absolute melt down you are having with every post. Are you trolling, or no? I would respect the hustle if you are.
>>16990351That 30% might be a good thing. If this follows the same track as the last one there could be a chance for it to be visible for East Coast. The current cloud forecast might have some objections to that.
>>16990186this is god, prayer not received
>>16990343>>16990344whats the point of this?
rockets? who cares about rockets
>>16990348>>16990345>>16990337>>16990332>>16990322>>16990284>>16990275Same retard talking to himself.
>>16990352>i-i'm gonna c-continue gaslightingyeah, it's not working, people can read the thread LMAO.
>>16990315why did they make it so ugly
>>16990361take it easy there sport.the only guy melting down is the guy who, in the previous thread, started acting like a passive aggressive version of what he thinks people who disagreed with him on the depot thing sound like:>>16989806 this guyhe someone disagreed with him, and he immediately started acting like a passive-aggressive toddler for the rest of the thread, his meltdown begins here: >>16989926
how long does it take for it to get fixed
>>16990367over a year
>>16990361lol no.
>>16990361How did you know?
>>16990274these satellites are the ones that will require the orbital data centers to work properly. this contract is going to be worth way more than $4 billion.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA-S1JGzph4
>16989806>16989926>16989951>16989985>16989993>16990004>16989996>16989923>16989928>16989939>16989976>16990003>16990011>16990040>16990059>16990159>16990167>16990212the full baittard meltdown. all of these posts sound like they were made by an insecure teenage girl.
>they got the contract?>dump it
>>16990361Damn am I really that obvious?
>>16990361Bet you feel stupid now, huh?
>>16990330i know all the secrets regarding BO
>16990386
>>16990359https://x.com/charlesboyer/status/2060427307379040448>If you haven't heard much about SpaceX's Starfall project, it's planned to have Starship carry compact, uncrewed laboratory capsules into Earth orbit. The capsules will harness the unique conditions of microgravity to conduct research and manufacture goods, then return.It's kinda like stealing Varda's business model and mixing it with a Transporter rideshare mission
>>16990391>uncrewed ISS replacementi sleep
>>16990367It doesn't. The launch facility for the larger New Glenn is already in progress. Makes sense to just move on to the new platform and site.
>16990376mentally stable post.
>>16990398This has got to have caused property damage to thousands of homes.
.
>>16990404>liking thunderf00t posts just to ragebaitI see you and you are heard, no need to hurt yourself anymore
i see nothing
Truly a sad day for spaceflight. I hope BO comes back stronger from this
>>16990278spreading around to different competitors only means anything when the competitors are roughly within the same budget, and when launch is the limiter on how many sats you can put up
>>16990404he makes a fair point tbqh.
>>16990404burning methane turns into co2 and h2oits clean
This is the first time Blue Origin and 'aggressive test program' appeared in the same sentence.
>>16990404BO and SpaceX have different approaches to rocket development, so their rockets blowing up during testing hold different weight.
>>16990409which part is fair, it's literally nonsense, it isn't even clear what aspect he's criticizing or if he's being sarcastic
the tortoise tried to be the hare and ended up out of the race entirely
>>16990404>>16990398>>16990192Look up quantised inertia. Quantum launch.
>>16990416in the analogy what happened to the tortoise?
very few differences between a bombjust you knowall of them
>>16990419eaten by the hare after the race
>>16990419currently flipped over on its shell
>>16990420rockets don't like being rockets. you give them the choice they would much rather be a bomb
>>16990423You would need a totally different nozzle design to use rockets as bombsLike, it won't even fly
>>16990338this guy is agonizing to listen to, and worse, didnt say anything interesting
>>16990418He has become a lot more active lately. I find that concerning.
>>16990425He's jewish.
>>16990226>le moon with le hatcute
I think we are fucked.Blue Origin being knocked out of the race means Artemis may just be cancelled.SpaceX need a rival to push them, best that could happen is BO seeming to get ahead, otherwise Musk will dilly-dally with HLS because SpaceX have very little financial incentive to get it working compared to Starlink.
>>16990226jewish moon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAipfiXqcEcAmazon Leo LA-07 in L-20:00
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060499059090039037>The launch weather officer confirms that all conditions remain observed GO for liftoff of the Atlas V rocket at 7:35 p.m. EDT (2335 UTC).
>>16990418>tfw not even schizos care about launch loops anymore
>>16990439>>16990440Well as long as ULA's Atlas V can maintain its perfect flight record, this week's launches won't be a total loss for Jeff Bezos.
Anon>Go
inb4 RUD
>weather scrub sigh
HOLD
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060504139889549775>Weather conditions have gone NO GO due to anvil clouds moving too close to the launch pad. We will be extending this hold an additional few minutes to await improvement.
99.99% scrub. Lame
>>16990427>He's jewish.Such a simple statement, yet so powerful and meaningful
Anvil cloud chads rise up
keeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeek
>virgin rocket can't penetrate a couple clouds
>>16990455Why does jeff keep winning?
Spacefags forever cucked by atmospherechads
>>16990458New T0 in T-16:00
Atmospherefags forever cucked by the indomitable human spirit
why don't they just make their rocket bigger, out of steel and with engines that turn off instead of blowup?
>>16990455this gif reminds me: how would history have gone differently if BO had gone straight for an orbital rocket and not fumbled around with this space tourism hopper crap?
Leo is never going to work, not at this rate
>>16990465>what if BO had a compltely different game plan>different leadership>different workforce>different owner>different budgethmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
staging
>>16987658 >>16987658 >>16987658
stacking
>>16990469I meant the atlas lol
>>16990465They were going to do that. New Shepard was actually a technology testbed for the systems they were planning to use. Once they their commercial crew bid lost to Dragon 2 and Starliner they decided that a partly reusable medium lifter wasn't a good fit for their long term plans, and unveiled New Glenn shortly after that.
did a spacex sniper hit the rocket
>>16990472oh right, i knew new shepard was a tech test bed, but didnt know they planned a medium lifter. i always assumed the capsule idea was for new glenn.
centaur could do the funniest thing right now
New Glenn will end up doing the entire Artemis mission.Mark my words.
The chad Centaur V, this is why we ULAchads are eating good with these upcoming SLS contracts
can they reconfigure the Starliner N22 variants of Atlas V if they want to repurpose them for something else?
