Any arguments against solar energy?
There is none. Humans are too scatterbrained and discordant. We'll fuck around instead of being rational with the Earth.
>>17013548>xitter
>>17013549Such as this retard.>>17013550It's a perfect example of scatterbrain and discord.
>>17013548It only works in certain places and even in those places it needs an additional power source to support it when it is cloudy. It would be 10,000x times less polluting to build one nuclear plant than to construct an equivalent capacity of solar panels, once you factor in, mining, transportation, and manufacturing costs. I wouldn't mind having some for my roof, I guess, if they were cheaper.
>>17013548Oh I work on solar energy! While yes there is literally no argument against humanity using it there are some hurdles we need to overcome to globalise its uses, like energy transfer and storage but that's if we want to be solar punk. for people who live in places rich in solar energy their only issues are stupid stuff like electric companies charging them extra for their nightly electricity usage for no valid reason,getting the license for using said panels ,and extra installation costs posed by the government.
>>17013548>"free" electricityKek
>>17013548Nuclear is superior.
>>17013548Baseline power needs to adjust appropriately and they need to price appropriately as the demand fluctuate and power needs fluctuate
>>17013548I have it on my roof, installed it myself, cost 15k, more than halfed my bills (warm water too)
>>17013548You could slip and fall on a solar panel and die. Too risky for my tastes.
>>17013548Liberals like it, and that makes me angry.
>>17013548There's seasonal variation in the amount of solar power generated, so either you need to massively overbuild solar and overproduce electricity or need HUGE amounts of energy storage. Lithium ion batteries aren't a good way to store fractions of a countries energy use for several months as long as several months. These are solvable problems though
>>17013548>3 hours of free electricity>lets destroy your entire ecosystem so you save <$5
>>17013548I like volcanoes and powerplants are shaped like volcanoes and solar fields are shaped like an ocean of lies.
>>17013548So the thing is the rest of the world doesn't get nearly as much sunlight as Australia, their climate is equivalent to Arizona, but on an entire continent scale. That means that the majority of land in Australia can't be used for farming or even human habitation to begin with, so solar panels are ideal here. Its not going to work like that for places that aren't a sun-scorched hellhole, but that doesn't mean we should discourage solar, they can still sell electricity to the rest of us, in fact we should help desert countries develop it that way we can secure its use. Saudi Arabia, Algeria, Syria, Egypt and the Gobi Desert in China can all support solar like this
Also see from this map, the UK gets only 1/2 of the sunlight of some places in the US800 vs 1600 KWh / m
Look how much better suited to solar the middle east is, like holy shit they get 3x the sunlight of England, in wide stretches that are hundreds of kilometers long
>>17013548Winter. Visible from space, enemy can see and tax them.Back in the past there was also night (but chicoms solved it) and cost (also chicoms solved it)
>>17013548>twitter.jpgkys
>>17013548Not dispatchable.
>>17013589>less pollutingWe don't care about pollution anymore gramps.It's carbon emissionsAnd I dispute your claim. Not all solar panels are cadmium telluride
>>17013753The enemy is at the other side of the Pacific behind the First Island Chain.We can talk again if Taiwan falls.
>>17013548they damage the profits of giant corporations and countries that solely rely on the export of fossil fuels.
>>17013548>>17013549Humans are forest/glade/beach animals. Electricity is man made and anti nature and brings us misery. We should go back into the forest. (Send from my phone)
>nuclear is icky so let's wallpaper the Himalayas with blue glass instead, gotta protect the environment!>oops it hailed now everyone has to sit in the dark for a weekIf you want a solar panel on your roof to reduce your power bill a little then fine but trying to power a civilization with it is retarded, at least until we can build it all in space.
