artemis 3 editionprevious >>16998801
It is going nose to nose though
It's going to be on the nose and they will test putting load on it for when starship TLI's with orion, actually more interesting than I was expecting the starship-agena docking test to be
i didnt keep up with the news. did nasa switch to spacex after new glenn blew up?
>>17001203All options are on the table
as a SpaceX investor, I will be lobbying my representatives to pick SpaceX for all contracts!
>>17001203The plan now is to put a QI drive on a Virgin Galactic plane and that becomes the LEO lander test bed. Neutron will then launch a completed Blue Moon Mk2.0
>>17001207based
>>17001207kek
>>17001206based and spacefaring civilization-pilled
i heard earth just got its first trillionaire
>>17001219Not just Earth. First trillionaire in the whole solar system
flight 13 status?
>>170012292027 if we are lucky
>>17001229there's nothing noticeable going on
>>17001231Even a monthly launch rate feels so far away man.
>>17001231you're telling me 80 billion in money infusion and it isn't speeding anything up?
>>17001234thanks for playing :)
>>17001234do they even have access to the capital yet?
>>17001234Money was never a problem for starship development. Maybe they can build more towers, but it won't make starship work better.
>>17001234That's only 4 months of AI spending
>>17001197Don't use lunar ice as a propellant you absolute morons.....Just use Aluminum oxide refined by solar thermal energy......YOU FUCKING IDIOTS!!!!>Hey Chat GPT: "don't use lunar ice as propellant, use aluminum oxide instead">ChatGOOGLE: "Using aluminum as an in-situ resource propellant (often combined with liquid oxygen or ice) prevents the depletion of scarce lunar water reserves. Lunar regolith contains roughly 10%-27% alumina (Al2O3), which can be refined into pure metal and oxygen for long-term lunar operations"AlO reduced thermally gets you aluminum and oxygen, which you can use as propellant off of the moon, which the combustion products mostly fall back onto THE FUCKING MOON.
>>17001250>al2o3 to aloask your retardbox what the thermal requirements are for such a conversion
>>17001246>Money was never a problemHow?By Elon liquidating tesla stocks like Bezos does with BO?Spacex spends more money than they make right now.
Spcx market cap now higher than microsofthttps://x.com/zerohedge/status/2066687549725196386?s=20
>>17001264ok now we're going overboard
>>17001250>>17001251Al refinement is so energy intensive it's largely only done on Earth in a few specific places with incredibly cheap hydro power, it sucks
>>17001276Shorts getting squeezed.
>>17001261They have been raising money regularly since forever which is why Google owns piece of spacex.
>>17001295>Elon company>thinking it will be logical market The winning move is not to play the game.
>>17001295
>>17001295The past tense of "short squeeze" is "shart squoze"
space sex
So if you bought last friday and held till (probably end of today) you will have doubled your money? How is this real life?
>>17001295He's already lost $40000? I know what shorts are, but I don't understand these numbers
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PW5n3ZnEJN0
>spacex turned into shitcoinAnd I thought tesla was bad.
>>17001318He sold $40,000 worth shares he didn't own, counting on the price to go down so he could buy them back and return them to the brokerIf the price goes up much more, his capital which I think is $80,000 will be automatically used to back the shares
>>17001318He lost $12% of his $40k investment in one day at the time of the screenshot, closer to 15% now.
>>17001331Ship 67 and 69 next year?
Cmon japs, render Starship useless
Options gamma squeeze should set off another gigapump today. Expect to close well north of $260.
>>17001317>So if you bought last fridaywere you part of the chosen tribe that had access to it?
>>17001345Not him, but I decided on a whim on the last day of the IPO to buy some. I applied for 1000 shares but received 420
>>17001345Anyone with an actual investment account with one of big boys got about 1/4 of their requested shares allocated. I got around 300.
>/sfg/ - Space & Flight general
>>17001234It’s already going insanely fast for a project with this level of ambition.Blorgin took 14 years to build a slightly better falcon 9 (if you ignore the blatantly inconsistent performance compared to F9)
>>17001347I've heard anywhere from 1 solitary share no matter your request (Robin Hood), to around 40% from most brokers.
>>17001295HAHAHAHAHAHAThis is going to generate a new generation of retarded spacexQ lolcows, i can’t wait.
>>17001347shalom
>>17001348It turns out spaceflight can make you wealthy. Elon earned more money from today's pump than Jeff has in his entire life. >>17001352Makes sense, Robin Hood likely got them second hand from one of the underwriters and didn't have nearly enough to meet demand.
>>17001353Too big to fail.>>17001353Just like TSLA am I right?
Teslas in space
>>17001361You replied to the same post twice.>just like TSLAYes, that’s what i meant, a good chunk of the EDSers today are a result of midwits losing money by trying to gamble shorting tesla.
>jeff said no to BO employee stock optionsYou can't even make this shit up.https://www.ft.com/content/00db424b-be85-404f-a083-59ad551ad20dhttps://archive.ph/GJyxd
>>17001348Stocks & Finance General
>>17001363>You replied to the same post twice.Apparently you were two people in my mind. Bankrupt tickers usually trade with the Q suffix so I misunderstood the post.
>>17001379he doesn't want any dilution, but I do think he is wrong about the motivation for recruitmenteven if it wasn't the number one priority for people, then doing something important and then getting paid well to do it if you succeed is much better than choosing between doing something important vs getting paid wellwhy would anybody choose to work for BO instead of SpaceX if they had the choice? you will attract the people that care about a stable paycheck, but don't have much motivation to go beyond
>>17001379giving your staff stock in the company seems a really good way of having them care even more about how well it does and tying them even more closely in to the whole thing.id say Jeff missed out on a smart move.
Cancel Starship.
>>17001379>elon shares his company with the mexican welder army>rewarded by becoming the industry leader and a trillionaire>jeff tries to run BO like AMZN>new glenn blown up by divine retribution and falling further behind
They bought cursorhttps://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2026-06-16/spacex-cements-60-billion-deal-to-take-over-ai-startup-cursor
>>17001379>>17001397The Emperor protects the pure of heart and condemns the greedy
>>17001385>he doesn't want any dilutionEmployee stock options should result in minimal dilution and he is talking about raising capital at the same time? Does he think we're stupid? This is going to hurt them significantly whereas the SPCX IPO is going to help retention and reduce people leaving due to burnout.
>>17001399I use cursor as part of my job. The entire company switched to it because co-pilot was retarded and useless.
>>17001401i wouldn't say its minimal, at tesla and spacex I think its like 0.5-1% per yearthat is pretty significant
>>17001404So set it to 0.2% and taper it off as the company matures, it's better than saying "here's a McDonalds gift card and an extra bathroom break for your hard work".
>ynr EmDrive
>>17001399I expected that all the money will go to AI scam. Maybe some scraps will be left for spaceflight.
>>17001197I kinda hate it when Scott uses the shitty ahh KSP graphics, it makes it look unprofessional and cringe. I will take this over slop though
>>17001412no cap?