>>16990478I think that is what's going to end up happening
>>16990474That might actually have been the case, kind of. 2012-2016 was a really weird period in Blue Origin history where there were a lot of things that were known to be in development but there wasn't much certainty about where any of them were leading. The BE-3 was deep into testing, but New Shepard wouldn't actually fly until 2015. The BE-4 was in development in partnership with ULA (alongside the AR1) but it wasn't actually a part of any rockets yet. Jeff had spoken on a number of occasions about building his own orbital launch vehicle, but aside from a few very speculative 3D renders there weren't any specifics known about what Blue was actually working on. The best anyone could guess was that it would be somewhere in the medium lift range alongside the Falcon 9 v1.0 and Antares because it was existent as a part of Blue's commercial crew bid. Then Blue lost commercial crew and won the main engine contract for Vulcan and things started to crystalize. After New Glenn was announced in 2016 there were a lot of rumors floating around about an even larger "New Armstrong" successor rocket. I've always wondered if New Armstrong was the name for a hypothetical heavy or superheavy lift vehicle that was first sketched out alongside the BE-4's development process and that the original New Glenn was this weird BE-3 powered Falcon competitor.
https://x.com/ulalaunch/status/2060514322929926443>The United Launch Alliance Atlas V rocket heads to space carrying 29 broadband satellites for Amazon Leo, a network that will bring fast, reliable internet to customers and communities around the world. This is the Atlas V's seventh mission to help deplpy the Leo constellation.
>>16990398
SpaceX is still fucked because IPO will ruin the entire company unless elon still has 90%
>>16990493He has 80%
some random South Korean military solid rocket small launch vehicle will be launched Sunday
>>16990495Unacceptable.
https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us7000spdd/executive>M 2.5 Accidental Explosion - Blue Origin New Glenn rocket explosion>2026-05-29 01:00:03 (UTC)28.471°N 80.538°W0.0 km depth>The Blue Origin New Glenn rocket explosion generated seismic waves that traveled through the Earth and were detected on three seismographic stations. The most distant station was 220 km (135 miles) from the rocket. The estimated magnitude of M2.5 is not directly comparable to an earthquake because the rocket explosion was not contained within the Earth, resulting in less efficient energy coupling. The event location is fixed to the explosion site.
>>16990497oh that must be ROK ADD GYUB. They've actually scheduled it? they've been threatening to do it for the last month.
https://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2060523381699612973>We go where we need to be, and today that was Kennedy Space Center.>Some of my senior engineers and I spent time at Blue Origin with Jeff Bezos and Dave Limp, speaking with the workforce and seeing the damage at LC-36 firsthand. I appreciated the opportunity to hear directly from those working through the aftermath and better understand the challenges ahead. There is a lot of work to do, but this is exactly why people choose careers in aerospace, whether at NASA, Blue Origin, or across the industry. The talent in this field thrives under pressure and performs at its best when solving the toughest problems.>We have been saying for months at NASA that we are not going to sit on our hands and wait for the capabilities necessary to achieve the nation’s most pressing objectives. We are going to take an active role alongside our partners, just as we did in the 1960s, to overcome setbacks, remove obstacles, and deliver the intended outcomes. NASA is committed to helping the Blue team recover, continue to advance their lunar lander and get New Glenn back to launching as soon as safely possible. America’s greatest achievements in space were never the result of avoiding setbacks. They came from overcoming them. We have done it before, and we will do it again
>>16990391but how will he invent it if no one's ever invented it before that he can buy the inventing rights from?
>>16990502>America’s greatest achievements in space were never the result of avoiding setbacks. They came from overcoming them. We have done it before, and we will do it againkino
>>16990497https://x.com/Cosmic_Penguin/status/2060528807426097352>Well the June 1st date once held up for days with NOTAMs confirming it, but new ones released yesterday now shows another delay to NET June 8
>Blew Origin>No Glenn
>>16990484You raise an interesting point about New Armstrong being the original name for a superheavy lift rocket before BO skipped the medium lift one. Never heared that take before and it may well be true. The New Armstrong renders featured a hypothesised reusable upper stage, and we know BO have been testing parts for such a stage in recent years, but it's designed to fit on New Glenn. So yeah seems that the functions of whatever New Armstrong originally was are taken by New Glenn now.Makes sense of the weird naming convention too. It's not like John Glenn was going to the moon, so why call the rocket that? But if it was meant to be a Falcon/Antares style small LEO truck it makes perfect sense.
>>16990502
>>16990512
Fellow responsechads. How do we make one without sounding mad?
>>16990521>i love the smell of methalox in the morning
>>16990525not funny.
>>16990525LOL
EXCLUSIVE: The real reason Blue Origin exploded has finally been revealed.https://x.com/DrClownPhD/status/2060362722496127035
>>16990359Hockey puck sized MIRVs
>>16990518can't its a trvke
>>16990424Bombs don't need to fly, silly.
Atlas is grounded.
blue moon will launch on starship
>>16990418make the box fly or go back to schizobabbling in random fields
>>16990544Star Glenn and/or NewShip when? Besides I want more rocket girl yuri.
>>16990544starship isn't powerful enough
>>16990543Oh fuck my pen
First bare pits in space?https://youtube.com/shorts/vsCETvvnJbE?si=JpXd0H8KbBKnbB_r
>>16990555This is the real reason why we need shirt sleeve environments in space
>>16990518
>>16990555>professional ass astronauts dressed up like whores while in spacecant make this shit up
>>16990518>>16990558do you actually learn more from failures than successesor is that a cope
>>16990560Depends on if you then continue to make attempts and make necessary changes. Shittle never did this.
Good news everyone!Starship will do HLS in just 4 to 8 tanker flights!
>>16990349https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aLp8SISp4nM
>>16990562this is what you sound like right now
>>16990576This is even funnier when you realize Elon hated Falcon Heavy and only made it as a favor to USSF.
>>16990513>gradatim ferociter starts with a campfire breakfast
>>16990543Kinda of weird seeing on board of a centaur
>>16990577lel
Kino
>>16990386kek
autists on reddit are making millions on virgin galactic stock rn
>>16990577Can't believe there are spiders on the moon.
>>16990502>>16990505very based, glad we have a real admin this time
>>16990457he isn't, that's like asking why is the sky pink.
>>16990476yesterday proved the exact opposite, take your pills.
>>16990502based isaacman.
