Why are psychiatric nurses and psychiatrists so dogmatically adamant and argumentative that mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain when all current medical research disproves this?
>>17010477>Why are psychiatric nurses and psychiatrists so dogmatically adamant and argumentative that mental illness is caused by a chemical imbalanceThey are not and they never were.It was just something some "science communicators" decided to go with. The rest is mass media repeating it.
>>17010477They're not really dogmatic about it. It's just the short-hand explanation they tell people who insist on having an answer.The evidence in support of chemical imbalance theory is that the drugs work. So to say there's "no evidence" is blatantly false. The discussion about how shaky that evidence is has been going on for decades and everyone vaguely aware of the state of the field understands that. Understanding how to fix a problem often doesn't require knowing what originally caused the problem. So "chemical imbalace theory" pretty much only exists as a satisfying story to tell.
>>17010477Could you post a link to the study not cited in your image? Or actually, even just a citation without a link (just something to actually find the original study that your image is referencing).
>>17010477Because you can feed a patient some mind-altering substances and watch their mood (or even their deeply held convictions) do a 180. So they make the basic grug inference that there's some chemical state where the patient wouldn't be depressed, but the patient can't stay in that state for some reason, therefore "chemical imbalances". If they had to admit they're dealing with a dynamical system with no clear direction of causality (chemicals "cause" moods and thoughts but likewise thoughts "cause" moods and chemical changes) they would have to admit they have no idea what to do with the patients.
>>17010557Heroin works too, kek. Shit for brains reasoning.
>>17010551False
>>17010557Medfags are witchers
>>17010477It's one of those technically true statements that explains nothing. Yeah, technically the chemicals in your brain (everything is made of chemicals) are arranged incorrectly, we just have no clue which chemicals in what arrangement or how to fix it.
>>17010477Because they get kickbacks from pharma corps if they get their patients hooked on drugs.Obviously.
>>17010625Yes, heroin is still provided by hospitals in the UK. Your statement doesn't even begin to form a counter argument.
psychiatry should delegate much more, and fully map anatomical and biomechanical structures before giving pills, but pills give kickbacks and anatomical and biomechanical imaging doesn't and also is less available and much more expensivealso drugs are fun too
>>17010727>>17010762No (honest) doctor or psychiatrist receives kickbacks for writing prescriptions. That's grounds for losing your medical license and literal prison time.
>>17010477Mental illness is caused by being tortured as an infant
The "chemical imbalance" theory was proven wrong decades ago, but nobody wants to admit it because we don't have a better system to explain it yet, or a better way to treat those symptoms and behaviors.There probably is a tiny population of people suffering a genuine neurochemical imbalance, but that's obviously and evidently not the case for most people.
>>17010770What country are you in? lol
>>17010477NPCs.>>17010551NPC.
>>17010810The United States, where it has been a felony since 1986.Where the hell are you from?
>>17010477Finding no evidence isn't disproof. In fact everyone I see "study finds no evidence" and then an article saying it's untrue I immediately assume they manipulate the topic and assume it's true.
>>17010477>>17010987That said the real reason for depressing is if you don't live naturally. Beeing single, having no kids, living in a city, eating vegetables and grains and too little meat (and never eating raw meat), etc. These are things not natural for us and therefore they cause depression.
>>17010477If mental illness isn't caused by disorder in the reactions that create the mental self then where is it caused?
>>17010789lol ur a retard, suck my circumcised dick
>>17010988eating vegetables as a omnivore is unnatural? lol sounds like cope to me, just cuz YOU are fat doesnt mean vegetables are bad for you
>>17010477yeah bro it's not a chemical imbalance. mental illness was solved over 100 years ago. hysteria was caused by impurities in the uterus. remove the afflicted tissue! are you depressed? remove some brain tissue with a lobotomy. adhd? i think amputating your legs should work.
>>17010789thank u for admitting ur mentally ill lol!
>>17010574Psychiatry has ever been a profession refusing to admit it's trying to describe the outside of a box from inside the box.
