Do cells have consciousness?
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>>17009049One way to prove this would be to have another single celled consciousness confirm it for us, and you're the closest thing we've got. Keep up the good work, OP.
>>17009052Aren’t we multi celled organisms?>dis mfer just called himself a single celled organism
>>17009049No but my farts do.
>>17009049Cells have microbubbules so yes.
>>17009049yes. it's why blastocysts are humans.
>>17009049Is a brick a house?
>>17009049Like SCOI'm pretty sure yea
>>17009067omg
>>17009049yes, your body is a bughive of billions of cucked pathologically altruistic amoebas. From them a newer consciousness forms
>>17009049Yes. No. Maybe.>>17009051Interlinkeded
>>17009049It's hard to tell. Some people talk about different grades of consciousness, but to me something either has a "what it feels like to be" state or it doesn't. There's no gray area there, that doesn't make any sense.If I were to put money on single cells having this state, then I would say no. I think consciousness requires a level of complexity beyond that of a cell, like a brains neural network made of billions of cells with orders of magnitude more connections between them. Now the question becomes at what level of complexity does something become conscious.
>>17009067Only when you project them to someone, (like cells; that was the pun)
>>17009543This is an extreme level of cope dude. You are just projecting your current state outwards without rigorously interrogating "what it feels like to be" means. A basic sensor that measures another sensor has the state of "what it feels like to be the other sensor" you are just describing meta-sensing. Pull your head out your ass
>>17009049Read pic related. No, individual cells do not have "consciousness". Consciousness isn't a single unified process either, but hodge podge of many mechanistic systems which tend to work together constructively. Even if you don't buy into dennett's teleofunctionalism, almost certainly we should be eliminativists about the unworkable and innefective ways we describe mental contents today
i guess it depends on wdym by mentioning consciousness
>>17009825No, it doesn't. Unless there's some panpsychist bullshit going on at a fundamental level, there is no feeling of what it's like to be a basic mechanical sensor, the same way there is no feeling what it's like to be a rock. The "what it's like to be" feeling is consciousness. A sensor almost certainly isn't conscious.
>>17009049everything has a level of awareness, as information is being exchanged and processed... whether you call that consciousness or not is up to you!
>>17009856That isn't what consciousness is, so it's a non sequitur
>>17009049Probably not.
>>17009049Yes.The cell is the most basic unit of life.You are nothing but cells.If cells don't have consciousness then what does? You would have to argue that consciousness somehow exists somewhere outside your body which there is no real evidence to suggest. And of course there's nothing to support the idea that anything not made of cells has consciousness either.
>>17009898Consciousness could be formed from your neural network in your brain, which is made from cells, but that doesn't mean each cell is conscious
>>17009049Lets imagine they do for a second. Put yourself into the shoes of the cell. What is your existence like? As a young stem cell, are you excited to know into what kind of a cell will you turn into? Are you proud that you are a cell in a heart or are you jealous that you are not in the brain? Do you get sad when your own twin brother cell stops responding to you? Do you get scared when a virus flies over you and pushes its big dick straight into your brain, overwriting your memories with its own, turning your whole being into a virus factory? How desperate do you get when you realize that soon you will explode and doom rest of your twin cells into the same fate? Of course you dont know any of this. All you know is that this hurts and that feels good. But did it always feel good? Are you capable of remembering that? You do have some memory but not really for this. You just do what you are told. You have orders to fulfill printed into your very existence. You dont have to think or predict anything. Just follow the god damn orders and survive as long as you can.I think it is better if we imagine they don't. Life is fucked up enough and doesn't need more suffering. They have no need for it. There is no advantage for them, no self realization unless you think cancer is that very thing. There is no grand future to imagine for a cell. Who am I kidding, of course they do. This universe doesn't have any notion of decency. If they were not conscious, would they try so hard to live? Whats worse it doesn't even matter since it all runs on statistics anyway.
Cells are biological machines, but then so are we. We just have enough complexity and international state to self model, and represent ourselves in the world.