>>16990518and yet nasa are the only ones who keep killing astronauts, strange.
>>16990525funny.
>>16990550it is, actually.
>>16990555she's a super saiyan.
>>16990562you sound like a woman on her period, stop being so passive-aggressive.
>>16990548for me it's star glenn
>>16990518uh oh, seems like someone can't handle a little failure, it's actually very necessary to fail a lot when pursuing novel technology, but the twatter bot can't seem to tell the difference
Can you guys stop saying BO and use the full name Blue Origin instead?BO reminds me of indians.
>>16990290The secret is in a third stage. That's literally it.
>>16990297some new safety regulation (Euro NCAP), they did some things to keep up with it and keep a very good safety rating throughout the years, but core physical frame of the S has existed since 2008https://youtu.be/Ej8rISDdvXI?si=8FPJ8hc6S9vHtZfz&t=1082
>>16990639timestamp is wrong, they talk about it here https://youtu.be/Ej8rISDdvXI?si=yO0ypCHmLQJOLl3j&t=899https://www.notateslaapp.com/news/4202/tesla-reveals-the-real-reasons-behind-the-model-s-and-model-x-cancellation
>>16990559She's French pls understand
>>16990639>>16990641not spaceflightjannies pls
>>16990651>begging for jannies on the guy actually talking about engineering and not the literal hundreds of pages of faggots acting out highschool drama
IT BEGINShttps://www.reuters.com/legal/transactional/danish-pension-fund-excludes-spacex-citing-governance-valuation-2026-05-29/
>>16990560well, not in the case of the shuttle disassemblies, because in both cases the cause was a known problem
I got an email from my broker (a fairly mainstream service) about the upcoming IPO. They never did this when Firefly or whoever went public. So all the normies are getting primed for it.
>>16990662not spaceflight.
>>16990677on topic for the board which is likely more than could be said for 90% of your posts
>>16990680those are not my posts though.
>>16990670filtering funds that will immediately turn over control of their shares to blackrock is a good thing
>>16990636Blorg
>>16990676its 30% compared to the usual 5-10% that goes to retail and they are raising so much money (like 80bil) that the 30% retail allocation means 24 billionthat means a lot of individual retail people
>>16990681and now youre playing pretend retard again to get the attention you never got from friends or family.you've spent the last however many threads "baiting", trying to get attention from strangers, and now you're acting shocked that people can recognize you.you're not subtle. that's the problem.
>>16990708no, you're passive-aggressively copying what i said again, baittard.the only one in this thread who's been having consistent melties is the person behind the posts highlighted here >>16990376seriously, why does what i say make you so mad? if you want to act like a toddler, go to nu/pol/ and add to the sludge there, you're not welcome here.
>>16990708I count you as one of the highschool drama faggots, it goes both ways, all I was saying is it's suspicious to whine for jannies on that post and not this behavior
If god really existed he would make >>16990708 have a nicer tone and >>16990711 get on his pills.
>>16990716He'd make it that there were IDs on /sci/ so i could block both of them.
>>16990717there's only one worth blocking thoughbeit.baittardism was gay and pathetic 20 years ago and it's gay and pathetic now, these reddit tourists insist that they have the right to shit up a thread because it's "le 4chan haha le /b/ amirite".probably found this place through nu/pol/ or one of the many other third worlder gateway boards that infest this site now.
>>16990718the back and forth is tiresome in the extreme and it needs to stop.
:)
I will say you arent very subtle at your good cop bad cop 'bait' routine, but you already know that.
>>16990721he won't stop until someone holds him down and forces him to take his pills. Same guy for weeks btw.>16990718>16990708>16990711
>>16990730Still can't beleive they got Mr Beast for this.
>>16990729why dont you stop? you're as stupid and insane as each other which is why blocking your retarded double act would be great.
>>16990725>>16990729and you've transitioned into another character now, cool, nobody cares dude.this guy does this every time. schizo's out because someone disagrees with him on something pertaining to starship, people notice and point it out, and he spends the next few days aggressively trying to gaslight anyone who notices that it didn't happen and accusing literally everyone of being himself.he's going to samefag super hard now to create as much confusion as possible.if this retard put as much effort into finding a job as he did trying to shit up a small general like this, maybe he wouldn't be a failed loser now.
>>16990518if he can't understand that there's a choice behind choosing perfect by design versus incremental improvements to working hardware, he's a fucking retardyou can take a position on which is betteralthough it's smarter to realize that the optimal choice depends on contextbut if you don't even realize there's a trade off to be made, you should be chucked in the wood chipper
>>16990730Look at those flawed engines in the back.
>16990739Another screed.Just. Calm. Down.
>>16990740yep, we're seeing the tradeoff of new glenn's waterfall style of development now, the assumption is that so much effort has been put into simulating and testing the design before it's put in real world conditions, that when it is there, there's nothing to worry about, and it's ready for commercial use.if you then run into problems with your finished design when it's already got customers designated for it, you get the current situation with new glenn.it's easy to laugh at starship because of the explosions, but the truth is starship finds these catastrophic problems before they cause nasty consequences to your company and your reputation, while new glenn failed once to bring a paying customer to orbit and now has to delay another customer's launch possibly by more than a year because one of their flight ready boosters turned out to not be so flight ready and blew itself up along with a bunch of operational launch pad infrastructure.
>>16990742>still projectingnote how this guy is only telling everyone who noticed this melty >>16990376to calm down.he is going out of his way to ignore his own posts because he's samefagging, and is kind of panicking and trying to create confusion.
>IM MELTING DOWN, IF ANYBODY TELLS ME TO CALM DOWN THEY A-ARE A C-COMPILATION OF POSTS I M-MADENo?Just humiliating at this point honestly. Please for the sake of /sfg/ ask your mom to take your phone. The thread has become unusable again since you started.
>>16990746it's amazing how every single disagreement somehow gets transformed into another chapter of your samefag detective novel.
>>16990367best guess is 2 years
>>16990747>melting down this hard because none of your samefagging is workingbaittard, you're using literally the exact same writing style from your earlier melty, you're not slick. stop samefagging, it doesn't work on slow boards like this.
Proxima d, b, and c should be named Eurytion, Chiron, and Nessus respectively.I reject any other names the ((((((IAU)))))) brings forward.