>>17010762People have mental illnesses now. Are you proposing we wait decades to solve the riddle of the human mind (something almost the entirety of the thinking human class have been trying to do for over two thousand years) before dealing with madmen and women? If nothing else, some form of triage is warranted. If you don't care about them, you should at least care about the damage they do to the sane and their society.
There's no misarrangement reflective of depression because depression is not a disease state and the arrangement of your brain which produces it is thus not a misarrangement. It is a state like anger or fear, it tells you something is wrong with the externalities of your life, not internal to you. Most likely you have been persistently attacked and wronged, and your discontent called depression is to help motivate you to act in otherwise antisocial ways to liberate yourself.
>>17010642So true. Schizophrenia is explained by this
>>17011106Being sad sometimes is not the same thing as depression.If any state of mind is persistent and reliably causes problems for the person experiencing it, that state is pathological by definition.
>>17010477There are things that are universally agreed on as being a mental illness and things that differ between cultures.None or all of these things, aside from the obvious severe disconnects such as hallucinations/true schizophrenia and etc., may in fact be completely arbitrary. An alien species might study us and think what we consider normal is an entire abberration.
>>17011019how about simply actually applying stuff we know in a timely fashion instead of appealing to outdated ontology and epistemology and providing the strongest iatrogenic harm feedback loop that exists in the modern world?
>>17010477Even if clinical depression exists, its been totally overshadowed by circumstantial depression. I think its very possible that when depression was first described it was actually a real medical disease. But today most depression is due to intolerable conditions of life. The modern world is literal hell.
>>17010477What do you expect from the medical profession. They torture patients, including babies, all the time.
>>17011134>how about simply actually applying stuff we know in a timely fashionThat's what we're doing. Antidepressants work. That much we do know. The underlying mechanism for why they work is irrelevant.Chances are you have no misgivings about turning a device off and then back on to fix tech problems even if you're not positive what caused the malfunction or why it helped in that particular situation.
>>17011111Except being gay, transexual, black, etc
>>17011111Nobody mentioned the word sad at all, disingenuous illogical hebrew. If you are persistently discontent, it's because the externalities of the world have reasonably aggravated this sentiment in you
>>17010477this is so they could sell lots of drugs. simple as. many such cases.https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bPcgoaZjsu8&pp=0gcJCUwLAYcqIYzv&ra=m
>>17011170Transvestic disorder is still in the DSM. And "black" isn't a mental state.>>17011171>calls others illogical>completely ignores the argument Normal, healthy people are able to live normal, healthy lives even under unfortunate circumstances. Depression becomes pathological when it interferes with that ability normal, healthy people have. When it manifests as anhedonia (inability to find pleasure in normally pleasant activities) or loss of executive function (inability to make or follow through will plans independently), then that psychological state is acting as a barrier to addressing the environmental issues which may or may not be the cause of the mental state. The drugs act as a crutch to address these exact issues.
>>17011177Being black is as much a mental state as tranny or gay. Accompanying physical symptoms don't magic away the black mental state
>>17011177Morality (normal, healthy submissive slave lives) within a particular culture at a particular time is not a scientific discussion. It is pseudoscience. Medicine is scientific. Under the anti scientific paradigm you described, persistently agitated negro slaves were merely mentally ill and the emancipation proclamation was the indulgence of mental illness.
>>17011177You also did not make an argument. You strung together nonsequitir statements with a fallacious self-fecalizing degenerate dishonest strawmam construction by trying to redirect the conversation to the ideas you falsely introduced, like intermittent sadness.
>>17011179Racial variation in the prevalence of mental disorders is beyond the scope of this thread. The fact that people of any particular race are often free of any mental pathology contraindicates designating the race, itself, a disorder. This is not a NAXALT argument. You are just committing a category error by asserting a general rule in a discussion about specific pathologies.
>>17011186Not an argument. Blackness is no less a pathological state than depression under your defining criteria. If that is an issue you, the argument is to be had wholly with your own inconsistent cognition.
