I did a chemistry undergrad and feel like I wasted my time but since I did a lot of material's science classes I formally qualify for an applied photonics Master's at my neighboring university.

Should I switch?

I'm filipino

Is there some kind of distance/online electronics engineer/technician course that will give me a job?

>>17030094
Has anyone in pure math or theoretical physics moved in low level security programming here or cryptography engineering? I have been trying to leverage formal software verification on low level cryptography primitives (with a focus on PQC) but I have a feeling I am going to need to be connected to actually getting a job doing this or pivot to general security engineering.

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Getting my masters in psychology how fucked am i

>>17030514
About as fucked as the rest of us. I can't even get a lab tech assistant job in a hospital after pouring years into clinical wet lab skills. I'm fed up.

>>17030514
Mist is S++ tier with the sonic sword. Sol + rune sword is also epic.

>>17030574
Meds. Now.

>>17030400
>programming
>cryptography
Brother, face the truth, it's dead

>>17030599
Huh? I literally just did a hard mode run where she capped magic and speed and was a monster.

>>17030094
you just know that whoever made that pic was fucking seething with hate at HR
i can relate

>>17030707
Literally what the fuck are you even talking about

>>17030717
the only good wojak adjacent pic
wHoRes are what happens when employers aren't equipped to do their job

>>17030738
anon i have never heard of that video game he talks about but i can infer the random anime girl is from it

>>17030745
She's the sister of Ike, the man who literally killed God.

>>17030748
Again. Meds.

>>17030745
Don't care.

>>17030777
why post radom anime crap when you don't know where it's from anyway, normies are weird

>>17030782
The funnier part is that in that picture, Mist is 15 years old. Bro posts pictures of anime high schoolers then gets mad when he doesn't know who they are. My excuse for liking her is purely as a character in the game. He can't use that excuse.

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I'm the one who posted it and I've played por and rd like 3 times each don't besmirch my name

Why do HR people do that thing where you're waiting for a yes/no after a final interview and they ask you instead to schedule a call with them?

Because they are about to hand you a contract (hand you a packet yo) or because they want to see the disappointment on your face when they break the news? Why are they doing this to me mi bernds?

>>17030400
>low level security programming or cryptography engineering

It's replaced by AI. Low level programming is not very complex and completely automated. Cryptography too.

I suppose you should choose something different. Right now me myself trying to get out of tech industry because it's dying and shrinking very fast.

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>>17030094
genuinely what stem field do i get into if i want a job that wont be replaced by AI within the next decades.

>>17031073
Something that requires you to do something physically. LLMs don't have bodies. Biologists and chemists will always need to perform all kinds of lab work.

>>17031073
Whatever allows you to do a minor in Chinese because the entire west's productive industries are being shipped to China right now (Chemical, automotive, etc.) or you do EE with a focus on radio/HF engineering because that's the most demanded major by defense companies right now since WW3 is all about drone warfare.

>>17031073
literally anything once the bubble pops lmao

>>17030802
Based Tellius enjoyer. I've played each at least 15 times. I'm not fucking joking. Probably used every character in each game at least twice.

>>17030827
Normies think it's more respectful that way.

>>17031235
lmao. is there any evidence that the llm menace is losing steam. it just conquered mathematics. soon physics, chemistry, biology will be a smoking crater. "No humans need apply"

>>17031296
That Californian cock must be absolutely scrumptious the way you people suck on it.
>math
talked to people in the field more than enough, people are not scared. Those that aren't directly (((funded))) by Nvidia or other slop mongers don't seem to consider their field "solved".
>chemistry, biology, physics
you know nothing about any of these fields. For example, what do you think are major bottlenecks in theoretical chemistry?

>>17031304
>major bottlenecks in theoretical chemistry?
theoretical chemistry, like an incel having sex? i'd call that bottleneck right-wing propaganda.

>>17031304
>talked to people in the field more than enough, people are not scared.
everybody in math is scared as shit. it is obviously not "solved" (whatever that means) but the progress is undeniable. the consensus 5 years ago was this kind of sophisticated automated math reasoning was impossible or 50+ years away.
>>17031304
>you know nothing about any of these fields
true, but there is evidence that LLMs can make a significant impact, like it already has done in software engineering.

I agree that AI is overhyped, but it is genuinely a technological breakthrough. Compare this to the blockchain/shitcoin hype 5 years ago and it was obvious to anybody that it was entirely useless.

>>17031304
Are you denying that SWE are getting laid off because of AI? What makes you think you are safe?

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>>17030717
Have another

>>17031308
did you get it out of your system, champ? Amazing jape, everyone clapped.
>>17031309
>everybody in math is scared as shit.
I don't see it. Are you in the field? I think the sentiment also depends on the country, for obvious reasons. I have read and listened to so many people spouting
>"the field is growing rapidly and there is no telling how far we will come"
over and over and over, but in reality LLMs are a solution looking for a problem, and currently very brilliant people are working hard on finding problems an LLM can solve to publish that, not the other way around. They are fundamentally ill equipped for many tasks for well documented technical reasons. It is frankly shocking what atrocious dogshit gets published even from Stanford and the like. Agentic nonsense architectures where even the penalty function is hallucinated LLM slop. I attend meetings where people present these findings, ask them if they successfully reproduced any of them, and get crickets. You aren't stupid for being open to the idea, don't get me wrong. But 100% of the time these people, when met with scrutiny, defer to "what may be in 10 years". This is cold fusion talk. This is fitting an exponential to a logistic curve.

The one thing that WILL happen is that a lot of kids will be discouraged from even trying to get into science, which will thin out competition, pork cycle and all that.
>>17031317
layoffs are a function of management-level politics, and the US tech sector has one of the most intellectually inbred and decoupled from reality managerial class known to man.

>>17031330
>layoffs are a function of management-level politics
good point, but the outcome is still the same. you are out of a job because of AI.

>>17031330
If you do not think AI is producing code on a level far above a junior and increasing productivity at an insane rate then you have no contact with the industry. Even a guy like Linus Torvalds has made a 180 about its usefulness. The layoffs are a logical consequence.

As for math it is not magic and is mostly good at finding examples for now but it is not unlikely that it will be a very helpful tool in the same way it is for SWE.

Will we reach AGI with LLM models? I really doubt it but it is changing the landscape and it will surely keep improving for at least the next decade.

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>>17031332
I am not a CSlet, and not American. I don't care about (You)r problems, your entire service economy is a sham that is solely held together by the US' hegemonial status, not economic reality.
>>17031333
>increasing productivity at an insane rate
Ah yes, "productivity metrics" made up by failing managers to justify their own poor decisions. Not a week passes where some tech outlet or other reports of wagies fed up with having pointless agentic middle men shoehorned into their workflow.
>No you MUST use this many tokens a week!
only to hear weeks later
>we have spent HOW much on tokens?!
by the same seagull management.

And all this is in a climate where AI does not turn a profit and where the entire economy hinges on circular money flow from Nvidia to itself. How long do you think this is sustainable? How many "two more years" do we need before investors and their double digit IQs catch up with material reality?

>>17031337
You are delusional

>>17031359
>ignores economical, material and ecological reality of data centers, LLMs, and the current token economy
>calls others delusional
I am sure all these lowercase c companies will operate at a loss forever and subsist of investor hype and nvidia gibs. And I am sure most universities will gladly shell out the true corrected market price for LLMs once the bubble bursts. All you have is empty promises.

