YOUR BRAIN IS YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EMERGENT PROPERTY. FEAR DEATH.
Yes, i dont know why this is even an argument.
>>17002282>YOUR BRAIN IS YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS. IT IS NOTHING MORE THAN AN EMERGENT PROPERTY.yes>FEAR DEATH.non-sequitur
>>17002282>FEAR DEATHDeath is quite literally meaningless.
>>17002282>fear something that cannot exist while i exist Elaborate
>>17002282The world only exists cause I can sense itWhen I die the world endsWhy would I care about the lack of world after my death?
>>17002302I know what he means; In a strict physical model, you should fear the countless times your unique neural pattern will be revived in suffering conditions for brief moments laid end to end in infinite succession.
>>17002324It being physical would not imply that (although it might increase the probability)Maybe it's not about only the pattern, but also time. If time is one of the variables that make you you, then you would only exist once.
>>17002282The statement is problematic. There is zero evidence that consciousness even exists. One cannot reasonably start making assertions about something that has not even been shown to exist.
>>17002282No thanks, to be amongst the money worshipers is a fate worse than death
>>17002282Consciousness is not arising from AI as an emergent property, curious.Consciousness is an evolutionary spandrel that is in contact with a non-physical realm.Science can describe why the color red is associated with certain wavelengths of light, but it will never be able to explain why you experience the color red in exactly the way that you do, and no other way. (See: Mary’s Room thought experiment)That’s because conscious experience is happening on a non-material plane that our consciousness is in contact with. Our biology learned to contact this realm by evolutionary accident.Consciousness appears to serve no evolutionary purpose. Its an unnecessary middle-man in a universe where philosophical zombies would operate just fine.
>>17002439mark twain was a humorist. if he saw some people on the internet citing him to win arguments he'd call you a faggot
>>17002282your entire body is your consciousness, the interactions occur everywhere on an atomic level.
>>17002447If the Orchestrated Objective Reduction theory is right, consciousness takes place in quantum interactions in microtubules.Your brain isn’t a big dump truck. It’s a series of tubes.>>17002364Consciousness is quite literally the ONLY thing you can prove exists 100% through philosophy. Cogito ergo sum.
>>17002440>Consciousness is not arising from AI as an emergent property, curious.The degree to which AI can replicate the outward appearance and results of consciousness is actually pretty shocking. They prove that the vast majority of things that philosophers used to think was a special quality unique to beings with a soul or divine spark are actually trivial to replicate with a math equation and silicon wafers
>>17002450you have profound mental retardation
>>17002450Provide evidence to me that you are conscious.
>>17002443Nah, he'd be appreciative on how i was using the lightning
>>17002324>"Hoo, a tapeworm, then assistant to Lorne Michaels! It's going to be a rough couple of lifetimes."
>>17002282>>17002282Emergent property is a metaphysical black box with no causal mechanic. This is a nonscientific category error, and assumes reality is the your ideology.Filed under troll and reported for 39iq low effort post
>>17002451ELIZA already showed that consciousness is precisely the held belief that canonized subjective history is more important than material reality, just don't tell the Chomskyans.
>>17002520Kinda is, I'm not gonna live my life objectively, so fuck all that nonsense.
Checkmate
>>17002522Slop machine is right. If causality exists and the universe trends towards entropy and chaos then some outside force had to have created the universe. And if we have established that the universe can't create itself randomly without intention then whatever made the universe did it on purpose
Don't get cremated if you still have emergent properties to the physical structure connecting to time.
>>17002528Yeah that's the Google browser too. Sorry, not sorry. No refunds athiestic cicks.
>>17002282If consciousness is an emergent property then at what point does it emerge?
>>17002282Consciousness and hyper intelligence is a mutation of life, a failed one that won't last much longer. Hyper intelligence interferes with the basic systems of having young, in the past we created systems like religion that offset its failures but we are now beyond even that.
>>17002282science cannot resolve the hard problem of consciousness. i say this as agnostic scientist.
>>17002440Mary's Room is bad, not even the original author still thinks it's good.
>>17002600>Mary's Room is badThen how come it makes you mad and you can't refute it?