>>17001407I wasn't disagreeing with you generally speaking, just about the specific characterization of the dilution not being "significant"
>>17001410they are going to use spacex stock as the medium of exchange, not cashso the higher spacex rockets now in the short term, the cheaper Anysphere/Cursor will be because the deal is pinned to the 60bil dollar valuation
>>17001246the ground infrastructure *is* the bottleneck, even if everything goes rightthey're planning to eventually produce one ship per day and have a one day total turnaround time between launchesthey would need 365 towers one year after hitting that ratethat's ignoring that they need as much methane and LOX as possiblethey need like 50 launch sites ASAP
>>17001340fully retarded post
>>17001421>they would need 365 towers do you think towers only work once a year or something, genuinely confused how you came to such a figure
https://x.com/SpaceIntel101/status/2066848309185036307>China successfully launched an Shijian 31 "space environment exploration" satellite on its Long March 3B rocket from Xichang LC-2.
>>17001427lmao, fairI totally ignored the actual time the tower needs to dedicate to one launchmultiply 365 times whatever fraction of a day you expect it to take
>>17001421It's yet to be a bottleneck, but it's definitely going to be a one in the future. No idea how sustainable is trucking all the fuel and water for rapid reuse.
>>17001433they're already working on a pipeline
>>17001428When is china gonna land a rocket?Fuck this timeline man where is the space industry acceleration?
>>17001438It's going to take at least a year, at this pace they are not even finishing 1st pad by the end of the year.
>>17001427>>17001430Elon says here that the booster is intended to achieve 1 launch per hour capability, if not actual cadence.https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1845633730154545465>Starship is designed to achieve reflight of its rocket booster ultimately within an hour after liftoff. The booster returns within ~5 minutes, so the remaining time is reloading propellant and placing a ship on top of the booster.That does imply 24 launches per tower per day as a hard limit, and not one that could realistically be achieved in practice.It also describes a mode of operation that requires exactly one tower per booster.
>>17001442it took spacex years too
>>17001430Each tower provides 1/365 of a launch per day
earth 2 earth is getting closer by the day
>>17001442ZQ-3 and LM-10B are both going to make their next landing attempts in early July
>>17001456All starship does is E2E
>>17001456I do that every time I jump in place.
>>17001457God I hope one of them makes it I need another new rocket company to care about.
>>17001234The purpose of the IPO was the let Elon go down in the history books as the first trillionaire. He knows none of the other things he's said he's going to do will work out fully and none will be remembered for very long. Being a trillionaire was his last guaranteed way of being a true historical figure.
>>17001463Elon doesn't give a fuck about the trillionaire thing Elon wants a big cash injection into SpaceX so they can go and build another dozen launch and production facilities
>>17001455So they produce 365 ships and only launch each one a single time per year?
https://x.com/SpaceX/status/2066873915717136548
>>17001461even if they fail these next attempts, it's inevitable that they will have a working one. it's a solved problem and there is no danger of china to ever stop trying.i'd recommend watching stoke. at least they're trying something different and they seem to be capable of making it work.
>>17001467-60 billion for an AI grifter garbage company that has nothingThat's where the IPO went
>>17001470retard
>>17001468I'm actually more interested in chinas market because of the insane amount of competition in it, theres far more rocket companies in china than anywhere else in the world and just like with electric cars the next big rocket company is gonna come out of china.
>>17001469how many teraflops of AI can you fit in that?
>>17001470cursor makes $4 billion in revenue, which is double what they made last year
>>17001471>all stock transactionNevermind Elon is a genious>launch the most desired valuable private company to market with 3% of it's shares>it's shares skyrocket>make an all-stock transaction at the peak>when other stock options unlock the 60 billion dollars of SPCX stock evaporates down to a handful of billionMasterful play
>>17001464>CursorIf that were true, they would have issued far more stock and not spent it on things like buying Cursor. We all want to see spaceflight expand and become routine but let's not get stupid about what's right in front of our faces.
>>17001469this is never going to get built
>>17001476SpaceX is looking to build more launch facilities in lousiannaSpaceX is looking to build the biggest fab in the worldSpaceX is looking to build several facilities for AI sats in bastrop
>>17001461It’s chinese, it’s not really a “company” in th same sense of the word.
>>17001467Will they be using the AI for spaceflight applications? For what purpose?
>>17001463>n-none of the other things will work outThey already are, you’re delusional lol.
>>17001482it'll run on the orbital data centers
>>17001472>competitionCompletely artificial competition in china’s case.
>>17001482they are going to compete directly with Anthropic and OpenAI
>>17001488>>17001477
>>17001488how are marsfags gonna cope when the mars colony gets built and there are no giant glass domes? you know glass is heavy and not that strong right? it's going to be all metal tubes with a small handful of tiny windows
>>17001492large glass domes exist on earth
>>17001481What does this matter?>>17001485What does this matter?Chinese electric car makers are the biggest in the market, you can claim it's fake all you want but market share doesn't lie, evidently fake companies having a fake competition works. It'll probably work for rockets too
>>17001494earth is not mars
>>17001482AI will fix starship
It's grim
>>17001494Ever heard of Biodome starring Pauly Shore?
>>17001495Tesla built a factory in China which let the chinese companies copy their techSpaceX is not going to build a launch site and factory in China
some way to get past Apple
>>17001500whats that got to do with anything
>>17001503nice shitcoin
>>17001502Brother, china has like 3 falcon 9 clones making landing attempts next month, they didn't need a spacex factory in china to get this far.
>>17001504Everything
>>17001507so 10 years behind at leastthey will eventually copy what SpaceX does, but without being able to copy the things right away they will stay behind
>>17001503Man, I really regret not investing friday, I'd be almost a millionaire right now if I did. Oh well...
>>17001470retard lmao. the $60 billion is stock options with the current stock pricing. 60 billion / $220 per share. in stocks. They lost $0 in money. They gained ~$85billion in cash.
>>17001495kinda/sorta BYD and a lot of the Chinese car companies have been hemorrhaging domestic sales for going on a year now. the whole industry is completely held up by massive subsidies, especially from local governments that blatantly can't afford it, and China has to keep threatening its trade partners to keep them from enacting anti dumping which would kill the industry over night this does bode kind of badly for the rocket industry which relies on the internal market, but they can come in a second place simply by being their own customer and paying for everything on debt, mostly because the rest of the world is essentially consigned to irrelevance regardless
>>17001467https://x.com/elonmusk/status/2066883480852852881
>>17001513everything's bigger in space
>>17001513What is he even saying? How is it even related to what Berger wrote?
I'm pretty sure space is bigger than anything on the Earth.
>>17001513elon is so smart! he knows how big space is
>>17001516he is talking about the economy
>>17001513you guys are idiots he's talking about vacuum pumping your dick
>>17001516>I am once again explaining something to an autist on 4chan.He's saying that while 60 billion sounds like a lot, in the future the space industry will be several orders of magnitude larger than that.
>>17001495*yawn*
>>17001523looks like there needs to be some M&A in the space sector
>>17001523For reference, in 2020 tesla had nearly 80% EV market share.
SpaceX is AI company now.
>>17001492They'll build their own domes. Glass can be very strong. Your post is retarded. I don't even care about domes.
>>17001523I am a businesslet and just want a simple answer: How is this so big? Is this driven mainly by success of Falcon 9? Or is it investor speculation that Starship *might* be even better?