>>17031337
I hate it and the code does get worse but from what I can see at my (first) job, we started shipping shit faster since we started using agents. The reason why it works is because no one fucking cares about the quality of the code nor the three http 500s that vibecoding produces a week, since we ship everything 10 times faster. And my manager told me he's thinking about laying off some less good ethnic devs to get infinity tokens so we can prompt-slave harder.
i want to blow my brains out prompting these retarded agents but it's my job now

>>17031377
I am sorry Anon. I have seen corpo culture of that sort from the inside and it is morally disgusting that you are employed by know-nothings who only know/care about "line go up" with no sense of business ethic. The executive class in your industry would need an actual, honest to god night of the long knives culling event to improve at all by now.

>>17031366
>true corrected market price for LLMs
Don't worry, China will keep its LLMs cheap. Merely the fact that chatbots can be used to indoctrinate people worldwide with ideas approved by the Party will justify any operational costs.

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>>17031431
>sure, our Californian scam-based bullshit economy is destined to go up in flames, but China will save us!
Is there any incentive for China to invest in a tech that the alleged hegemon of the western world cannot make profitable? A chat bot you describe is doable with LLMs we had years ago at the start of the bubble. Guess that is just the level of gullible one must expect from a board that has an Elon Musk glazing general.

>>17031433
>Is there any incentive for China to invest in a tech that the alleged hegemon of the western world cannot make profitable?

Keeping it that way.

>>17031436
That's genuinely not difficult. The US does not fare well in the presence of any competition unless they have a serious historical advantage. This is a very flimsy line of reasoning, Anon.

>>17031337
The US is not a market economy. The state has its hand so far up everyone's ass that virtually every company of note is a state enterprise. The profit motive is literally meaningless in an American context and is mostly just a fable that retarded boomers who haven't updated their worldview in 50 years still tell themselves.

>>17030571
Grim. Keep applying, White man.

>>17031447
It's kinda bizarre that the military industrial complex/executive branch is the one with the full coffers though. Take people like Gates who, if memory serves, only succeeded with MicroSlop because of his military connections.

>>17031073
Unironically? Construction/Civil Engineering

Is anyone moving out of the US pursue research? I've heard that some people have to escape the funding slashes, but I don't really know where outside the US is better/easier for research.

>>17031563
The US can slash research funding 100 times and it will still be better off than anywhere else

>>17030094
Hello fellow /sci/ frens living thru this depressing AI slop bullshit era.

Please give me some advice.

I am working on an abstract problem that can be turned into two different research topics. The first is nice and interesting mostly to people working in mathematical signal processing. The second is a bit gnarly but could potentially yield really interesting results concerning neural network training. My supervisor wants me to work on the first one and to publish the results in a mathematical signal processing conference, possibly followed by a paper in ACHA or similar. Do not get me wrong, I like that idea a lot, but I think the second thing could lead to a very nice publication in one of the big ML confs (ICML being my preferred target). I have like 10 months left in my PhD, what should I do ?

By the way I already have a bunch of theory papers in signals confs as well as a journal paper in ieee tsp, I feel like grinding out more signals stuff is kindof pointless

>>17031763
Sounds like you already know the answer. If you have enough published to already get the PhD, I'd definitely roll the dice.

>>17031337
>Ah yes, "productivity metrics" made up by failing managers to justify their own poor decisions. Not a week passes where some tech outlet or other reports of wagies fed up with having pointless agentic middle men shoehorned into their workflow.
The metrics are retarded but this has always been the case with things like measuring the amount of git actions and now with token use. But you have to be retarded if you do not see how much AI can do in terms of writing code and also finding a ton of embarassing bugs in human code. People on here still using free chatgpt have no idea how much the most powerful model can do.

>>17031819
>you have to be retarded if you do not see how much AI can do in terms of writing code and also finding a ton of embarassing bugs
none of these things are relevant to "replacing" anyone any more than an IDE or StackOverflow, you are clearly not the same person as the other one.

>>17031793
Yes I have enough pubs but I don’t know what helps my profile the most in the long run

>>17031763
Depends on how much effort you are expected to put in your thesis. EU? Some effort required, allocate a couple of months at least. US? Just concatenate your papers lmao no one cares. Take that + at least 4 months for bureaucracy and thesis reviews. You can do your extra research in the meantime btw. So you have some time to spare.
It also depends on the conference deadline but otherwise it's doable and recommended if you plan to stay in research.

>>17030827
Didn't get it lol. 7 months no job. It's just my life, who gives a fuck.

>>17031956
Did you ask why they didn't just send you an email?

>>17031959
He thought it would be better communicated face to face.

I should get money from the government for having autism in a normies world.

I know we like to joke around on here about raping our supervisors but honestly I don't even have the energy at this point.

is it worth doing agriculture engineering if I want to do research work regarding regenerative agriculture,climate change etc.,not just doing work on my own field.

>>17031296
I work in the consulting industry and LLM if anything are gaining steam. Last year stuff was middling, previous was useless but this year is pretty good stuff, sufficient to be a credible threat to junior intake. At this rate it will be a credible threat also for seniors next year.

t.senior

>>17031849
>none of these things are relevant to "replacing" anyone
Copium

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>wake up
>check emails
>Thank you for your interest, but

>>17031941
Im in France. I dont know if I want to stay in academia, but I sure do want to make the most of my PhD, given the topics I work on I feel like something that’s missing still is a big ML conf paper, but I might be buying into dumb hype that doesn’t matter in the end. In the end I just want to do good work

>>17032002
>t. baggie
most LLM meme services are failing, Grok demand is completely eclipsed by supply. Your billion dollar IDE features will not be so exciting to employers when they have to pay the actual cost

>>17032076
unless your supervisor has enough buddies in Parisian cocksucker institutions, don't bother with CNRS.
Unless you're a woman or brown.
>might be buying into dumb hype
you are, don't be a trend follower

>enrolled for this upcoming Fall semester
>going back to school for the first time in like 10+ years
I'm excited but also fucking terrified. Also people tell me I didn't make a mistake going Prenursing? Honestly considering switching to NMT or Rad Tech since that shit seems to be way more chill than nursing.

chemistry jobs are there and pay well if you're willing to move. also, analytical isn't chemistry; running an hplc does not make you a scientist

>>17032194
hey fuck you pal
you probably can't even plumb

>>17032207
yeah yeah yeah yeah shut the fuck up and run my NMR then i'll decide if its good material or not

>>17032145
I am already working in a Parisian cocksucker cnrs institution, I’m a Parisian cocksucker.

> you are, don’t be a trend follower
Why? What would be the fundamental problem with this ? You gotta get with the times sometimes, if everyone is scrambling to publish in ML bullshit confs getting a paper there could be a strong signal to a shit ton of groups and companies

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>>17032044
>we'll get an answer to you tomorrow!
>tomorrow
>*wind noises*

>>17032145
>unless your supervisor has enough buddies in Parisian cocksucker institutions, don't bother with CNRS
This line should be included in the wiki desu
>>17032302
>What would be the fundamental problem with this ?
Fundamentally none, but idealists may argue you are a fickle individual who is in it purely for the money and not for ~research~ and there are people like that in charge of hiring.

>>17032194
based, don't forget
>i spent 40k on lasers and mirrors
>i am important! Look! Piss molecule found in space!
>no i can't explain any of it but theory is unimportant, buy me more lasers

>>17032302
because people will ask what novelty you brought to the field, and then they'll get crickets. Your research needs a narrative throughline or people think you just do things others do too. People hire you for your original research not your ability to execute current memes well.