>>16990744when has waterfall ever been quicker and cheaper overall than the SpaceX style of hardware-rich iterative design?people are just so fucking retarded that they think, explosion = bad, regardless of the contextstarship exloding while on a test flight over the gulf = slight delay until the next one is launchedNew Glenn exploding on their only launch pad = catastrophic delay that fucks over their customersan explosion isn't just an explosion, context matters but these retards don't seem to know the differenceyou could even say that some explosions don't really matter at alllets say we two scenarios1) waterfall, takes 15 years and costs 20bil and 0 explosions (lets ignore ground tests to failure etc in places where the public doesn't notice them)2) iterative hardware rich,20 years, 20bil, 100 explosionswhich one is better?
at this point the EDS poster and the anti-EDS poster are shitting up the thread similarlyif you just ignored the EDS or in the very least, just commented something like "that is wrong and retarded, here are the reasons why" and then kept it at that without going into long drawn out bickering, then that would be finebut you start looking almost as bad with this multithread back and forth (assuming its not just the same EDS poster that is samefagging with himself now, wouldn't really put it past him considering the arca spam a few threads back)
>>16990747>i-if you d-don't let me samefag in peace i'm going to make the thread unusable againgood that you're admitting it's you who's making the thread unusable lmao, you just can't stop yourself, literally the only thing i have to do is point to your earlier posts and you come out swinging insisting that it's not you.recognize that you had your melty, feel ashamed, resolve to do better next time, and then shut up, stop playing this gay ass game of musical chairs and stop trying to gaslight people, it's not going to make the embarrassment go away.
>>16990764>assuming its not just the same EDS poster that is samefagging with himself now, wouldn't really put it past him considering the arca spam a few threads back)im leaning in this direction. would love to block the pair of them
>>16990764no, i'm going to keep pointing out his behaviour because it makes him go ballistic and increases the chances of janny intervention. having a sociopath like this in the thread is not acceptable.>>16990764>just commented something like "that is wrong and retarded"people did, doesn't stop him from continuing to shit up the thread, after his ARCA spergout i genuinely think he just shouldn't be on the board period, he has nothing to add.
>>169907632 because we get to watch explosions
>>16990769this is not methis is me >>16990765 >>16990761 >>16990767it's the baittard samefagging again and doing what i just told you he'd do.dude has literally zero shame.if you see some dude randomly accusing you of being the baittard, chances are it's him trying to gaslight and muddy the waters again.
>>16990763lol the timelines and costs were supposed to be similar, but anywaythe point is, what matters are the results you get in the end and you could argue that having a lot of "explosions" i.e. actually testing the hardware extensively your hardware will be much more reliableF9 is very reliable, it was extensively tested
https://x.com/MikeSeeley/status/2060713581226709479>Another view of the 8:57am (ET) Friday, May 29, SpaceX launch, a Falcon 9 rocket carrying Starlink satellites to orbit. This was the view from Titusville, 1:24 in flight, as the rocket passed in front of the Sun, shown first in real time, and then slowed to 5% speed for a better view of those majestic shockwaves. Filmed with a Canon R5 w/ an RF100-500L & 1.4x TC with a solar filter.
>>16990776She aged 10 years wtf
>>16990256true
>>16990763NTA but at this point it doesn't matter.Most of the criticisms of any given commercial rocket is because it's commercial. NASA could kill another 7 astronauts and a bunch of committees and hearings would make it all better while any perceived failure (explosion, whether intentional or not) of a commercial vehicle invalidates the whole experiment.To answer your question tho. I'm more leaning to a Falcon/R-7 hybrid approach.Both rockets had a viable product early on and became extremely reliable and higher performance with experience and production.I honestly believe starship development has engineers getting complicit with the process. Improvements to the architecture are being made but simultaneously certain details are being left to flight testing or just being executed outright sloppily because there is an assumption of these aren't operational missions so they don't have to care.
>>16990744turns out you're supposed to ferociter before you're doing regular mission flights and you're supposed to gradatim after it's amazing that this needs to be taught to a major industry
>>16990441every non-rocket launch technology was a copenow rockets are good enough to face the reality that the alternatives are shit
>16990771>16990767>16990766>16990765>16990764>16990747>16990761>16990748>16990746Spaceflight?
>>16990780Yeah some people are just ideologically anti commercial space (like spaceguy5 it seems), having a conversation/argument with them won't lead anywhere>I honestly believe starship development has engineers getting complicit with the process. Improvements to the architecture are being made but simultaneously certain details are being left to flight testing or just being executed outright sloppily because there is an assumption of these aren't operational missions so they don't have to care.but if it lets them do other things in the mean time, speeding up the program in whole?fixing the most pressing issue, then moving on to the next etc iterating through the ship and booster, at some points it might make sense to test a clean sheet design if they had waited to do that on paper for a few years, they wouldn't have been able to test and iterate on other systems in flight-like conditionsI guess you could argue that at some point it starts to hinder things if the failures happen in a way that prevents testing the thing they were using the engineering time on (i.e. mission ending before getting to re-entry blocks some tile tests and so on) but is there a counterfactual of what would have happened if Starship was designed the oldspace way?
50 bings to a starlink launch
>>16990784This. All of those rube goldberg machines like launch loops and space elevators are relics of the expendable era, when getting to orbit seemed impossibly out of reach
>>16990226oy vey....
>>16990226
>>16990788elevators and mass drivers make sense off Earth, depending on the body. they never made sense on Earth, though. an elevator requires an existing fully reusable launch infrastructure in the thousands of flights a year to even start thinking about feasibly building so it never made sense as a cope
>>16990786If Starship was done completely in the old way, you'd likely see a production and operational vehicle in the same time span.BUT what you'd have is likely be V1 levels of performance in terms of mass to LEO.Kinda like what you are seeing with New Glenn where it's clearly overweight and underperforming even as it kinda worked the first few times.Starship in it's current configuration is a legit monster. Certain metrics of the stack are coming close to an expendable rocket like mass ratios despite concessions to materials and engineering that has to be there because of reusability/manufacturability. That would not have happened if developed any other way.
guys did you see the blue origin news from yesterday?!?1they were awarded a NRO launch.https://www.ssc.spaceforce.mil/Newsroom/Article/4504468/space-force-awards-blue-origin-task-order-to-launch-national-reconnaissance-mis
>>16990763the hardware rich design philosophy spacex uses is more expensive IF you you don't have good manufacturing infrastructure, that's the tradeoff.