>>17001531its starship and the businesses derived from that (starlink, orbital compute and so on)
we could use some actual space happenings right now
dragon undocking in 20 minuteshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m1BjJ2PKlCk
https://x.com/charliebcurran/status/2066871432303583408
>>17001531Like 90% of spacexs value is from Xai, so actually barely anything to do with the space part of the business.
>>17001538It’s time we admit gen-x/millenials might be worse than boomers
>>17001542not really, for some reason people keep confusing the current value with the future TAMAI is certainly a big part of the value right now, but not 90%
>>17001542i'd expect their stock price to tank if they bought out a space company instead of an AI one
live >>17001537
>>17001294Lunar solar thermal, ~1kw/m^2duh.
elon won
>>17001550>had a whole video ready but only posted it after spacex stock went to the moonkek
>>17001550Michael Bloomberg worth $100BKnown anti-capitalist and degrowther has conceded.
>>17001509yep, bugmen are sadly completely bereft of any creativity and originality. when there's someone to copy, they can actually do things.
>>17001495>b-but we subsidized our chinese car "companies" to ridiculous amounts and tried to flood the global market with artificially cheap cars in order to push out competitors!yeah, that's not the same as actually being a real big company, rather than the chinese equivalent of a soviet design bureau wearing the mask of a capitalist venture.
>>17001492then we make them out of plastics you dumbass nigger.
>>17001554Despite was marxists will tell you, subsidies do not in fact result in globally competitive businesses and cannot explain why chinese EVs are taking over the world.
>>17001556Suppressed wages and a weak currency are a form of subsidy. They like to do that in East-Asia. And those work.
>>17001549throwing out a figure doesn't change much. unless you want to pretend we will have a gross excess of electricity and industry available on the moon very quickly (we won't), doing the most inefficient possible thing is not going to happen. there's a reason SpaceX started talking about mass drivers on the moon, it's because that's a very resource efficient way to achieve orbit from the lunar surface
Has anyone read The Human Reach series? It’s supposedly like the expanse without the ayyys; america slips behind and china and japan (for some reason) are duking it out on colonies. It’s supposed to be a hard sci-fi spy thriller I think?
Space will make Elon musk the first quadrillionaire in history
>>17001556>globally competitive businesseswell, that's kind of the point, they're not competitive at all, that's why they're hemorrhaging money like nobody's business, even if they stopped investing in further RnD and production lines, they would still bleed money selling cars at the prices they currently do. the only reason they aren't failing is the massive subsidies they're being granted by the chinese govt, without them the would go bankrupt very quickly or be forced to sell cars at a profit, thus removing the only market advantage they have, so you are correct, subsidies do not in fact result in globally competitive businesses.
>>17001556pretending you can't drive the price of a good down with subsidization is completely fucking retarded. if your inputs should cost twice what they do, your output will be cheaper than it should be. if I pay you back half the value of what you produce, your output will be cheaper than it should be.is this a good long term strategy to create strong businesses? it depends. if you use it to completely choke out all competition so no one is making any product and has no existing infrastructure to do so, actually yes, it's s really good idea. China does this with key industries. they may be bad actors, but they have some level of intellect about it
>>17001560>throwing out a figure doesn't change muchsure it does.anon was talking about how much energy separating al from o took, and I merely commented on the abundance of solar flux available above the earths atmosphere.you may cope now if you desire.
>>17001571read the rest of the post next time, you're trying to waste time and dodge the point
>>17001565>that's why they're hemorrhaging money like nobody's businessAccording to gemini byd is indeed profitable so there goes to rest of your post.>>17001566I did not pretend that, what I did say is that subsidized businesses are unlikely to be profitable since they get used to subsidies and aren't competitive without them. Oh and before you claim byd is only profitable because of subsidies, china ended direct EV subsidies in 2022.Also, just as more proof for my claim that subsidized businesses aren't competitive, we actually know how much and to what makers china sent it's subsidies and it's not to the big players today, in fact byd got peanuts. Pic related.>>17001558Yes, I understand that economists classify stuff like this as subsidies but thats not what normal people mean by that word. It's like saying oil is subsidized cause governments aren't taxing carbon as an externality.
>>17001564They just bought cursor for 80 billion self coding and self correcting ai soon.
>>17001469For no reason at all, how many of these could you build for $300billion?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0u17EtKa0c4
>>17001572I read the whole thing.and iirc, you can make mirrors from aluminum and glass.
off it goes
>>17001579>I did not pretend that, what I did say is that subsidized businesses are unlikely to be profitable since they get used to subsidies and aren't competitive without them1. there is no need for a business to be profitable to outcompete. actually, if I as a business have the resources to destroy my competition with undercutting, then it is in my interest to do so. fuck profit, if no one is left to compete I can make infinite profit later.2. as I said, China intentionally floods key industries with subsidization to depress competition. worrying about actually being profitable comes later. they're transitioning into that "worrying about being profitable" phase now. a lot of your post is talking about the phase out like it's proof they never used subsidies to get ahead, when in reality there's been a huge domestic crash in demand after the phase outnot that there's even been THAT much of a phase out, China is still desperate to flood markets with their EVs, and local governments are still competing to subsidize their local brands the most. rare earths are the best success story of this, China doesn't have the cheapest or most abundant rare earths, but they flooded markets anyway. the suppressed competition allowed them to form a global monopoly.
https://x.com/SawyerMerritt/status/2066906213296546180SpaceX will be the new nation state on Mars
>>17001590you certainly didn't respond intelligibly to my post so claiming you read it makes no difference > you can make mirrors from aluminum and glassok. I mean you can do things with aluminum, no one is denying that. I'm saying that we aren't going to have immediate unlimited energy so we will do whatever is most efficient. even making mirrors and, I guess, making solar thermal plants out of them or something, requires industrial development that is going slow and expensive
>>17001599well, considering that there isn't anything up there at all right now, id's say that anything we propose would require quite a bit of capital, wouldn't it?>you certainly didn't respond intelligibly to my post so claiming you read it makes no difference yes I did, you just don't like that im right.
How much will SpaceX stock tank the next time a superheavy explodes?
>>17001601>well, considering that there isn't anything up there at all right now, id's say that anything we propose would require quite a bit of capital, wouldn't it?metal refinement is pretty far down the tech tree of what we're going to be capable of off Earth in general, and aluminum is one of the most pernicious metals to refine. I don't propose a hydrolox based lunar economy, but objectively it will be much easier to split water than do any of what you are suggesting. the absolute easiest thing is to simply use electricity directly in the form of mass drivers, as you don't need to be out of the sun (where the water is) nor do you need as much development as aluminum refining. >yes I did, you just don't like that im rightI don't have an issue with the shitting alumina dust economy it just doesn't make a ton of practical sense
>>17001605>I don't have an issue with the shitting alumina dust economy it just doesn't make a ton of practical sensemass drivers are well and good, but how are you going to circularize the orbit? dock with other craft, etc?cant do that with mass drivers.
>>17001596>there is no need for a business to be profitable to outcompeteWell, as I said before china ended direct subsidies to EVs in 2022, before they become dominant and the big players are profitable without them, so there goes the rest of your post.