>>17032194
>chemistry jobs are there and pay well if you're willing to move.
Like what and where? If getting a job after my Masters doesn't pan out I am seriously considering patent law

>>17032368
>masters
it's chemistry bro just do your phd it's fine

>>17032342
> Fundamentally none, but idealists may argue you are a fickle individual who is in it purely for the money and not for ~research~ and there are people like that in charge of hiring.
Which money in research? Most people in research are in it for the prestige

>>17032356
I don’t get this comment. Of course whatever the fuck I do would have a strong connection to what I’ve been doing thus far. I’ve never heard of a research project conceived in isolation.

My current question boils down to: should I apply my fancy theory on yet another theoretical signals problem and keep penetrating that community or should I apply my theory to do some theoretical ML/optim work and publish that in a diva ML confs such as NeurIPS/icml or whatever ?

The work would follow the same line of research and it would be cohesive with the rest of my work in both cases

>>17031377
I have started using AI to find mistakes in my analysis, and that works really well, far better than I had expected. I do all the drafting myself, and just AI for quality control, so in my case I save a little time but quality has improved a fair bit.
It is still not perfect. When I fix up the errors from the first round and re-run the AI, it finds new issues it didn't report in the first round, not sure why it doesn't inform me about all issues in the first round. And once all mistakes are fixed, it starts hallucinating.

The rate of improvements is mindblowing. Last year it was rather useless and the year before it was best suited for light entertainment. Next year, my work will have to change completely. Management doesn't appreciate how quickly this is evolving, so I am deep into skunkworks with a few colleagues to evolve new services and stay ahead of what the AI can provide.

A lot of the time I wish I'd done something very practical like mining engineering and then cultivated more hobbies in place of trying to self actualise through academic achievements.

>>17032501
lel are you me?

>>17032355
>i spent 40k on lasers and mirrors
>no i can't explain any of it but theory is unimportant, buy me more lasers

Yeah that's me. Sometimes I just space out for a few hours with a sign on the door telling everyone to go away or get blinded.

>>17032368
sigma for the most part, thermo an option but their entry level jobs are horseshit, eastman, etc.. dont need an MS for either and there are way more internal jobs than you see posted online for externals. the tip is to look for their biggest sites then narrow each one down to LCOL and spam apply to get your foot in the door.

alternatively, you can get a job at agilent without an MS pretty easily but dont go calling yourself a scientist unless you are actually in method development. if all else fails take a technician job at anything tangentially related to what you want to do (such as pharma manufacturing) and eat shit for a year to beef up your resume for a better job. always think of one job as resume filler for the next.

>>17032368
to expand on >>17032752:

all of these places will offer production (i.e. synthesis) jobs. most of it is going to be on the large scale but a site that is 100% large scale such as a BASF or similar entity will have fewer high level jobs for scientists who dont want to get into management. large scale manufacturing involves glass lined 200-5000 liter vessels or larger (sometimes tantalum lined, sometimes involving hydrogen autoclaves, etc) and using distributed control systems (that is, operating agitators and valves via computer). these jobs typically start between 60 and 70k a year in LCOLs.

you can get into a position that involves developing or revising procedures (actually changing the route) if you have a good enough reputation and get to know people without an advanced degree but 95% of the time youll need at least an MS. these i have seen pay between 90 and 100k in a LCOL. the higher stakes stuff such as pharma development obviously is much more demanding and requires a PhD+postdoc but pays 150k-200k+ in LCOLs

startups pay better in general but will require a PhD and you will also constantly be worried about when the layoffs are coming

if you really really really needed it, pretty much any food-related outfit in the country needs a monkey to run their gc/hplc for QC/QA reasons (do not call yourself a scientist). the medical lab scientist is quite a bit more respectable and you are regionally much freer (i.e., you can work at any hospital) but the pay is similar to the production guy with a BS plus you'll need the MLS certificate in most places

>>17032765
>these i have seen pay between 90 and 100k in a LCOL. the higher stakes stuff such as pharma development obviously is much more demanding and requires a PhD+postdoc but pays 150k-200k+ in LCOLs

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE i am fucking malding ill die poor due to being born in yurop

>>17032780
what's that, big boy

So posting about jobs as patent Examiners - yay or nay?
Examiner, not attorneys, that is.

>>17032777
fortunately for you, you can simply use the tired old "our healthcare is free and we have walkable cities" cope but unfortunately itll out you as a poor clown in a fictional country if you use that. you can nevertheless try putting your healthcare as a down payment on a house though or use your transit system to purchase a luxury car

>>17032777
>>17032818
BASF is German, which is in Europe last I checked
and so is Bayer, which gaped Goysanto.

>>17032696
literally paid to pay Legos and brainlet government cucks slurp it up cause muh spaaace
no wonder physical chemistry is such a shit field, who wants to put effort into it when you can just fire lazors

>>17032850
yeah and sigma is also german owned so whats your point? they pay shittily over there because "worker rights" dictate 35 weeks of PTO and a break every hour on the hour for an hour

Why bother. I’m going to blow my brains out and hope to be reincarnated as a north sentinalise hunter gatherer tribesman and wage war on the local clans and hunt boars instead of this disgusting goy serfdom judeocapitalist hell i currently reside in

>>17032355
this is bs. you can calculate that stuff from molecular orbital theory but it's infinitely easier to just measure in lab empirically
you all can kiss my piss

I'm the most mediocre person in the whole world

>>17032799
Those exist even less.

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Got reached out to by a recruiter on linkedin for a large company I want to work at for a role I am an excellent fit for, how do I respond?

>>17032969
Top from the bottom

>>17032853
I do it with semiconductors in industry thoughever

>>17032929
you can calculate that stuff from molecular orbital theory

Sure maybe for the ground state of your isolated piss molecule in the gas phase it will even be somewhat accurate.

But good luck getting it right for higher excited states of different spin for aggregated piss molecules suspended in a polar matrix. Which is usually the kind of setup where the useful piss molecule behavior happens. The reliability is way too ass to supersede experiment.

How long did your post-PhD depression last?

>>17033033
I have been depressed ever since my parents cursed me with the so called "gift of life". It will never end. And to top it off I'm swagapino. I'm trillipino. I'm trapapino.

>>17032858
>they pay shittily over there because "worker rights"
yeah sure the people there are soo poor, a normal ass university prof can't buy a house or a fancy car, surely a BASF employee isn't well off.
>but the number is smaller, why don't they get a gazillion imaginary jew currency instead
i lived and worked is the US at a higher wage and dealing with soulless ghouls, no infrastructure, andd yes having being nickled and dimed for shit that is cheap elsewhere wasn't wort it.
All the "reee why am i so poor :(" SE faggots never left their country and never will

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>>17032968
Some exist:
https://jobs.epo.org/
Why would they lie?

When they finally let the AI losoe on every journal, there will be a lot of professorships that suddenly will be open for fresh applicants. >>17033041

>>17033060
>Cambridge
lol
next they will find all celebrity/politician "phd"s are ghostwritten

>>17033059
There are a lot of evil people in this world

>>17033053
I would become more somber when considering that industry (like BASF) will downsize in the short-to-med. term in Europe due to comp. pressure unless defense fearmongering might make their states care about autonomy again.

>>17033070
Thank you Muhammad Ali Javed for this much needed friday lel

CDC told me I'm eligible for a lab job. Wish me luck, I guess.

>>17033093
You got fauci's blessing to touch the Bunsen burner?

>>17033098
I'm just trying to get a job with my degree man. I worked blue collar all through uni to make it work.