>>17011188As most people with depression are also high functioning, and indeed depressed whites are objectively less anhedonic than nondepressed blacks. Only tautologically defining depression as pathology achieves the ideological goal of establishing it's existence as a disease state
>>17011183>>17011184You are, again, ignoring the argument. I said nothing about morality.If your mental state is consistently causing you problems, then it is pathological regardless of what's causing it. The "agitated slave" point is a strawman. Even in slavery, under very unfortunate conditions, a mentally healthy person can still do their best with their shit lot in life. Objectional defiance in a situation where someone very obviously holds authority over you is pathological. Having irrational, ineffective outbursts when in shackles is pathological. Though a healthy response can include a wide range of effective coping strategies or even acts of defiance if it can rationally improve your lot in life.
>>17011188>Blackness is no less a pathological state than depression under your defining criteriaIncorrect and I already explained why. Reasserting your conclusion does not make your case stronger.>>17011189>most people with depression are also high functioningWhat do you mean by "high functioning" on this context?
>>17011192Just as I said nothing about sadness, you used moral words like normal and healthy.
>>17011198You're still fixated on the use of the word "sad" and ignoring the argument presented.Likewise, "normal" and "healthy" are not moral standards. Subjective and context-dependant, sure. But those words hold no ethical weight here.
>>17010825Your doctors get paid per patient vaccinated for example. There's some legal loophole that allows it.
>>17010789Aren't women are on more antidepressants than men.
>>17011392It's not a "loophole" because it's literally not the same thing. The companies who develop these vaccines have nothing to do with those incentive programs. It's insurance providers. Insurance companies have a vested interest in ensuring their clients receive preventive care as it saves them money on treatment later down the line. This is the polar opposite of what people are insinuating when they talk about doctors "receiving kickbacks" for prescibing medication. The latter is a felony.
>>17011446You're either unbelievably naive or one of the medfags. Go drink some liters of californian aids patient blood donations.
>>17011451You just don't know what you're talking about. No particular medication manufacturer even benefits from these incentives since the insurer doesn't care if it's one company's vaccine or their direct competitor.Btw, the payouts aren't even "per patient vaccinated." The insurer set goals like "80% of your patients who are insured through us should get the flu shot this year" and, if that goal is met, they get a bonus. It's also not even for individual doctors, but the entire institution.
>>17010477Fundamental attribution error, seeing other people as a bunch of dopamine animals, and yourself as the sole creature on earth whose mind runs on cognitive load theory with the frontal lobe burning through the brain's supply of glucose too quickly
>>17010477Because they can't just say it's caused by dystopia.
>>17011457Nobody believes you.
>>17011478You can live in your fantasy world if you want. Conspiracies are fun to entertain. But the Anti Kickback Statute is easily searchable and it's easy to find cases where people got prosecuted because they *thought* they found a loophole.The law is intent based and if they find that you intended to recieve compensation for providing specific referrals then they will slam the hammer on you even if you technically followed it by the letter.
>>17011486we live in a world where it took 20 years to figure out a crackpot doc was straight up murdering women, I don't have to sit here and have my intelligence insulted by someone as fucked in the head as you.people do bad things. get over it.
1. science doesn't say depression is caused JUST by chemical imbalance. depression literally causes regions of your brain to fucking shrink in size.2. the idea that depression is only related to serotonin or dopamine dysfunction is outdated by decades, as science now knows ketamine is an effective treatment for depression. Ketamine acts only on glutamate, not serotonin or dopamine3. any psychiatrist, nurse practitioner, etc. who's worth their salt will emphasize that medication alone isn't sufficient to treat depression for most people, you need to work out your problems too, or at least change the way you think about them
>>17011489That you think this is a good argument sure makes me question your intelligence. Idk what specific case you're referring to and I don't have to. The existence of successful criminals does not indicate any particular crime is common, insufficiently prosecuted, or even remotely relevant to the experience of the average person. Trying to justify the sentiment in this post >>17010727 by saying "criminals exist" is like saying everyone's driving a stolen car because car thieves exist.
Depression is lack of religion. Regardless of veracity you gotta fill that void with something. Christianity, buddhism, animism, the tao, pele, shinto, industrial society, the burning man festival, patriotism, astronomy, anything you can think of.
