he's right in a few important ways but also wrong in at least one way that's just as importantalso, it's not a new cope, it's exactly the same old>b-b-but my indomitable human spiritcope
>>17022400Mathematics is about understanding more about the world through logically sound reasoning, not for you to masturbate in circle about "the beauty of the human connections it creates" or some horseshit.I should be glad enough that AI is one more tool to do that, but I'm even more glad that it'll make these faggots obsolete.
>muh "soul"2022 wants it cope back
>>17022439>Mathematics is about understanding more about the world through logically sound reasoning,According to some 4chan retard?
I would feel more sad if pure mathematics wasn't something only achievable by nepobabies and/or independent wealthy people.
>>17022461pure math started by throwing naked chickens at institutionalists and masturbating in public you cretan
>>17022400Don't worry, AI will eventually do all the intellectual and artistic work and humans will only do back breaking labor and onlyfans, like god intended. No one will be special anymore in any way, we'll all revert to our natural goyim state
>>17022467Ok and today? Do you think anyone can do pure maths without having family in the field already?
>>17022459It takes no insight at all to say "look at all the beautiful people gathered around doing X!", for any field X of human endeavor. It's what people who have nothing concrete to contribute do to feel part of the group, they do meta-commentary. And for the same reason, that meta-commentary can't be part of the essence of the field it purports to describe.
>>17022461Yes
>>17022469I dont think you know what "Pure Mathematics" even is...
>>17022400this the kind of niga who jerks off to pollack paintings even tho they're objective dogshit
>>17022473Ah, yes...the "closed fist of selfishness" will surely (((liberate))) the proletariat.
>>17022478Nah i hate democracy and people, fuck people , fuck mass fuck populism fuck then
>>17022481>i hate democracyFascist.>and peopleSemite.>>17022478>(((liberate)))Bingo.
>>17022474Guess I studied topology, differential geometry, and abstract algebra (among others) for nothing thenIdk what's controversial. Postdocs in non-applied maths (hence pure maths) are harder to find than basically any other phd except maybe string theory type stuff. Even fkn astrophysics is easier to stay in.
>>17022483Again nah i'm a humanist, an aristocrat, only Achilles, Plato or Newton matter, nigger cattle democracies dont have any value
>>17022484Oh, youre talking about accreditation from discredited institutions! Um, yeah, I guess...but youre not going there to "do Maths", youre going there to learn how to be an elitist to be worshipped by peons.
>>17022486>i'm a humanist
>>17022487Maths wasn't a passion for me so yeah I wouldn't have done it on my own. I need money to live like a weirdo Which is why I changed field lol but applied maths is cool af so it's fine
>>17022471NTA but it also takes no insight at all to contribute equally-meta commentary such as "understanding more about the world through logically sound reasoning."
>>17022491Yeah, especially these days Pure Maths is for Schizo Savants and people who have a calling for it because it will likely not have an immediate Application hence "work for no payoff".As someone that focused heavily on Pure I always knew it is a field to be couple with something else, like Physics.
>>17022484and you didn't understand why alex pissed off to the pyreneescurious
>>17022493Yeah that was my goal to couple it with physics during masters but my country (Scandi) is retarded with prerequisites so I wasn't able to because "well you haven't got a bachelor in physics" despite the fact I obviously knew all the maths necessary for it>>17022494I'm from close to the pyreneans, I'd never fuck off there.
>>17022492Yes anon, the metacommentary that says "the field X is not about the metacommentary around it" is the same as the metacommentary that says "the field X is all about the metacommentary". Gripping meta-meta-commentary, you will do well in the humanities department.
Today I will remind them.
> I am not interested in the truth of the resultsThat's a ridiculous thing to say by a supposed math lover. AI math will separate those who truly love math (and are interested in the actual results) from those who just do it for societal clout (and are only interested in the human procedures of doing math).
>>17022575This.>Speedrunning solving seemingly impossible mathematical proofs is bad because a human didn't do itSame cope by artists. Modern day luddites who refuse to adapt because of some bullshit about integrity and the "indomitable human spirit".University dinosaurs afraid of losing their easy, cushy jobs high up in their ivory towers.
>>17022588>University dinosaurs afraid of losing their easy, cushy jobs high up in their ivory towers.This, all my heart is with the technocrat billionaire heroes , they’re going to save me, they promised me.
>>17022591Or, you know, I don't give a fuck who provides the great math results, as long as I live to see them. Ivory tower dinosaurs, tech billionaries or local AIs running in some hacker's basement server.. All are good by me.