>>17033098
If you can't beat em, jew'n 'em

>>17032208
Bro cant even run an NMR XDDD your research work will be taken over by AI while lab techs become metrologists

>>17033107
Sorry I shouldn't have made fun I have vaccine related brain damage that makes me act out

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>>17033069
>There are a lot of evil people in this world
I know, and I have met quite a few of them. Fate catches up with everyone, is one of my favourite expressions, and I have seen it happen quite a few times. I celebrate it every time.

t.Count of Monte Cristo

Imagine you loser double drop-out student that finally managed to work themselves through a stem degree. After doing an intership at a mediocre lab you get a working student job offer (for two days a week) from a top semiconductor device manufacturer for one of their quantum sensing projects.

The problem is that the only way for you to make it work is to take a 3 hour train ride after waking up at 4 am to the plant in the working, stay overnight at a motel and then return back to your hometown after another 3 hour train ride following your shift during the second week day. You still have the remaining lectures of your degree the other 3 days. Would you do it?

>>17033177
How longs the project.

Honestly running yourself completely ragged through work can be a swag lifestyle flex

>>17033191
6 months is the contract with a possible and optional extension.

>>17033192
Yeah just thug that shit out for the sake of your future career.

>>17033151
I totally get why you did, but like I said, I just want to finally have a job related to all the infectious disease work I busted my ass on.

>>17033177
>>17033194
>a top semiconductor device manufacturer for one of their quantum sensing projects

Yeah I'd go for that definitely. It has the potential to set you up for very nice jobs. Unfortunate about the train rides but for six months you can just grit your teeth.

>>17033309
A fart, clap and a giggle

"AI" will take care of the digitalization and automation but it can't do fuck all about electrification yet. Go EE

>>17033139
>wow i know how to pipette a diluted sample into a vial
>wow i know how to put the vial in the sampler tray
>wow i know how to load a method that a scientist developed
>wow i know how to wait for it to run
>wow i know how to print
>wow i know how to bring it to the scientist to interpret it
>wow i know how to flush the system with IPA
you deserve no more than $38,000 a year

>>17033339
who do you think develops and validates the methods?
you're just describing a tech

>>17033082
The entire US economy is held together by "services" and ketamine addicted failsons who rely on government gibs and scamming clueless investors, Europe actually manufactures physical things worth having

>>17031563
I was based in Germany and there are a flood of grad school and post doc applications from the US. I know someone who decided to move to EU specifically to evade the mess that is ICE rn.

You can look into the Walter Benjamin postdoc fellowship or find a PhD position in Germany. The salary is less, but you get 30 days of vacation, excellent work life balance.

I heard academic salaries in France are abysmal. NL is the most English friendly in the EU, but they're facing budget cuts. Same with Austria. There is a hiring freeze in Austria, so don't wait if something there was on your list.

>>17033358
see >>17032194

I WILL NOT work in the peen2peen SaaS.

>>17033506
is this a youtube poop or something

>>17033510
My life is a YouTube poop

>>17031073
Plumber is STEM

My supervisor should have his fancy new wages garnished so I can be paid reparations.

I reactiveated LinkedIn and within eight seconds wanted to invest in rope

just a reminder of my status as a career failure at this point and a humiliation ritual to be forced to have it up for fear of giving hr stacy the ick

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>>17034161
Profiles are not always what they appear to be. In my case, it looks like I advanced fromone victory to the next. Reality, only seen by those who pay attention, is that I crashed out of each field adn was barely able to crawl on board the next career trajectory. I also have a gap year where a few of us founded a startup that crashed, but nobody seems to notice this.

So hang in there, anon, WAGMI.

>>17034224
Yeah I know. It becomes pretty easy to read between the lines with CVs of academic failures like myself. Which is why I'm all too aware of how glaring it is to anyone looking. The one consolation is that, generally, nobody is looking. Which was just fine until I needed a new job.

>>17034249
>The one consolation is that, generally, nobody is looking.
True.
>Which was just fine until I needed a new job.
I crashed out, had my CV scrutinized, yet nobody asked about it. It is hard tobelieve what kind of people are paid to read a CV. I remember one clown show where they thought a PhD was a kind of Master's degree.

I wish I was smarter and could have been working at an AI company right now making millions while working on something historical and interesting and world changing.

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A major problem is how universities changed from education to profit centers selling degrees. They have become diploma mills to fund the outrageous compensation packages for the administrators. In many cases foreign students who pay even higher tuition are simply run through their programs and given diplomas without actually learning to think. These students make the most money per student and if they failed any, most, of them the stream of money would stop. When I went to uni none of the professors gave a shit if you passed or graduated there was always another paying student waiting to take your spot and they papers to publish so they would not perish. I have worked with and supervised people with all levels and all kids of technical degrees and most do not even understand the physical world they live in, and do not understand the work. The vast majority of discovery and implementation of new ideas/technology is by a very small percentage of people. On top of that business administration became Human Resources and staffed with DEI marxist/communists who destroy the work environment wherever they are allowed.

>>17034326
I got very close. You also need a lot of luck.

>>17033177
yes I rejected a similar offer because of my pride and refusing to work with retards now all the retards have cushy jobs while I am a neet.

>>17034326
>world changing
would have sounded good if you added
>for the better
which is clearly not the case with ai

>>17031073
Veterinary science. An AI robot isn't going to drive out to a farm and fix a cow's hoof. Even if it could, animals would be spooked by robots which they can smell aren't living things.

>>17033893
This but unironically. An electrician works with technology, so do HVACfags.

Hell's kitchen type reality show but for a postdoc position in an organic chemistry lab

>>17033337
really want to do EE masters but my physics undergrad period was hell and thus grades are low, also 0 industrial experience

>>17034390
>A major problem is how universities changed from education to profit centers selling degrees.
That is what happened in the UK and the rot has now progressed so far that the financial situation is a regular feature in Financial Times. It will have to crash soon, leaving tens of thousands of students stranded. A consolidation will follow but the damage is already a fact. A country that pays better for flipping burgers than a postdoc is well on its way off into the abyss.

Any German anon can explain why there is a huge dive in job postings since August? There are barely 5 per day now when it was preiviously at least 20.

>>17034578
>That is what happened in the UK and the rot has now progressed so far that the financial situation is a regular feature in Financial Times.
To wit:

>European education group eyes takeovers of UK universities
https://archive.is/SwS5Z
>Europe’s biggest for-profit higher education group has said it is eyeing financially distressed British universities as takeover targets, arguing that private money could help transform a struggling sector.
>Kamil Senhaji, chief executive of Paris-based Galileo Global Education, said Britain was “an appealing market” for long-term investment in universities, adding that he was having “discussions” about possible acquisitions.

This will be grim.

>>17034579
Not German, but finance news is full of stories about massive job losses in the German car industry, upward of 1 million are expected to go and already 500 from upper management have been ejected, that is more than outplacement companies have capacity to handle.
People still in work expect to lose their jobs any time now and have saturated their network with inquiries about new opportunities. Expect the number of job postings to decline further.

>>17030514
Unironically, work with retarded kids (autism, antisocial, etc) Parents or schools will pay top dollar to have their retarded kid talk to you for an hour a week. Also, pet psychology

>>17034426
I don't remember posting this...

>>17034390
>>17034578

I mostly agree. Beyond the ethics of the profiteering university model (which works better in some places in that it produces institutions with staying power), another issue is that UK unis are just crap at it and cannot balance a budget to save their lives.

They further decided their competition in the higher education sector is the US, presumably because their institutions are of similar rank. So the international prices are comparable to US.

But international uni admissions aren't just about education quality, rather what kind of jobs the degree provides access to. The UK job market gives your Oxbridge non-meme engineer £30k starting and £50k mid-career. Why the fuck would anyone pay £60-100k or whatever it is over four years for that.