>>17010477Depression comes from learned helplessness I think. I wonder about people discovering "false" helplessness and identifying it. I guess if someone is truly helpless depression may be for the best. The problem is if they are not and are being made inactive by it for no reason.
>>17010642>witchersHenry Cavill or Liam Hemsworth
>>17011486>the law says the law works>denying this is illegal btw
>>17011192holy dissociative disorder >>17011468
>>17011646I would like you to elaborate on why you think this response has anything to do with my post.
>>17011650you're presupposing rationality as if it was inherent or even beneficial, while rationality itself is already contingent on not being in an environment that disrupts healthy developmentsee henry murray
>>17011700Are you confusing rational behavior with absolute truth?But then also, in the same breath you imply that the perception of "what is rational" in terms of social health precludes what is correct i.e. anything for survival is justifiable.That is to say your ultimate position can be summarized as "fuck rules and laws and reality and shit".Thus invalidating your entire argument as you have merely painted yourself as a socially unhealthy predator.This is interesting keep trying to defend yourself or explain real life or whatever it is you're imagining.
Psychiatry is a cult that abducts its victims, tortures them, and then administers major tranquilizers that paralyze large regions of the brain. Psychiatry as a whole has no legs to stand on. Depression is best treated with training and exercise.All types of psychosis show superior outcomes when drugs are not involved.Please don’t make me reappear from the abyss and once again wage war on this topic. I have better things to do, and so do you all.Psychiatry is make belive place for incompetent doctors to do a tactical retreat, wherein they can grow and foster their delusion of competency.Imagine a book(DSM-5) that has such absurd heterogeneity in how thediagnosis system works that it is literally retards throwing darts at the wall, then praying to some fanatical god they believe in, before conversing with a "Ouija board" and deciding what tranquilizer they give to their victims.
>>17010477chemical imbalance is just marketing campaign for ssri and snri
>>17010477Dogmatic materialism pushed by the scientism cult, the government and big phrama.
>>17011700>rationality itself is already contingent on not being in an environment that disrupts healthy developmentElaborate on this. What do you actually mean?
>>17010477Because if we admit that depression is caused by bad circumstances in one's actual life, we may then have to confront just why so many people are depressed, and just what that says about modern society.
>>17011645>laws dun do nuffin cuz pepo break dem an sheeit. See >>17011495
>>17010477Because people don't want to take responsibility for their lives and want to pay someone else to fix their chemical imbalance The ones getting paid will confirm they have a chemical imbalance
>>17011478i believe him>>17011489>the way you post when you know you lost
>>17010477It seemed reasonable at the time based on the research, which was and still is in relative infancy. Western doctors and scientists are aggressive materialists and they love the idea that everything is reduceable to chemical and electrical impulses.Pair this with pharmaceutical companies who start frothing at the mouth at the thought of treatable but not curable lifelong illnesses that are genetically inescapable and you have the recipe for what modern psychiatry became: illnesses that are either chemical imbalances or can be treated externally by application of the appropriate drugs.All this is of course the result of Western ignorance causing these misguided attempts to reinvent the wheel. Buddhists created a comprehensive model of the mind thousands of years ago that describes and explains literally every mental event in excruciating detail while providing an actionable framework to diagnose and treat any mental illness.I say this as a Western white man who started experiencing deep suicidal depression around the onset of puberty which became a constant companion for the next 20 years of my life. I saw countless doctors and psychiatrists, went though every variety of therapy and literal dozens of different drugs, and it wasn't until I discovered Buddhism and learned to meditate that I quote literally cured myself.One of my greatest regrets in life is that I did read a book on Buddhism in college, didn't really understand it, and didn't return to it until my late thirties. I could have saved myself so so much wasted time and suffering if I'd just investigated a little further back then.
if you traumatize a person, especially a kid, their brain starts regulating chemicals differently. if you don't want to be drugging people up or tossing them in jail, stop traumatizing them.