>>17013548go bait /g/ and you will get lots of made up and manipulative """arguments""" against solar panels. for whatever reason, NPCs in the "technology" board hate solar energy...the only useful argument I've found against them is that they are not useful or profitable everywhere. the closest to the poles, the less useful during winter.>>17013753>Back in the past there was also nightwdym?>>17013881>>nuclear is icky so let's wallpaper the Himalayas with blue glass instead, gotta protect the environment!so you are complaining about other people considering nuclear icky... while you consider solar panels icky for retarded reasons.if anything, solar panels not only help the environment by saving it from contamination, but also by maintaining humidity in places like those hills>>oops it hailed now everyone has to sit in the dark for a weeka well build grid should not have that happen.also, if there is anything GREAT about solar panels, is the their descentralized nature.but I guess you enjoy being a paypig for and depending on corporations lmao
>>17013548>doesn't work at night>storage is problematic as batteries still aren't efficient enough and lithium mining does plenty of environmental damageNuclear is superior. Just gotta kill all the limp wristed lefties so we can start building plants again.
>>17013899>while you consider solar panels icky for retarded reasons.I consider destroying millions of acres of wilderness in a quasi-religious attempt to appease the angry sun gods when there are far superior alternatives out there "icky", yes.
>>17013907>destroyingthe land doesn't need to be destroyed (or touched) to install solar panels, retard.in a related topic, have you ever heard of agrivoltaics?I'm convinced that, depending on environmental conditions and method of installation, solar panels can actually help nature develop even further.> a quasi-religious attempt to appease the angry sun godsyou are fucking stupid if you think this is about ideology. solar panels are FAR superior to nuclear energy in many senses.
>>17013548Arguments against solar energy for what? The only source of energy? The primary? The baseload? Use in niche applications? You have to be more specific if you want actual quality comments.
>>17013907Before we have modular fusion reactors, there is no way random people will be able to buy modular nuclear reactors. Solar panels offer the greatest degree of green electricity decentralization, which is great for national security among other things.
>>17013589>>17013769REAL climate warriors know the new issue is methane emission from livestock. Electricity and carbon are old news.We need to kill all the cows and make everyone vegan using bioweapons.
>>17013607>there is literally no argument against humanity using it
about to become obsolete now that aalto atomics completed their 10mw portable nuclear power plant housed in some shipping container
Generating too much energy can be an issue as well, and with solars you have a limited control over it, depending on the area.
>>17013548anti semitism. nuff said.>>17014167just disconnect some panels you dumb migger
>>17013548>Any arguments against solar energy?Not in Australia where it's sunny and there are vast patches of undevelopable land.In north America and Europe? Nuclear is far superior.
>>17013548It's gay
>>17014377your fathers are gay
>>17014013Been hearing about that and seaweed being the solution for decades. Never seems to get resolved.
>>17013548>Any arguments against solar energy?I guess there's one main one, but it's more like a "consideration" and not necessarily an "argument against" Solar.Solar Energy kind of has an agrarian economy attached to it? In that you make the solar panels, you place them out in a field, but then of course it's susceptible to seasonal conditions and all the best spots to harvest solar energy are in naked-ass fields where there's nothing blocking the sun - which can be, but not always, arable land. There's an integrated system called Agrivoltaics that can circumvent some of these issues, but then it also brings us to the other issue where, like crops, solar energy is typically produced where people aren't. Solar energy typically has to be stored and then shipped to where the people are in very expensive, complicated, batteries whereas most other sources of energy either are their own container (coal, charcoal, gasoline, uranium, etc) or they at least are where the people are (people often live near hydroeletric dams). However, solar is still an "electronic doodad" and not a literal vegetable, there's a lot more room for immediate innovation to occur as people fuck around with them and actually use them: we've seen solar panels get progressively more efficient, less expensive, smaller, more Chinese, etc.. So it's entirely possible that 15, 20, years from now solar could be more of an obligate urban device installed on parking lots or apartment complexes.
>>17013548None. Why do you ask?