>staffed with DEI marxist/communists who destroy the work environment wherever they are allowed

There definitely is a lowered bar in hiring for certain demographics but I think it is even more broken than that. A good portion of the straight white men are also just bullshit artists whose only talent is networking and playing the system because the whole thing is gameified beyond all meaning.

A geniunely marxist education sector would be a lot more honest and useful. In the soviet union they didn't turn their universities into cash cows for foreign students and then slaughter them when it became politically expedient.

>one chance at life
>born mediocre at math
Why even live?

>>17034799
>use ai
>now you are as powerful as a 180IQ person

>>17034579
>August
Not German, but I bet it's just everyone is on vacation

>>17034576
>really want to do EE masters but my physics undergrad period was hell and thus grades are low
Would that really stop you? I know people with fairly mediocre grades in a eastern european shithole that went on masters at solid Universities.

What do you think about this degree plan for a master's in physics?

15 ECTS Bachelor’s level courses
Computational Physics I 7.5 ECTS
Solid state Physics I 7.5 ECTS

30 ECTS general master's level courses

Mathematical methods for physics 7.5 ECTS
Classical Electrodynamics 7.5 ECTS
Quantum Mechanics II 7.5 ECTS
Statistical Physics I 7.5 ECTS

45 ECTS electives at master's level

Computational Physics II 7.5 ECTS
Introduction to Quantum Computation 15 ECTS
Advanced Quantum Mechanics 7.5 ECTS
Advanced Condensed Matter Physics 7.5 ECTS
Density functional theory 7.5 ECTS

30 ECTS Master Thesis

>>17035062
I assume QM I is in the first 15 credits because it's mandatory. DFT makes sense if you are interested in semiconductors and the like (judging by your plan) but I wonder how much of it will be quantum chemistry. As things are you have nothing to prepare you for inorganic chem, which admittedly is only tangentially relevant depending on what it is you think your Ma will be about.

>>17035062
Pretty similar to what I did. And I'm posting here 8 years after graduation so that should tell you how it panned out.

I graduated with a biology degree some years ago, didn't get a relevant job, and then I started this website for teaching people biology. if anyone thinks it looks interesting enough to try to read some of it, then I'd be happy to hear some feedback. especially on the three articles in the "history" category. the website address is historyofbiology.net

(I know that the cell biology article feels a bit incomplete, because I haven't been able to read all the relevant primary sources due to language barrier (I don't know german or french, but plan to try to learn if I get the time). currently I'm working on a history of chemistry article, and once that's finished I'm gonna buy a microscope and add some pics and video clips to the previous articles.)

>>17035170
I am trying to pivot from a life I barely recognise into doing drug discovery. I will read your site.

>>17035175
I'm real close to quitting my chudcel job and pivoting to full time drug discovery if you are picking up what i am putting down

>>17035180
what stops you from quitting right now?

>>17035182
Mostly I get up in the mornings due to habit and something like momentum

>>17035183
yeah can be hard to change that.

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>pivot to industry
>think I may be doing alright for myself
>click some YT vid about STEM careers
>check comments
>"...It is known in the circles that only bad PhD students end up in the industry. Those people lacking curiosity, ambition and intelligence"
>feel like a failure again
I mean the poster was not wrong but it stings anyway

>>17031333
>on a level far above a junior
wrong, agentic code is dogshit. Yes, the frontier models too
>Even a guy like Linus Torvalds has made a 180 about its usefulness
No, he just said it's a powerful tool and it will not be banned from use in linux, which is a perfectly reasonable and rational take. That's very different from him advocating people send LLM slop PRs his way, though it did get twisted into that my Musk's army of indian shills of twitter

>>17030118
If you’re in the United States, then make sure you are able to get a security clearance before you switch into photonics, meaning you have citizenship, haven’t been arrested, don’t have family in Iran/Russia, etc. The hiring in this field has slowed down in almost every sector except for defense, so make sure you can actually work in that field before going into photonics.
As far as whether or not you should switch, photonics isn’t a bad field for job security, and salaries are decent (a fresh masters graduate could probably expect $85-115k depending on location), but you’re going to be extremely geographically limited on where you can find a job.

>>17034390
she's just getting ready to rob a bank is all

Why do GF and TSMC take over 2 month to send a simple rejection mail? No way in hell did it take them 2 month to review my shit.

>>17035470
the rejection email is sent automatically when they close the hiring process

>>17035256
I am not in the US, no crimes and no antagonist family/citizens and I am a NATO citizen.

However I did an exchange semester in Beijing.

Am I on the naughty list now?

They are straight up offering me subsistence wages. What the fuck.

>>17035490
Autism/ADHD might trip you up.

>>17035145
Already did QM 1 (Bachelor's level) outside this degree plan.

I haven't studied any chemistry since high school, but I am interested in materials since it is related to my job.

My dream job would be quantum computing or semi-conductor engineering.

>>17035524
>QC
One word of warning, don't get into it if people don't make any progress correlating distant qbits. The reasoning behind it is that if the correlation betweem qbits is low, the Hamiltonian (and thus the propagator in a time-dependent picture) is well-approximated by contraction of lower rank tensors (see Tucker decomposition). Basically, most naive simulations of QCs use exponentially scaling classical algorithms to compare to, which is pure marketing. As long as only a few qbits are correlated (all present archs) any claims of quantum supremacy are on a spectrum between ignorant and outright fraudulent.

>>17035531
I dont understand what you are talking about (yet). Thanks for the heads up though.

>>17035539
No biggie, gonna add the cliff notes of this in linear algebra terms. Basically, if you have QM1 I assume you learned that [math] \Psi(t) = \exp(\frac{i}{\hbar}\hat{H}t)\Psi[/math]
You need to expand H in a basis for each degree of freedom, for example 3N for N point particles, and that gives you as many indices. So the naive representation scales like [math]n_1\times\dots\times n_f[/math], where n_i is the number of basis functions in that degree of freedom. However, if some motions do not correlate, the value of the entries in H do not depend on all indices, and the most absurd case is no correlation, where you only have [math]\sum_i n_i^2[/math] distinct values. Stuff like singular value decomposition is what teaches you how to cope with inbetween problems. Hope that gives you the vibe at least!

>>17035547
ah wow it fucked up. you get the idea tho

>>17035547
Fuck you

>>17035550
It's 4chan that fucked up, not me, the preview looked good as well. Should I retype it?

>>17035524
>My dream job would be quantum computing or semi-conductor engineering.

Just be aware that most of the interesting jobs in both sectors will require a PhD

>quantum computing
Decent salaries but not a truly widespread industry yet so who knows how it pans out also has attracted a lot of high level talent over several years already.

>semi-conductor engineering
Will be around for a good while but 60k before taxes anywhere that is not the USA. Also even the good jobs are fairly mundane (which I guess happens when it's a real business).

>>17035524
if you want a semi conductor job then you better take or do something optic related. Even if you did semiconductor research they wont care they search for EEs first physicists second. QC is a meme you can learn from books same with field theory you are much better served if you learn some control theory or some process control stuff. Both of these tie directly into semiconductor industry jobs.

>>17035250
>>"...It is known in the circles that only bad PhD students end up in the industry. Those people lacking curiosity, ambition and intelligence"
Not even remotely true. You need curiosity, ambition, and intelligence to start a PhD study and definitely to complete it. The real reason many end up in industry (like I did) is that the academic pyramid narrows quicky and life as a postdoc is very lean.
In my acse, I started in a field where I had an opportunity for industry as a fallback position. That way you are not hostage to academia. As it happened, y field imploded, and those who got a position as a professor before the collapse, ended up with a very limited victory.

