This will surely end well
>>17009973Good, better understanding will allow to remove the curses the gods put on mankind.
>>17009976The curse was knowledge itself.
>>17009973>"ABIOGENESIS IS A LIE AND THERE HASN'T BEEN ANY PROGRESS SINCE MILLER UREY!">"NOOO THAT DOESN'T COUNT NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
It's completely man made off of nature
>>17010000delet this
>>17009973Gonna need a better source for that scientific claim than a news corporation
>>17010003mods get rid of this person immediately.
>>17009973>90000 base pairs (all genes pulled from nature)>Has to be fed ribosomes (not manmade) and other complex material to reproduceInteresting. 90,000 base pairs and can't reproduce on its own. That means this minimal cell would have a chance of 1 in 4 to the 90,000 to produce spontaneously.>>17010012Paper hasn't been released yet.
>>17009973Nothingburger.
Somethingburger.
>>17009986There was no mutual agreement to know it.
>>17010000checked, if a single researcher used AI they have no basis to claim a patent
>>17009973Dont show them this
>>17009996>intelligent lab design proves abiogenesisEvolutionists are now using intelligent design as proof for evolution
>>17010000>>17010025>>17010060>>17010094>>17010120You're all so retarded it's actually sad.The complete theory of abiogenesis will be solved within 10 years and you retards coping about it isn't going to stop it. God does not exist. Christ is not king. Get over it.
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>>17010133>no experiment can replicate pure RNA forming under realistic circumstancesThis is wrong, and just saying "whatever you link is not pure RNA" is pathetic cope. You're retarded. >Dozens of labs, thousands of experiments, no resultsThis is pathetically wrong. The field has advanced immensely over the past few decades. It will be solved within 10 years. You're a coping moron.
>>17010128ah yes, you must be chad thundercock ultra mega model who is fucking 50 stacies a week. i've seen a few selfies of people who post this kind of image. it's fucking hilarious.
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>>17010141post selfie xD
>>17009973Encapsulating your experiment in a lipid membrane does not make it life.
>>17010128rds
>>17010136"RNA-like molecules" are not pure RNA. Just like banana-shaped stones aren't real bananas.
>>17009996>oooooh some faggots in a lab created something that doesn't work as life (but it kinda looks like it), this means it's totally possible IRL when you had rocks crashing into each other
>>17010185>"RNA-like molecules" are not pure RNANo, they produce RNA>>17010186Abiogenesis is not "rocks crashing into each other". You subhuman denialists are cringe and low IQ. Get over it buddy. Abiogenesis is real and it happened. We're almost done solving it. Evolution is a fact of reality. The bible has been disproved. Jesus didn't rise and he is never coming back, you fell for a 2000 year old cult grift.
>>17010187>evolutionfairly obvious truth>abiogenesiscompletely unrelated fairy tale. Do you expect me to believe something as complex and delicate as a cell capable of self-replication just happened to exist one day, in suitable conditions, and managed to grow, and managed to go on to evolve? Before life, what was there? Rocks? Magma? Maybe some oxygen or water? Shit was bleak back in the Hadean.
And now for a bunch of smart people to screech at each other like a bunch of howler monkeys.
>>17010187>No, they produce RNAThey do not. These RNA-like molecules are nothing that is found in biology.
>>17010198>a bunch of (self-perceived) smart peopleftfy!
>>17010200this. anon nailed it.
>>17010194https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molecular_evolutionsee e.g.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/3479788/
>>17009973They made an artificial cancer?
>>17010210>Molecular evolution describes how inherited DNA and/or RNA change over evolutionary time, and the consequences of this for proteins and other components of cells and organismswow so simple, fully formed DNA, RNA and self-replication mechanisms could totally form by chance>muh study>the model assumes that>a small number of micromolecular substances were present at high concentration>a random assembly mechanism combined these molecules into a variety of multimeric compounds comprising a wide repertoire of rudimentary catalytic activities>a lytic system capable of breaking down the assembled products existed>catalysts supplied with substrates were significantly protected against breakdownok so you're assuming multi-animo proteins just show up which happen to perform "a wide repetoire of rudimentary catalytic activities", just so happening in large concentrations, and just so happening to have a "lytic system capable of breaking down assembled products", and none of this would break down for random reasons?Get a better study, I only read the abstract and it already fails completely to prove your point
>>17010237yes, this happened over billions of years, you being skeptical about it has nothing to do with anything given the massive timescales and the scarcity of data on the nature of the environments that existed, you literally have no legitimate reason to say it didn't happen
>>17010260>half your crazy conditions somehow get met at once>randomly gets blown apart>try again in a million years I guess?I'm a statistics student, and you're trying to tell me that ten very unlikely events all happening at once, is likely? Nah. Even over a billion years, it's not happening.
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>>17010210>modelDropped. You don't understand the current paradigm. You see the evolutionary lens is a false construction that was used to brow beat a disinterested public. The loophole is closed.A model is not a fact, it isn't a scientific theory. It is a made up story. Making up a model does not make the claim true.>given the God model reality looks like this tooDone. Refuted. Your belief in replicators is a retarded baseless dogma.
