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>been in /scg/ for years now
>still not employed in stem
its truly joever.

Is working in a startup just BARELY above doing a postdoc in terms of career progression?

>>16992514
Its miles better. Lightyears better.

Being financially dependent on the women in your life is actually W faps and highly goated

>>16992596
How does one reach this nirvana? Just like.. get fired and fail to find a replacement job? And then spend increasingly large amounts of time getting into fringe conspiracy theories online while my life crumbles and my kids worry for the unknown future and whether I'll be around in a few years?

>>16992602
For me all I had to do was be myself

>>16992618
How do I be yourself, do you have any top tips. I don't want to work any more. Shit sucks balls, from the perspective of the ball sucker. Not fun, but it pays the bills. I'd rather the wife paid them. She don't have money or a job though. What do?

>>16992634
Basically I just got me a down bitch and let her know what's up.

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Why are there sex having normies posting in my stemcel thread? This isn't reddit.

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retard EEfag, I got 2 C+'s, a D+ (in a proofs course, shouldn't have taken it) and an F this semester but I got an internship at hidden gem company that designs custom electronic filters, am I fucked next year when I start applying for jobs?

>>16992729
Man you wouldn't even know the first thing about it. Get to stepping fool.

>>16992803
you are doing well practical experience >> grades. You can have perfect grade and no one will hire you without job experience. Happened to me.

>>16992514
I'm assuming you're talking careers outside academia. Postdocs do not count for career progression. Working in a real job counts for career progression. Startup counts, just your job title may not translate directly when applying to bigger companies. Your job title can be senior executive science god, does not mean that is the level you will be hired or paid at in a big company.

God damnit all.

I am an aerospace engineering major and I want to become an astronaut

I just want some money in my pocket, a job I can tell people I work without immediately feeling shame and to go on holiday a few times a year. Is that too much to ask after all I've been through?

I got my masters from Loyola in flair bartending and eating pussy

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>welcome to the physics department

>>16993212
You sound like the kind of straight shooter who should run a trillion dollar aeronautical company

>>16993296
Every department which follows the laws of physics is the physics department. Any which don't follow the laws of physics need to be investigated for crimes against causality.

For anyone still conteplating a career in maths:
>Leiden Declaration on Artificial Intelligence and Mathematics
https://leidendeclaration.ai/
>Technological developments have repeatedly transformed the practice of mathematics. Recent artificial intelligence technologies, including symbolic and neural methods for the generation and formalization of mathematics, may already have initiated a significant chapter in this long history. Among researchers, artificial intelligence has produced a wide range of reactions: enthusiasm for its potential to yield new discoveries; intimidation by the pace of developments; indifference to these rapid changes; and concern for the implications, both for mathematics and in wider society.

>>16993448
>luddite scientists
crazy times we are living in

>>16993474
Sneedite

>>16993448
Thankfully I got out after PhD.

>create a linkedin account since apparently that's mandatory these days
>5 minutes into browsing and I already feel like murdering someone
is this really what "job searching" is like these days?

>>16993704
You are not supposed to actually look at the content. Just message people.

>>16993706
I get that, and that's what pisses me off
I just want to get a goddamn job, not talk to people

>>16993708
Just message recruiters.

I'm a X looking for Y. Do you have any openings? Thanks.

It is literally their job to find you a job.

>>16992282
>still wake up in a panic that I've missed some assignment or slept through class
>still have trouble sleeping ecause i have a strong feeling I've forgotten to do some homework or readings

Can I get neetBUX for education induced ptsd

>>16992282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WIfK-_WbTM

Do you guys use AI to write your cover letter? I have been trying but it can't get the subtle differences right and it always sounds convoluted. Worst of all I have slowly adapted that way of writing as well now.
I do hope the hiring department at the department doesnt notice or skips it.

>>16993757
What kind of reddit normie are you? Being a student is bliss compared to your average office job

I miss being a student and only having to worry about exams right as they're coming up, and just fucking about drinking with my roommates for 4 years.

>>16993937
I'm a 90 IQ retard that neets monotony and stability, I'm tired of half assing exams and wondering if I'm good enough

>>16994030
>I'm tired of half assing exams and wondering if I'm good enough
I never understood this. Are you working in fast food. How can work tasks be less stressful than some exam with clearly defined curriculum?

>>16993937
I have a job with a fair amount of stress, responsibility and deadlines.

It's still much less stressful for me than exams and university was. Maybe a personality thing or growing up. Used to get all bent out of shape for exams, now the whole enterprise can burn down with everyone inside it and I don't really care.

>>16993704
I just deactivated my LinkedIn a little while after I got a job. Can resurrect it if jobseeking again. Or not, nobody cares.

>>16994049
Yeah, it might be a maturity thing. Have you taken any courses/exam as an adult? I have and it is really not that stressful.

>>16994059
>Have you taken any courses/exam as an adult?
I was 24 at the time of my last exam. Shat bricks. But that was 8 years ago and definitely got less neurotic since then.

Nobody wants to hire a buck wild homothug to help train their LLMs they just want him for Sisyphean "research projects". Give that down low G some stock grants!

>>16992852
Don't places ask for your transcript before you even get an interview thoughever

>>16994620
generally speaking once you've got a couple YOE no one will ever bother to check your university credentials. if you can suck dick into your first job and hold it down for a bit it won't matter.

transcripts are used to downsample the 500 jeets who apply to every entry level job

>>16993937
you never have to do anything hard at work unless you go out of your way to seek out challenges. in uni you will probably have to work hard at least a few times if you want decent grades

most people aren't working 9-9-6 at a startup

>>16994408
>help train their LLMs
is this an actual career path or a pump and dump scheme?

>>16994620
who cares you design electronic filters the one rule in this field has always been practical experience >>> degree. Plenty of master/phd graduates that don't know how to crank something or fear hands on stuff.

>>16994049
Same for me. Could also be a question of upbringing. I believe a good chunk of university students come from families that hammer down the
>get that degree or you'll end up sweeping streets whole life
mantra since preschool along with
>you failed the exam? I told you to study more and not $FUN_ACTIVITY, idiot! Lazy bastard! Who the hell did I raise?

>>16994030
>90 IQ
Can't be real. I bet everyone ITT is at least 110... right?

