>>17019716
Shouldn't the fact that all those postdocs willingly come here clue you in on the list of reasons nobody imports ours?
It seems you are forgetting a few key confounding variables here.

>>17019718
you are focusing on the wrong thing, anon. No matter the reason for the lack of exports, if the system is unsustainable with 0 exports without relying on imports, what contingency is there when imports dry up? Because they very well might.

>>17019721
What I'm telling you is we don't have a shortage of scientists here. Human capital is not trade resource like you're insinuating.

>>17019724
It is not exactly a trade resource but it would be very naive to think it doesn't follow similar principles. Places like MIT, Stanford, Harvard aren't charities. The professors there pick the people they deem suitable and the overwhelming majority of those, from what I have seen with my own eyes, is not domestic. Does this not give you pause in an era of rising anti-americanism? Do you think the amount of suitable domestic candidates will just manifest out of thin air? Because if they existed, they would already be taken.

>>17019735
Not really. They're not interested in Truth or someone who can resolve the complexity

>>17019735
The primary reason American scientists don't follow the post-doc academia route is because they'd rather take their skillset into industry where their talents are more likely to manifest into tangible output.
Those universities may not be a charity but the student academic programs may as well be.
As you said, the universities pick who they deem suitable and they'd much rather have the entire world to pick from than just the home grown.

Not to mention we have more highly-rated universities here than in Europe by sheer quantity. We have more spaces to fill.

>>17019738
private enterprise is irrelevant to the future of US academia, anon.
>they'd much rather have the entire world to pick from
that's a luxury they have grown used to, one that is not guaranteed. The entire point made in the OP is that this is not guaranteed to last
>we have more highly-rated universities here than in Europe
you fundamentally don't understand European academia if you think that. It also still begs the question whether US academia could survive the way it is without foreigners.

>>17019738
>>17019747
Anybody who's studied science to the level of a doctorate can plainly see the era of scientific "progress" was over by the early 70s. For this reason most domestic doctoral students greedmaxx and go into finance if they're elite.

If they're not elite their only option is McDonalds because there basically isnt domestic demand for state school doctorates. Most international students end up back at their original countries working middle manager type roles, or if they stay in America they dont do anything important.

>>17019747
>It also still begs the question whether US academia could survive the way it is without foreigners
Do you mean academia or colleges? Academia in America as a whole can absolutely survive without foreigners, and would probably see a noticeable improvement in quality. American colleges on the other hand cant survive financially without foreign students. The overproduction of academics is what's dragging everything down in the first place.

>>17019747
>begs the question
What begs the question? You should have at least a 5th grade fluency in english before sharing your opinion on american schools.

>>17019809
hilariously ironic.

>>17019813
Yeah, I’m sure you’re rofl

>>17019716
Brownskin seething over being an NPC in the universe's story about us.

>>17019834
eslkun, why would you insult someone's fluency in a language you're barely proficient in? rhetorical question, don't answer pls

>>17019838
Try harder

>>17019843
you're right, i should have addressed more of your post. as an esl foreigner, you don't know how american schools operate.

>>17019809
His sentence is correct, ESL kun

>>17019846
>>17019847
Lol retards. More, please

>>17019813
>>17019847
I'm pretty sure he's being a pedant about the fact that OP used the phrase "begs the question" when he meant some variation of "raises the question."
Begging the question is a form of circular reasoning fallacy where one's conclusion is assumed in the premises used to support said conclusion. But in common parlance nobody uses the term this way.

>>17019887
when an anon is incapable of understanding the difference between common parlance and excessive formalities, that's the smoking gun signal of an esl speaker. i believe you're samefagging and may be both esl and autistic.

>>17019891
>i believe you're samefagging and may be both esl and autistic
You're incorrect except maybe the autism.

>>17019716
The US imports post docs from across the third world to exploit them for cheap labor. Not too many postdocs that ive met from first world countries

>>17019891
>>17019887
>common parlance
Nope, it's idiot parlance. Feel free to make whatever excuse you want for how dumb you sound; you're still disqualified from any conversation about american schools.

>>17019809
It (as in your fucktard drivel that deliberately misses points a grade schooler would have picked up, just like your derailment attempts have in my absence)
begs the question (passes over the central point of the thread)
whether US academia could survive the way it is without foreigners.
The last time I talked to a pseud as embarrassing as you they at least were affiliated with SLAC. I doubt you are half as accomplished.

>>17020018
You can shove your policy bugaboo up your ass; my only interest here is shitting on hypocritical illiterates and watching you squirm all around in it making up excuse after excuse for why you don’t really sound like hypocritical illiterates. Dance some more.

>>17019993
i'll let you in on a secret. i'm an associate professor in the american academy. it's quite possible i'm at most one of three individuals on this board uniquely qualified to speak of the academy from the inside. you're the dimwit who's disqualified from commentary lol

>>17019716
yep. america has fallen. were an irrelevant shithole now. youll quit making threads about us now right?

>>17020031
You are an embarrassment who didn't even check MW before talking out of his third rate university "graduate" ass. Of course I at least can offer you the charity of engaging with your limp troll.

>>17020032
Fucking lol

>>17020035
Keep dancing. I’m just the music

>>17020037
you're repeating lines by now, it makes your attempt at looking like you don't take the conversation seriously kinda half assed. Now shoo, leave some room for people what actually matter.

>>17020033
>Cater to our collective narcissism or else we will have to tell you how much we don't care
I mean that strat served you well during the world cup but I don't think the question asked by OP is in any way on par with all the bizarre China glazing threads. It describes a very solvable problem, yet somehow causes a lot of thin skinned replies.

>>17020043
Which?

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>>17019716
yes, they're doing horribly.

>>17019716
>what would they do if the well dried up?
Invade...*looks up list of Arid and semi-Arid states*
Eritrea?

>>17019754
>if they stay in America they dont do anything important
They get "flattened" and based on their origins stereotyped to various degrees pigeonholed into positions they are way too overqualified or basically pushed to dead-end jobs.
When a skilled worker is "flattened", any special skills, experiance and credentials basicaly gets reduced to nothing. Which means that companies can underpay them despite their proven credentials they'll only see the reduced version of their academic and work background. Also stereotyping and stigmas can basically lead to further job mismatch into positions where they can't leverage their specific skillsets or are way over qualified.

>>17019721
you haven't asked yourself why everyone wants to be here if it's supposedly so bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-KoXt9pZLGM
i love my country :)

>>17020069
>>17020175
The folks ITT with strong opinions are also aggressively proud of sounding like uneducated idiots while claiming they can foresee the future of education lol. No reason to take any of them seriously

>>17020100
Lol brownoid cope.

>>17019716
>Has the same population as Europe
Excluding Russia and Turkey, Europe has about double the population of the US.

>produces so few viable scientists they constantly have to import postdocs
The US graduates about 60K STEM PhDs a year, about half of what the European countries above produce (which track with us having about half the population)

Per NSF, domestic students are about 60-70% of awarded research PhDs. The rate in European countries varies, but the average is about the same; UK is about 50-60%, France about 55-65%, Germany 70-80%, etc.

OP is talking out of his ass.

>>17020702
>actual numbers rather than sophistry and name calling
The only good post ITT thus far.

>>17020873
No, the premise of TT is historical clairvoyance; historical data adds nothing to that.