>>16990799fun fact, in the early falcon days Elon hired the manufacturing manager from Mini Cooper, because he saw parallels in small-production car manufacturing & F9
>>16990797>fourth quarter 2027if it was 2026 I was gonna laugh but that's fine
another falcon 9 launch.
landed
it really is that easy
>>16990816i love the landings. doesn't get boring
>>16990785>baittard only pointing to posts that aren't himyou're not slick, baittard. you need to calm down.
>>16990820>only pointing to posts that aren't himI know. They are yours, sperg-kun. Thanks for admitting in 4k that you have been samefagging this whole thread. Quick! Better roll it back.
>>16990410 any update?
>>16990824kek, fucking got xer
>>16990823not messy enough
>>16990824ah, back from pretending to not exist, i see.why do you sperg out so hard, go back to nu/pol/ dude you don't belong here.
total schizo death
>>16990824>>16990830>everyone who notices the arcafag melting down is one guy>y-you pointed out i was samefagging again, b-but actually YOU'RE samefagging not me!!!!take your meds, baittard. you're just that noticeable, this is a slow board, none of these sociopathic tactics work here.
>>16990577kek
god I love it when tards have melties over me and I haven't even posted today yet. Getting some real nice salt dividends on my investment
we're 500 falcon 9 flights in and the flight rate / cost hasn't budged the launch market for non-starlink.
>>16990840back to baiting other people?
>>16990840yes, because starlink is (much) more profitable
It was nicer when you guys didn't do this every single thread
How likely is it that New Glenn is still an untested vehicle that have bugs for basic stuff that Starship/SpaceX has figured out along the way through thousands of static fire tests, WDR, fueling procedures?
https://x.com/davill/status/2060757499716788725We are back.
>>16990847Well the chance is close to 100% if you are comparing to Falcon, because SpaceX has flown so many Falcons and has been locked on the Block 5 design for almost all of the flights. Comparing to Starship, New Glenn is defintiely more developed. Remember, Starship had a ship and booster explode during testing in separate incidents quite recently. Plus V3 is flight tested a grand total of once, where it partially failed.
>>16990850Even comparing it to Starship alone.
>>16990849let me translate that:>we will not be flying for over a year.
>>16990849BO lack the charismatic showman of Musk, but it's inspiring to see Bezos show no wavering and reassure everyone that Blue will rebuild. They will be stornger as a result of this. They will move on to the bigger New Glenn (which can carry their reusable upper stage), and their relaxed culture will be sharpened by this big failure.
>>16990847in most ways it makes no sense to compare Starship and New Glenn beyond competing contracts, New Glenn is trying to be F9+. despite being far less tested every aspect of NG is more traditional and conservative
>>16990856>>16990857>>16990858>>16990859>falcon 5>2nd stage reuse>FH cross feed>red dragon>1337 engine>SuperDraco propulsive landing>starman in mars orbit>burst discs>carbon fiber>deorbit module>starlink V3>...>..>.
>>16990856I'm literally working on USDV right now
>>16990856I think this is where the kids say something like "uh oh melty"
why didnt the fraud make it?
>>16990856rapid iteration is good actually, sometimes it means dropping old plans completely
>>16990859>why did they skip this intermediary step it's a SCAM you're just going to go down the list and it's gonna be this every time basically
>>16990859Why would he make it? The Falcon 5 would have been capable of maybe 4 tons to orbit, and had no anchor customer. Falcon 9 started at 9 tons to orbit, and NASA's COTS program gave priority to get Falcon 9 flying. After seeing how parachute based recovery was not viable with the vehicle, they changed strategy to pursue propulsive reuse, and by that point the justification to try and develop Falcon 5 vanished completely.
>>16990833checked, total lolcow humiliation.
>>16990846>you guysthere's only one guy doing this >>16990839>noooooo i totally haven't been gaslighting everyone your writing style is incredibly recognizable, you've been seething for hours already.
aaaaand here he is again. was nice having some peace while it lasted.
https://www.blueorigin.com/news/ng-4-hotfire-updates
>>16990866yep, here he is again, still melting down>16990839>16990830>16990824>16990785>16990769he really should just go back to nu/pol/
>>16990869i would approach, touch and take home debris
>>16990555>>16990556>>16990559don't forget she leaves those barking dogs out too. Disgusting!https://www.youtube.com/shorts/r3aSZ5k4BqM
>>16990680Nobody wants to talk about EVs here. Try /o/
>>16990876/o/ is mostly enthusiasts, they tend to hate EVsbut I wasn't trying to talk about them, someone said something that wasn't true, I corrected them, they asked a followup question to clarify and I provided that clarification
>>16990880well it seems that you're talking about how European motor vehicle registrations have effected some of Tesla's EVs. This is in fact not spaceflight related
such hostile general. less dog e dog please
>>16990883so it was you then >>16990048you were wrong, fag
>>16990885I am the biggest doggy dog
>>16990892I would never mention EVs in this general so no, sorry
>>16990895
https://thenextweb.com/news/danish-pension-spacex-blacklist-governance-overvalued>A Danish pension fund has blacklisted SpaceX, calling it grossly overvalued with catastrophic governance >AkademikerPension will not buy SpaceX shares at any price near the $1.8 trillion IPO target, saying the company cannot reasonably be worth more than $1 trillion and that Musk’s voting control makes it effectively uninvestabledanish bros...
>>16990918also, this is interesting>The company’s S-1 filing revealed that Musk holds roughly 85% of voting power through a dual-class share structure in which Class B shares carry ten votes each compared with one vote for the Class A shares being offered to the public. Musk simultaneously serves as chief executive, chief technology officer, and board chair.>That concentration of control means public shareholders will have no practical ability to influence company decisions. Musk can appoint a majority of the board and cannot be removed as CEO without his own consent. SpaceX will claim controlled-company status after listing, which exempts it from Nasdaq rules requiring a majority of independent directors
>>16990918so they think its reasonabily valued at 999 billion?
>>16990921retard
a large meteor struck the Boston areahttps://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/2060794519331754387#mhttps://nitter.net/NStewWX/status/2060791009353617469#mhttps://nitter.net/sentdefender/status/2060790125374661025#m
>>16990923hi fren, love you too.
>>16990928>nitter
>>16990931I'm not logged into Twitter on my phone
>>16990935so you don't get caught for the cp on your phone?
