So who was right? What is "real" and "not real" science? Or right and wrong science? Have we strived too far from normal words?
Read James Ladyman and Bas van Fraassen
Read David Pearce https://www.hedweb.com/hedab.htm
>>17028027All fields are afflicted with junk science.. Psychometrics, String Theory, the Austrian School, Marxism, etcIt's usually driven by politics or pursuit of personal wealth and success
>>17028027Normal words, but a science guy
>>17028027Yes. Spacetime doesnt exist for example.Space is just the extend in which objects lie. To give that empty extend numbers and say it "bends" is objectively bullshit. Its just the extent, it has no number, and nothing cannot bend.Simultanity is in the normal meaning an equivalence relation. If you make a new definition which takes that away you are not talking about simultanity anymore. If you then talk about "time travel" its only related to this new meaningless "simultanity".
>>17028387>Checkmates himself
>>17028390You wish
>>17028176one of those is not like the others
>>17028027>What is "real" and "not real" science? Or right and wrong science?Reproducibility is the only standard. If your theory/model make consistent and accurate predictions, then it's "real/right". If it doesn't, then it's "fake/gay". The "how" doesn't actually matter at the end of the day.The current meta of empirical math that became the predominant way to do science in the last centuries isn't due to any ontological merit. It simply beat the other /x/ competitors such as channeling and divination and whatnot in consistent predictions.If hypothetically tomorrow /x/ schizos start to channel workable scifi techs from their god/spirit/extra-dimension or where the fuck instead of the usual schizo babbles, then "fake/gay" just became "real/right". If.
>>17028925>The CopeYou want God's wisdom without God's glory. You think you can know better and do it without God, so that is what you get.
>>17028944>religious nutjobIf you know God better then you would be producing better models predicting his creations.Instead it's the rest of us and our "heathens" ways who made the very computer you typed your message on.If there is a God, tell me, which one of us know better about his creations again?
Science is the pragmatist arm of natural philosophy. Any time the truth value of a claim regarding the physical world can be established in a way that actually matters* then "science" is being done. Strict adherence to any particular methodology isn't really part of the equation but can be a reliable indicator of when it is, or isn't, being done.*"a way that actually matters" here means "whether or not this claim is true has a measurable impact on the way observable reality operates."
>>17028027Any german anons here? I don't read german fluently. I'm currently reading spheres I-III in translation and enjoying it. In the original, does his language transcend modern politics? Or is it all an "immune-systemically" "climate-warming" flash in the pan?
>>17028027>What is "real" and "not real" science?
>>17028027The real question here is: why do philosophyfags seem so desperate to receive validation from sciencefags? You have no other reason to be visiting this board.
>>17028987Philosophy should be never on /sci/ mostly on /his/ vanishingly on /lit/
>>17028997Eh. Philosophy of science belongs on /sci/ imo. The meta-discussion of "what is it we're even talking about" is a fair discussion to have.
>>17029000You could say the same thing about /ck/: "what are we even cooking (eating) ((voluntarily enjoying life)) (((involuntarily enjoying life))) ((((discussing it all)))) for?"—; /ck/ and /sci/ both have their own boards per se; /his/ and /lit/ should be more open.
>>17029006Pedantic arguments about what constitutes "cooking" do occasionally happen on /ck/ though. Granted, I'm probably not the best representative as a lot of the time I'm on that board I just derail with shitposts about American exceptionalism for fun.
>>17029017For or against?
>>17029000Giving the posting habits displayed on this board it's obvious you just want an excuse to discuss philosophy as part of some dick measuring contest against science. There's nothing interesting to a scientist about discussing the act of conducting science itself, that's completely separate from science. It's philosophy. It's still off topic.
>>17029024His "philosophy" reduces, charitably, to>every football team needs a coach; no coach plays football.
>>17029037>let's all stand around discussing the philosophy behind football instead of just playing football!>what do you mean that sounds boring? Hey stop hitting me!