>>17001606you can do most of the heavy lifting in the Earth-Moon system with a mass driver and refine the orbit with a lightweight system, SpaceX already has experience throwing out starlinks into less desirable orbits and doing the rest with (iirc) xenon gas thrusters. it might be necessary to do some water splitting and go chemical for thrust requirements, although the amount of water necessary would probably be low and this problem exists and is probably worse for Al-Ox rockets, you're talking about something even more primitive than modern solid rockets
What if I took a shit on the Artemis and brought my computer to play games and goon?
>>17001609>as I said, in 2022 (shit China made up)>As part of its ongoing investigation, the Commission has provisionally concluded that the battery electric vehicles (BEV) value chain in China benefits from unfair subsidisation, which is causing a threat of economic injury to EU BEV producers.this was the finding of a commission two years later lol
>>17001610water is scarce on the moon, and is better served in a life support role.AlO is abundant.primitive or not, it works, and is basically unlimited in supply.using lunar water as fuel is dumb and incredibly short sighted.
>>17001604It would be 100% irrelevant. SpaceX will continue to get their revenue. All their AI ventures are already funded now. They paid nothing but "stocks".
>>17001612What specifically are they subsidizing? And how much? Cause i posted a screenshot showing actual numbers earlier whereas you only this non-specific "unfair" valuation.
>>17001614>water is scarce on the moon, and is better served in a life support role.that's why I pointed out that it's a low amount. early on, all of the water will be transported unless we get really lucky with a water processing site>AlO is abundantas I said, AlO is as bad, probably worse. you aren't getting any refined orbit with a shitty solid rocket. >using lunar water as fuel is dumb and incredibly short sighted.we'll use whatever we have to. if you're crying over using a gallon of water to generate enough hydrogen to straighten out a satellite, you're ngmi. when the space economy is going we aren't going to be using AlOx to avoid wasting precious water, we are going to be capturing resources from asteroids and trading between the earth-moon and martian systems
>>17001616if you think the EU is wrong you can litigate that on your own, I'm not that interested if it was as easy as looking at DIRECT subsidies, no one would have to get a commission and investigate
>>17001619>if you think the EU is wrongWell, I'd have to see the actual numbers to determine that, do you have these numbers or not? Or did the EU not supply said numbers?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PVL75edUkZE
>>17001622If you're not holding on to it forever, then there is something wrong with you.
>>17001621https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=OJ:L_202402754I'm gonna be honest with you chief,this topic does not excite me enough to dig through 660 pages. it is sufficient to me that they A) reached the conclusion that Chinese subsidies were injurious and B) concluded that it justified a baseline 40% tariff for most manufacturers (this was never implemented I believe, germoid melty)
>>17001618>you aren't getting any refined orbit with a shitty solid rocket.we can always make them better.... short pulsed dust rockets, with a feed system for variable thrust. stuff like that.
>Space X is an AI company>t. Clapping Sealshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDgH93J4ixk
>>17001625Yeah I don't really wanna do that either, can someone get an AI to summarize the numbers?
I remember when /sfg/ was topical with discussions of spaceflight
>>17001507Falcon 9 is not an impressive rocket without reuse
>Australian mining billionaire Gina Rinehart's Hancock Prospecting has invested in SpaceX's record-breaking IPO.>The Wall Street Journal reported that the stake was worth more than $1 billion.greatest ally
>>17001629ok, so let's grant the pelletized AlOx circulation and station keeping and everything (I find this kinda doubtful, because one low fidelity, two, shitting alumina dust into LLO/LEO seems bad) the crux of the issue remains to me:setting up mass driver1. transport panels and mass driver assembly2. assemble(assume requires transporting hall effect or some other station keeping mechanisms to go with the payload, or on site IRSU of local or imported water) setting up IRSU ice mining1. transport panels and electrolysis equipment 2. assemble (still need to solve the issue of distance between ideal power generation and local water sources) setting up aluminum oxide rogget1. transport 100x the panels of the previous 2, plus the industrial plant, also transport all the electrolyte and whatever other precursor chemicals aluminum needs2. ??? (this isn't assembly anymore this is years of construction if it were on Earth, let alone the moon)3. again reprocess or transport shit that you can't get on the moon like the electrolyte and anodeif you absolutely positively HAD to do this to do anything on the moon, it might be technically feasible, but given that the other two options work at all whatsoever no one is ever doing this
>>17001492the future is underground
>>17001658Waterways linking underground settlements so I can kayak over to the next village for weekend keggers.
>>17001645It absolutely is. The merlin engines alone are by far the best in their class.
>>17001488I get that this is garbage made by a retard/AI but where did the idea of being underground but also having glass domes even come fromyou get none of the benefits of being underground or having an actual dome but all of the downsides
>>17001676>I get that this is garbage made by a retard/AInobody tell him
>>17001335>gulf of Mexico
>>17001488Based digits for the future of mankind
>>17001492It won't be glass. It will be ice
>>17001670nope. A 23t to leo kerosine rocket is not interesting sorry. Nazis did better
>>17001531Everything is investor speculation.
>>17001653until you run out of water ice on the moon.
>>17001676its a render directly from SpaceX
>>17001644Stfu autis
>>17001698there are hundreds of millions of tons of ice on the moon. if we're running out of water on the moon things are going right. besides, refining aluminum consumes water lmao
Reminder that the OIG found that each Orion capsule is $1 billion
>>17001714a bargain at twice the price
Give the moon an atmosphere so you can fly moon helicopters there.
>>17001647Wonder how many of you lost your shit today buying the top on that...A little advice from /biz/ before you go blow your hard earned egghead cash REMINDER:>effective monopoly on spacethere are plenty of rocket companies>effective monopoly on satellitesChina does around half as many launches as America rn, rest of the world does none basically. But it's a long way from a monopoly.>effective monopoly on astroid miningHow? They don't have the tech for that, someone like fire or LUNR would be better suited. They just get you up there, and again China can rug them with state support.ALSOroid mining is a meme. roids with rare earths are typically thought to be protoplanets, the goodies are in the middle at the core.that means either mining through 500M of gas pocketed rock and iron roid robotically (can't do this on earth) or crashing it here.you can't just land on a roid and scoop up gold. in either case you're talking stupid, impossible amounts of delta V never before seen on something launched from the ground, let alone thats actually made it to orbital v, let alone thats made it to escape v, spaceX doesn't solve this>effective monopoly on moon baseAgain China, but even assuming this is true... This is profitable how?The moon is made of literal poison that will kill you if you breath it in, and give you cancer as well.All those little meteors that burn up that you see at night (and many too small to see) are blasting into the side of your base at full speed.Regardless, maybe you fix that stuff.You cant fix the fact the moon is a ball of poison dust with nothing worth money on it.>effective monopoly on mars colonizationMars has no atmosphere.Mars is -200F.Mars's core is dead like the moons, so any atmosphere you do make will just blow away.You can't colonize mars.>also wholly owns xAIElon's own engineers use anthropic to build grok kek, it has like 2% adoption internally.Thank you for your attention to this matter boffin cultists.