>>17022400What a retard. Just do it as a hobby if you dont care about actually advancing it.
>>17022468*God
>>17022439why are these people acting like computational math never existed? mathematicians were using symbolic math tools like mathematica and no one cared >noooooo you have to sit down and do these complicated integrals by hand so I can see the beauty of your work
>>17022499No, anon: your metacommentary is no closer to "field X" than the other anon's, despite whatever personal sentiment you have for it.
>>17022400i have migger fatigue
>>17022614That's exactly the point of my metacommentary, and you're criticizing me for it, so you agree with both my premises and their conclusion.
>>17022611Folks are still pissed off at Cleo for just that; not the best example unless it was also intentionally the worst lol
>>17022442more like muh jobmaybe he needs to learn2mine
>>17022644this was asked 10 years ago, and you can look at the responses to see they're overwhelmingly positive https://academia.stackexchange.com/questions/71536/is-it-acceptable-to-use-mathematica-to-derive-results-in-your-research
>>17022643The four posts in question are >>17022400>I like Y about field X>>17022439>you masturbate in horseshit, I like Z about field X>>17022459>retard, source for Z?>>17022471>don’t need a source, I hate YWhich part of this redux do you disagree with?
>>17022655What does Cleo have to do with using Mathematica?
>>17022400the real mathematics were the conjectures we made along the way <3
>>17022400>"Mathematics were always about X"Talking about what mathematics fundamentally is.>>17022661>I like Y about field XTalking about an opinion.You're allowed to "masturbate in horseshit" with a copy of Aluffi open nearby, but that doesn't make mathematics about "masturbating in horseshit", and you could have done the same with a copy of Infinite Jest just as well. Is every human endeavor just different aspects of "masturbating in horseshit" then?
>>17022575>>17022588Funny thing is that those neo-luddites had no problem with automatizing math before. Scripts, libraries, lean formalization and so on.
>>17022730If you drain the bong water from that meme, there’s a kernel of truth: more proof descendants unrelated to the truth of RH have been distilled by both assuming it and not than would’ve been by assuming it or or not.
>>17022731>every human endeavor justNo, the null is that Y and Z are equivalently meta on X.
>>17022400are mathematicians pretending now that they wouldn't be ecstatic if they proved some theorem themselves and got famous from it? this is like an incel becoming a monk
>>17022754Let us cope nigga.
>>17022400"mathematics require soul and intention"Ok he is just a mathematician who feels threatened by a machine doing it, just like some artists felt threatened by the camera and whatnot, this is literally just a sad diary entry, math doesn't require shit, a theorem proved by a person or by a monkey on a typewriter works the same, the same is not true about a work of art, at least in metaphysical aspects, a exact atomic replica of a painting is not like the original only in the metaphysical sense, which is, for some, relevant for art, the same cannot be said about science and math.
>>17022785I have no idea but i will comment nevertheless the post
>>17022787thanks for your input
>>17022400Yeah, I replied to his "I want to see the beauty of how the mind thinks" school tooAt the null manifold level:0^2 = (√0 +√2/2 +I*√2/2)(√0-√2/2 - i*√2/2)(√0 +√2/2 -i*√2/2)(√0 -√2/2 +i√2/2)+ (√0 +I)(√0-i)(√0+√1)(√0-√1) =E^2 (The invariant unity) = (√E +i√p)(√E-i√p)(√E+√p)(√E-√p) + (√E +i√m)(√E-i√m)(√E+√m)(√E-√m)https://x.com/i/status/2080387385389650178He did read it. Seems he's not interested in the mind doing math.......funny that
>>17022791>Didnt read it, that is
>>17022482hilariously it only does this in English for me, anything I search in Japanese it doesn't do this, so I very often just tell it search JP sources only, or JP and then last english but only these sites and it mostly gets rid of that
>>17022400>AI just provided a counter example to a conjecture that I needed to be true, because I couldn't be bothered to prove that my math is correctJust do more work, buddy. You love math, don't you.
>>17022791Wait you post your schizo shit on twitter too? Interesting.
>>17023128Yes. But there's no motivation to belong to the math community now.
>>17023605All your bases.
E = MC^2 + AI
>>17022400Yeah, this guy was in the distinct minority even a hundred years ago. Computers were made precisely because autists like him take too long to solve the problem and we need those maths NOW to advance material science. If you want to be an artist, go finger paint.
>>17022400Science is just garbage at this point