>>16994744
why would you think that? consider that this is the general where the bottom of the barrel end up. the typical 4chan user is an L5 staff engineer at FAGMAN while we here are the losers who can't even find a job and therefore had to stay in school for 4-6 more years to keep our parents off our case

>>16994750
>stay in school for 4-6 more years to keep our parents off our case
lmao this is the only reason I even went to college in the first place

>>16994736
Well I'm an orphan and nobody really gave two shits about my education. Did the job equivalent of street sweeping for a year before university so that part was clear enough. Just naturally neurotic, would not have been in university otherwise from this position.

>>16994758
yeah, me too. thought society would collapse into race war but didn't have anything better to do. then got my engineering degree and couldn't find a job, enrolled in a master's. then the lab I did my thesis at offered me a job, couldn't find anything better, ended up getting a PhD because what else are you gonna do

>>16994744
You have an inflated sense of IQ, most people are retarded. Having an IQ of 160 is basically nonexistent and most normgroids after getting shuffeled into their designated wageslavery won't know anyone with an IQ over 130. Even undergraduate students today are hardly selected to be over 100. Hell your average PhD student is proabably 110-115 (unless you're in a top program)

>>16994709
I don't know but it's the only thing I have any real work experience in.

>>16994709
Our favorite mathematician/dog groomer seems to survive on this.

>>16994921
I have a tested IQ of ~130 from job applications to Swedish military intelligence. I have a math PhD from a lower-tier Swedish technical university. I currently work as an engineer at a Swedish defense contractor, making $62k/year.

There is no way most math/physics PhDs are 110-115.

>>16994968
>>16994921
I think the hyperfocusing on IQ is a juvenile midset and people really overestimate its importance. It's necessary but not sufficient. Getting things done requires qualities besides the raw brain power. Solving puzzles is just one aspect of almost any job. Especially once you get into "real" jobs and not just research in pure mathematics.

>>16995013
You are right. However, I don't think the claim that most PhD students are 110-115 is correct.

>>16994968
>IQ of ~130
>PhD in math
>$62k
KEK absolute state
Why not move to the US and bag x5 that after tax?

>>16995060
Would love to. I struggled a lot in my latest job search. A math phd is not really a good degree for employment.

>>16995060
Moving to the US isn't exactly straightforward these days. Applying for US jobs from outside the US is a massive disadvantage.

>check out some communities for applying to college for old times sake
>its all Indians asking in broken English if they'll get into american C tier colleges and SLACs and also trying to bring their whole families over
Lol. Its all so fucked

>>16995013
this is really just cope for when you yourself don't have enough IQ and/or can't afford the top IQ men for your company.

>>16995060
>Why not move to the US
why not just win the lottery? retard. moving to the US was always extremely difficult for europeans outside a very narrow elite circle, and now it's basically impossible for the foreseeable future

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>>16995016
Cope
https://bfi.uchicago.edu/wp-content/uploads/2020/09/BFI_WP_2020137.pdf

>>16995245
Grim

>>16995245
So even in the "good old days" the average PhD IQ was still >115? Holy fuck it's so over

Swedish military intelligence tested my iq to be around 130. Unfortunately, I failed the interview part of the psychological evaluation. Kind of a bummer since I TA'd cryptography classes during my PhD. Kind of shocking how they are allowed to discriminate against autistic folkx.

is civil engineering good if i just want a comfy government job

I got a master in Physics, but fell into depression and I have stayed unemployed for almost a year without even attempting to get a job.
Be honest with me:, if I want to get into industry how fucked am I?
I am in Europe so I know that an employment gap isn't as catastrophic as in the US, but logically I don't get why anyone would hire me instead of just getting someone who doesn't have a gap.
Should I just try to apply to shit jobs / work for free just so I can get a foot in the door?

>>16995767
Get PhD

>>16995767
which industry are you thinking about?

>>16995767
Just get a job at the physics factory.

>>16995784
I don't think that's an option. I didn't get very good grades for my master mostly because I had a something of a prolonged mental breakdown during my last two years.

>>16995787
I wanted to do data analysis, but honestly any industry field is fine. However I didn't do a condensed matter master nor did I do a lot of lab stuff so I don't know how doable it is to look elsewhere.

>>16995795
If you mean CERN then I really would prefer not to. I know some people from uni working there who are having the times of their lives and I would probably have a meltdown if I bumped into them and had to explain to them that I have been a complete loser for a year.

>>16995807
If you can get a job at CERN you absolutely should.

>>16995807
How are you a loser if you're working in the same company with similar qualifications

>>16995681
Probably. Water flows down hill and sum of forces equals 0

>>16995767
damn you are my clone I was in the same situation on top of that it was my first real job at 30.
Its not that hard if you still have contacts with your old research group getting a phd is a option but I have found as long as you can prove you have the knowledge they will take you at a low wage. At least GSI and Fraunhofer dont seem to mind all that much since I had a recommendation by my prof but I ended up going to a temp agency instead to have industry experience at a very shitty wage. Getting a directly hired by industry is hard I would not recommend that approach also be ready to move. Finance consulting usually hires physicists even if they are useless.
One year in and you earn normal thats the price you pay.

>>16995898
>tfw had a chance to do a phd at my country's CERN delegation
>tfw decided to stay in national lab instead because I didn't think I'd stick around for the whole PhD anyway and would just go to a better job at some point

>>16996008
>physicists even if they are useless
The seethe LMAO

When I win a lot of people are going to enter a hell they'll never crawl out of. I'm going to make all of this, ALL OF IT, their problem.

>>16996087
Also I'm going to rape my supervisor yadda yadda yadda you know the drill by now MAN I NEED A JOB BADLY!

>>16995245
Old data bring on the newest data

>>16996025
Big yikes. You could have put ex-cern PhD physicist on your LinkedIn.

Im gonna put him in one of those pvc vacuum sealing things

I deeply hate and resent the educational system in my country it has ruined my life multiple times over.

https://www.jeremykun.com/2025/05/12/my-graduate-career-in-math/

Some people live charmed lives beyond all recognition to me. Is this the power of growing up in california?

Starting my bachelors in Pharmacology in September at my dream university. Has anyone got any tips or advice? How fucked am I?
What's the job market looking like in this field

As a software engineer I feel bad for you math and physics folks. I stand on your shoulders to make money but don't contribute my life's work to anybody but my employer. It's pretty selfish, but I selfishly like a decent standard of living and having a family. Not sure how the pure folks outside of academia survive. Respect.