>>17010267We directly observe replicators.
>>17010237>fully formed DNA, RNA and self-replication mechanismsThese are not required for early self replicating molecules that then eventually evolve into proto cells or whatever
>>17009973why are dumb fucks so terrified of science? I remember when you retards thought the LHC was going to destroy the planet
>>17010268You are introducing a terminological fallacy by hiding behind the regular terminology of replicator as those which are actually observed such as autocatalysts, lattice replication, or already living cell replicators, like machinery recreated RNA.These are not the kinds of replicator in question. The replicator in question wants to invoke natural selection, which is to say the replicator specifically replicate into things which are not it - not a replicator. It also replicates in a manner which decreases entropy, a violate of thermodynamics and the chemistry premise outright. It has also never been observed which makes it in violation of the scientific process. It also is tailored fit to eventual protein synthesis - this is an unjustified application of retroductive logic It is unjustified across a couple of different metrics, but the primary reason is because of the contradiction with the underlying premises, whether that is entropy or formal methodologies that mandate the presupposition in the first place. The existence of such a replicator chiefly violates chemistry. Maxwell's demon is one thought experiment that retroactively BTFOs this modern materialist insecurity.
I hope you retards realize that you're already surrounded by like ... 10^30 living cells all running a brute force search algorithm to find the most successful replicator, which is not necessity the most efficient or intelligent
>>17010260"Billions" might be such a large number that it dazzles your tiny mind but its not a long enough span of time if the thing you want to happen is infinitesimally unlikely.
>>17010266Damn I wanted to be the one to post it. Thankfully there's a new reason at least once a month.
>>17010262>>17010287again, you retards have no idea what environmental conditions existed so you can't rely on statistics because all you have is current data, so the only conclusions you can make about then can't possibly be using your current assumptions, it's like looking at a cooked egg and arguing that it was never liquid to begin with, you ignored the heat, the shell and the chicken
>>17010127Discovering the mechanism does not disprove God. The mechanisms are what God uses to shape the universe. If you think the universe can create itself for no reason then you are a retard
>>17010337If you think God can create itself for no reason then you are a retard.
It's funny because people still treat biological life as somewhat magical when it comes to any other existence. But this was bound to happen. We will create life and we will not know what to do with it.
>>17010337The universe has no need of a creator. If it's mathematical in nature, then it's part of the full ensemble of possible logical structures. From the perspective of the observers inside the universe, possible and real are identical.
>>17010127Christ IS KING
>>17009973Based.
>>17010120Okay. God was intelligently designed by God 2, who was intelligently designed by God 3, who... was intelligently designed by God 589,930, who...
>>17010025>this minimal cellYes. There are many other variations that would result in the same proteins being produced, though.
>God tells us to go be fruitful and multiply>also tells us the animals exist for our use>after we already ate the fruit of knowledge of good & evilYou know I can't help but think this is a lesson in, "Oh, you think you have what it takes to be God? Well, give it a shot and I'll check in every so often to see if you still feel that way, and when you think you're done we can have a chat again."
>>17011039None of that actually happened. The bible isn't the word of god and the shit in the bible isn't real, anon. Adam and Eve didn't exist.
>>17010490Christ is dead.
>>17011046Proof?
>>170101331. Makibg kfie in conditions where everything on earth is already completely inundated with life is nearly impossible because existing life snuffs it out to quickly 2. The Michurinists were correct and life formed before DNA or RNA
>>17011062Genetic diversity of humans alone, let alone all life, disproves genesis. The bible says the earth is flat with a dome and doesn't move, which is wrong.There much more but these alone are sufficient. With that said, what is it with you retarded christians that you've taken to thinking that asking for "proof" of the falsity of your religion is an argument? It's like you losers think you can take the negation of a claim as requiring argumentation because you don't understand what a null hypothesis is. Why are you on /sci/, retard?
>>17009973>Thinking Pink Goo scenario will actually happenGive it up. Nothing ever happens.
>>17009973i struggle to imagine anything bad coming from thisit's just an additional abiogenesis step fleshed out. that's good, it means the model is holding, but it's not conclusive proof; this isn't made from molecular soup, just reconstituted whole proteins/fats/amino acids. i mean, they have to add whole ribosomes to make these function for a few generations.it's cool, but i think people are overhyping itonly the preprint is out right now anyway, wait until the study is published
>>17009973The end times are coming. The ungodly men are pretending to be God by endlessly mocking his creation and for this they will surely receive the harshest judgement.
>>17012310You're retarded
>>17010399Math isn't real though, the universe isn't governed by math like some outside force. The "rules" of math and science arise as the universe takes form, it's a self-contained entity. You can't say math controls the universe when there was a time when math could not describe the universe. Constants and laws are held in place conditionally.
>>17009973wow, evolution did this?that's crazy!!>no, it was createdmillions of years of evolution produced that cell, there is no such thing as scientists.