>>16990928>distinct double thudIt's a nuke.
>>16990928fucking nothingburger, I was hoping for millions dead
>>16990920while on some level i get it, i always find it funny when investors go like>nooooo we're supposed to be able to make executive decisions and fuck around with a product we don't understaaaand!like most of these cocksuckers don't understand jack for shit about any of the engineering involved with the product, but many of them have the glib cockyness to assume they'll be able to influence the company's decisions positively in the long run with their inputs.not even specifically talking about spacex here at this point, this is just a general rant about investors being overconfident retards outside their field of expertise and it biting them in the ass.
>>16990956I mean what's the point of investing into company that you get nothing out of it?
>>16990954only if it hits india, i'm still dissapointed by that big one that had a chance of hitting india a little while ago but turned out to be a nothingburger.
>>16990957>what's the point of investing into company that you get out of itwhat you get out of it is insider info as to how the company is doing, helping you inform whether or not you should stay invested, and having the share prices go up and make money off of it because you invested in it.don't mistake me for a fool, i'm not trying to pretend i don't UNDERSTAND why these people want voting control so badly, i just think that for most of the people investing, they'd honestly make significantly worse decisions than the company staff, boeing is a good example of this killing a company over time, people talk about the management there, but one of the things slowly choking that thing to death is the numerous investors all trying to make decisions about engineering shit they know nothing about, leading to an endless cycle of short term profit margin autism that slowly cannibalizes the company into nothing.
>>16990957people invest in companies mainly to get money either through share appreciation or dividends, not because they want to influence a companys decisions
>>16990960well, they do, but mostly as >>16990959mentioned because investors almost always choose to use their voting power to destroy the whole company for "efficiency" and short-term profit margin increases to bump the stock up further, which later leads to the death of said company, there's a pretty clear pattern of that kind of thing happening when the core people behind the company get their share of the vote reduced, however people might hate musk or the rest of upper crust of spacex, i think it still holds up here, and that's probably what musk fears most from going public.
>>16990956>glib cockyness to assume they'll be able to influence the company's decisions positively in the long runIf by positively you mean suck it dry, they are actually very good at that. SpaceX loses billions a year as we saw in the recent releases, but if the funds got a hold of management they would be able to fire everyone but a skeleton crew responsible for Falcon operations, outsource most of those remaining jobs, and make a small fortune for many years.
>>16990959>i just think that for most of the people investing, they'd honestly make significantly worse decisions than the company staffThere are multiple problems exhibited by people who have made enough money to invest to that level. Some think that since they made money one way they can make it in any other way. Others really dont see the investment target as anything other than a stock price to be manipulated. This is also the problem with public traded companies in general, where the company officers are obligated by law to have return on investment as a primary concern, and that often runs counter to actual sound business practices.
>>16990957retard.
>>16990956bro investors don't even do that shit anymore, they just let money manages mismanage entire companies for them
I was wondering what it would feel like if this thing rolled over your foot while it was fully loaded with the Artemis 2 mission. So I did some calculations.These numbers I found from the internet:>the weight of the whole vehicle: 5000 tons>the dimensions of one rectangular piece of a track = 25*90 square inchesIn picrel you can also see that 21 of those rectangles are in contact with the ground on one track, which means 168 overall. By doing the math, you get the pressure to be equal to 212 kilos per dollar bill of surface area. Assuming it was rolling on grass or gravel or something, it wouldn't even be that bad actually.
>>16990987i guess you're right, these people have so much money they just delegate all their work to some other retards.
>>16990989Makes sense that the weight would be distributed over a large surface area, considering the size.I fucking love watching huge things move about in exactly the way you don't expect they could.
>>16990989yeah but it's rolling over ALABAMA RIVER ROCKS™
>>16990989tracked vehicles in general tend to have pretty low surface pressure but that thing would instantly detrack because your foot isn't made of good pure Alabama river rock
>>16990994the thing that makes that picrel work is the fact that buoyancy is OP and that structure being mostly hot air by volume.
>>16990999Yeah, but it looks cool as fuck and as if it shouldn't work.
>>16991004i agree, it looks pretty dope. can't wait to see pictures of starships being transported on barges through the GIWW like that.
>>16990989Are you dumb or simply retarded? Your foot presents an elevated surface, so the pressure would not be evenly spread across the entire gorund and your foot. The oresssure of the plate above yourfoot would be focused on your foot until it is reduced down to the elevation of the surrounding ground. Then the pressure would be spread evenly. Your foot would be reduced to a flat paste.
>>16991004Insanely large scale building projects are one of the things I'm fascinated by the most. Whether it be a billion dollar cruise ship, a crazy ass bridge or a half a kilometer tall sky skraper. That stuff is just so cool to think about
>>16991011The idea was that the foot might slightly sink into the ground and so it wouldn't create much elevation necessarily
>>16990398*AHEM*NG 9x4 fixes this :^)
>>16991016how much would it hurt your foot normally if you applied enough weight and pressure to sink it totally level with the ground through an already dense and compacted substrate of ALABAMA RIVER ROCKS™?my guess is it would hurt pretty fucking badly. though your foot might not get entirely crushed.fun fact i once had a bus drive over my feet when i was 12 and it didn't hurt at all, granted it wasn't going super fast but still.
>>16991020>i once had a bus drive over my feet when i was 12I had the same thing. I upset the driver so he nearly ran me over. The front of my shoe was messed up but it hurt no more than having a fat guy jump on my foot.
The President of the United States of America posted this.
https://x.com/PhazzeeYeehaw/status/2060820650776789321>A few hours ago a Long March 2D departed from Xichang to bring four more GuoWang test satellites into orbit, to trial direct-to-device services and coordination with ground networks
>>16991027Nice painting. Who is the artist?
>>16991025yeah, probably would suck ass if a tire went and parked on my foot for 15 seconds, but as it was, it only stung for a second and nothing more.
>>16991031Artificial Intelligence
>>16991020>>16991025>>16991035/SFG/: Squashed Feet General
>>16991027The shuttle has such a fucking grip on the cultural zeitgeist. This piece of shit hasn’t flown in 15 years yet it’s still the go-to rocket for normies
if astronauts deserve admiration for risking their lives aboard a rocketThen why don't i deserve admiration every time i drive home absolutely hammered?
>>16991051did you train for all the failure modes of driving a car hammered?