>>16996956
On this sickening faggots newsletter he lists some mathy jobs in this breezy "just look into it and get a job haha" way that I WOULD CRAWL OVER BROKEN GLASS TO GET FUCK YOU

>>16996956
Yes this is rage inducing.

>>16996965
"Physics folks" become R&D engineers and do the same thing you wrote

>>16996956
maybe the guy is actually very good and you are just jealous?

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>>16997029
I'm sure he is and I am, anything else you want to let me know Dr fucking obvious? The point I'm making isn't even about that you utter fucking cretin. Have a clue. I mean Christ obviously I'm jealous and obviously he's good that's so completely unrelated to my point.

Alright onto my next venomous and spiteful comment: what's it like having a positive relationship with your supervisor you fucking cunt?

I'm howling like a hurt animal because that's what I am.

Do hiring managers/ recruiters give a fuck if you use AI to write your resume? I feel like everything in LLM is already what they've been sayign that you need to include in your resume, in fact to me llm written resume sounds a lot more human than what they had been recommending before llms were around, that you stuff it with as many made up kpi and buzzwords that make you seem important. But yeah, my question is, this whole thing seems so fake that i can't imagine how they could sus it out unless you leave the emdashes or the Gemini titles in it.

Using AI to tailor these resumes to what they want is the only way i am gonna get a job,i cant do this shit by hand

>>16997077
I do this religiously and if anything it's only increased my chance of getting called back so yeah I'd get Claude to do it.

>>16997064
>what's it like having a positive relationship with your supervisor you fucking cunt?
My now-dead academic career spanned three supervisors. I wish only the most painful death upon all of them for different reasons.

>>16997111
I was addressing the stranger I have decided to hate for no reason on twitter but welcome to club mi bredduh

>>16994620
>>16994717
how often do they actually check the dates at your old jobs?
i added a year to each to fill some gaps

>>16997077
I went from a 1% reaction rate to job applications to around 15-20% after optimizing my resume with the help of AI. not directly writing, just having it evaluate it from multiple angles and iterating. because the recruiters and hiring managers use the same models to score and filter your resume.

>>16997322
I also made a jinja template and and a generator script with switches and text parameters so I can dynamically include/exclude specific blocks and change some important keywords like job titles and "relocating to <location>"

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>>16997322
>>16997323
If you use latex for your resumes it's such a breeze to modify with Claude, especially if you load a bunch of info about your education and career into the context using projects.

Anyway apropos of the current FURORE about fable not letting you design new Gaussian processes or whatever and how anthropic "doesn't owe you anything" I'll be the first to stand up bravely and say NO. I LOOK LIKE THIS AND ANTHROPIC OWES ME A JOB AFTER I HUMILIATED THEIR MECH INTERP RESEARCHERS AND ALSO THEY OWE ME A GIRLFRIEND.

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Our company just axed most of the R&D dpt. Officially it's
>slimming down to reduce communication overhead
but a manager I am "friends" with said it's because of LLMs.

>>16997350
what was the R&D department doing that they can so easily be replaced by LLMs?

>>16997482
I probed a bit more today, they were largely doing programming (simulations + measurement data processing) and literature review. Both are easily done by LLMs.
They kept the guys who made the measurement setups but asked them to document everything. The fools are preparing their own noose now kek.
They also kept a couple more experienced PhDs, to check LLM outputs I wager.
The pattern follows the software companies. Let's see how it goes.

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Will getting a masters help me get a better job in tech?

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>AI is going to take over our jobs
>Can't even automate simple build chains on its own without guidance
>Can't replace my dumb ass

I am tired of hearing about AI.
I wonder if people thought the same about ATMs or sewing machines (they did).

>>16997786
Case in point, we're using Claude, in insurance. We have to comply by privacy laws and the data stays in Canada apparently, on bedrock. Anyway, I just asked it to redact sensitive data which was coming back from the back end, and it just hid it in the UI. I had to be like no, you idiot, it's still in the network call. You need to redact server side. It was happily leaving us open to getting fined or shut down for non compliance.

>>16997350
>>16997530
I was told that the core staff of RnD departments do not get laid off, but rather the mid-level management staff. Why would a company stop investing into their product pipeline?
>>16997780
Masters in what?
>>16997790
Maybe they would rather continuously pay the fines because it is cheaper than actually investing in quality work.

>$200k
>50 min in the morning, 1.5 hour in the afternoon commute
ugh...kind of crazy that the best company in the industry I'm in was the only one to reply to my job applications...and is also the furthest away.

Anyone in crop science or biotech here? If so how do you like it?

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How is codex so good at Mathematica? It's unreal. It just cracks it open like it's nothing: "oh, it's stuck at this step? No biggie, we will just do it in a slightly different way that will magically work"

>>16997847
Who the hell told you that lol

>>16997950
I forgot his name, but it with a senior industry guy at a small conference. He was old though so it could be outdated info.

>>16997847
>Why would a company stop investing into their product pipeline?
Never underestimate the stupidity and myopic perspectives in bad management.

>>16998027
I don't think anyone is safe from the guillotine

Mistral is one of the most evil companies on earth

Im going to start my online physics MSc this fall. I already have a math PhD and a job. Interested in learning more about Quantum Computing.

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>"don't pigeonhole yourself"

>participate in different activities
>become jack of all trades master of none
>replaced by LLMs right now

>keep pigeonholing
>deep specialist
>once LLMs reach your level you can't pivot in time
>replaced by LLMs a bit later
We are fucked no matter what we do, are we?

>>16998316
10 years too late bro

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>>16998320
Did you know that STEM fags are most wanted in non-STEM jobs related to buying/selling STEM products and STEM services? Customers don't want to shake hands, drink coffee and talk business with a robot, but maybe STEM fags aren't human either and that makes them afraid of not getting a job.

By the way: no amount of certified knowledge, skills or work experience is going to save you when you don't know anyone who is willing to give you a chance. They rather hire people they get along with and suck at their job than a random autist with amazing performance.

In other words: nepotism is a bigger threat than AI, but that's just my uneducated opinion as a non-STEM fag.