>>17029046>fungi are essential to life>let's talk about plants>NIGGA HAVE YOU HERD ABOUT FUNGOOS
>>17029047>Let's talk about fungi and plants>Actually let's talk about talking about fungi and plants :3
>>17029049>>17029006>()(())((()))(((()))<WOW> Never thought of that </WOW>
>>17029050>I need to have the last word otherwise what kind of philosopher would I be? /lit/ is waiting for you
>>17029054>>17028997>>17029000<WOW> Never thought of that </WOW>
>>17029056>I prioritize novelty and originality above all else/mu/ is waiting for you
>>17029057>on repeat: <WOW> Never thought of that </WOW>>I prioritize novelty and originality above all else
>>17029058>>on repeat: <WOW> Never thought of that </WOW>>>I prioritize novelty and originality above all else>/mu/ is waiting for you
>>17029059>/mu/ is waiting for youTake your heart and run with it.
>>17029067>Look at me I broke the pattern/mu/ is waiting for you
>>17029072I sincerely believe that you can compose music. If you believe in yourself, that makes two of us :)
>>17029077>changing the subject to avoid admitting you don't belong hereYou know you'd have more fun over at /mu/ than you are here, but your ego won't allow you to leave, and neither will whatever insecurity you have towards science.
>>17029081Don't let your friends discourage you.
>>17029083>Chasing novelty at the cost of everything else/mu/ is waiting for you
>>17029084I believe in you.
>>17029086You're starting to sound a little repetitive there. Running out of ideas?
>>17029021All good food was invented in America and/or American versions of foreign things are better.>>17029024>>17029037I'm not OP. My posts ITT are:>>17028955>>17029000>>17029017And this one.
>>17029088Words won't help you finish your homework; just get some staff paper and write it down... lazy ass bum lol
>>17029089>All good food was invented in America and/or American versions of foreign things are better.Lol no. But America does most nonAmerican food better than nonAmericans can, now, because we pay the fishermen et alii better.
>>17029090>I'm patterning again /mu/ is waiting for you
>>17029094Take the plunge.
>>17029095of what? Philosophy? No. Not interested. That's why I'm here and not on /lit/, which is where you should be.
>>17029092True or false is irrelevant in the art of derailment.
>>17029097>>17028987>>17028997>>17029000If this isn't you, I don't care what you say. If it is you, you're a liar and I don't care what you say. Lol. Oops.>>17029098Post your favorite image.
>>17029101Half of those are me. I don't care if you care or not, I only care that every time I look at the catalogue there's some faggot whining about philosophy because he's too much of a brainlet to navigate his way to /lit/
>>17029101
>>17029115I'm >>17028997 and if that's your favorite image, you should drop your phone in a meadow with the video app running lol
>>17029119Why would I do that?
>>17029121Because your favorite image >>17029115 is overmeta and gross, honestly.
>>17029124I don't follow your chain of reasoning. It's weird. You're weird.
>>17029152>chain of reasoningThat's a completely normal use human words you just shit out there, sparky.
>>17029155Yes. It literally is. Are you the kind of guy that has somehow convinced himself that "it's not A, it's B" has never appeared in common parlance before AI? Because that's dumb.
>>17028891I also have a soft spot for marxism, but the hegelian fortune telling wasnt real science
>>17029159Nope on all. Sorry, robocop
>>17029162If efukt wasn't banned in my state I would have posted that video of robocop shooting a horde of rapists' dicks off. But I can't be fucked to pay for a VPN so I'll just call you gay.
>>17029165Sorry to hear you're intersectionally challenged by geography, money, gayety, and negrotasticness, all at once. Best of luck accessing "efukt" in the afterlife.
>>17028976Imagine applying this method to clean your room. To every task, to your own cognition repeatedly until it is trained and becomes second nature.>>17027494
>>17029168At least I'm not a bot I guess.
>>17029115>unironically using brave>/sci/you genuinely do not belong here
>>17028387*simultaneity
>>17029196Sorry. I was never given the /sci/-approved browser list. I just don't like adds.
>>17029210i dont like divisings but you dont see me complaining about math when i'm discussing a browser.go ask /g/ you half brained little cretin
>>17029213>go ask /g/No.
Why is half this thread people arguing over this thread. Just talk about the topic
>>17029905>>17029905The thread ended here:>>17028976