>>17001709>there are hundreds of millions of tons of ice on the moonthat is still a finite amount, and a much smaller amount than the aluminum.>refining aluminum consumes water lmaono, it USES water, it does not "consume" it. the water can be purified and reused after it is used for cleaning.
>>17001579>according to geminiaverage chinkshill intelligence LMAO.
>>17001609>c-china ended direct subsidies!fucking liar, you've got some balls lying this blatantly chinkshill.
>>17001645it fucking blows most other rockets of it's size class completely out of the water without reuse lmao. with re-use it's about on-par with it's competitors, despite being reusable.
>>17001738>you can't colonize marsyou're a retarded midwit, now go back to plebbit.
>>17001747>that is still a finite amount, and a much smaller amount than the aluminum.there is a finite amount of water on Earth and much less than the amount of iron. we MUST stop all current chemical rockets and deploy only iron oxide rockets>no, it USES water, it does not "consume" it. the water can be purified and reused after it is used for cleaning.oh okay the water is 100% retrieved even though this doesn't happen, well good thing the moon also has plenty of graphite for the anode and cathode and tons of cryolite for the electrolyte. would hate to run out, but at least we're not wasting precious water
>>17001759>we MUST stop all current chemical rockets and deploy only iron oxide rocketsmost rockets use methane and kerosene these days.>oh okay the water is 100% retrieved even though this doesn't happenmost plants don't bother, but they COULD.>graphite for the anode and cathodethe process doesn't consume the electrodes.>and tons of cryolite for the electrolytethe process doesn't consume the electrolyte.
>>17001754>It's the best lame rocket out of all the other lame rockets
>>17001766>it's the best rocket for it's size class periodso not lame then.
>>17001763>most rockets use methane and kerosene these daysyou do understand that they all oxidize hydrogen, right? it doesn't matter if you're using hydrolox, methalox or keralox. technically you're just doing it less efficiently the futher you get from hydrolox>the process doesn't consume the electrodesit does >the process doesn't consume the electrolyte.it doesi mean, okay, yeah the atoms all still exist. but it is not trivial to rearrange them back into what they were just like it isn't trivial to turn alumina into aluminum
https://x.com/xdnibor/status/2066985432408011076>The first ever Terafab flyover!>There are multiple decently sized solar farms in the area. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swo_6wm6djs
>Launch vehicle communications for test Starship Orbital Return Demo mission launching from Starbase, TX.>Operation Start Date: 07/29/2026>Operation End Date: 12/28/2026https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/els/reports/STA_Print.cfm?mode=current&application_seq=151991&RequestTimeout=1000it begins
>>17001772>you do understand that they all oxidize hydrogen, right?yes.>i mean, okay, yeah the atoms all still exist. and can be reused.WE start with aluminum + oxide fuels.... we end up with low g manufacturing which makes cost to orbit lower for many components. (large structural parts for space stations, for example)
>>17001775What is this shit, Artemis III?
>>17001777the dates are for this year. artemis iii would require a form for next year.
>>17001776>yes.then why was that your response, it's a complete non sequitur >and can be reusedyou fucking nigger you want to figure out how to turn CO2 and various species of flourides and flourocarbons back into graphite and cryolite on the fucking moon before we just use a fucking electronic goddamn catapult SHUT THE FUCK UP HOLY SHIT
>>17001773all that beautiful land...gone to make gooner chips. they should built it underground instead using boring tunnels.
>>17001778So they are admitting they need another two months for the next flight? What's the holdup? The pad is complete and the ship and booster are basically done and undergoing testing…
>>17001775>Late July.Meaning August.All according to keikaku.
>>17001781>>17001784this would be for flight 14+, not flight 13
we need more people in space
>>17001786That's like mass murder or something
>>17001763There's no such thing as 100% recapture of anything. There is no 100% efficiency. I think it's very obvious that when there's millions of people on the moon and there is mature industry to extract aluminum (since it's useful) then you can use aluminum and liquid oxygen to make hybrid engines. If it's dirt cheap then it's the obvious choice for shuttles and mass driver payload circularization. That's in the far future. You can fit everything you need for electrolysis in a shipping container then you can have your solar panels and equipment to keep it cryogenic and a couple of tanks if you want. That fits in a few launches. You can't say the same for and aluminum refinery. You can perform electrolysis in your bedroom, that should put it in perspective. Also there's 600 million metric tons of water on the lunar poles. If a person needs one ton of water per year that's enough water for one million people for 600 years.
>>17001770The class size is lame. A "medium" rocket should be launching 100t to leo
>>17001786And canadians too, maybe
>>17001779>then why was that your response, it's a complete non sequituryour analogy was stupid.>you want to figure out how to turn CO2 and various species of flourides and flourocarbons back into graphite and cryoliteit's called Solid Oxide Electrolysishttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solid_oxide_electrolyzer_cell#Researchnasa developed one to make oxygen form the CO2 on mars. the carbon monoxide can then be chemically split to form oxygen and solid carbon.and synthetic cryolite.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodium_hexafluoroaluminate#Productioncalm down, you're full on mad.
>>17001790>You can't say the same for and aluminum refinery.sure you can, the reason aluminum refineries are as large as they are is to produce at enormous scales... and that can be scaled down
>>17001797really anon you can have an aluminum refinery in your bedroom? I'd love to see it
>>17001798it wouldn't produce much, and the high temperatures wouldn't do very well inside of a house, sure.... but it can be done.
ITS OVER>Blue Origin has not said anything publicly, but multiple sources have pointed to an issue with the BE-4 rocket engine that powers the first stage of New Glenn as the culprit behind the launch pad accident. https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/06/amid-launch-bottleneck-amazon-has-hundreds-of-satellites-waiting-to-fly
>>17001801The question is not possibility it's practicality. When I say "in your bedroom" I'm implying an ultra practicality and safety that aluminum refinement doesn't have. I can do electrolysis with a plastic bottle and steel wool. All that heat from AL refinery is going to have to be radiated away which adds even more complexity. Basically you want to spend billions in R&D and delay lunar colonization by decades because you're worried about using up billions of tons of water which will only be used by a handful of people in the next couple decades.
>>17001795>your analogy was stupida non sequitur doesn't demonstrate that in any fucking way you troglodyte, learn to fucking speak I'm not your fucking babysitter you retarded fucking tripfag, kill yourself >the carbon monoxide can then be chemically split to form oxygen and solid carbonno one said you can't convert between forms of carbon. converting (relatively speaking) abundant atmospheric CO2 into solid carbon is in no way equivalent to converting 100% of waste CO2 into a magically repaired anode. this is not a process that exists and you can't derive one from the other. I said it's not a trivial problem because it's really fucking ridiculous to expect anyone to do something like this as a first step to colonization. you'd have to be completely braindead or a troll to think this>synthetic cryoliteagain, I didn't say it's impossible to create cryolite, I said it's non trivial and impractical given these preconditions. you can make all the cryolite you want on Earth because Earth is abundant in precursors, industry, and electricity. you are talking about a 100% reconversion from refinement tailings, something no one does and isn't even possible without a whole chemical industry in between those steps. >calm down, you're full on mad.WHO THE FUCK CARES, do you expect to make me mad or do you expect to actually have a well formed outlook on reality because you can't do the latter to save your life
>>17001812it's so vulcover
Well my uninformed strong opinion based on nothing is that Starship should focus on orbital construction and not landing on other bodies
>>17001475>genious
>>17001738>A little advice from /biz/McFucking kill yourself, retard
>>17001828If you raise $2 trillion you can decide how to spend it :-)
spacex is basically space infrastructure now
It's 2026 and the psy-op that space launches MUST happen on the coast still existshow do we fix this
>>17001840no one wants a rogget to unrogget over their house FAA would freak, too
Is Vulcan the most raped rocket?