>>16998330
>opinion as a non-STEM fag.
who asked for your opinion on anything, mongrel? the average engineering PhD is a better manager, salesman, writer and graphic designer than the typical nondescript arts and humanities grad simply because you have to pitch, sell and hustle to survive the funding grind

>>16998330
Do STEM sales and services sales make good money?

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>>16998361
>the average engineering PhD is better
Did I claim otherwise? I know that STEM fags don't read as much text as non-STEM fags so I'm going to help you read again:
>Did you know that STEM fags are most wanted in non-STEM jobs
Although I'm now beginning to suspect that you have a hard time doing the math as well, because non-STEM fags start hustling way earlier since their curriculum gives them lots of free time and they are well aware that they're in danger of ending up in a mcjob.

>>16998366
Look it up for your specific country and circumstances. As far as I know in the world of construction (public administration, contractors, manufacturers) there's a shortage of managers with technical knowledge of civil engineering and electrical engineering so if you enjoy organizing construction projects in whatever role (procurement, sales, leadership, consulting, support) there's a good chance of finding a job and moving up the ladder with a middle class income. Unfortunately such a middle class income does not buy the American dream anymore but it does prevent the American nightmare of dead end jobs and prolonged unemployment.

>>16998320
a bit later > right now

>>16998385
>words words words
bro ain't nobody readin allat why are u even here

>>16998392
Apparently you don't find it helpful that I'm pointing out some job opportunities for STEM graduates but maybe someone else will. Why are you trying to discourage me by pretending to speak for every possible reader of tis thread?

>>16998402
I don't think anyone ITT is dumb enough to believe anyone would give genuine advice in this hellhole of economy

>>16997847
>I was told that the core staff of RnD departments do not get laid off, but rather the mid-level management staff. Why would a company stop investing into their product pipeline?

RnD is expensive today and may or may not pay off tomorrow so it's an easy target for the chopping block when the numbers need to add up yesterday.

Big heavily invested RnD departments are sort of a past phenomenon in general. Big companies can just buy promising startups/competitors rather than incubating themselves. My shithole country has a decent amount of deep tech startups, usually they do not get to scale because they get bought off beforehand.

>>16998412
Not all of us are crabs in a bucket

>>16997883
the only time i didn't have a 50+ min commute to job/school in my life was when i lived on college campus
And I guess in kindergarten my school was like a 20 minute walk

Thinking of becoming a health inspector? Seems like all you need are a few basic science courses and some more advanced ones like organic chemistry. Anyone have any experience in this field?

>>16997780
depends on field and location.
t. have master in physics still a neet.

My career was vaccine injured

>>16995608
>discriminate against autistic
This is really strange. For reasons, I am reliably informed that the crypto community is full of rampaging autists. Even your anime plushies that I remember you have shown us, would not disqualify you.

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>>16997780
>>16997847
>>16998813

Comp sci or some shi. Got into a program, I haven't enetred any courses yet but after looking at how much time I'd have to invest + work I feel like making portfolio projects would have a better RoI and avoid the academia BS/power tripping narcissists.

I wanna do remote embbeded/robotics so IoT/Edge/Simulated robotics, some fields are gated off (as in you need a Msc or higher on job postings) like simulated robotics. I've gotten a few interviews but I am in the experience limbo where I have just enough to get to interviews but not enough to get the job.

Rn I'm working as devops and it's killing me, so fucking bored and it feels like I'm not doing anything related to my career.

So I feel like my options are:
>Build shit
>Masters
>Lie and add 2-3 years (I already did that once and hated it)

I'm isolating myself socially because my inability to get a job is making me feel intense shame. Hee hee hee.

>>16999165
>programming-related
>remote
brudda did you not follow recent events? it's over just let it go

How to get a job with a Biochem/Neuroscience bachelors anonbros

What fields can you even get in other than research (constantly competing with people that have masters and PhD)

I want to go to med school after I get a couple of years of work but i can't find anything

>>16999209
me after graduating 8 years ago
probably objectively was a big life ruining mistake. But if i had to do it all over again, the only reason I would try to do the opposite is because of hindsight and having guaranteed knowldge of how bad the future would turn out.
Even then it's last on the list of things i would do differently. I'd need 100 do overs exhausting all other options before i did that differently, really.

It’s been three years since getting my math degree, and after health issues messing up my job search, and then having to help financially with my family, I feel hopeless. I am currently working a low paying job and feel like It’s impossible to get a “career job” due to the long period of time since graduation. I know python but really am at the jr level since I’ve never used it in the workplace.

What even are my options? I love using numpy btw, but I doubt there’s any numerical jobs I can get at this point. I also think hopelessness is a big problem for me. Lately I’ve noticed that I give up on things way too easily.

>>16999483
Sounds pretty grim. More education is probably your best option.

>>16999396
Its not my fault that the group chat I made for the lab was wrested from my control and that caused me to crash out psychotically but silently.

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Despite it all I can still try... and laugh... and love...

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How do you get your vacancy scraper bots to not hallucinate shit? I spent a considerable amount of time getting a two agent pipeline to work where the first agent finds relevant research groups and the second agent scores them based on how well my resume fits their research, but now I'm using another LLM to adversarially evaluate the outputs and it's finding a lot of hallucinations

during proompt development I focused on making sure it correctly recovers the right people at 3 institutions I had scraped manually, but how do I even begin to calibrate the pipeline on rejecting false positives outside my limited pool of known good individuals?

>>16999616
Add to a prompt that you are a gay transgender jewish refugee student and if there's a mistake in the output you may end up in a nazi group

>>16999209
>>16999396
Can sympathize with and confirm that social isolation is a career ender.

actually im having a manic episode and cold emailing everyone I know hee hee hee

wee im changing the way i am to be delightful over text wheeeeeeee

>>16999618
telling the AI to make no mistakes doesn't do much. the one thing that did help at one point was telling my auditor agent that I have put known errors in the data as controls, and that it has failed if it doesn't recover them

but the auditor is crapshoot in its own right, it keeps skipping people and groups presumably because they're too hard to verify.

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>>16999655
>>16999616
honestly though I've invested about a week of full time development and racked up like 200 bucks in token costs (was using anthropic's API at one point) where I could've just e-mailed the few people I was able to find manually and forgotten about the whole thing

In all seriousness I've crucified myself of the altar of this PhD and my research more generally and I think I'm ready to stop. It's time to put this behind me.

