What made them this way?
In a hundred years the invention of things like the internet and automobiles will be attributed to some yet to be named Indian.
White people are more independent in thought. They don’t conform nearly as much as others. This lends to higher creative streaks, but also more friction, perhaps. Asians had prosperity for long periods because they didn’t shake the boat the same way westerners did.
>>17004406White people are contrarian?
>>17004401"Comin, Easterly, and Gong (2010)""in 1000 BC and 1500AD European people were more technologically advanced than any other group and in 0 AD they tied with Asia.""Western Europe was the richest region in the world for nearly all the last 2,000 years. The only exception is 1000 AD""Murray (2004) collected 183 comprehensive encyclopedias, histories, etc., of innovation in various fields and made a list of those individuals who were included in at least 50% of the qualified sources within a given field. Murray found that this measure had an extremely high degree of statistical reliability (.93) by showing that arbitrarily breaking the sources into two groups produced two sets of basically identical results. Murray also showed that the same results emerged when he compared sources from different parts of the world, suggesting that eurocentrism did not significantly plague the analysis.""in 1 AD Africa was richer than Eastern Europe and Eastern Asia. In 1 AD Africa was also richer than Africa in 1820 AD.""Ancient levels of technology are not the only early predictor of modern success. For instance, the number of years an area has had agriculture or a state correlates with their 2005 GDP per capita at .23 and .26. Adjusting for ancestry raises these correlations to .46 (agriculture) and .48 (state history) (Spolaore and Wacziarg, 2013)In fact, these variables, in addition with a population’s latitude, and whether or not it is either on an Island or landlocked, can statistically explain 52%-59% of the current variation in national income.""the genetic distance between a population and the United states, in conjunction with the previously mentioned geographic variables, statistically explains 50% of current national variation in wealth. If you add to this model the percentage of a nation that is European, 55% of national wealth variation can be statistically accounted for."https://archive.fo/gSSdm
>>17004409But I was told that Asia was richer and had richer resources but did nothing with them until the white man got a hold of their riches and resources?
>>17004413Who told you that?
>>17004414Saltpetre was referred to as “Chinese snow” for the longest time because it was so fucking common over there. And there are records of blackpowder being made eight hundred years before its official discovery, which implies that the Chinese did NOTHING with it, for the longest time.Meanwhile white people and Arabs did a lot with it once it reached them. This is why Chinese people don’t like using blackpowder as an example of their inventiveness, since they’re then forced to compare themselves with the people who ACTUALLY innovated with it.
>>17004417>ArabsMore like Islamized Persians*
>>17004401Old list. Charles Murray's list is immensely fraudulent because he scanned encyclopedia's as his "source" and had an arbitrary year cut off.>>>17004406>White people are more independent in thought. They don’t conform nearly as much as others. This lends to higher creative streaks, but also more friction, perhaps.Stop speaking in such shitty and broad generalizing strokes.
>>17004427"How much are these estimates of eminence a matter of current fashion? “Reflections of the state of expert opinion as of the last half of 20C” raises the next question. To what extent are we taking a snapshot of expert opinion at an arbitrary point in time that is mostly a matter of fashion and may be quite different a hundred years from now? For assessing recent people and events, this objection has force. Will string theory and punctuated equilibrium turn out to be major scientific discoveries? Insights that are not quite right but eventually inspire the right answer? Major goofs? Will Andy Warhol and Thomas Pynchon be seen as significant figures in art and literature or will they soon be forgotten? The principal way I have dealt with this problem is to assume that answers to such questions are little better than guesses, and to avoid such guesses by cutting off the inventories at 1950. This cutoff date means that I have excluded people and events in the scientific inventories that will be of major historic importance, but there is plenty of material for analyzing human accomplishment in the sciences without the events of the last 50 years. In the arts, it is not clear that cutting off the inventories at 1950 involves the loss of much material at all. No doubt some art, music, and literature created from 1950 to the present will survive, but it is hard to imag¬ ine that the last half-century will be seen as producing an abundance of time¬ less work. Does fashion remain a problem for assessing events and people before 1950?The answer depends on the inventory. For inventories dealing with the sciences, technology, mathematics, and medicine, fashionability seems to be only a minor problem. Given the pace of contemporary science, 50 years of reexamination and replication of findings is a long time for a false finding to survive. "
>>17004427You just need to compare east and west to see how westerners diverged a lot more compared to easterners who conformed a lot more. Both had their own pros and cons. Asia had longer running streaks of prosperity, but also incredibly awful national civil wars to compensate. Europe had drastic advances in science and technology since they weren’t nationally focused, or unified, and international intrigue allowed for more competitive innovation. Europeans still conformed in their own way and Asians still innovated in their own ways, but these traits are more so pronounced on one side or the other.
>>17004401Meanwhile, race is a crock of pseudo-science.... >GTFO anon
>>17004438Even if your cope were true, it would still have nothing to do with the accomplishments of the European SOCIAL race.
>>17004434>Asia had longer running streaks of prosperity, but also incredibly awful national civil wars to compensateAlos applies to Europe too.>Europe had drastic advances in science and technology since they weren’t nationally focused, or unified, and international intrigue allowed for more competitive innovation.Europe wasn't a monolith and markets were still pretty seperate from each other. >Europeans still conformed in their own way and Asians still innovated in their own ways, but these traits are more so pronounced on one side or the otherYou are trying to push such a contrived line of thinking.