>>16991055no i will survive only by my instincts
>>16991056do you have to share a toilet inside your car with a woman?
>>16991056yeah but astronauts don't survive by their instincts, if they were driving a car hammered they would be autistically prepared to do so.
>>16991063they are passengers, this isn't the 60's, they don't prepare for fucking anything and are dead 100% if anything goes wrong
>>16991065retarded.
>>16991066Prove your ability to survive a 2 kiloton explosion
>>16991051Real astronauts were doing that, too, back in the 50s and 60s
>>16991067Launch escape tower.
>>16991065the goyim will not survive a trip on a Boing vehicle
>>16991071never once demonstrated
>>16991074https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDOtHT9jgIgwrong
>>16991065the starliner deathtrap incident disproves your train of thought.
>>16990989One of my feet was run over by a pickup (I was helping push it and put my foot in the wrong place because I'm retarded) but it was fine, probably because it was the rear tire of a dualie with an empty bed.
>>16991086at my workplace we have a wall of shame for pictures of employees getting their trucks/tractors stuck in the mud :D
>spaceflight?
>>16991095This word is unheard of in new glenn and starship circles
>>16991096NG 9x4 fixes this
>>16991096starship flew in space like a week ago, BO is grounded for a year and suddenly you want to create an equivalence
>>16991094It wasn't even stuck, just not running. Also I guess there would have been even less force on my foot it it was mud rather than asphalt.>>16991095Starship is a spacetruck.
>>16990918activist share holder
>>16991099>starship is a spacetruckchecked, this resolves the starship is a spaceplane/capsule dispute, starship is a space truck.
>>169910199x4 helps New Glenn's abysmal TLI at the cost of making the rocket significantly more expensive.
>>16991103>>16991099I would like to see StarShip try to pull a trailer.
>>16990826I got an email from an actual human at NASA HQ explaining that they got my request and are processing it. Important to note that apparently FOIA requests tend to go beyond the 20 day limit, but that seems to be for the bigger gov agencies. Unsure if NASA is faster. If we're lucky I'll have something to share (either the video or a rejection) within 20 days.
>>16991110as long as you don't put the trailer in it's exhaust plume, it should do just fine.
>>16991111thanks anon, also quads checked.
whenever I get mad at someone on /sfg/, I calm down by remembering that none of this matters because FTL is impossible.
>>16991123As far as I understand it, the math doesn’t necessarily prevent local bubbles from moving FTL. This is enough to satisfy me; not like we will be likely to see any sort of FTL meme ship in our lifetime even if we all lived to 120 yrs old
>>16991125not sure about that bubble thing - closest thing I can think of is this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Van_Stockum_dust#A_genuine_paradox
do not try and go faster than the speed of light. it's impossible. instead, realize that there is no universe.
>>16991129/sfg/- Space Flight Gnostics
>>16991128>Reads like a personal reflection >Nominated for speedy deletion Thanks for bringing this to my attention
>>16990404Somebody on /v/ turned this up and I had to bring it hereWhat a mysterious individual graced SpaceX Lounge six years ago
>>16991030I think that's the last launch of the month, unless anyone has heard news of the Russian Rassvet milsats
the aliens observing us must be aughing at us non-stop for not being able to eliminate the need for the tower bullshit
>>16991141Laugh it up, ayyslmaoYou won't find it so funny when we come up there and beat the shit out of youRight after we fix our launch tower
18m diameter starship wouldnt need a big tower.
>>16991141humayys are the laughing stock of the rest of the universe
>>16991141Best tower is no tower.
what do we think of pld space and their miura rockets
>>16991151I don't think about them
>>16991151>old space>building the nowwhat did they mean by this?
>>16991151They're very stubborn in refusing to die, despite being a European spaceflight company. I'd like to watch them succeed, if only because we could watch the French and Germans suffer a bit.
Hear me out..... Starship Centaur
>>16991129*tilts head*
>>16991166I read that they got funding from Germany
>>16991014Big things kick ass.
>>16991134Embarrassing, this is who all EDSers strive to be btw.
>>16991168Horsepussy
>>16990792a launch loop is technologically feasible at least though and no one has built even a small one
BO should buy ULA, primarily for the ground facilities but also the remaining Atlas inventory while SLC-36 is repaired. BO can pivot to work on New Glenn 9x4 while continuing to fly Atlas, Vulcan, and the remaining NG 7x2 hardware. Do it Jeff.
>>16991212you can't really have a "small" functioning launch loop
>>16991226Lmao
>>16991226more like launch date chaser
https://x.com/TurkeyBeaver/status/2060993327202251218
>>16990918>and that Musk’s voting control makes it effectively uninvestableGet FUCKED you fucking ship sinking shitcunts
>>16991240This will also be a test of how good the US is at rebuilding large infrastructure. This is a hell of a lot more important than the Baltimore bridge...
>>16991240>this is how I find out xitter suspended my account because the AI thinks me not posting makes me a botfucking gay, you don't even get to be a passive observer without getting depersoned nowadays anyway>but Bezos runs supply chains does Amazon even touch bulk construction material supply? even if they did, which I don't think they significantly do, why would it really matter? they're not going to cause every up and downstream bottleneck to magically disappear even if they sent down the line that the trucks have to give priority because it's a Beezmergency.
>>16991247I don't see how this is comparable. Structurally this is way simpler. You're building on fucking land, scrapping the old one is way simpler, it's not in active use unlike the shipping lane under the bridge, and they don't need to start a long process to design and build a new tower type for replacement.Even if it contains a lot of special stage 0 sauce compared to a bridge.
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>>16991247The bridge isn't necessarily like for like. An updated design will be used, one that will prevent future such accidents. This is unfortunate because I hate Baltimore.
>>16991226hahaha...
>>16991291at least use the HLS which has actual agreements behind it, this is completely retarded
>>16991291making the impossible late
>>16991291uh oh. Don't post this. sperg-kun will have a multi-thread mealthy again!
>>16991201unf>>16991226I use nextspaceflight nowadays but the delay tracker is the best thing about spaceflightnow's launch schedule, it can get quite hilarious.
>>16991291DELETE THIS NOW!
>>16991316you two are the same person with slightly different biases
>>16991321two different personalities of the same schizo person that got mindraped after shorting tesla
>>16991291now think of this and elon trying to hype the ipo. actual pyramid scheme shit.