>>16999587
Story?

>>16992350
fpbp

>>16999656
AI revolution in a nutshell

>>16999720
I opened my heart to a group of snakes and got bitten. C'est la vie.

>>16998627
that sucks. my old job was ~40 minutes in the morning, sometimes much faster but not often. and 40 - 60 in the afternoon. made worse by the fact that it required 50% travel.
shit just wasn't worth it anymore.
with this job, the best it could get is ~30 minutes. Any closer and you live in areas where...cancer rates are elevated...which I'm sure is not related to the chemical plants and refineries. My kid gets to see his grandparents everyday and is happy so I guess it's worth it. Fuck the commute sometimes, tho.

My commute is 15 min in the morning and 45 minute in the afternoon. I still don't understand why traffic is so much slower in the afternoons.

It's kind of frustrating how entire fields are dominated by literal scam and money-grubbing research because this is where the money is, either through direct industry grants or indirect government lobbying. I get it, science doesn't need to always have an utilitarian direction, science sometimes just has to be about science, but as someone whose field is energy materials it's utterly annoying how much effort and funding the fossil fuel industry pours into bullshit red hering pseudo-tech, ultimately with the goal to frustrate advances in actual and viable long-term Green energy technology and prolong their own existence, such as carbon capture, water-splitting, e-fuels or any subpar solution to an energy problem that tries to avoid electrical energy storage for some reason. Don't even get me started on the whole hydrogen scam and I am saying this as someone who has worked in fuel cell projects.

>>17000265
>in actual and viable long-term Green energy technology
Such as?

>>17000265
We are essentially deep into stagnation
https://igwiki.lyci.de/wiki/Stagnation
Once upon a time, the best and brightest were working in defence, space travels, healthcare and hard tech. Today, this doesn't pay and postdocs are paid as much as burger flippers. Instead, advertising pays a lot and these companies are willing to pay premium for talents. The result is inevitable and quite visible today.

>>17000251
My commute is 40 minutes walking plus 1 hour on a train, each way.
>I still don't understand why traffic is so much slower in the afternoons.
People arrive at work at different times depending on appointments but leave as soon as the workday is over. That means a spread in the morning and a ruch in the afternoon.

>>17000365
>postdocs are paid as much as burger flippers
postdocs generate less value than burger flippers

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Today's positive affirmation.

>>16999165
Don't even try if you don't have top tier social connections. The best jobs are 100% reserved for nepo babies. If you are not one you will have to compete with 100 million jeets happy to earn US minimum wage.

>>16999165
>has a job
>thinks he can complain
I'm sorry would you like to go shovel coal, work food service, or go back to get an associates in nursing with all the other CompSci masters?

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>4000 word lit review due by friday
>800 words done
>the two papers i selected for discussion aren't even that good and i might have to scrap them
I'm so done with this pointless hoop jumping.
my conclusion ?
this is; gay, retarded and pointless on a grand scale and i will procrastinate until Thursday before urgently running said papers through chat gpt for analysis and then converting it into non-ai speak.
then i'm going to play video games and consume alcohol until my eyes bleed and i can forget about how worthless my life is.

>>16999331
>I want to go to med school after I get a couple of years of work but i can't find anything
you should've just gone to medschool first then.
there a few master's programmes that will spec you for a specific role in medicine, but it usually depends on your BSc and any relevant experience you've had in the meantime.
I graduated with a BioMed with a specialty in parasitology and after working in social care for two years got onto a new MSc.
>>16999209
welcome to life in the 21st century.
wait until you are in your late 20's and living with your parents, you will think about suicide everyday.
as always, japan was 20 years ahead with hikikomori's.

>>17001007
I am thirty years old and yet I am just getting ready to start my life. Ha haa ho hooo. Ya gotta laugh! Or I'd Cry!

>Gearing up for my PE exam (Power)
>studying like a mad man
>I have done 7 problem sets
>10 more to go and a practice exam
>just 5 months away from the test
I feel like I'm going overkill on this... Guess we will find out

>>17001027
Read the room dude

What did you losers expect? You got a gold star in elementary school and you thought you were special?

>>17001069
But but I was called special anon? A soul older than my years. Are you telling me my overworked teacher just said that to get my parents of their back? I can even solve the new 4chan captcha

>>17001069
I expected not to be persecuted beyond all reason

Thousands of people died terrible deaths today even though they did everything right. There is no justice in this world or the next. Bad things happens to good people for no reason. Chaos Reigns. Dust and decay and rotting flesh.

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I really regret studying a science major (chemistry). I wish I had studied engineering or finance or at least something that adds monetary value to society. I wanna get rich already!!!! I don't care anymore!!!!

should've gone all in on bitcorns when it started

>>17001293
follow your passions

don't be a filthy jew

if you have no passions, simply kill yourself and save time

>>17001293
literally just fucking walk onto the nearest off-shore oil rig, refinery or pharmaceutical synthesis plant, give them a firm handshake and enjoy your 100k starting job?

>>17001743
Unfortunately, I don't speak Chinese.

>>17001293
Any kind of science degree is a meme. All knowledge is already replaced by LLMs. For now they'll need technicians to do hands-on work that LLMs tell to do but you don't need a degree for this. Soon, even that will be automated.

> Fraunhofer sents no response to my application
> after I emailed twice
yeah its over. Just reassures me that I never fit into these high end institutes idk how others do it.

>>17002100
>fraunhofer
they almost never hire outsiders
you never stood a chance
>>17002079
this sadly

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Lmao at my fucking life and career.

>>17002079
on the way, but not yet
i have to constantly drive the bioinfo data analysis with my own view and ideas in codex gpt 5.5
on its own it is stumbling around blind and if you pose a nontrivial yes/no question it's a coin toss if it gets it right

>>17002100
It's more dangerous to piss off a professor

>>17002222
yes, goy, continue to generate more training data until you and your descendants become unnecessary meat

>>17002116
>they almost never hire outsiders
>you never stood a chance
I dont get what their standards probably just want young blood and I am too old. Could have at least given a feedback.
Job search as a physicists fucking sucks and programming seems like a dead end nowadays...