>>17001843no thats falcon 1
>>17001531>is it investor speculation that Starship *might* be even better?YesPeople want in on the ground floor of the future biggest company in the solar system
>>17001842air ports are surrounded by citiesliterally no reason why you can't have E2E space ports next to cities
>>17001837It's amusing that you felt the need to even say that
>>17001848there are plenty of reasons you can't do that actually even a routine landing is still enough to fuck up everyone's day at various ways at various ranges.
>>17001817>The question is not possibility it's practicality.It's more about forwarding our capabilities and opening up new possibilities, actually.and billions of tons of water SOUNDS like a lot, but it really isn't. if we use it for rockets, we'll exhaust it in decades.>>17001819seriously, dude, you need to calm down, you're going to give yourself a heart attack or something.also, your analogy IS stupid, and doesn't deserve a serious response.>> this is not a process that existsyes, it is.https://www.techexplorist.com/co2-directly-split-electrochemically-into-carbon-oxygen/98305/>or do you expect to actually have a well formed outlook on reality because you can't do the latter to save your lifeyour emotional state is hindering your ability to think clearly.
>>17001856>yes, it is.you literally didn't read anything, you just spewed back the same shit. what part of what I responded with overwhelmed your smooth brain>NUHHH YOU'RE MAD MAD MAAADI had the temerity to admit it yet your cognition seems to be the cloudy one. you said 0 of substance here. one argument I already sufficiently rebutted and a bunch of whining about me that said nothing.
>>17001614I fucking hate solid fuel rockets
and to reiterate >>17001856>>17001860>one said you can't convert between forms of carbon. converting (relatively speaking) abundant atmospheric CO2 into solid carbon is in no way equivalent to converting 100% of waste CO2 into a magically repaired anode. this is not a process that exists and you can't derive one from the otherwhat part of this response made you come to the conclusion 'oh no he doesn't know carbon can be split from CO2'? it's literally acknowledged right there. I fucking said it, retard, no one disputes it. no, the thing you made up is the idea that you can just take waste gas and capture 100% of it and magically renew the spent anode with it directly. that's what doesn't exist. you seem to believe reality is minecraft with atoms.
>>17001867So, humans don't produce CO2?
>>17001860>>17001867also, it is possible to reduce bauxite by thermal energy alone.
>>17001867>>17001873and, as im sure you are well aware, the only 100% efficient process, is heating.
>>17001873>it is possible to reduce bauxite by thermal energy alone.I've heard this but I don't believe it Proof?
>Cursor hit $4B of ARR in June, up from $2B in Feb. Could end the year north of $10B.oooh
We need to nuke China. If we weren't in this retarded moon race, Elon would be focused on Mars right now.
>>17001856You can't put the cart before the horse. Demand exists and then investments are made for industry not the other way around. If you don't understand this you will simply live your whole life wondering why all of NASA won't do what you want
>>17001880Elon's Mars architecture is terrible. Not to mention physical robots are still retarded and asking them to set up a Mars base with no supervision will not work with current and near future technology
8 hours until ASTS F9
>>17001881>You can't put the cart before the horse. Demand exists and then investments are made for industry not the other way around.then why build factories before you have a product to sell?factories cost money, you know.
>>17001884Because there is a demand for the product already which justifies the factory. This is like reality 101
>>17001876the melting point of alumina is different than the melting point of silica....
>>17001888is there not a demand for rocket fuel in orbital space?
>>17001889Oh okSo now you have pure aluminaBut you can't get aluminium out of alumina just from thermal energy, right?
>>17001890Currently there is zero demand for rocket fuel on the moon
https://arstechnica.com/space/2026/06/amid-launch-bottleneck-amazon-has-hundreds-of-satellites-waiting-to-fly/
>>17001772>it doesDumb gorilla niggerOn the moon you use vaccum distillation
>>17001856Oh also there is enough water for like 100000 BONG lander flights which is enough for 1000 years with 100 flights per year. Currently there are zero
Reminder that narcissist will argue forever no matter what because they just want to be right and convince other people that they are right. They don't want to actually know
>>17001894you can, but it requires something like 2000C, and it's pretty tricky to separate the O from the Al in a gaseous state, since both would be in vapor form, although their molecular bonds WOULD be severed....the Hall–Héroult process basically just reduces the temperature required through an electrolyte solution and electric current.
>>17001899and if we are lifting HUGE space habitat prefab sections into lunar orbit?what then?
>>17001738>A little advice from /biz/all you really need to say
>>17001904I already explained this. If you are already extracting so much aluminum that you are constructing massive spacecraft that implies you can make your dirt rockets dirt cheap. That also implies that there is a ton of demand for rocket fuel on the moon. The problem comes from you thinking that we need to stop everything to use an unproven architecture for a concern that isn't real.
>>17001914considering that we aren't even lifting anything off the moon yet, I would state that thinking about aluminum refining on the lunar surface is an important discussion to have, so that we don't have to have it much later, when we need it.also, thanks to everyone in this thread who has... um.... "Helped" me refine my argument.;)
>>17001903Interesting>Hall–Héroult process basically just reduces the temperature required through an electrolyte solution and electric current.That's a neat way to look at it
Now, who wants to have an "Argument" with me about a powder feeding system for a rocket?
>all SpaceX discussions in other discussion spaces is just the stock It's quite amazing how quickly it swapped in just a few days leading up to and post-IPO. I realized that stock talk would dominant but not this fast.
>>17001920there's just nothing else interesting going on today
>>17001921https://x.com/spacecoastwest/status/2067044720132698515SLC-6 was demolished at Vandenberg to make way for Falcon Heavy
>>17001921Maybe but anything that happens now with the company is going to re-contextualized with the stock price. Any Starship launch is going to be paired up with people betting on options to see if it pumps or not.
>>17001922
>>17001922>falcon heavy instead of starship????????????
>>17001915Yeah I agree. It seems like you've shifted your viewpoint
>>17001925The USSF probably has some important birds going up.
>>17001924Th-they're supposed to take the flag down first...
>>17001877>CursorAny codemonkeys want to explain the LLM-related tools you faggots use?
>>17001922I remember that building from Deus Ex
>>17001929IDE for AI.
>>17001926>Yeah I agree. It seems like you've shifted your viewpointnot at all....using lunar regolith as fuel to boost off of the moon(or at least to do burns AFTER lunar injection "Thrusts"), refined by solar thermal energy is STILL my goal.yall have just helped me refine the argument, find new methods, close weak links, etc....so, yes, seriously, thanks.the process still works.and when humanity starts building space stations, or even trans-planetary busses, lunar aluminum refining is going to be a VERY cost effective solution to building this space infrastructure.NASA has long known that the effects of low G on astronauts is debilitating, so any long term habitation on the moon for refinement is going to require some form or artificial gravity....now, we could cycle moon miners out on 3-6 month intervals back to earth....OR, we could use lunar aluminum refining to build stanford toruses in lunar space, and rotate them on a monthly basis.one of these options is cheaper, in the long run, without insurance companies trying to collect fucking heads.