>>17002282>AN EMERGENT PROPERTYI'm afraid not. An emergent property is behaviour you can observe externally and empirically. You could say the brain's complex behaviours are emergent properties. However the fact of your own conscious experience is nothing like such emergent properties. It's essentially unexplainable.>>17002364So you deny your own consciousness? My consciousness is the only thing I can't doubt or deny. It's unavoidable, although I don't understand it whatsoever.
>>17002622What does "it isn't an emrgent property" even mean?If you are saying there is a soul or whatever you want to call it, how does it emerge? is it just there already?When does an embryo get a soul?
>>17002604Mary's Room doesn't even threaten physicalism. So lets say she learns something new, so what? She was never in a brain state that would produce knowledge of the color red. For this thought experiment to even threaten physicalism in principle, she would need to have the ability to operate on her own brain, in which case she most likely would know what it's like to see red.
>>17002769This the guy who came up with it said it himself.
>>17002440I kneel at the boldness of being the one mind-body dualist who fully commits to the entire baggage and accepts that, if P-zombies are possible, then it follows that we are literally just qualia zombies with a nonsensical coincidental correlation with consciousness.
>>17002764>What does "it isn't an emrgent property" even mean?What does "emergent property" mean? Usually it means something you can observe empirically. Some kind of complex behaviour that appears in a large system, that isn't obvious from the behaviour of the pieces.Your own consciousness is a completely different kind of thing. You can't observe consciousness empirically, only subjectively, but the fact of that observation is unavoidable unless you are an NPC or willing to be very dishonest with yourself.>If you are saying there is a soul or whatever you want to call it, how does it emerge? is it just there already?I don't know.>When does an embryo get a soul?I don't know.
>>17002282no evidence for that. just materialist cope lol
>>17002282I've met people with no brains who still possessed consciousness.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lr2K71gtZk4&ra=m
>>17002357That would be merciful. Sometimes I wonder if stars are giant instances of human pain states, roiling in and out of existence in the plasma sea.
>>17002907>claims there is no evidence>has no evidence for his own claims
>>17002943You think the universe can create itself
>>17002454>Provide evidence to me that you are conscious.Before I take the shot, let's ensure the goal posts are firm. What sort of evidence would you accept?
>>17002986Jesus Christ kicks infinite field goals, but I think that anon has successfully seethecoped his way through another day and is likely sleeping by now. My condolences, because I can tell you had a good methodology to deploy to the task.
>>17002974The universe didn't create itself, I think it may exist necessarily.What's the point of strawmanning? So I will drop a position I don't even hold?
>>17003075>I think it may exist necessarily.I think so too. It may be pseudoscience but i think that nothingness can't exist and because of that it just had to emerge somehow, even dark matter what we don't know is, is something,
>>17002454I can’t, but you are experiencing 24/7 evidence of your own consciousness.
>>17003147First of no, you are sleeping so not 24/7
>>17002282Consciousness being an emergent property of the brain does not sufficiently explain cases of veridical out of body experiences when the brain is not functioning. It’s an interesting phenomenon than warrants further study.
>>17003376Is there even one bullet proof case?
>>17003382the popemobile
>>17003383They don't have a lot of trust in God huh
>>17003386Lack of God is the criterion of their entire worldview. It doesn't matter how whacky and retarded the hypothesis is, as long as it lacks God its scientifically valid until falsified :)
You also don't have to prove why your math maths the way it does. You can just slap "emergent properties" or "it's complex" or "it just works that way because the math of the sinusoid sinusoids itself" or "it's an artifact of the math" to paper over the lack of specificity and rigour.
>>17002299Because it isn't, jidf.
>>17002451>The degree to which AI can replicate the outward appearance and results of consciousness is actually pretty shocking. Hi Professor Dawkins, still doubling down?
>>17003376>>>/x/
>>17003482Nah, anon is correct. Just like you're writing a physics paper you cannot use the same symbol to describe to entirely different facets of a theory as a black box to skip demonstrating the mechanic each symbol invokes, "emergent property" is not a get out of jail free card.
>using my LLM research assistant to help with an operationalization note>I'm the one that tells it when a section draft we're working on looks good enough to lock-in for the time being>today, *it* tries to tell *me* that a section should be locked-in*gulp*