>>17013548Its cloudy where I am
>>17013549>being rational with the Earth.The root issue is unity, which doesnt come free.There are some people who gain benefit from causing problems; it can be called 'moral hazards' wherein circumstances can benefit them that hurt overall goals. They dont care about overall goals.I say some people not everyone, studies have shown majority of problems are caused by minority of people.When you ask "why do humans...", its because they dont care. They are individuals & they hate other individuals. What you see as problems they see as solutions. They only complain when what they do to others is done to them, which makes sense to them
>>17013899not him but address the point of pros and cons of each tech. solar has good things but the environmental and beauty impact of it is huge, you need to dedicate huge areas for power generation comparable to one nuclear power plant. nuclear has its own issues but it is infinitely more efficient, it's worth something
Dumb tweet, the cost of electricity even with the 3 free hours is higher than in the US, and it had higher carbon emissions than the US grid.
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>>17014801>beauty impact of it is hugewho cares?>the environmental>you need to dedicate huge areas for power generation200W/m2 is a lot of energy.just don't install them in areas dedicated to agriculture, or if you do, only allow a small portion of the land, and have the panels be installed sparsely.afaik some of this is already a requirement in many countries.there is TONS of land that is almost completely useless to agriculture or even construction. you could install panels in hilly land or whatever. and the day more efficient solar panels or some other tech become more spread, they'll need a lot less area. plus, if batteries become the norm, actually damaging shit like dams might disappear in the long term, I guess.
>>17014822that's electricity as a service from companiesthe beauty of solar energy is that you can easily and cheaply produce your own
>>17014866Why aren't people starting their own solar-powered energy companies then?
>>17014867nta. I'm not an expert on this topic, but who says people aren't?there are many factors not to, though.1: you still need a lot of money.2: you need batteries or some other form of energy storage if you want a 24/7 supply. all that shit is expensive. having base load from your local utility is easier.3. you need to sell a shitload of energy to make any decent profits.4. ever heard of regulations? you need permits, specialized technicians, etc. it's not that easy.but, who do you think owns big solar generators? it's mostly big investment funds...
>no spinning turbines0/10
>>17014867they domunicipalities and energy-sharing community initiatives exist
>>17014867It's basically the only form of electricity generation that people actually do start their own production operations on independently. No one has a "coal power plant" but millions of people independently decide to install solar panels. On utility scale solar also has a remarkable amount of small and mid sized companies investing and building them up from small scale warehouse roof jobs to mid sized plants in empty lots up to bigger projects covering fields. People are putting their money where their mouth is with solar, not so much with anything else.
>>17014013>methane emission from livestockmethane emissions from natural gas wells is orders of magnitude worse.also just put flaring devices near the cows butt.
>>17013548The argument against solar is that it produces power when it's not needed during the midle of the day, and doesn't produce power when it's needed for the evening electricity surge when people arrive home from work and turn on their AC and appliances, hence why they have to give it away during the day, and charge more in the evening. It needs to be paired with energy storage, then it works.>>17013744The solar excess in Australia is caused by rooftop solar panels in major coastal cities that are in all in green areas of the OP map.
>>17015037Can someone explain why pumping water uphill is better than a battery for storing electricity? Is it just because batteries are very expensive at this scale of capacity?
>>17015069>Is it just because batteries are very expensive at this scale of capacity?The opposite, really. Batteries are much cheaper per kwh stored. Pumped storage is lower maintenance long term and provides better grid inertia.
>>17013548>only three
>>17013769Not even not all. Most are literally just silicon. The pollution meme is literally just manufactured retardation.
>>17015069best is a mix of battery and physical storage.
>>17013548Reverse Casimir Effect Levitational TurbinesOverUnity Instant Charge Battery Packs Various and a Grid Transformer Array Edition
>>17015069Because closed loop dams last hundreds of years and can be scaled to any size, whilst batteries do well to last a decade and are tiny in comparison, although their installation is more versatile: you can't put a dam in your garage or basement.
>>17013831>he doesn't like thunderstormsthunder is the sound of God bowling
Solar economics work now. Solar is in a steep s-curve. Battery storage is in an even steeper s-curve. No amount of anti-solar shilling on the autistic reindeer herding forum is going to change whats coming.