>>17035497
Like seriously how the fuck am I supposed to live on less than a thousand euros a month. Why am I the one who gets treated like this constantly? My labmate walked into a 12k a month internship without even having to particularly try and I'm here getting unending cock and ball torture and humiliation after humiliation. Does got hate me? Am I paying for something in a past life?

Is it because I lied about being Filipino but bravely told the truth about European patent officers?

Is it because of my shameful FAANG internship?

>>17032850
>>17033082
>>17033053
Chemical Engineer from Germany here, besides all the reports that the job market is looking bleak, I highly advice to do as many working student / internships as possible, while in university.
>>17033082
>>17033053
I worked for the BASF in Ludwigshafen actually. Senior engineer salaries are at around 120k, which catapults you into the Top 10% salary wise in Germany. You can also buy their stocks cheap. Work is fun and the people there are very skilled and hardworking.

If you are pursuing a career in such a field, "40 hour weeks" become unimportant, as you have individual "freelancer" style contracts with the company. My collegues, boss etc all worked easily 60-80 hours on average. Slides being edited at 23:59 on a sunday, while having a family and such.

Yes 120k is a lot in Germany. In the end it always boils down to what you have left net at the end of each month. I'm not too familiar with the life in the US, but if your rents are really 3-4k or 6k in new york and private insurance, retirement plans and supermarkets cost as much as they make it out to be, you will likely be better off in Germany. Ludwigshafen is considered to be the ugliest city in Germany. You can live in Heidelberg (one of the most beautiful) and work in Ludwigshafen tho.

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Is there any job where my physics degree alone can carry me? Well aside from a phd in my group...
Idk I know a lot of stuff and can do some of it but I never really did anything with it so all I have is my degree and a really long study time pic is my cv idk which one I should pick. Any advice ? Yes I know I am fucked with zero work experience I just did stuff like delivery part time....

Here's a list of EE subfields ranked based on how much they're threatened by AI:

1. Computer Engineering (Digital Design & Embedded Systems)
Threat Level: High — Highly vulnerable to automated coding and logic generation.

2. Signal Processing & Communications
Threat Level: Moderate-High — Heavily math- and data-dependent, making it prime for neural networks.

3. Control Systems
Threat Level: Moderate — AI excels at optimization, but physical safety boundaries protect human jobs.

4. RF (Radio Frequency) Engineering (Standard/Low-Power)
Threat Level: Moderate-Low — High-frequency physics behaves unpredictably, resisting simple automation.

5. Microelectronics & IC Design (Analog)
Threat Level: Moderate-Low — Analog design relies on physics-based intuition rather than rigid digital logic.

6. Power Systems & Renewable Energy
Threat Level: Low — Protected by massive physical infrastructure and strict government regulations.

7. Biomedical Engineering (Instrumentation)
Threat Level: Low — Insulated by strict regulatory bodies and the complexity of the human body.

8. Optics & Photonics
Threat Level: Low — Highly dependent on niche, physical alignment, optical laboratory work, and non-linear physics.

9. Robotics & Mechatronics
Threat Level: Very Low — This field builds the physical bodies that AI needs to interact with the world.

10. Nanoelectronics
Threat Level: Very Low — Operates at the frontier of quantum mechanics where training data does not yet exist.

>>17036059
A list of projects are good, adding what you achieved is even better.
So R&D on 3d SQUIDS - did you make a new device, was it patented or industrialised?
Developing software - was it deployed in production?

>>17036077
>where training data does not yet exist
hold on, I thought AGI is there? why does it need more training data if it can reason any problem to a solution?

>>17036088
That won't work and AI is far from alone in hallucinations. Theoreticians have successfully created new theories to fit to measurements that were in error. And we sure don't want an AI to add to this noise.
There is already too much fraud in science to train an AI reliably. We might get somewhere if we can use AI to hunt down the frauds and have all the filth retracted. That will take a long time since many big time frauds have solid networks that protect them from their consequences. Just look up the Altzheimer research to find horrific examples.

Lay it on me straight guys, this isn't going to end well is it?

>>17036154
I'm thinking the only job I'm going to get is when I get drafted for ww3.

>>17036161
That would be a mercy for me at this point

>>17036081
> A list of projects are good, adding what you achieved is even better.
I thought I already did that
>So R&D on 3d SQUIDS - did you make a new device, was it patented or industrialised?
prof owns the patent I was only the guy who tried out the idea and researched it
>Developing software - was it deployed in production?
I got to sell it to the lab in question so I guess so?
I really have no clue what else to write maybe I can just do some random C projects but I doubt anyone will care about yet another raymarch editor or minecraft.

>>17036179
>I thought I already did that
It is true in that you stated that "found ideal parameter for further process engineering" but that is too open ended. Stating that it was patented, even though you were not names as an inventor, is better.

>I got to sell it to the lab in question so I guess so?
That is good, so write it up that the software was deployed commercially. Especially if you want an industrial job, this would tick a lot of their boxes.

>random C projects
If it is on Github it could demonstrate that you have written software you are willing to present in public.

>>17036179
>I got to sell it to the lab in question so I guess so?
very nice how much?
i'm trying to get into research software engineering as a phd chemist because everything i've used sucks

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Oh good.

>>17036257
not much I didnt want to rip them off since it was mostly just documenting my previous work and porting some old code. Like 1k.

>>17036407
oh
that sucks man that's like less than 1 week of pay

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>company is hiring a guy with a job description similar to mine
welp, it's over for me lads, I'm getting sacked

If you are an American and you aren't bringing a concealed handgun to work and interviews then you are leaving crucial alpha on the table. That piece tucked in your waistband or knapsack could be the difference between confident success and utter failure.

I am a 110-115 IQ Pharmacy student and I can't stand my work. I will graduate in a year.
I'll work and save money for a BSc.
Which fields are worth pivoting to? STEM

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So I started a Bachelor's degree in (applied) mathematics. Is there an ai safe(r) Master's degree I could add later/switch to or should I cut my losses right now and just switch to something else where I can carry some things over. If so, what? Mechanical Engineering? Electrical Engineering? Physics?
Shit is depressing...

>>17036540
I recommend finding a AI proof EE field and getting an MsC in that. However, you should leverage your maths experience which can help in certain EE fields, also if possible do some courses related to EE during your Bachelor's so that you are more qualified for a Masters.

Make sure there is an actual realistic path for the Master's degree, do not just wait passively and hope that a chance arises.

> be me retard
> worked on some biosensors in my thesis a couple years back
> I did it for my phd as well
> by all means I am the expert in this shit
> there has been a gap not much like 3 years where I worked in the industry and I want to go back to more research focused role
> look around
> oh a corp does something similar as I did
> read up on it
> its the same shit
> nice
> apply
> get rejected because lack of credentials
what the fuck. Should I just spam them or call them and complain? They are retarded.

>>17036540
Why did you go into applied mathematics? It's a pretty dead field, and one that's already completely automated by AI. If you need AI-proof degree, you should go to healthcare.
But real AI-proof jobs are trades, electrical work, welding, and plumbing.

I graduated with a bachelors and masters in applied math. About 10 percent of my class actually went into jobs that require math, another 20 percent found work in tech, and the remaining 70 percent went wherever or ended up unemployed.

I got my masters last year and I am still unemployed. But since july this year I have been taking electrician courses, so I will probably start working as an electrician soon.

>>17036530
>STEM
STEM is merely dead right now. No jobs. Try go to healthcare.