>>17001924SLC-6 was an inside job
Remember vertical integration?Remember FH extended fairing?2 more lines for the list.
>>17001943Dragon XL
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SPM2HY6vAu4Long March 12, probably launching more SatNet LEO birds, T-57:00
>>17001943>>17001944no bully pls
>>17001948imma bully your shit.you absolute moron.https://www.youtube.com/shorts/LmpLSFnEcYchttps://www.youtube.com/shorts/AcQ8OBq-oXE
>>17001935I will pay you $20 to kill yourself
>>17001851Thanks. People say I'm a funny guy :-)
>>17001945>no landingwe sleep
>>17001872Not in a closed system, no. The carbon in their food is ultimately sourced from CO2.Bringing up exhaled CO2 in a conversation about sourcing chemicals is retarded.
>>17001935Well you were against any hydrolox use on the moon arguing that we need to use aluminum because of scarcity. I proved that there is at least a few hundred years worth of water on the moon so the urgency is not needed. That's literally why you got so much negativity. Pivoting to the long term is a different position. Also we don't know the effect of lunar gravity on humans. We know 1G is good and 0G is bad. You could be right but you also could be wrong.
>>17001948Musk: "That's it, I'm going to outsource SpaceX to India because profit margin!!!"DoD: I'm gonna stop you right there.....https://www.youtube.com/shorts/RU3_JTi6aqk
>>17001956I'll pay you $40 to kill yourself.>>17001961and where are we getting the food from?
>>17001915>also, thanks to everyone in this thread who has... um.... "Helped" me refine my argument.You should only thank those who have... um... encouraged your suicide, you fucking faggot. This isn't your fucking blog.
>>17001933>>17001929Cursor has a model for code generation that just got added to Grok Build, the SpaceX code generation offering, a day or two before SpaceX bought Cursor. I thought it was strange at the time that they were hyping a model from another company.
>listen to gwynne's interview again>says spacex will buy lots of AI companies in the futureso uh...who's next to get bought out...?
I have literally never lived paycheck to paycheck, because I know how to budget.
>>17001970Anthropic when they continue to fail to speak Politician, create national security issues for the United States, do nothing about the government's concerns, and end up being forcibly acquired and sold off to a more US government friendly entity.
CZ-12 in under 20 minutes, maybehttps://live.bilibili.com/23118988
>>17001965>>17001967
The whole HLS and space suit situation is so dire
its ok, robots dont need life support or space suits
>>17001975they literally just copied spacex webcast overlay style? come on china, it's just sad now the unoriginality
>>17001981wow they stole spacex's UI
>>17001982Gridfins too
>>17001987Shameless
>>17001982they even stole elon musk
>>17001881Yeah you’re right, cavemen had a demand for cars from the beginning and that’s the reason they got invented, not because of the fact that there are people inventing things to try and create NEW market all the time or anything.You’re an idiot.
>>17001948The people still beating that dead horse have never bullied anyone, they got shoved into locker rooms themselves lmao.
>>17002012>cavemen had a demand for cars from the beginningyes, mankind has always been striving for moving things and themselves quicker than before>people inventing things to try and create NEW marketno, those people make things like the juicero or the segway
Is this the first time that China has launched 3 rockets in a single day?
>>17002018:chinesetortoise:
>>17002018seems not, as they did the same in decemberhttps://www.space.com/space-exploration/launches-spacecraft/china-breaks-record-with-3-long-march-rocket-launches-in-19-hour-stretch-video
https://x.com/i/broadcasts/1XxyggrrXmeGMhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4xvKDvcrTo
>>17002036i went smoothly as usual
>>17002028
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rR-r63viPbQi watch these with embarrassment, wishing my skills and knowledge were as good as his
>>17002012Cars were invented because there was an inherit demand for a better faster horse and carriage. Horse and carriage were invented because there was an inherit demand for moving more stuff then a human could carry. You somehow think some autist manifested a car out of pure curiosity and then people realized that the concept of transportation existed and then decided to drive to work. You are actually a retard.
>>17001464He issued very few shares, it's a 4% float>>17001504Biosphere is considered a massive failure https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biosphere_2Biodome is one of the worst movies ever made
>>17002082Biosphere was a meme that was trying to simulate a free floating space station in the void. They tried to recycle everything. They didn't even take air from the outside. Eventually Steve Bannon had to shut them down.On Mars you'd be refreshing your air with CO2 to be refined into O2 and extracting water from ice
>>17001492>glass is heavy and not that strong rightIt'll be held up by air pressure. The heavier the better.
>>17001691But i thought musk was a nazi?
He says what we're all thinking.
>>17002094uhhh... intelligence for what?
>>17002095boob pictures
>>17002046based autist bodying the moon mass driver retards
>>17001848noise.overland flight of commercial supersonics is banned, and rockets are a lot louder.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFyhszzyiJAJeff's satellite constellation continues to grow at tortoise pace. Slowly but inexorably.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f457U82D6EYAriane 64+ launching 36 Amazon Leo satellites in T-20:00. This is the first launch of the larger P160C booster
HOLD
range violation
https://x.com/planet4589/status/2067220070640632244>Ariane 64 flight VA269 countdown has resumed for launch due at 1221:52 UTC; 36 Amazon Leo Kuiper satellites aboardT-3:00
God, please make it explodeit would be so funny
Have we seen booster separation views from the rocket before?
>>17002152no
spehs
>>17002152Pretty sure this was from the first flight
>According to open sources, Russians have developed a jammer for Starlink satellites: "The countermeasure system is named "Volna Kupol Garant." This EW complex consists of an array of sat antennas and targets eight communication channels, each with a bandwidth of 62.5 MHz."> "The system emits powerful interference directed at a specific Starlink satellite, severing its connection with ground-based terminals. A single complex comprises six trailers equipped with satellite dishes concealed beneath radomes and protects an area of approximately 20 square km.">"It is currently being actively used to shield the "Novorossiya" highway from Ukrainian drones. Ukr forces noted that this new development is causing "significant problems." However, there are downsides: the EW system is currently quite large and conspicuous, though this issue is expected to be rectified in the future."https://x.com/sambendett/status/2066911232037151007?s=20
>>17002170I wonder how many millions they have already spent on their little war against SpaceX
>>17002159Would be cool as hell
Meanwhile, in China...https://x.com/planet4589/status/2067171984018989137>LAUNCH at 0358 UTC Jun 17 of a Kuaizhou-11 from Jiuquan with unknown payloads. No confirmation of mission outcome yet. At this point it seems likely the mission may have failed to reach orbit
>>17002170>>17002172>a government creating countermeasures to a commercial businessutterly raped
>>17001896>Amazon now has hundreds of flight-ready satellites standing idle in Florida, waiting to join the company’s low-Earth orbit Internet constellation, an Amazon official said Tuesday.lol
>>17002174looks like miniature movie set almost
>>17002170I am more concerned about the impact on SpaceX than the fate of Ukraine. We should be defending American interests. It would be cool if this convinces Elon to start exploring military applications of Starship, including an orbital missile interception system.