>>16991307This, everyone forgets that SpaceX' specialty is turning the impossible into lateThey're the first and fastest to do things, but slower than what musk wants and thinks is possible (with no setbacks at all), which is a timetable he used to share a lot in the past but it's lead to bad press because they keep missing the deadline on an impossible task by 2 years and get ridiculed for it like "haha wow you promised the impossible 2 years ago and you're only now making it happen??? you guys are such failures!!"
>>16991220No you still have to attach a rocket to it which makes it dumb I knowMaybe a solid fuel one ehBut as a proof of concept its surprising no one ever tried
>>16991291SHUT THE FUCK UP EDS
>>16991291Not even remotely equivalent. Mars will still be there, the ISS probably won't.
>>16991219They tried but Boing and LM ask for a ridiculous price
>BO claims they'll fix the pad in six months >Not a soul believes themLmao
>>16990920>NOOOO YOU HAVE TO LET OUTSIDE INVESTORS COME IN AND HOLLOW OUT THE COMPANY FOR SHORT-TERM GAINS! YOU JUST GOTTA!lmao, I hope Elon lives a thousand years.
>>16991349it's more the fact that it's an actual contract vs. an internal goal with no ground broken. Vulcan has been feature complete and starving for engines about as long as Starship has been public as a paper concept
>>16991351Tory might have the info needed to close the deal, BO/LM pretend otherwise but they've seen the writing on the wall. If they still won't deal then I'd say it's time for some engine problems.
>>16991219The remaining Atlas inventory is owned by Boeing. Buying ULA also buys it's preexisting contractual obligations.
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>>16991352i believe >>16990094
>>16991321>>16991327>y-you are the s-sameno, the difference is actually pretty simple.i'm an honest person who says what he thinks and means what he says. he's a compulsive baiting weirdo who has ruined his life because he can treat nothing with authenticity.
>>16991372Anon, how long did the AMOS-6 oopsie take to get fixed?
>>16991373all of your cope melts away in the fact that the only reason multithread meltdowns even exist is that you and your alterego keep feeding each other.
>>16991151is that a berserk reference?
>>16991373i used to roleplay arguing with myself on a old runescape clan website back in the day after my parents divorced, your posting reminds me a bit of thatit was pretty sad desu
>>16991244uh oh melty
>>16991226it all went downhill when Sierra Nevada bought out the founders SpaceDev after Jim Benson died. The HL-20 design may go down in history as the most developed unflown space plane
they changed from 2030 to 2028whoa
ipo one hundred trillionbilliongazillion
>>16991392they're not going to conquer refueling in 2 years. there simply isn't the time to put in the number of flights needed to test that. but of course they're going to say 2028 because if they say 2032 development will slow down accordingly, it's inevitable
I would buy shares, but it's going to get merged with Tesla which isn't going to be relevant five years from now. xAI was unironically better
>>16991375thats exactly what it is. they both need ignoring completely at this point, if its even two different posters.
>>16991392ipo bait?
>>16991396>they're not going to conquer refueling in 2 yearsRefueling will be a nothingburger just like booster catching.
>>16991402I'd like them to go back to catching the booster, I don't like that they stopped. Booster catch is cool.
>>16991402that would be great if that's the case, but I don't see it. refueling is as much a logistics problem as an execution problem, there's a lot of infrastructural development ahead as well as addressing reliability that needs to be done to even approach a single mission to Mars/the Moon
they can't refuel a starship because they don't have the ability to refuel the tanks in stage zero fast enough. they need way more fuel storage tanks and pipes. like 20 times the amount they currently have.
>>16991407shhh. let these people live in their delusional fantasies.
>>16991407It's called an air separation unit across the street retard.
>>169913962 months
>>16991405Let alone the logistics problem. Right now cryogenic fuel transfer has never been attempted in space and nobody knows how it will work. People say it's a nothingburger. In reality it will be a "nothingburger" just like the challenges of getting the heat shield to not burn through or getting the booster flip to work etc. Soit will not just happen in a day, it will be at least a year of test flights.
>>16991411>>16991413these are essentially the same post from opposite angles. just net negative contribution to understanding
>>16991418>net negative contribution to understandingbit like what happens when people ask you for directions.
>>16991416i am operating under the assumption that the actual point of fuel transfer will actually be trivial, because I don't think it's the developmental bottleneck. SpaceX is very capable of rapidly dealing with execution problems. doing one impossible thing once is practically low hanging fruit at this point. the problem is in getting to the point where 1+X rockets are continuously available for launch, with low turn around times, with insignificant chances of failure on each launch. those problems require a lot of buildout and a lot of work on at the very least the Raptor which has come a long way but not to acceptable commercial use failure rates yet
there are no rocket launches planned for today.Go outside!~
>>16991421fuel transfer between two ships is an expensive thing to test. It requires 2 launches. They will probably fail first try. And if there are unexpected problems it could easily take multiple years.
>>16990508kekt, very nice
>>16990763The second one is better because it involves actually testing the whole system in actual operation many times. With the first you just have to hope you didn't overlook something important. But what are the chances of one launch system killing everyone onboard twice?
>>16991418What is there to 'understand'? That some retard isn't claiming that SpaceX hasn't thought at all about the logistics of its tank farms? That they just started building an ASU next to its tank farm for no reason? That there isn't a massive LNG export terminal under construction at the Port of Brownsville yet they have no intention of utilizing it?
>>16991367>>16991367>Buying ULA also buys it's preexisting contractual obligationsNo problem there, might even be executed quicker.
>>16991402yes, but that doesn't stop people from catastrophizing it right now and subsequently saying it isn't a big deal right after its accomplished
>nooooooo not le heckin explosionsYou lack the right stuff. Go join a knitting circle.
>>16991433>catastrophizingmeanwhile in reality: starship has been doing integrated flight tests for 3 years and is still struggling to cross 'nothingburger' hurdles. Maybe these things are actually hard?
>>16991435making speedy reuse work doesn't mean that orbital refilling will be difficult
>>16991433>>16991439you can feel free to go on one of those betslop sites and put money on Starships on Mars in 2028/9 if you think that suggesting otherwise is catastrophizing. that's definitely going to be a good payout
>>16991440man I completely quoted the wrong posts lmao, posting from the bath excuse me >>16991433>>16991402
>>16991441>posting from the bathis that before you get your nails done?