>>17036291
i was jobless before it was cool tbqh

>>17036540
Yes the professors at the electrical engineering department will be delighted to accept you into their graduate program despite you having done zero course work in their field. A math degree makes you an academic nobility after all. Simply show up and say "I have a math degree" and they'll probably just go ahead and make you dean right there.

>>17036567
Find someone and email them. Explain the mistake they are making.

RIP Jason Arday, you would have loved posting made up bullshit on here with your fellow insecure liars.

How are you going to be a grown man getting bullied at a summer school by the other young academics? Smdh at my own life.

>>17036829
>anon starts seething about math out of nowhere
Also is sucking some random Professors' dicks to get into your Master's program an Indian thing or?
Normally there are pretty clear guidelines and criteria for people coming from adjacent Bachelor's degress like specific courses you have to have taken. Either you fulfill those or you don't.

>>17036857
Just be self-depreciating to the point of being repulsive

So what field is worth going into? Robotics now right, that has to be the next big boom? Even if AGI is achieved, it'd still be limited to digital, we'd need a huge robotics boom for it to truly be useful in the real, physical world, and then also even if it isn't achieved, we still need more robots anyway.

>>17036567
A 3 year gap is fucking horrible when applying to anything at all you have to lie on your cv man and fill that gap with something

>>17037305
Anon said xe was working in industry for those 3 years not gooning and playing LoL.

>>17037307
is there a difference? joke asides, 3 years outside a career track is basically the end of that career.

>>17037309
you speaking from experience?

>>17037320
yes. employment in industry is looked upon very badly in academia and academia-adjacent organisations.

>>17037376
and why would that be?

>>17037383
nta and not trying to dunk on you but have you never talked to professors outside of a class environment? The reasons people give varies but it is a culture thing first and foremost, something I would have expected most people socialized in an academic environment to have at the very least noticed, if not absorbed.

>>17037376
>>17037391
Employment outside academia is not an issue as such. I've known quite a few people who worked in industry before their PhD and that is just fine.

Gaps during your academic career are an issue, as you become ineligible or less competitive for positions the longer you have been out of your PhD. Specifically, many postdoc fellowships have a maximum eligibility five-ish years post-PhD.

>>17037395
>Employment outside academia is not an issue as such.
Not objectively, no. It can be unpleasant to deal with for everyone else if they start treating academia like industry though. I have seen the odd professor who stuck out like a sore thumb in a faculty, completely tone deaf and clueless.

>>17037399
What do you even mean by this? What you are saying and how you are saying it sounds just elitist and juvenile.

As far as actual problems with returning from industry to academia go, academia proceeds in a career pipeline where every step upwards requires active or recent research/funding/teaching commitments and outputs which very few industry careers are compatible with. Since academic positions post-PhD level are highly competitive, it effectively makes the academia to industry transition a one-way street.

I cannot for the life of me figure out what you think the problem is, outside of some vague notion of yourself getting the ick and gossiping because someone has a different background.

>>17037395
The poster had done a PhD and then spent 3 years in industry doing grunt work. He then wanted to get back into a research role related to his previous work. He was denied because he lacked (research) credentials and was flabbergasted.

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>>17037404
You are completely correct on the objective metrics, but you seem confused about the human part of the equation. I think "people with an industry background can be quite differently socialized as a consequence and that can clash with the rest of the faculty" is a self evident thing to say.
>elitist
Anon... academia is meant to be an intellectual elite by nature. Elitism is but a social defense mechanism.
>and juvenile.
I think if 9 people in a room cringe at the 10th it is clear that the guy singled out is the problem, Anon.
>I cannot for the life of me figure out what you think the problem is
I am merely describing what I've seen, Anon. I know that notions of "reading the room" are confusing and arbitrary to people on the spectrum, but to give a very simple example: Some industries are filled with disgruntled former researchers, and the general mindset of people from such a social sphere may be along the lines of
>they are doing the REAL WORLD science, unlike the esoteric research done in academic ivory towers
Now imagine someone with that mindset makes it back into academia. People clock that.
>gossip
People talk, Anon. They gossip. A faculty should (and does) also select on social factors, because they will have to work with the guy for the next few decades.

>>17032189
I didn't know "prenursing" was a thing. If your goal is just to make an easy living, go radiology. If you actually like hands-on medicine, then go with nursing. Rad techs mostly operate machinery. There are a some options with surgery or interventional radiology, but in general you don't have a lot of interaction with patients other than 30 seconds of positioning for each exam. Nursing is a much more varied field. If you're a retard, you can work in a SNF. If you're a hotshot you can do critical care or flight nursing. You can do home care, virtual care, school nurse, go the NP route, etc. Lots of options, but most of them involve messy work and bureaucracy.

Also, just because there's always a shortage of nurses doesn't mean you'll get to do exactly what you want. There's always a shortage of SNF and med/surg floor nurses because those jobs kind of suck. Critical care, emergency, and other fields are more competitive. Flight nursing is insanely competitive.

>>17037411
Thanks for the insight into your headspace. Since we're anonymous here, I will say I think you are a very small-minded individual and unusually toxic even for the academic space. My condolences to whoever your colleagues are.

>>17037411
Having spent half of my adult life in academia and the other half in industry, I wholeheartedly agree with >>17037427.

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>>17037429
>>17037427
Having spent more than half of my adult life in academia myself, I am sorry to hear that "people seek social cohesion" and "being outwardly hostile towards the majority of people in a group causes friction" are observations that are considered toxic and small-minded. I am sure all of these disgusting human behaviors will soon be in the past. Just a few more diversity and HR measures bros.

I’m American, If I self learn engineering starting from nothing with a totally unrelated degree can I at least get the bitch tier jobs or get some outsider certification? I know how protected ABET and PE and all that is but is there any option at all here? I just recently got interested in this stuff. My school and college never offered engineering so I was never exposed to it but it’s really cool
I can’t afford to go back to school

>>17036611
Trades are awful in my state

Anyone here in topological quantum systems? If so, what are some unexplored areas of research I could look into? Particularly (but not limited to) open systems.

I'm writing a grant but I'm having a hard time identifying those areas from the literature because I'm not yet fully proficient with the theory.

How good should I be get full ride need-blind admission in a US university? Do you know any success stories?

>>17037421
Well people just call it prenursing sorta like pre-med but really my major is Health Sciences. Honestly only chose nursing because the money + many different opportunities/routes you can go like the few you described in your post. I'm not a full blown retard but I will admit I am absolute fucktard when it comes to math but most of the shit I've seen online from nurses say that they only do very basic math and even then they just use their phones/calculators and also have people double check their math just to make sure they don't kill anyone. I'm honestly just worried that I won't make the GPA to even get in the program since I'm NYC, and programs are competitive as fuck. I was initially gonna go the HHA/CNA route but that would've taken an additional 2-3 years so I figure I'd just go skip all that shit and just outright get might associates and then just have the job pay for my bachelors but that's if I don't decide to just transfer to a 4 year school. As for what I want to do, I still haven't decided yet I've just seen so many people say to stay the fuck away from besides because of the burnout/want to kys.

On the flip side rad tech seems so much more chill and if you get the right modalities you can make just as much as an RN, without killing yourself or being anywhere near as stressed. But there are only like a handful of modalities you can pick up with that, so there aren't nearly as many opportunities compared to nursing where they have like 30+ specialties, where you're more likely to eventually find something you like. I don't know I have at least 2 whole semesters to decide if I do end up deciding to switch what program I apply to, pretty sure I can apply to both and then since you have to take the TEAS for both anyway. I just don't want to be one of those people that goes one route and then ends up hating their career and wishing they went the other way. I've been reading a lot of reddit posts about how they wish they went rad tech or nursing.