>>17002170SpaceX could do a cheeky thing, and officially credit the Russian government for their "help" in making Starlink more robust
> no AI zero g porn of big titty bitchesLunar gravity would also be acceptable
>>17001791you know what, you make a fair point, i agree.
>>17002170it's kind of impossible to miniaturize something that can jam multiple starlink sats at the same time. by definition it's going to be an easy target.
uh oh rushit melty
Now that's a swift response from jannyGood job, I say we double his pay
>it's crashing it's over
>>17002213I don't think there are any rockets flying at the moment, anon.
>>17002217sir, this is sfg - Stocks and Finance General
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bj7QIRskTTA>FULL DISCUSSION: Jeff Bezos Unveils Prometheus AI, Predicts Space Computing Will Transform the World
>>17002228this nigga never takes any initiative
>>17002229he doesn't need to
They took this from you yesterday
>>17002213>even the stock price did this
>>17002202>Underestimating Russian ingenuity Just wait
>>17002246still can't believe america fell for the shuttle meme.
>>17002251i haven't been wrong so far.
>>17002229kek true
>>17002228why is he SO fucking desperate to be elon musk?
>>17002257He's sad because while Amazon is impressive, it's not very interesting or cool.
>starlink does not operate in russia and will not for the foreseeable future>umm guys but what about the hypothetical russian jammers in russiayes what about them?>20 sq km>russia is 17,098,246 sq kmbig think
>Starship can build an ISS mass vehicle in 5 launches>BONG XL can do it in 6 launches (with more volume)>A few launches should not be a big dealWhy doesn't anybody talk about the implications of cyclers, rotating stations, and huge interplanetary space tugs becoming economical?
>>17002288>Why doesn't anybody talk about the implications of cyclers, rotating stations, and huge interplanetary space tugs becoming economical?because>Starship can>BONG XL can neither of those are truealso, usecase?
>>17002293both of those are true
>>17002295source?
>>17002177Basically, we know that it launched and that at least the lower two stages worked since a S2 casing was found in its drop zone.Beyond there's no confirmation, an informed blogger who often gives updates on Jiuquan launches and a guy involved in the company that provides tracking service for this LSP's launches say it was a 1) an initial success 2) the main customer is happy, there are rumors Expace may have fucked up one of the secondary payload.
>>17002304reality.
>>17002304can you do basic division?
>>17001563Still no answer to this? Anyone?
>>17002340reading fiction is a waste of time
>>17001563>america slips behind and china and japan (for some reason) are duking it out on coloniesDumb wumao fantasy?
>spacex stock has collapsed todaywhat happened?
>>17002345cramer
>>17002345The Fed
>>17002258so he's microsoft while musk is apple?
>>17002349they're both apple trying to cosplay as microsoft
>>17002341Fiction is applied non fiction
So will Cursor's staff be able to save Musk's model ambitions? why did he hire retards before?
>>17002017Yes, and mankind will always have demand for new market creating things like starship just as they’ve always had demands for better ships that can bring more things to further lands back on earth.You argued yourself into a corner.
>>17002341Enjoying my time is not a waste of time.
>>17002360I like how you replied to this reply and not mine because you lost
>>17002046https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mA-S1JGzph4Just don't watch this video if you bought SPCX.
>>17002377he brings it up again in his latest video by showing this article as proof that spacex's data centers will be used to analyze the data from the military's upcoming space radar constellationhttps://breakingdefense.com/2026/05/spacex-wins-4-16b-space-force-contract-to-detect-airborne-moving-targets/
>>17002345Valuation has fallen to levels not seen since Monday afternoon. It's over.
https://x.com/relativityspace/status/2067363857061085522>More missions. More science. More discovery. Today, we're launching the Interplanetary Sciences Program to advance deep space science missions through foundational technologies and payloads. Proud to partner with NASA, industry, and academic institutions on a science orbiter mission to Mars in 2028 for philanthropic customer. What we discover belongs to everyone. All scientific data will be released to the world, fostering open collaboration.https://www.relativityspace.com/interplanetary>The Interplanetary Sciences Program is an initiative to enable radically more science per dollar by building the next generation of interplanetary capabilities that make scientific discovery more capable and accessible. The program will: Fly deep space science missions to collect data throughout the Solar System; Develop and fly foundational technologies and payloads to advance high-priority research goals; Partner with philanthropic endeavors, NASA, industry, and academic institutions, demonstrating a new model for public-private science collaboration>The program’s first mission will be a Mars science orbiter launching in 2028 which will: Map shallow subsurface ice and geology; Characterize Martian weather; Enable next-generation onboard data processing; Demonstrate a new philanthropic public-private partnership model for space science; Share scientific data with the world to foster open collaboration and maximize learninghttps://x.com/NASAAdmin/status/2067366240763699273>The quest to discover the secrets of the universe is a shared endeavor, and not exclusive to the world’s space agencies. At NASA we are grateful to partner with and support Eric Schmidt and the Relativity Space team, and hope this mission can be a model for future privately funded, philanthropic efforts in space.Looks like Rocket Lab's private Venus mission just got upstaged
>>17002391sounds like a nothingburger
https://x.com/davill/status/2067253530092605898>I've come to appreciate boring hotfires. Our BE-7 team recently completed a 2,500 second hotfire test at 10klbf on a development engine, setting the record for the longest-duration turbo pump-fed liquid rocket engine hotfire. This built on some of the most rigorous testing in the history of propulsion, with the previous record set by the RS-25 engine that powered the Space Shuttle. They recorded two 2,017 second tests in 1988. It's not lost on us that we're following a path those engineers blazed, and we're grateful for it. Grab the popcorn and enjoy watching 41 minutes of hotfire goodness.
>>17002391>First mission: 2028 Mars science orbiter (philanthropically funded, backed by Eric Schmidt).
>>17002397elon, your reponse???
>Instinct Space announced a significant pivot today from helping lunar surface missions find their way to getting in on the surface action itself.>The London-based startup joined Y Combinator in 2025 with the aim of developing a lunar-orbiting GPS constellation. Now, the company has shifted its vision, unveiling plans to build low-cost lunar landers, which will be capable of reaching the lunar surface from LEO.https://payloadspace.com/instinct-space-unveils-plans-for-low-cost-lunar-landers/interesting that lunar gps isnt economical
>>17002403hmmm...
>>17002391Relativity has way too many employees
https://research.33fg.com/analysis/spacex-ai1-a-subsystem-level-reconstruction
https://x.com/fxsmurphy/status/2067386973950451884>Busy day of media coverage at NASA Wallops! Capturing Northrop Grumman's Stargazer L-1011 plane and the Pegasus XL rocket as they prep for the late June mission to rescue the decaying Swift Observatory. Bonus: Got to watch the USAF Thunderbirds depart Wallops to head to their next airshow in Columbus, OH!
>>17002420>>17002422>>17002423sexy! It will be the end of an era when this final Pegasus takes to the sky
>>17002403"who?"