>>17002116
>they almost never hire outsiders
A clear sign of academic inbreeding. Avoid.,

>>17002222
wut job also checked

How do I integrate AI into my mechanical engineering design pipeline?
I'm a fresh graduate starting as a design engineer. I guess I could learn how to automate powerpoints and emails, anything else?

>>17002401
Personally would not get AI to make materials presented directly to others (such as powerpoints and emails). People can tell and will instantly lose respect. It also can and will make shit up and be confidently wrong.

Recently started to see ads for LLMs doing CAD. Seems like it would have obvious limitations but if/when that works it will remove a lot of bitch work.

When I prototype basic shit I use AI to tell me what bits I need to buy (this motor with this driver and this controller available from this retailer near me), basic wiring diagrams and software/scripts to get started (install these dependencies, paste these scripts into these places). For simple things it works really well like 90% of the time and saves around 90% of the effort. The less trivial your task the less reliable the clankers. But in reality there are a lot of trivial tasks that just soak up time and that is where the bots are best.

>>17002412
You're right about the presentations, lookinh like AI is offputting. I was wondering like what if I produce the images and text myself and have the AI style my slides? Like scale everything nicely and put stuff in the right places, maybe add some shapes and colors. I guess powerpoint already kind of has that feature in the design assistant or whatever.
I've already been using AI as a google replacement etc. for basic level questions and component search like you mentioned.

>>17001293
>finance
>adding monetary value to society

>>16992282
I think I'm fairly intelligent but due to a variety of factors I ended up having huge issues growing up and as an adult like low motivation, trouble focusing, and procrastination, among others. I ended up with a sub 3.0 GPA when I got my engineering degree, so I had a hard time finding a job I wanted. Now I'm doing a job they advertised to me as an "engineer" role but as I went through onboarding I realized I basically got myself into a very marginally engineering-adjacent job that's mostly blue collar/trades work.

How do I get myself out of this situation? Just because I had a shit GPA in college due to being depressed a lot of the time, I might have to spend the rest of my career maybe never doing any real engineering? Surely that can't be the case. help

>>16996965
Well I don’t survive, that’s the trick. Money is gonna run out soon and my country is a very bad place for jobs, people like to see educated people fail here, so it’s a leisurely stroll down to the rope shop for me kek

>>17001069
Well this is attempted murder by society, denying someone a way to feed themselves is the same as attempting to kill them, and my thoughts of what should be done about this are probably illegal to type out.

>>17002490
You have a job during the mass culling event. You’re fine. Most others ITT appear to be struggling far more than you.

>>17002412
>People can tell
Most can't and a large portion of those who can would say
>excellent use of AI!

>>17002401
>>17002412
this is the exact wrong approach. if you use AI to do the core parts of your work then you'll be stuck being responsible for them.
>>17002116
>fraunhofer
>they almost never hire outsiders
how do you become an insider?

can someone tell me how fucked I am if I only have a master degree in chemistry but zero work experience at 30? I will graduate in 1 month and so far zero bites neither from industry nor from academia wondering if I should just do a phd...

>>16992282
I messed up my early career.
I joined a no name company I really liked working for. Even though I did all the LLM/VLM shit people want to see, Im unhireable.
I started so well, internship at NVIDIA, EPFL MSc, a first author pub.

But because I spent one year in a company I liked in a country I liked (japan), its impossible for me to find a job fitting my caliber back home.

I want to kms, why did I chose a hypercompetitive field. Wish I was born in the US so I could at least have 5 quadrillion jobs in high tech I could apply to and not just LLM / SaaS slop jobs in EU/Japan.

>>16992514
If your founder isnt some MIT kid or an ex-Jane Street dont even bother, or youll end up like me.
I genuinely believe a postdoc is better for you, industry research collaborations can open a lot of doors. But a startup signals that you basically found nothing better even though you decided to leave the vocational route: i.e. you lost on both sides.

>>17002296
>no name
>no name
>no name
>no name
truly joever

>>17002639
>job fitting my caliber
kek stop sniffing your own farts faggot

>>17002639
The interviews are fucking brutal too, different stuff each time and totally impossible to guess what they might ask.

>>17002401
I'm an EE working in power.
All the recent zoomer grads we hire come in and immediately start trying to "automate" everything. In every meeting they don't even talk about anything related to power, everything they mention is always about "Python" and "APIs." It's like they're completely disconnected from the actual work we do and they're just on a mission to blow everyone away with their "automation" skills that no one ends up using.
They have no clue what they're doing, they don't understand even the basics of the core job, and everyone else at the office thinks of them as giant lolcows without them realizing it. It reminds me of a retard who watched a speedrun on youtube and then tries to be a speedrunner without understanding any of the glitches or how the levels work.
I know this will fall on deaf ears, I'm just posting this for my own ruminations.

>>17002757
you are just afraid to be automated out of your job gramps

>>17002639
>I started so well, internship at NVIDIA, EPFL MSc, a first author pub.
>But because I spent one year in a company I liked in a country I liked (japan), its impossible for me to find a job fitting my caliber back home

Get your head out your ass. If that's how it went you likely were never particularly high caliber to begin with. It's easy to think that way in university before you are forced to interface with reality.

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>>17002490
This is basically me but I graduate next year. I work as an intern at a small company (~26 employees) thinking I'd design or test cool shit but I'm literally doing assembly tier work, today I was shearing brass plates to laminate coils. I heard from an engineer that the same week they were looking for a shop intern I emailed them and I think they decided to hire me instead as an everyman assistant or something.
The reddit cope is that work experience beats GPA but how do you get quality work experience without going to some large competitive companies with designated internship programs

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How do you deal with getting literally impossible work assignments by incompetent managers?

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>>17002757

>>17003053
you push back and tell them. it's hilarious to me that most niggercattle never learn the basic fact that you can just talk back to anybody. managers usually don't actually have much in the way of coercive power over you, they rely on instinctive compliance and bluffs.

of course if you make a habit of being a doormat and decide to stand up one time they can probably find a way to fuck you over. the trick is that you have to make it a general habit to always push back at least a bit on anything you disagree with and they just get used to it.