>>17037452
>Can I get a job/go to graduate school as an engineer despite having no qualifications or credentials?
Why is this such a common question? Is it just financial desperation?

>>17037452
Engineering is a retarded normie major. They give away engineering jobs to anyone meeting minimal requirements. Depending on location, etc, switching careers to engineering is relatively doable and robust.

>>17037829
if you don't have a degree that says "engineering" on it from an ABET accredited university you are not getting a job. It's really that simple.

>>17037831
I agree. However, my point was that switching to an engineering career by doing an engineering degree later in life is viable and robust. Especially compared to science/academia or finance. I think this was the concern of the poster.

>>17037832
He literally said going back to school is not an option and the entire crux of his post was asking if he can pivot to engineering without going to back school. You can't read and you have low intelligence, which is humorous when contrasted with the posturing you are attempting.

>>17037834
Yeah it is going to be hard without going back to school, but he could possibly get some defense contractor technician job with on the job training and then go back for an engineering degree later. Self-learning is not really a thing for engineering as you correctly point out.

>>17037849
The best he could do is try to get a tech job at some tiny boomer corp (less than 20 people on payroll) and those places are always a nightmare and the only reason they will hire him is because they will view him as someone they can low ball. he is asking for a world of hurt

I cant read, have a double digit iq and am unemployed. I still look down on engines because I have a PhD and they dont. *Burp*. Time to jerk it to hentai.

How do I move into finance consulting? I tried all the normal positions for physicists no one replies back everyone ghosts me so I want to test consulting next. Its Germany and I was always told its the one refuge we have.
I have no clue whatever to present them nor what to write in the cover letter.
Any anon here that can tell me how its like to work in that sector?

>>17038266
>How do I move into finance consulting
You dont.

>>17037522
Which race are you?

>>17037855
To be honest, I do like working at small/tiny companies a lot better than big corporations. Not necessarily a bad way to go depending on where you end up.

>>17038270
Slavjew

is moving to Switzerland to do my chem phd better than doing it in the same German university where I did my bachelor and masters?

>>17038458
who gives a shit about anything

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Got an interview for IRS operations research. Not sure if I did any good. Just lame STAR questions, I froze and didn't autismmaxx (did they want that?) data dump. One of the panelist was an old lady and she seemed to like me which was nice. Would be taking a paycut for the job just to do something more math related and not sinecure defense grift with doughnuts and "WFH"

>>17037831
This isn't true. I have an engineering degree from the accredited UK uni (no ABET), and i didnt have too major of an issue (took me ~1 year of casual effort, maybe ~50 interviews over all but I was god awful at interviews so it had nothing to do with my degree) finding a real engineering job back in the US

Do HR ladies and ATS scanners obsess over the exact field of my degree?
I have a masters degree in radiology but I have never been to medical school. I only did research on deep learning image analysis and my bachelors degree is not in math or comsci.
I think I might be unemployable. I even get rejected from menial jobs due to my education.

>>17038661
>I even get rejected from menial jobs due to my education.
try food delivery

>>17034938
Not sure. I did my undergrad in the best Uni in my country, but it's minimum requirements for masters as well as any other decent uni here are higher than my gpa. I can submit a request to an exceptions committee which I probably will.

>>17038458
Depends on the ranking

What pay can I expect as a physicists MSc without work experience in Germany? Going from uni phd wage every company seems offended I don't get it. If I do a phd I get paid 70% form the promised 61k which is like ~43k however if I want a industry job and say 61k I never get a response. I always get ghosted at this stage even went as low as 52k just to get a interview still ghosted. What am I doing wrong here?

>>17038266
>consulting?
Finance and also mangement consulting are in LLM induced collapse. There is practically zero junior intake and nobody expects any change the next few years. Instead, there are already signs that these company will trim down the number of seniors.
This is not an industry where you will want to work.

>>17038802
Having a PhD with no experience is barely above retard level from the PoV of the industry. The fact you demand compensation in the first place is absurd. Now go do unpaid internships alongside 18yos for a year or two.

>>17038834
This but unironically. PhD and middle school gold stars have the same level of standing in industry.

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Bros, any tips for chemistry? I just started CHM 1. I'm not good at math and all of this new fangled shit being dumped on me is immense and I'm struggling to remain any of it.
To make matters worse, I've been out of school for over a decade now, so I just now am trying to get back into things.

>>17038802
>in Germany
There is your problem. 100,000 from the car industry are in the process of being fired, it may end at about 1 million job losses. So the job market is saturated and the remaining vacancies are imploding as the mittelstand is collapsing.
Try rather to get a job abroad.

Just applied to a PhD student position. What kind of tatoo should I get to celebrate?

>>17038907
everything they tell you is a lie
models are just to make concepts easier

>>17038921
Full matt damon style backpiece

I have gotten to 7 final round interviews and fucked every single one up in a different way. What the fuck is wrong with me? Why am I like this?

I need to find a new job so bad

>>17038990
if ur in a big city you should try being an extra. it really only applies to people in my vincinty. extra, like an actor that does nothing. you have to get certified, but it's a union job, pays minimium-wage as a part-time job, but your hours are shorter, and they pay you for more hours than you can work, since the union negotiated that.

how is the chemistry jobs situation? I have been unemployed now for 16 months. I don't see things improving either. Any tips? I have 7 years experience in a synthetic lab.

I applied to 200 PhDs and couldn't get a single one.
What kind of tattoo do I get to celebrate

>>17038911
Germans can't just move to Poland and make 20% of the wage

>>17039024
not helping the competition, sorry (not sorry)
doggy dog world

>>17039013
I don’t know how to do that
>>17038661
HR lady grilled me on why I was applying for X job with Y degree instead of Y job
The job was entry level with no demanded skills or any specific qualification aside from a bachelors
Didn’t get a call back
I did a BS+Masters program from the top college in my state and I leave both degrees off my resume so I can get a job in food service

What's up with Pakis and Indians sending e-mails about PhD positions to random people at unis?

>>17039117
Did you get the job in food service

cant find a job in tech

there's a hippie village in my country not far from the capital
I think I'm going to move there and open a witchcraft business with a shop and sell dried blue lotus and kyballion books

>>17039255
People are still enrolling into computer science these days

>>17039258
truly a modern greek tragedy

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>>17038921

Headhunter contacted me about a position. Seemed too senior for me but I hit most requirements in the initial job description so scheduled a call. It went okay, they send me a detailed job description that is much more intimidating.

However the pay is about twice what I get now.

Do I bother with going through the humiliation ritual or just say I'm not your guy.

>>17039099
I still cannot believe that the original post was real. Is this how women unironically think?

>>17039457
what

>>17039842
Some bitch on wheels rolled in here and started asking whether she should get inked up to celebrate getting her associates

>>17039117
I did consider leaving out my education but that would put a 4+ year employment gap on my resume.
It is also not possible to hide the gap by pretending to be younger since some employers ask to reveal date of birth.

I am honestly a husk of who I was merely 4 years ago

>>17039995
Same but 2 years ago

>>17040004
There's got to be a way of recovering. It can't be like this forever can it

Sure just tell me you'll get back to me today and then don't fucking do anything you miserable fucks. I swear I am being put through tribulations that no one else on earth has to endure.

Didn't get it. 7 months. 9 final interviews. No hope.

>Hope you are doing well

>>17040137
Hi
I hope you're great
We think it's time
you contemplate
How you can grow professionally
That's what she said to me

Here we go again

>>17040240
Set to the tune of Nobody's Son by Sabrina Carpenter in case you sweaty boys were uncertain of the provenance