Are they conscious?(not just dogs, but all animal)
>>17034388Define consciousness
>>17034388are you?
>>17034396In one phrase : being aware of one's condition.>>17034401Yes.
>>17034402define condition
>>17034402Then yes. Animals can tell when they are feeling bad or happy or sick and such quite obviously. Pretty sure that extends down to some of the smarter insects.
>>17034403The parameters of one's existence.>>17034407Fuck off. Feeling emotions is not the same as being conscious.
>>17034409According to this definition it is>>17034402If you disagree with the definition take it up with the man.
>>17034396The opposite of unconscious
>>17034388They are as conscious as people. So don't expect them to help you with your life, barking mad people.
>>17034402>In one phrase : being aware of one's condition.My thermostat is conscious?
>>17034434your thermostat is not aware of anything you asshole
>>17034436Define aware
>>17034388consciousness is on a spectrum
>>17034453nah fuck you tranny, its binary
>>17034388Ants? Probably not.Dogs? Almost certainly.
>>17034458kekyou sir are biased, let me guess you have a puppy that once looked at the time
>>17034407There is a major difference between: - feeling bad/good;- being able to tell you are feeling bad/good.The latter implies the ability to consider your own mind as an object and to distantiate. It also means you can potentially consider the state of the mind of other as objects. This is consciousness and as far as we know it limited to some mammals such as elephants, orcas, the great apes and humans.
>>17034456We have lower IQ humans who are not able to run simulations of the mind of others in their own minds. Clearly they have a lower state of consciousness compared to average and higher IQ humans but are still conscious so it's in terms of degree.
>>17034396The ethereal first person point of view that you and me have, the only thing we can prove exists while the rest of the universe could just be hallucination. The thing that cannot be tested for but we all know we have it, and if you say otherwise then I am sorry but you are a subhuman entity mimicking a human undeserving of respect and sympathy.
>>17034470>The latter implies the ability to consider your own mind as an object and to distantiate. It also means you can potentially consider the state of the mind of other as objects.That's metacognition. You're conscious all the time without having to use metacognition
>>17034388Most of them and is not binary, like in being or not being conscious, because it has degrees. Study advanced robotics and you will know.
>>17034388Consciousness is a fractal, and it's size and neurological complexity don't actually matter. Even a fly experiences feeling and is aware of it's surroundings.
>>17034388>consciousIsn't a useful philosophical line in the first place because it leaves a dictionary recursion for dumb shit like this >>17034434 or this >>17034453 >>17034456 >>17034471 to obliquely shuffle under the door again and again.
>>17034388Both my dogs understand full sentences, not just learned commands, both have robust personalities and a rich life just like any conscious being. Both my dogs are more intelligent and emotionally mature than most humans. Both my dogs have passed the mirror test the first time I tried it on them. Dogs are about the same level as a 3-7 year old human child in the realm of intelligence and understanding, depending on the breed and specific dog. My dogs actually take commands in two languages, English and [REDACTED]. Anyone who says otherwise is stupid and never meet a dog. Dogs even have many psychological disorders a human can get based on environment and historical trauma. >Yes, dogs have microtubules in their brains.>Microtubules are a fundamental part of the cell skeleton (cytoskeleton) in all mammalian neurons. Just like in humans, dog brain cells use microtubules to maintain their shape, support long branches like axons and dendrites, and transport vital materials from one part of the nerve cell to another.
>>17034618Another example of why consciousness isn't a useful contrast. Would you ever get so mad at some conscious, confrontational, but not actively violent behavior your dog expressed at you that you'd go into a "blind rage" and physically assault your dog?
>>17034618>Dogs even have many psychological disorders a human can get based on environment and historical trauma.get those things away from mealso let me guess, your dogs are your kids
>>17034388Yes, they just don't do as much thinking as we do.
>>17034396>Definedefine what you mean by 'Define'
>>17034618>Both my dogs are more intelligent and emotionally mature than most humanswhy does every pupperino redditor feel the need to say the same thing?
>>17034618Next time your dogs do something you didn't like, expel them from the house because they did it consciously. Also make them work and pay rent
Yeah they are conscious but they do things through feelings rather than using their brain most of the time. They can learn, but they are limited.They eat, fuck and fight. Which is what all animals do. Humans just developed their brains so we do things more advanced.Dogs love their owners and would die for them. And in return we feed them, breed them, clean them and pick up their shit. They are winning compared to us lmao. They outsmarted us.
>>17034388Create a particle in quantum superposition, create a system to measure it, have the dog look at the measurement but you don't look, if the wavefunction collapses anyway then yes, he is conscious and a good boy
>>17034388I can’t answer that. What I can assure you is that it is a very dumb creature.
>>17035464NTA but you can't even (legally) do that to a human you adopted.
Yes, and they are smarter than we give them credit for
>>17034388A lot of animals have the potential for higher levels of conscious it's just that in nature they use 100% of their brain power on survival and breeding. Animals like chickens and lizards start to show a individual personality when they live as pets.
>>17034388Yes. They are just as conscious as you and they are trapped in their dog body just as you are trapped in a human body.
>>17034388They are sentient and can feel pain. I don't care if they can or cannot recognize themselves in the mirror.