>>17002639
>just got hired in a startup in japan
is it over for me bros??

can we admit that LLM's have realistically made 80~% of researcher's useless ?
I get it, you shouldn't trust it entirely, always base policies or technology off of actual human verified study / research, its not a magical definitive solution and it isn't going to make mass unemployment possible, yada yada yada.
BUT that fact that the majority of undergrad students use and get away with using them for submitting assessments kind of proves they are "good enough" for a lot of research now (and how redundant a lot of higher education is in the modern age).
If i were a STEM venture capitalist, i'd be plugging big amounts of money into studying the effect AI will have on creating a generation of retards who became "scientists".

This month I get/got my PhD (defense already happened, bureaucracy following it is not done, yet). Just letting you know, STEM bros.

>>17003185
>undergrad students use and get away with using them for submitting assessments kind of proves they are "good enough" for a lot of research now
how? undergrad students aren't doing research, retard

>>17003185
Your undergrad argument is off, but most people have already admitted AI will replace pretty much every white collar job. There are a few copers as usual, but once they fail to find a job for a year they'll understand.
I am already switching to a 100% hand-on profession completely different from my PhD and career. Yeah the pay is lower but it's better than 0 a year later.

>get B.S. in Biological Sciences
>fill out hundreds of applications
>maybe one or two hits
Alright fuck it, gonna get an M.S.

>>17003220
research = Lit Reviews, Research Assignments
I probably should've worded that better.
>>17003223
I was initially against them, and in some instances I still think they aren't appropriate, but to deny their usefulness in answering specific niche technological questions is pointless, obviously if it's very important don't do it, but for everything else ?
I still don't think it's going to be the end of mankind though, it'll simply become a supplemental tool for the masses and a dangerous propaganda facet for governments.
whatever they said in metal gear solid 2 kinda thing.

>>17003224
That's a given. If you want to actually escape gainful employment for a career, a Master degree is the new norm.

>>17003224
Yeah bro, get a PhD afterwards it'll def help bro

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Will the feeling of wanting to go back to school (tm) ever disappear?

>>17003261
why would you feel that way?

How are you going to be a recently emigrated russian giving me a hard time in an interview. Get to the fucking frontline petrov theres a drone with your name on it

>>17003255
I make more money doing blue collar work than a bachelors position could ever offer, hence the masters.

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>>17003266
hate work. love school. simple as.

I should have loved school but I was bullied relentlessly and persecuted for simply being myself even up to the tender age of 29 years old by normies

I lowkirkuenly believe that my fantastic hairline and generally handsome appearance works against me when applying for jobs. It certainly doesn't help when my not so faithful interlocuter is a clocky troon with a norwood 6 million

>>17003279
Me at 33, but I live in a one bedroom apartment. It's a grim life.

>>17003279
It's what phd studies are for

>>17003311
already did that.

>>17003224
Every single one of those applications was submitted with private companies, right? Take the government employment pill.

>>17003216
my condolences. i sincerely hope it is not in mathematics.

>>17003284
just do distance learning

>>17003352
I dodged maths [spoiler]It's stats[/spoiler]

>>17003284
I would just go to the nearby bar to school and drink after class. I'll be doing that again this upcoming semester.

Why do people get PhDs instead of MBAs?

>>17003820
PhDs are entry level formal requirements for science. It's is a necessary -- but not sufficient -- condition for employment.

>>17003821
What age do I have my phd

>>17003820
A PhD is what you get, so other PhDs respect you
>>17003822
Whenever you're both willing and ready

>>17003820
Some people would rather interact with smart assholes rathen than rich dumb assholes

>>17002757
holy Luddite xd
Automation is the future frfr cuh

>>17003822
if you're american, 25-26
if you're *rop*an, 27-31 depending on the country and program

burgers don't know how good they have it, starting uni at 17 and getting to do a 4 year phd right after a 4 year bsc. in many eurocunts you have to do a 3-5 year bsc/beng, THEN a 1-2 year msc, THEN a 4 year phd. plus in half the continent you only start uni at 18 or 19

>>17003881
for a specific example: i got my phd the day before I turned 30
>9 semester BEng - but intake for MSc only starts on the year sharp so might as well be full 5 years
>4 semester MSc
>3.5 year phd (slightly under 3 years to actually finish it and half a year of waiting for the bureaucracy to actually churn through and hold my defense)

>>17003881
Probably like half of lab science phds in the USA have to be technicians or get master's for 1-3 years before they're competitive enough to get into a phd program now anon. Actually, most fellow phd students in my program that I know have work experience as a techncian or some technical role at a company. I'm going to finish at 28 (5 year phd). We're not much better in terms of timing, just money. Which is very nice and allows me to actually do experiments I want to do; still happy doing my phd here.

Is there a point in going into STEM anymore if you're not doing machine learning?

>>17003986
ML is the new blockchain

I got my PhD at 32 but I spent one year at military service and worked for 1.5 years between master's and starting PhD. Ultimately, it did not matter since I was retarded and did my PhD in mathematics.

>>17003986
CS is not the only field in STEM. What good is ML is you want to work in a wet lab?

>>17004082
Most research projects today are: X with ML/AI. Physics + ML, Chemistry + ML, mathematics + ML.

I made myself into a stunted half human tool for capital and then it decided it didn't need me.

>>17004084
Yeah but that's just the grift.

>>17004229
Yeah, that is like 99% of grants.

>>17003881
I started uni at 17 and I'll proabably start my masters at 25, graduated a year late and been working for a year since I'm retarded

>>17003986
ML is dead too, transformers were the final step, there is nothing to improve on except for compute power

Question: can a fucked up retard with non-funny style autism who spent the majority of his childhood (more like chudhood) either not in school or in special ed get a job at a frontier AI lab?

I'm a student in his second semester of CS and it's going very well so far. I realized I don't like programming very much though, but I fell in love with maths, especially the logic/proof side. I wasn't ready to abandon my love for computers since childhood so I shifted to a joint CS/math program, starting next semester. (I'll be taking core CS classes and advanced mathematics like real analysis and abstract algebra, with many upper year math electives) But my question is: if I already know I don't like coding, should I GTFO of CS immediately? I dread the thought of being a "software developer" in some years. It's just that, if I don't do CS, I literally have no idea what to do with a math degree, and I still love the idea of doing maths through a computer that an army of mathematicians could never do, but the idea of sitting down and making search algorithms or software for a bank make me want to quit my studies on the spot.

Thanks in advance.

>>17004378
I was going to say "I wouldn't worry about it because in all likelihood you will end up a software engineer of some kind anyway" but even that is like hens teeth these days. Do whatever you want and leave this place to the real sickos.