>>17012047that's really insightful and helpful advice thanks anon
>>17010802>Sit rotting alone in room all day playing bing bing wahoo and reading incel rant and masturbating your life essence away >OHHHHH NO HOW COULD THIS HAVE HAPPENED?? MUH CHEMICAL IMBALANCE!!! SAVE ME DOCTOR> *that'll be $300 + tip*
>>17010477Psychedelics
>>17010477Behaviorism, Determinism, and Reductionism. It's the retard trinity all rolled into one.
>>17010824>NPCs. It's funny how the people calling others npcs are always the biggest tools and idiots
>>17012189>Doctor, my leg is in excruciating pain. Do you have any medicine that might make me feel better?>Ummm no, akshually your pain isn’t real and all of your problems are caused by being a porn-addicted incel.>that’ll be $300 + tip, please!
>>17011806>Psychiatry is a cultI don't know about psychiatry, but psychotherapy certainly seems like a cult to me.People go to a therapist for months or years paying lots of money, saying that its "hard but healing", that they are "more in touch with their emotions", "in harmony with themselves" or to "know where their problems come from".Many people recommend therapy saying it improved their life while still having the same problems and repeating the same mistakes.No falsifiable claims, often contradicting each other, feeding on weakness and emotions. I've been to three different therapists and heard three different sets of bullshit. It's entirely possible I didn't have the "right attitude" or "wasn't ready", but I can't shake the feeling that the results would be the same or better with a priest, fortune teller or touching some fucking grass.
>>17013384More like>Doctor, halp! My leg! It hurts>>Your leg shows evidence of self inflicted wounds with a razor blade. Have you been cutting yourself?>How is this relevant? No, I don't (editors note patient lied)>>Well, if they were self inflicted, if you cease the cutting you should make a full recovery in three —>—REEEE can't you give me some medication doc, please, it really fucking hurts!>>*Sigh* here's your prescription for some pain killers. Come back in three months. Oh, and please stop cutting yourself >Thank so much, doc. I hope this helps. >>That'll be $300 please. [[[Three months later]]]>Doctor this medication sucks! I need something better >>...
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>>17010477it takes like 20-30 years generally for research to trickle into medical mainstream. we've only been able to really piece out the brain mechanistically since the late 80s/early 90s. plus, the idea that we know nothing about the brain is extremely pervasive, culturally
>>17013894I've heard a world rewnowed brain surgeon that's in top top not only by volume of interventions but success rate say that we know 50% about the brain but 20-30% of that is just wrong.
>>17011439Maybe because men doing things is fine but women doing it hysteria
>>17015085what is this, the 1890s?
>>17015087Even worse, 2026, where we do the same as 1890 but with a veil of science to cover up for it
>>17015087Back then we knew how to cure it.
Most mental health conditions are man made and most mental health professionals are rule followers who have never been through much in their life and done quite well in the education system. How can someone who has never been depressed tell a depressed person what depression is and how to deal with it? IT's the most misunderstood science in the world and psychologists are actually stealing a living half the time. Yeah, they can read, study and get a general idea but you kinda need to have gone through some shit to know what they fuck is going on in a crazy persons head.
>>17015461https://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20090816_biochemical_manipulation.htm
>>17015465>https://www.corbettreport.com/articles/20090816_biochemical_manipulation.htmThanks
>>17015477One thing that article fails to mention is the role of tylenol, or acetominophen. Search "tylenol sexual dimorphic nucleus", "tylenol empathy", and "tylenol glutathione". It's quite obvious why they bombard infants with a chemical that reduces the size of the sexual dimorphic nucleus by 50% and causes brain damage after the inflammation induced by vaccines.
>>17015483Another thing is how advanced this is and how long it has been going on. Some of this stuff doesn't affect everyone in the same way but it effects enough people in a population to be a serious problem. We are seeing some of the effects, and it is multiple attack vectors, social media and mental conditioning and economics that is taking a bit of a blade to white countries at the moment. Only a handful of countries are reversing the population decline and yeah, it's brutal. But we are fighting back.
>>17010477To be fair, at the same time that they decry it's caused by chemical imbalance, they assume you can think yourself into mental illness :)
>>17015508Lol yeah, and you know what they use to determine when that is caused? When you actually follow the logic of their position and point out the contradictions of it. You're not mentally ill until you think critically and realize they're full of shit.