>>17004439>accomplishments of the European SOCIAL race.Nigga what the fuck does that mean? You are literally tripping yourself up to come up with this shit.
"In 2004 Leonard Lieberman reviewed several surveys of anthropologists in North America and Europe, and found that 31% of anthropologists in North America recognized race, while 43% in Europe recognized race""In 2001, Sun and Strkalj looked at 779 articles in “Acta Anthropologica Sinica”,China’s only biological anthropological journal. They were able to get 74 of the 78 issues that existed from 1982 to 2001. In it they found that 324 articles dealt with human variation. They described their results:“When we applied Cartmill’s approach to the Chinese sample we found that all of the articles used the race concept and none of them questioned its value.""A survey done by Snyderman and Rothman in 1984 found that 45% of researchers said that the black-white IQ gap was a mixture of genes and environment, 1% said it was totally genetic, 15% said that it was totally environmental, 14% did not respond, and 24% said there was insufficient evidence:For the survey in 2013 by Rindermann, Coyle & Becker, they found that 42% of the 228 experts though that 0-40% of the black-white IQ gap was due to genes, 18% said that 50% of the gap was due to genes, and 39% said that 60-100% of the black-white IQ gap was due to genes:In addition, 17% said that the black-white IQ gap was 0% genetic, and 5% of the experts said that the black-white gap was 100% genetic."https://archive.fo/TDZem
>>17004441If race is a social construct, then obviously the social constuct of Whites could have greater accomplishment than other social constructs. Are you following?
>>17004427>The East“Unified empires like those in China benefited from long periods of immense stability and widespread cultural cohesion. However, this structure often favored centralized control, state-enforced ideological conformity (like strict Confucianism), and a reliance on existing technologies rather than aggressive experimentation, which could lead to periods of stagnation. Furthermore, the collapse of these unified dynasties often sparked catastrophic civil wars.>The West“Europe was highly fragmented into competing kingdoms and city-states. This lack of overarching unification created intense international rivalry and intrigue. Innovators and thinkers could flee censorship in one country and find patronage in another, fostering a uniquely competitive environment for scientific and technological advancement.”>Summarization “Asia historically focused more on holistic thinking, interdependence, and maintaining societal harmony. Europe in contrast developed a tradition that emphasized individual freedom, independence, analytical thinking, and private enterprise, which laid the groundwork for the Scientific and Industrial Revolutions, and the resultant Great Divergence.”
>>17004440>You are trying to push such a contrived line of thinkingYou’re assuming everyone thinks and approaches nature the same way. They don’t. Asians and Europeans do not and have never thought things through the same way. China: “happiness is a full and bloated belly”Europe: “happiness is having some bread to eat”
>>17004447This is basically just a story with no quantitative data to back it up or perform tests on.
>>17004450It’s called comparing histories and cultures, east and west, anon. Contemporary cultures tend to be… contemporary… If you really think we’re all the same, you are in for a pretty rude awakening at some point in time.
>>17004451>If you really think we’re all the same, you are in for a pretty rude awakening at some point in time.I definitely don't. It's just that stories aren't really testable or incredibly clear in their interpretation.
>>17004450There’s tons of data. Confucianism compared to European governance is a big one. You also have socialism. Chinese people are conformist and managed socialism (a mindset based on conformity) better than the people who came up with it, since Europeans, despite coming up with socialism, are still a lot more independent and prone to going against the grain.
>>17004452You definitely do think we’re all the same if you deny what made China so strong, prosperous, and so undivided for so long. The whole charm of Europe is that it wasn’t like that.
The future will have China running the world but looking to white/western brains and geniuses to open new doorways (for them to steal).
>>17004450So you think the system of running a given population is irrelevant to how they turn out? Hm.
>>17004455>China running the world but looking to white/western brains and geniuses to open new doorways (for them to steal).China has it's own education pipeline anon. All of East Asia does and I think they'll collaborate more as Europe and the USA destroy their own education system so they can strip it of copper wiring so to speak.
>>17004453>managed socialism (a mindset based on conformity)It's not. Holyshit you gotta stop with the shitty dude-broing
>>17004445>then obviously the social constuct of Whites could have greater accomplishment than other social constructs.So some illiterate Forest Finn and a Venetian elite are the same? Fuck off.
>>17004458Um. Yes they have. Their socialism despite all its horrendous faults (let’s not pretend socialism is a good thing) works better than any other socialist shithole. They uplifted hundreds of millions out of poverty. It’s still an awful nation but it did better than Russia.
>>17004458>it’s notSocialism is being a bug in a hive. Cope.
>>17004459On average, retard.
>>17004465Socialism is impossible.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzHA3KLL7Hohttps://menghu.substack.com/p/how-economic-freedom-mitigates-crisis?utm_source=publication-searchhttps://www.weforum.org/stories/2019/05/why-chinas-state-owned-companies-still-have-a-key-role-to-play/https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sekk5wUU8is
>>17004493You are trying to claim the individual achievements of others so you can bask in the glory of vaguely looking similar to them. How much of a failure are you?
>>17004401Order, sense of cause and effect, sense of absolute truthI'm not being racist, that's what the Smithsonian said in 2020 as "assumptions from whiteness"
>>17004530>poor man's psychoanalysis