>>17004392
What's the difference in taking a lot of maths while you're studying CS or not? No one gives a shit? I want to do a masters after the bachelors and someone told me that lots of math helps getting the spot. But what's the point of all these studies if you end up just coding?

>>17004407
I know a guy that has a phd in symplectic geometry from a great university, solo published multiple papers and he still works as a software eng. The job market for academics is tough you've got to have some backup plan.

>>17004407
>what's the point
Ever heard about pyramid schemes? You need to recruit x number of students to advance to the next level.

>>17004411
yeah... hopefully "software engineering" isn't as boring as I think it might be.
>>17004435
what do you mean advance to the next level? who advances to what?

>>17004368
70 IQ indians can get AI jobs so yes

>>17004483
Your supervisor, him graduating PhDs will be part of what he's evaluated on as an academic.

Why are university students struggling so hard in finding jobs? Is it a knock-off effect of universities shifting to an education for profit systems which created way too many "brain" workers for the amount of positions you can even have in a society? I don't understand how it doesn't just reduce the wage until there's an equilibrium, cause if you do get a job you're still paid very well, so either you make it and get a good pay or don't and get literally nothing. I feel like most university students would prefer to work at like 40k a year in their field instead of having to go flip burgers. Or you could go work on a construction site right out of high school and be fine. Isn't this essentially directly showing that this idea that more education is always better for a society simply wrong? You can just go work on a construction site at 18 and have a much more stable financial life (until you blow out your back but that's a different subject).

Where I live it seems the government rushes in to employ any decent (based on GPA), non-international university student immediately after school through programs, which I guess is to prevent educated individuals from becoming NEETs or burger flippers, which makes sense just in terms of managing human capital, I mean you have these individuals who haven't been paying (or very little) taxes for 5+ years, which you've invested in through interest-free loans, grants and a spot in a university seat that could have gone to a foreigner for 5x the price. You may as well just swoop them up as public sector employees and have them do some work I guess.

Or is it just STEM that's oversaturated? I don't think you have issues finding a job being a doctor or something but I don't know.

>>17004507
Is some countries there aren't enough early career training positions for doctors either.

>>17004507
>I don't understand how it doesn't just reduce the wage until there's an equilibrium
We don't live in a society of open and free competition.

I'm on my knees praying. Please lord let me put "Member of Technical Staff" in my resume soon before I turn into even more of an inhuman monster than I already am.

>>17004507
Specifically junior/entry level workers are currently getting shafted. They mostly do not generate much value but were worth having for getting mid-career talent down the line and for outsourcing bitch work to so the seniors could be more productive. If you can outsource the bitch work to AI and just recruit seniors, the idea presumably is to let someone else hold the bag of training a low-output employee until they leave for better pay.

There also is the question of what time scale you would expect such an equilibrium to form on. Wages are sticky downwards, as is well known to economists.

>>17004843
>equilibrium
Pendulum is now returning:
>‘We created a monster’: companies rein in AI usage as costs strain budgets
https://archive.is/n6oyt
>The ride-hailing company has introduced usage caps, limiting employees to $1,500 in monthly token spending on individual AI tools, after blowing through its entire AI 2026 budget by April.

>>17004875
Don't worry, useful idiots in STEM would come up with some method to reduce costs and make themselves even more replaceable

>>17004911
at some level that's just the march of technological progress. there was a time where you could make a living out of being really good at arithmetic, this hasn't been true since computers were invented. should they have not been(without having an anti-technology Kaczynski view)?

>>17004843
Well why is junior pay so high then if they produce no value yet?
Seems like an obvious solution, lower starting wages that eventually increase with performance year after year.

>>17004917
that's exactly what I was thinking when I wrote this part
>I feel like most university students would prefer to work at like 40k a year in their field instead of having to go flip burgers.
people do literal unpaid internships just to get a chance of working in their fields so you'd think so.
>>17004687
>We don't live in a society of open and free competition.
made me think and the reason I can come up with is that they don't want "university prestige" jobs to lose their value too much (cause who would go do 4 years in a technical field to get paid minimum wage) to get people in the university system. And for nepo hires. Much easier to justify "oh he just got the job (100k yearly)" than "he's making 100k for the job you're getting 30k for... reasons..."

>>17004917
>Well why is junior pay so high then if they produce no value yet?
Is it? In my current shithole (nordic) and former shithole (uk) junior pay for my field, and most fields, is basically burger flipper pay. Maybe 1.5 burger flippers if you're lucky, and you can argue that one with you having the potential to both flip burgers and update excel spreadsheets.

Any German anon in fusion research? Is the funding for it real or just scam? Trying to decide where I should place my thesis to not end up a neet getting hired in this economy seems hopeless.

>>17005091
>germany
>not solar or wind

>>17005180
>not solar or wind
I had a lecture on that by one of the top researchers of the power grid a couple years back. Was called complex renewable european energy networks. Good lecture I can recommend it as a physicists I had a lot of fun.
Its funny how they implement his ideas or the topics the lecture was about in the worst way possible until now. The point of the lecture was that solar and wind in Germany alone cannot work if you want a industrial nation without huge costs. If you slowly transition for example by cutting off Russian gas over decades the pain is less however note that the calculation were made with 2ct/kW for gas. At the end of the day however it does not work without huge cutbacks or a pan European grid. The latter is the option he shilled for however he did not seem to realize that would basically result in Germany exporting its problem across all of Europe.
His reasoning in the lecture was that sooner or later the other states would catch up and support Germany like it has done with others. I dont think thats a good assumption to make ....

So all the data centers going up
They must need engineer to help build them and stuff right? Why don't I have a job

>>17004911
Several solutions are already underway such as using cheaper or locally runing AIs that don't gobble that many tokens, or using a handful expensive agents to marshal huge swarms of cheap agents.

In any case, >>17004915 is right, and the pendulum will never return to where it was 5 years ago. We just have to figure out how to live in this new world. I work in a consultancy and newer services at the high end is a topic. Symptomatically, few if any of the leaders have figured this out and most appear like deers caught in the headlights. People with an idea of what to do are talking about setting up a new shop.

Why yes, I will use Grok to answer your preliminary hiring questions for your 6-figure data job that I have rudimentary skills for.