>>17015483it's interesting how indignant people got at the suggestion that tylenol could be bad for babies
>>17015553I wish it was interesting. Most of what I encounter day to day is totally retarded "we do the current thing" stuff and always has been, so it's become par for the course. They have some herd animal compulsion, can't handle anything being wrong because if one thing is wrong then the whole thing unravels and everything might be wrong. I don't differentiate between religious people and atheistic normies for this reason, most of them are all the same. They have the same core.
>>17015553fun fact. if tylenol were bad for the baby, and that's a big fucking if, there are things far worse for the baby. for example, if you control for all variables possible, you find that growing up poor, uneducated, with multiple siblings had far worse outcomes on children whose pregnant mothers smoked, drank alcohol, and took other drugs. now obviously tylenol has much weaker impacts on you than does alcohol which is known to cause fetal alcohol syndrome. in other words, everything you baby-fever alt-right conservative dipshits advocate (fuck education, have multiple children, etc.) leads to worse outcomes than taking fucking tylenol when pregnant lol. if you were cable of introspecting, that is, if you had a higher baseline intelligence, you'd realize that people get annoyed at persistent and consistent retardation. >hmm, i wonder why people get upset when i say you should inject gold into your veins. what are they hiding i wonder... maybe, just maybe, you're an idiot.
>>17015586>there are things far worse for the baby. fIrrelevant. Toxicity is cumulative and often synergistic. Most people can't comprehend the nonlinear dose response curve.>alt-right conservative dipshits Okay, never mind. You're not worth talking to.
>>17015586>okay even IF [thing] is bad, [other thing] is worse!brainlet argument, but thanks for demonstrating the bizarre indignation live
>>17015586https://neurosciencenews.com/pregnancy-acetaminophen-masculinity-6958/
>>17015589ai slop.>>17015591not the full argument. try again. more like>IF [thing you say to avoid] is bad, [other thing you advocate] is worse! obviously implying your attentions are better served introspecting to a bigger issue. perhaps an analogy will help.>sir, i have gas and feel like farting>uhm. i literally do not give a fuck about that--you have a bullet in your leg and i need to take it out or you will literally DIE>but doctor, please, i need to fart the doctor is correct to call you a retard.
>>17015595>ai slop.Bot.
>>17015595Turns out this applies to everything.
>>17015593>https://neurosciencenews.com/pregnancy-acetaminophen-masculinity-6958/>Because the trials are restricted to mice, the results cannot be transferred directly to humans.>But even if paracetamol is harmful, that does not mean it should never be taken, even when pregnant.>If you are ill, you should naturally take the medicine you need. After all, having a sick mother is more harmful for the foetus,” says David Møbjerg Kristensen.>He emphasizes that pregnant women should continue to follow the guidelines given by their country’s health authorities and recommends people to contact their GP if in doubt about the use of paracetamol.would you look at that - the doctor in the article you cited says pregnant women should take tylenol when needed as recommended by the guidelines of their country's health authority (which all western ones advocate). you should read your own sources more closely lol
>>17015601That's just liability language. They state clearly that it wouldn't be ethical to repeat the study with humans. Learn to read between the lines instead of being a pathetic lego brained fag.
>>17015595and in this very sensible and coherent analogy, acetaminophen is having gas and growing up with multiple siblings is a bullet in your leg that will kill you?
>>17015602>read between the linesoh, silly me. when they say it's safe for pregnant women to take tylenol, and that they should take tylenol, you mean to tell me they're actually saying pregnant women should not take tylenol because it's unsafe? for, *checks notes* liability reasons? in other words... it's illegal and unsafe to urge them to avoid taking safe tylenol? what an odd, tangled web of pseudo-logic you got going on there.no need to "read between the lines" when i can instead read the lines directly stated. you're the kind of retard who will find himself slurping on ivermectin because he "read between the lines" instead of reading the lines directly lol
>>17015609>they say it's safe for pregnant women to take tylenolit doesn't say that though
>>17015609>you mean to tell me they're actually saying pregnant women should not take tylenol because it's unsafe?That's correct. Tylenol is a worthless poison. I have no doubt the author of that study would never in a million years use tylenol. What part of not ethical to repeat in humans do you not understand? I suppose you could use aborted fetuses, which is legal, albeit not ethical.
>Women with debilitating pain and 103 fevers should not take Tylenol because, think of the child!>What do you mean the fetus will die if the mother doesn't take Tylenol? It will literally be born as as an effeminate tranny!I guess it's true. These people really don't care about fetuses. They hate women and want them to suffer. Sadge.
>>17015610it does. >He emphasizes that pregnant women should continue to follow the guidelines given by their country’s health authorities and recommends people to contact their GP if in doubt about the use of paracetamol.>doubt the use of paracetamoltake this health authority for examplehttps://www.acog.org/clinical/clinical-guidance/practice-advisory/articles/2025/09/acetaminophen-use-in-pregnancy-and-neurodevelopmental-outcomes>ACOG reaffirms that acetaminophen remains the analgesic and antipyretic of choice during pregnancy.
>>17015614As if fever has no cause, and no way other than tylenol to deal with it. Fucking pathetic animal. I'm out.
>>17015616none of those things say it's safe>>17015614should a pregnant woman with a slight headache take tylenol?
>>17015616People like this having their genetic line cauterized is a net positive. Good riddance.
>>17015617NSAIDs are even better at reducing fever and are NOT recommended by doctors for pregnant women, because unlike tylenol, they are actually extremely dangerous to the fetus.
>>17015620>because unlike tylenolWrong. As demonstrated repeatedly, you mind current thing follower.
>>17015618>should a pregnant woman with a slight headache take tylenol?this is not recommended by health professionals. what exactly is it do you think i'm arguing here? you seem to be hallucinating arguments.
>>17015621i thought you said you're "out". you couldn't even last 2 minutes away lol. medical professionals disagree with you. i'll listen to the experts here, and continue telling the premedical students i educate how tylenol is safe for pregnant mothers to take. btw of the two of us, i'm the one with actual influence. you can screech all you want on the 4chanz, but know that it's ineffective.
>>17015623By the time I'm done the ground beneath your feet will crumble away. There is no place for you in the world to come. You need to be gone and I'm going to make sure it happens.
>>17015621Wait, are you trying to say NSAIDs are safe for pregnant women to take? What alternative are you advocating for here over Tylenol as a fever reducer?
>>17015625Try vitamin A dumbass. If you have a fever through the roof your body is fucked and it's not due to a medication deficiency.
>>17015624oh heavens, dearest me! think of it this way. i'm educating the future doctors of tomorrow. if you really wanted to effect a change, you'd convince me to teach them what you think i should teach them. do you genuinely think that's the best way forward? of course not. you're not seeking to effect change. you're seeking to emotionally vent. now, ask yourself. why is your ego so bruised here? anyhow we're getting off topic, and i'll accept your rude, ungraceful concession. =]
>>17015628>i'm educating the future doctors of tomorrow.They won't be doctors, and your system doesn't have a tomorrow.
>>17015626Doctors do not recommend the use of vitamin A supplements during pregnancy. They are also not recommended as fever reducers. In fact they can exacerbate your symptoms. Where the fuck did you get this braindead idea that vitamin A is a fever reducer? Your advice would actually kill fetuses (while harming pregnant mothers). What the fuck is wrong with you?
>>17015630https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3952623/You're a retard that doesn't understand nonlinear dose response. That's been established.
I think some people just cannot accept that some people are born with very sad brains. ;(
>>17015622Should a pregnant woman with a severe headache take tylenol?
>>17015632I'm going to be honest with you. This is so irrelevant I don't even know how to respond to you. Pregnant women get fevers. If they do not reduce the fever, both the mother and the fetus are in danger. Your source has nothing to do with this scenario.
>>17015637>Pregnant women get fevers.Why? Oh let me guess, "I'unno". Maybe it was the flu shot they gave her. Ob/Gyns are worthless parasites.
I now remembered why I stopped reading /sci/. Get a grip anons.
>>17015636you're not going to like this answer, but as with many medical situations it depends on the origin of the headache. under typical situations, absolutely yes tylenol is fine to take. that is to say, if you can't get rid of your headache through rest, hydration or eating, then tylenol is the first line of medical defense. in rarer situations, neither nutrition nor tylenol will work and in this situation going to your doctor is the correct answer. instead of trying to entrap people in to "gotcha" universal scenarios, you should accept you're wrong here and that tylenol is absolutely recommended by health professionals for pregnant women to take. protip: if you stopped hating women, you'd stop being an incel.
>I think some people just cannot accept that some people are born with very sad brains. /thread
>>17015638>Why?Maybe they caught a fucking virus, you dumb fuck. Fevers are your body's defense mechanism against viruses -- by raising your body temperature, the virus is intended to be killed. And no amount of optimal nutrition will protect you against a fucking virus. If anything, the flu shot is recommended for them to take. As in, actively supported and suggested because the alternative (if they catch the fucking flu), everything becomes 10x worse for both the mother and the fetus.
>>17015640It's not a gotcha question, I'm trying to figure out your position here. I agree with you that in a situation where the mother's life is in danger, like a high fever, taking Tylenol is a better gamble than a fever. I would disagree that the current recommendation is that pregnant women should just take it, seehttps://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/is-acetaminophen-safe-during-pregnancy-202110292627>Acetaminophen use during pregnancy should be limited to situations where it is really needed.>Always clear acetaminophen use with your doctor, particularly if you are going to be using the medicine for a long period of time. They might agree that taking it is the best option — or suggest an alternative.>If you do need to take acetaminophen during pregnancy, take it for the shortest amount of time possible and at the lowest effective dose to reduce fetal exposure.of course like so many other things in modern science, people drag in their own red team blue team bullshit like you're doing with your incel projection. Trump made the announcement and Trump bad so announcement bad.
>>17015653Inceldom isn't a red vs blue issue even though it seems disproportionately in the red tier. You have to admit that a majority of this position is advocated by red incels. Btw that source isn't as condemning toward Tylenol as you claim it is, nor as what others itt are saying.
>>17015658I agree the position of>pregnant women should never take tylenolis disproportionately advocated by red incels, and that it's because of tribalism. It's retarded and illogical. Obviously a pregnant woman with a 106 degree fever should take tylenol. It's a reactionary position against the similarly illogical and retarded position>tylenol is fine for pregnant women shut the fuck upand its slightly less retarded cousin>who cares it's a tiny risk shut the fuck upwhich stem from the general "don't tell women what to do" principle which is fundamental to their ideology. Politics getting in the way of scientific thinking, like religious right wingers being irrationally opposed to evolution.The sensible reaction is to accept that tylenol might be significantly worse for fetuses than we used to think and adjust behaviors accordingly. Maybe a pregnant woman with a severe stress headache shouldn't take tylenol.
>>17015644>If anything, the flu shot is recommended for them to take.You stupidfuck.
>>17015810https://www.acog.org/womens-health/infographics/pregnant-top-3-reasons-why-you-need-the-flu-vaccinehttps://www.cdc.gov/flu/vaccine-safety/vaccine-pregnant.htmlhttps://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC6605784/
>>17015842Vaccines are poison. Always have been.
>>17015846If they're poison why did everyone willingly volunteer to get the polio vaccine? You're fucking lucky your great grandparents all volunteered for it so you never had to see the horrors. Do you even know what polio is, how many suffered from it, and what treatments were?
>>17015859>If they're poison why did everyone willingly volunteer to get the polio vaccine?Because they didn't know it was poison and that polio was a scam. What a dumb question.
>>17015860>polio was a scam?
>>17015871Organochloride pesticides and mercury exposure, diethystilbestrol, and several others. Sugar in summer months was found to correlate with polio. Paralytic polio and the iron lung were confined to a few major facilities and nowhere near as common as portrayed. Todya they probably just renamed parts of it to tranverse myelitis, amyotrophic lateral sclerosis, subacute sclerosing panencephalitis, etc. Either way it was bullshit and today the leading cause of polio is the oral polio vaccine.
